Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[BlindBoo]

The two lies I am talking about today are that the old chemical warheads represent the WMD claims the Bush admistration made before the invasion, and that stablizing Iraqis oil production was ever part of the Bush's war rational presented to the people.

It's all in Sadaam's confession..........All he had to do was come clean. He himself chose to continue his charade. Chose to repeatedly kick the inspectors out. Repeatedly fire on our planes. Repeatedly rattle his sword.

And, it was chemical weapons that he used on his own people....So yes, there was every reason to believe he still had them, and would use them if necessary.

HUH?

Do you ever research anything?

What "inspectors"?

What chemicals against his own people?

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They always claim that Saddam kicked out the inspectors.

There They Go Again: The Washington Post's Iraq Tall Tale

Saddam did in fact use chemical weapons not only on the rebel Kurds but also against the Iranian troops during the war with Iran.

 

[Contumacious]

Actually the Weapons inpectors were pulled out by the UN more times than they were kicked out by Saddam. e.

Back in 1999, major papers ran front-page investigative stories revealing that the CIA had covertly used U.N. weapons inspectors to spy on Iraq for the U.S.'s own intelligence purposes. "United States officials said today that American spies had worked undercover on teams of United Nations arms inspectors," the New York Times reported (1/7/99). According to the Washington Post (3/2/99), the U.S. "infiltrated agents and espionage equipment for three years into United Nations arms control teams in Iraq to eavesdrop on the Iraqi military without the knowledge of the U.N. agency." Undercover U.S. agents "carried out an ambitious spying operation designed to penetrate Iraq's intelligence apparatus and track the movement of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, according to U.S. and U.N. sources," wrote the Boston Globe (1/6/99).

FAIR ACTION ALERT: Spying in Iraq: From Fact to Allegation

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[BlindBoo]

There's one man, and one man only responsible for the Iraq war......That's Sadaam himself. All he had to do was come clean. All he had to do was cooperate. He chose to continue to fake his WMD program. Chose to carry on his charade. Chose to continually rattle his sword, until Bush finally rammed it up his ass once and for all.

Sadaam Himself laid it all out.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - CBS News

Get over it lib's.....The world is a much safer place without Sadaam, or his even crazier sons in power......Deal with it, and STFU already.

It is quite a shame that "ramming it up Saddams Ass" Cost the lives of over 4000 US soldiers when he posed no significant threat to the worlds remaining superpower.

Quite lying about the reason we went and killed all those people and I'll STFU.

Quit lying about Bush lying us into war. That liberal mumbojumbo is so 2005.

Read the fucking article, and see for yourself who actually lied themself into war.

BTW I think it's more the Bush apologist who are doing most of the lying. President Bush had excellent writers and he could rarely be caught in an actual lied. He would use Saddam, al Queda, and mushroom clouds in the same sentence....and that would just fright-fuck the psuedo-conned!

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Chemical weapons attacks against Iran and the Kurds happen during the Raygun Administration.

???

What Raygun administration? I did a google search and no such POTUS was elected.

Oh, I get it, it's a childish attack - kind of like spelling "Barack Obama" as "Stupid ****."

 

[saveliberty]

I could have sworn Bush, with the tacit financial support of Congress, went over to Iraq and started a war.

 

[Contumacious]

Saddam did in fact use chemical weapons not only on the rebel Kurds but also against the Iranian troops during the war with Iran.

Bullshit

"Having looked at all of the evidence that was available to us, we find it impossible to confirm the State Department's claim that gas was used in this instance. To begin with there were never any victims produced. International relief organizations who examined the Kurds -- in Turkey where they had gone for asylum -- failed to discover any. Nor were there ever any found inside Iraq. The claim rests solely on testimony of the Kurds who had crossed the border into Turkey, where they were interviewed by staffers of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee."

STEPHEN C. PELLETIERE
US Army War College
CIA analyst

US Army War College: NO PROOF SADDAM GASSED THE KURDS!

 

[NoNukes]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

The war never should have happened in the first place, How about that? American soldiers dying for oil, How about that? Invading a country for no good reason?

 

[NoNukes]

The Chemical weapons attacks against Iran and the Kurds happen during the Raygun Administration.

???

What Raygun administration? I did a google search and no such POTUS was elected.

Oh, I get it, it's a childish attack - kind of like spelling "Barack Obama" as "Stupid ****."

Yes, except Liberals are clever, Conservatives are not.

 

[Wicked Jester]

The Chemical weapons attacks against Iran and the Kurds happen during the Raygun Administration.

???

What Raygun administration? I did a google search and no such POTUS was elected.

Oh, I get it, it's a childish attack - kind of like spelling "Barack Obama" as "Stupid ****."

Pretty much......Sadaam's own words get thrown in their face, and this is all they have.....The worn out "Raygun" BS, along with the usual liberal deflection and spin tactics.

 

[JRK]

Many thought that WMD and material where moved prior to the war

Kay's team established that the Iraqi regime had the production capacity and know-how to produce chemical and biological weaponry if international economic sanctions were lifted, a policy change which was actively being sought by a number of United Nations member states. Kay also believed some components of the former Iraqi regime's WMD program had been moved to Syria shortly before the 2003 invasion

The CIA’s chief weapons inspector said he cannot rule out the possibility that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were secretly shipped to Syria before the March 2003 invasion, citing “sufficiently credible” evidence that WMDs may have been moved there.

Inspector Charles Duelfer, who heads the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), made the findings in an addendum to his final report filed last year
CIA can't rule out WMD move to Syria - Washington Times
Saddam's WMDs Moved to Syria

It also should be that the the "old" and "antiquated" munitions that were found (over 500) were not old and antiquated in 1991 and that during the 90s when the UN sanctions were in place those WMDs were to be destroyed, no matter there condition (which was alot different in 1991 than they where when found)
DOD: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria « Sister Toldjah

 

[Wicked Jester]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

The war never should have happened in the first place, How about that? American soldiers dying for oil, How about that? Invading a country for no good reason?

Ya' mean like Lybia?

LMAO!

 

[JRK]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

The war never should have happened in the first place, How about that? American soldiers dying for oil, How about that? Invading a country for no good reason?

The will of the people has a different opinion then and must now
thats why you see no polls I would assume

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes, except Liberals are clever, Conservatives are not.

You ever hear the phrase, "Clever as a sheep?"

No? You know why? Because just like leftists, sheep are fucking stupid.

 

[Gadawg73]

My friends in the military all tell me of the horrors dealing with the Bush administration post war Iraq. Fuck up after fuck up.

 

[BlindBoo]

The Chemical weapons attacks against Iran and the Kurds happen during the Raygun Administration.

???

What Raygun administration? I did a google search and no such POTUS was elected.

Oh, I get it, it's a childish attack - kind of like spelling "Barack Obama" as "Stupid ****."

Nope. See, the term Ray-Gun has special meaning to a President who fostered the Star Wars Missile Defense whereas "Stupid ****" is nothing more than a plain Jane insult. Thanks for playing distract from the facts though.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Nope. See, the term Ray-Gun has special meaning to a President who fostered the Star Wars Missile Defense whereas "Stupid ****" is nothing more than a plain Jane insult.

Sorry, the term Stupid **** has a special meaning because Obama is really pretty fucking stupid, and he is a rather prissy little ****.

Also, "Ray-Gun" was a petulant and childish attack used by brainless lefties long before SDI was outlined, and before it caused your beloved USSR to fall.

No, my original statement stands, using "Raygun" instead of "Reagan" is equivalent to using "stupid ****" instead of Obama.

Both are pretty childish.

 

[BlindBoo]

Saddam did in fact use chemical weapons not only on the rebel Kurds but also against the Iranian troops during the war with Iran.

Bullshit

"Having looked at all of the evidence that was available to us, we find it impossible to confirm the State Department's claim that gas was used in this instance. To begin with there were never any victims produced. International relief organizations who examined the Kurds -- in Turkey where they had gone for asylum -- failed to discover any. Nor were there ever any found inside Iraq. The claim rests solely on testimony of the Kurds who had crossed the border into Turkey, where they were interviewed by staffers of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee."

STEPHEN C. PELLETIERE
US Army War College
CIA analyst

US Army War College: NO PROOF SADDAM GASSED THE KURDS!

Did your link say no victims?


When our "friend" Saddam was gassing the Kurds - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

The town of Halabja, with 60,000 inhabitants, lies on the southern fringe of Iraqi Kurdistan, a few miles from the border with Iran (1). On 15 March 1988 it fell to the Peshmerga resistance fighters of Jalal Talabani’s Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, supported by Iranian revolutionary guards.

The next morning Iraqi bombers appeared out of a clear blue sky. The people of Halabja were used to the successive attacks and counter-attacks of the Iraq-Iran war that had ravaged the region since September 1980. They thought they were in for the usual reprisal raid. Those who had time huddled in makeshift shelters. The rest were taken by surprise. Wave after wave of Iraqi Migs and Mirages dropped chemical bombs on the unsuspecting inhabitants. The town was engulfed in a sickly stench like rotten apples. The bombing stopped at nightfall and it began to rain hard. Iraqi troops had already destroyed the local power station, so the survivors began to search the mud with torches for the dead bodies of their loved ones.

The scene that greeted them in the morning defied description. The streets were strewn with corpses. People had been killed instantaneously by chemicals in the midst of the ordinary acts of everyday life. Babies still sucked their mothers’ breasts. Children held their parents’ hands, frozen to the spot like a still from a motion picture. In the space of a few hours 5,000 people had died. The 3,200 who no longer had families were buried in a mass grave.

Pictures of the massacre taken by Iranian war correspondents were relayed throughout the world. Journalists flew in and the international press gave the unprecedented event considerable coverage

 

[CryingKoala]

All things considered, we entered Iraq for all the wrong reasons. It really had nothing to do with WMD's.

Bush wanted an easy victory in the Middle East and to democratize a country there by force. By doing so, browbeat neighboring states into further democratization. Iraq was the best target. They pissed off any neighbors who would be willing to support them. The world already aligned against Saddam once. His military forces were crap. We were already in the area. NOBODY would miss Saddam's removal. Least of all the Iraqis.

By democratizing Iraq, we would draw in wannabe jihadis to the area to be met with military force. It would draw away potential attacks to Europe and the US. Iraq being easier for a Saudi, Syrian or Jordanian wannabe bomber to go to than the West. Draw them to Iraq, annhilate them and show the world how ruthless these Islamicists are to fellow Muslim civilians.

The problem was, it was done too much on the cheap. We believed far too much of our own propaganda bullshit as to what would be needed for occupation and we got lazy when it came time to providing the necessary level of commitment of forces.

That being said, Saddam had it coming. He deserved his fate. The country has toned down quite a bit since 2003-2004.

Iraqis are really taking to democracy a lot better than expected. The civil war everyone was expecting between the Kurds, Shia and Sunni has not materialized. If anything Al Queda's attempts to spark one has actually brought Iraqis closer together. They are actually looking at political solutions to the ethnic divisions. Something one does when they want to be democratic.

You can even say that the war helped spark the Arab Spring. Once it was seen that the West would be willing to support Arab democracies over longstanding cronies. You had an actual example of an Arab country with a democratic leadership, it undermined the sad myths that Arabs just weren't ready for democracy.

 

[BlindBoo]

Nope. See, the term Ray-Gun has special meaning to a President who fostered the Star Wars Missile Defense whereas "Stupid ****" is nothing more than a plain Jane insult.

Sorry, the term Stupid **** has a special meaning because Obama is really pretty fucking stupid, and he is a rather prissy little ****.

Also, "Ray-Gun" was a petulant and childish attack used by brainless lefties long before SDI was outlined, and before it caused your beloved USSR to fall.

No, my original statement stands, using "Raygun" instead of "Reagan" is equivalent to using "stupid ****" instead of Obama.

Both are pretty childish.

Nah, your's is still a bit of a generic insult. Thanks for playing distract from the facts though.

 

[konradv]

The Chemical weapons attacks against Iran and the Kurds happen during the Raygun Administration.

???

What Raygun administration? I did a google search and no such POTUS was elected.

Oh, I get it, it's a childish attack - kind of like spelling "Barack Obama" as "Stupid ****."

There's no such thing as the Democrat Party either, but there you go. I think your your equating "Raygun" and "Stupid ****" is either projection or hypocrisy. Take your pick.