Will The Democrats Finally Admit They Are a Socialist Party?

[NYcarbineer]

Credit unions and co-ops are actually part of the private market, so they aren't socialist. Socialism involves the use of government compulsion. without it, you don't have socialism.

WTF are you spouting. Unions, co-ops, HMO's are all socialist ideals.

Nope. They are purely voluntary. Socialism is based on force.

Are you forced to pay your taxes?

Of course you are. You aren't seriously going to contend otherwise, are you?

What kind of a country can you envision where all taxes were voluntary?

 

[bripat9643]

What does that have to do with the fact that socialism is based on force?

You seem to believe universal healthcare is comparable to the USSR's forced collectivization. Both socialism/capitalism are based on "force" if gone to far.

socialized medicine is the exact equivalent of the USSR's forced collectivization. Capitalism is based on the absence of force. Every expansion of socialism involved the use of force where it hadn't been used previously.

Oh dear lord, the fact that you actually believe this saddens me. Meh, europeans live longer and there healthcare is amazing, keep moaning.

White Americans live longer than Europeans. Our healthcare statistics are bogged down by all the illegal aliens from third world countries who have babies when they are 14 and blacks who weigh 50% more than the general population.

What you believe saddens me because you are so gullible.

Dear god, how can someone be so out of touch reality? "White americans live longer then europeans' What are you basing this assertion off of? Don't try to quote the CDC, since you believe it's a socialist propaganda mill.

 

[bripat9643]

Everyone under the jurisdiction of the socialist government is being forced.

Oh god, the evil, horrid things being done in finland.

What are you trying to prove? You certainly aren't proving that socialism doesn't rely on force.

Finland is very "socialist", and it's an amazing place.

It's not "amazing" because of socialism. Furthermore, it's only slightly more socialist that the U.S. The countries you call "socialist" are actually mostly capitalist. Whenever confronted with true socialism, your kind always claims it isn't socialism.

I know they are a mix of socialism and capitalism, pure socialism/capitalism are both horrible things, as shown by history. Slightly more? Yeah, tell me more about their healthcare, education, maternity leave, etc, etc..

Wrong. History shows that the closer a country gets to pure capitalism, the faster its economy grows and the better life gets for everyone.

 

[David_42]

You seem to believe universal healthcare is comparable to the USSR's forced collectivization. Both socialism/capitalism are based on "force" if gone to far.

socialized medicine is the exact equivalent of the USSR's forced collectivization. Capitalism is based on the absence of force. Every expansion of socialism involved the use of force where it hadn't been used previously.

Oh dear lord, the fact that you actually believe this saddens me. Meh, europeans live longer and there healthcare is amazing, keep moaning.

White Americans live longer than Europeans. Our healthcare statistics are bogged down by all the illegal aliens from third world countries who have babies when they are 14 and blacks who weigh 50% more than the general population.

What you believe saddens me because you are so gullible.

Dear god, how can someone be so out of touch reality? "White americans live longer then europeans' What are you basing this assertion off of? Don't try to quote the CDC, since you believe it's a socialist propaganda mill.

Cancer in 2008? Mean life expectancy n 1999?
What a joke.

 

[bripat9643]

Credit unions and co-ops are actually part of the private market, so they aren't socialist. Socialism involves the use of government compulsion. without it, you don't have socialism.

WTF are you spouting. Unions, co-ops, HMO's are all socialist ideals.

Nope. They are purely voluntary. Socialism is based on force.

Are you forced to pay your taxes?

Of course you are. You aren't seriously going to contend otherwise, are you?

What kind of a country can you envision where all taxes were voluntary?

The term "voluntary taxation" is an oxymoron.

What I support is called "the private law society." You can read about it here:

Mises Daily Mises Institute

 

[David_42]

Oh god, the evil, horrid things being done in finland.

What are you trying to prove? You certainly aren't proving that socialism doesn't rely on force.

Finland is very "socialist", and it's an amazing place.

It's not "amazing" because of socialism. Furthermore, it's only slightly more socialist that the U.S. The countries you call "socialist" are actually mostly capitalist. Whenever confronted with true socialism, your kind always claims it isn't socialism.

I know they are a mix of socialism and capitalism, pure socialism/capitalism are both horrible things, as shown by history. Slightly more? Yeah, tell me more about their healthcare, education, maternity leave, etc, etc..

Wrong. History shows that the closer a country gets to pure capitalism, the faster its economy grows and the better life gets for everyone.

Bullshit, tell me more about europe/america before regulations. Disasters that led to strikes, pollution, low wages, child labor, monopolies..

 

[bripat9643]

socialized medicine is the exact equivalent of the USSR's forced collectivization. Capitalism is based on the absence of force. Every expansion of socialism involved the use of force where it hadn't been used previously.

Oh dear lord, the fact that you actually believe this saddens me. Meh, europeans live longer and there healthcare is amazing, keep moaning.

White Americans live longer than Europeans. Our healthcare statistics are bogged down by all the illegal aliens from third world countries who have babies when they are 14 and blacks who weigh 50% more than the general population.

What you believe saddens me because you are so gullible.

Dear god, how can someone be so out of touch reality? "White americans live longer then europeans' What are you basing this assertion off of? Don't try to quote the CDC, since you believe it's a socialist propaganda mill.

Cancer in 2008? Mean life expectancy n 1999?
What a joke.

What do you imagine is the significance of 1999?

 

[David_42]

Oh dear lord, the fact that you actually believe this saddens me. Meh, europeans live longer and there healthcare is amazing, keep moaning.

White Americans live longer than Europeans. Our healthcare statistics are bogged down by all the illegal aliens from third world countries who have babies when they are 14 and blacks who weigh 50% more than the general population.

What you believe saddens me because you are so gullible.

Dear god, how can someone be so out of touch reality? "White americans live longer then europeans' What are you basing this assertion off of? Don't try to quote the CDC, since you believe it's a socialist propaganda mill.

Cancer in 2008? Mean life expectancy n 1999?
What a joke.

What do you imagine is the significance of 1999?

Very old data, and the life expectancy in the second one, where is it from? The source?

 

[ScienceRocks]

WTF are you spouting. Unions, co-ops, HMO's are all socialist ideals.

Nope. They are purely voluntary. Socialism is based on force.

Are you forced to pay your taxes?

Of course you are. You aren't seriously going to contend otherwise, are you?

What kind of a country can you envision where all taxes were voluntary?

The term "voluntary taxation" is an oxymoron.

What I support is called "the private law society." You can read about it here:

Mises Daily Mises Institute

People use our roads, police and enjoy the regulations that make our air clean, water clean and make sure we have food standards. Why the fuck shouldn't people pay taxes??? It is thief for them not too.

 

[bripat9643]

What are you trying to prove? You certainly aren't proving that socialism doesn't rely on force.

Finland is very "socialist", and it's an amazing place.

It's not "amazing" because of socialism. Furthermore, it's only slightly more socialist that the U.S. The countries you call "socialist" are actually mostly capitalist. Whenever confronted with true socialism, your kind always claims it isn't socialism.

I know they are a mix of socialism and capitalism, pure socialism/capitalism are both horrible things, as shown by history. Slightly more? Yeah, tell me more about their healthcare, education, maternity leave, etc, etc..

Wrong. History shows that the closer a country gets to pure capitalism, the faster its economy grows and the better life gets for everyone.

Bullshit, tell me more about europe/america before regulations. Disasters that led to strikes, pollution, low wages, child labor, monopolies..

Europe and America before regulations was a hell of a lot better than Europe and America before capitalism. Wages were low because capitalism hadn't been in place for very long. Countries don't become instantly wealthy the minute they adopt capitalism. Your attempt to push this idiocy only show that you're a dishonest scumbag.

 

[bripat9643]

White Americans live longer than Europeans. Our healthcare statistics are bogged down by all the illegal aliens from third world countries who have babies when they are 14 and blacks who weigh 50% more than the general population.

What you believe saddens me because you are so gullible.

Dear god, how can someone be so out of touch reality? "White americans live longer then europeans' What are you basing this assertion off of? Don't try to quote the CDC, since you believe it's a socialist propaganda mill.

Cancer in 2008? Mean life expectancy n 1999?
What a joke.

What do you imagine is the significance of 1999?

Very old data, and the life expectancy in the second one, where is it from? The source?

So we have to ignore any data that's older than 15-years-old?

Seriously?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Credit unions and co-ops are actually part of the private market, so they aren't socialist. Socialism involves the use of government compulsion. without it, you don't have socialism.

WTF are you spouting. Unions, co-ops, HMO's are all socialist ideals.

Nope. They are purely voluntary. Socialism is based on force.

Are you forced to pay your taxes?

Of course you are. You aren't seriously going to contend otherwise, are you?

What kind of a country can you envision where all taxes were voluntary?

As long as we all use the infrastructure, police, fire, food standards, air & water regulations and expect the military to protect us we MUST pay taxes. If not the we're bums.

 

[David_42]

Dear god, how can someone be so out of touch reality? "White americans live longer then europeans' What are you basing this assertion off of? Don't try to quote the CDC, since you believe it's a socialist propaganda mill.

Cancer in 2008? Mean life expectancy n 1999?
What a joke.

What do you imagine is the significance of 1999?

Very old data, and the life expectancy in the second one, where is it from? The source?

So we have to ignore any data that's older than 15-years-old?

Seriously?

They update this stuff often, it's telling that you cherry pick data to fit your racist scenario.

 

[David_42]

Finland is very "socialist", and it's an amazing place.

It's not "amazing" because of socialism. Furthermore, it's only slightly more socialist that the U.S. The countries you call "socialist" are actually mostly capitalist. Whenever confronted with true socialism, your kind always claims it isn't socialism.

I know they are a mix of socialism and capitalism, pure socialism/capitalism are both horrible things, as shown by history. Slightly more? Yeah, tell me more about their healthcare, education, maternity leave, etc, etc..

Wrong. History shows that the closer a country gets to pure capitalism, the faster its economy grows and the better life gets for everyone.

Bullshit, tell me more about europe/america before regulations. Disasters that led to strikes, pollution, low wages, child labor, monopolies..

Europe and America before regulations was a hell of a lot better than Europe and America before capitalism. Wages were low because capitalism hadn't been in place for very long. Countries don't become instantly wealthy the minute they adopt capitalism. Your attempt to push this idiocy only show that you're a dishonest scumbag.

Yes, capitalism usually is better then feudalism/primitive settlements. LOL. Wages stayed low until revolutions happened/labor organized/the state stepped in.

 

[bripat9643]

Cancer in 2008? Mean life expectancy n 1999?
What a joke.

What do you imagine is the significance of 1999?

Very old data, and the life expectancy in the second one, where is it from? The source?

So we have to ignore any data that's older than 15-years-old?

Seriously?

They update this stuff often, it's telling that you cherry pick data to fit your racist scenario.

I posted the data available. The fact that you claim data from 1999 isn't valid only shows what a lying weasel you are. The data is for a period of 20 years. That's hardly "cherry picking."

 

[David_42]

Cancer in 2008? Mean life expectancy n 1999?
What a joke.

What do you imagine is the significance of 1999?

Very old data, and the life expectancy in the second one, where is it from? The source?

So we have to ignore any data that's older than 15-years-old?

Seriously?

They update this stuff often, it's telling that you cherry pick data to fit your racist scenario.

I posted the data available. The fact that you think data from 1999 isn't valid only shows what a lying weasel you are.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[bripat9643]

It's not "amazing" because of socialism. Furthermore, it's only slightly more socialist that the U.S. The countries you call "socialist" are actually mostly capitalist. Whenever confronted with true socialism, your kind always claims it isn't socialism.

I know they are a mix of socialism and capitalism, pure socialism/capitalism are both horrible things, as shown by history. Slightly more? Yeah, tell me more about their healthcare, education, maternity leave, etc, etc..

Wrong. History shows that the closer a country gets to pure capitalism, the faster its economy grows and the better life gets for everyone.

Bullshit, tell me more about europe/america before regulations. Disasters that led to strikes, pollution, low wages, child labor, monopolies..

Europe and America before regulations was a hell of a lot better than Europe and America before capitalism. Wages were low because capitalism hadn't been in place for very long. Countries don't become instantly wealthy the minute they adopt capitalism. Your attempt to push this idiocy only show that you're a dishonest scumbag.

Yes, capitalism usually is better then feudalism/primitive settlements. LOL. Wages stayed low until revolutions happened/labor organized/the state stepped in.

Wrong. Wages were always higher in capitalist countries than in other countries. They grew steadily over time. Organized labor and state intervention retarded the growth of wages. Just consider the last 8 years.

 

[bripat9643]

What do you imagine is the significance of 1999?

Very old data, and the life expectancy in the second one, where is it from? The source?

So we have to ignore any data that's older than 15-years-old?

Seriously?

They update this stuff often, it's telling that you cherry pick data to fit your racist scenario.

I posted the data available. The fact that you think data from 1999 isn't valid only shows what a lying weasel you are.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Your figures don't subtract deaths from accidents and murders. Therefore, the don't measure the true effectiveness of each countries healthcare system.

 

[David_42]

I know they are a mix of socialism and capitalism, pure socialism/capitalism are both horrible things, as shown by history. Slightly more? Yeah, tell me more about their healthcare, education, maternity leave, etc, etc..

Wrong. History shows that the closer a country gets to pure capitalism, the faster its economy grows and the better life gets for everyone.

Bullshit, tell me more about europe/america before regulations. Disasters that led to strikes, pollution, low wages, child labor, monopolies..

Europe and America before regulations was a hell of a lot better than Europe and America before capitalism. Wages were low because capitalism hadn't been in place for very long. Countries don't become instantly wealthy the minute they adopt capitalism. Your attempt to push this idiocy only show that you're a dishonest scumbag.

Yes, capitalism usually is better then feudalism/primitive settlements. LOL. Wages stayed low until revolutions happened/labor organized/the state stepped in.

Wrong. Wages were always higher in capitalist countries than in other countries. They grew steadily over time. Organized labor and state intervention retarded the growth of wages. Just consider the last 8 years.

Every country was "capitalist" apart from the USSR/cuba/north korea.. Rampant income inequality continually grew until labor unions were formed, until the minimum wage. Trying to say these things retarded the growth of wages is idiotic. African countries, places without regulation but allowing capitalists to prosper.. They're literal hell holes. There's a reason people flee to america from haiti or cuba.. both are bad in their own ways. One follows pure socialism, the other unregulated capitalism, more haitians come here then cubans these days though.. The last 8 years? Oh, another genius who wants to blame obama for everything.

 

[David_42]

Very old data, and the life expectancy in the second one, where is it from? The source?

So we have to ignore any data that's older than 15-years-old?

Seriously?

They update this stuff often, it's telling that you cherry pick data to fit your racist scenario.

I posted the data available. The fact that you think data from 1999 isn't valid only shows what a lying weasel you are.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Your figures don't subtract deaths from accidents and murders. Therefore, the don't measure the true effectiveness of each countries healthcare system.

Oh, shall we go there?
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
LOL. Idiot.