Will The Democrats Finally Admit They Are a Socialist Party?

[Mac1958]

Replacing Social Security and Medicare with what, precisely?

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Depends on who's talking. There are a variety of suggestions out there, and you should be embarrassed that you don't know that.

I was asking you.

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

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[kaz]

Depends on who's talking. There are a variety of suggestions out there, and you should be embarrassed that you don't know that.

I was asking you.

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

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People should be responsible for their own retirements, it's not a legitimate job for government to provide it for them

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yes, it's all forced. You believe that if they aren't waving the guns right in your face they aren't forcing you? The Mafia doesn't wave guns in your face either when it comes around to collect its protection money

LOL. I suppose you're one of the people who believes europe is a hell hole.

What does that have to do with the fact that socialism is based on force?

You seem to believe universal healthcare is comparable to the USSR's forced collectivization. Both socialism/capitalism are based on "force" if gone to far.

socialized medicine is the exact equivalent of the USSR's forced collectivization. Capitalism is based on the absence of force. Every expansion of socialism involved the use of force where it hadn't been used previously.

Oh dear lord, the fact that you actually believe this saddens me. Meh, europeans live longer and there healthcare is amazing, keep moaning.

Can you prove that European longevity is directly caused by their healthcare system? Or are you just assuming that correlation equals causation?

Also, can you cite us some examples of "there" healthcare that would "amaze" us?

 

[Mac1958]

I was asking you.

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

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People should be responsible for their own retirements, it's not a legitimate job for government to provide it for them

Okay, so I guess your answer to my question would be "yes, drop Social Security and Medicare".

 

[kaz]

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

.

People should be responsible for their own retirements, it's not a legitimate job for government to provide it for them

Okay, so I guess your answer to my question would be "yes, drop Social Security and Medicare".

Yes. I thought that was clear, sorry

 

[Contumacious]

I get your drift.

but the Constitution authorizes the federal government to

"raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"


So it does not prevent them from using mercenaries . Specially since the Framers did not want standing armies. Hence appropriations for no more than two years.


Secondly

Article 1, Section 8 Authorizes congress to

declare War, "grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal", and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;


so there , if Congress issues Letters of Marque and reprisal and pays mercenaries the entire defense apparatus will consists of private individuals hired for a specific purpose.


Unfortutanely, we have evolved into a welfare/warfare state hence the military is used as an organization to provide welfare type of benefits.

IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE READING WHY NOT LEARN HOW

TO ENLARGE FONTS IN YOUR BROWSER INSTEAD OF

IRRITATING THE F()K OUT OF THE REST OF THE

WORLD?



ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE DEAF F()KS WHO REFUSES TO

WEAR HEARING AIDS?


AND WHAT IS UP WITH ALL THE SPACES?

ARE YOU USING A MACHINE FOR THE BLIND? THE DEAF?


WHAT IS UP?

SHUT THE FUCK UP - QUIT STONEWALLING AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES:


but the Constitution authorizes the federal government to

"raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"


So it does not prevent them from using mercenaries . Specially since the Framers did not want standing armies. Hence appropriations for no more than two years.


Secondly

Article 1, Section 8 Authorizes congress todeclare War, "grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal",and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
so there , if Congress issues Letters of Marque and reprisal and pays mercenaries the entire defense apparatus will consists of private individuals hired for a specific purpose.


Unfortutanely, we have evolved into a welfare/warfare state hence the military is used as an organization to provide welfare type of benefits.

 

[Contumacious]

Sanders is a moderate social democrat, many apply the label "democratic socialist" as he is in favor of worker co-ops, universal healthcare, and the like. He in no ways represents that democrats are a socialist party, it's idiocy to say so, and you know it is.

MOST AMERICANS WILL SWALLOW YOUR BULLSHIT BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID AND/OR NARCOTIZED


BUT I KNOW BETTER, SO , I WON'T

 

[oreo]

It's kind of hard to get offended by the label anymore when you've got thousands of enthusiastic Democrats lining up to hear Bernie Sanders' populist Scandinavian style welfare state plan for our nation. The man is, after all, the only self admitted Socialist elected to the U.S. Senate and he is edging closer and closer to toppling Hillary each day.

Maybe--they'll admit it once Bernie Sanders is the nominee--LOL

 

[bripat9643]

It's kind of hard to get offended by the label anymore when you've got thousands of enthusiastic Democrats lining up to hear Bernie Sanders' populist Scandinavian style welfare state plan for our nation. The man is, after all, the only self admitted Socialist elected to the U.S. Senate and he is edging closer and closer to toppling Hillary each day.

Maybe--they'll admit it once Bernie Sanders is the nominee--LOL

Nope, then they'll insist even more adamantly that he isn't a socialist.

 

[ScienceRocks]

It's kind of hard to get offended by the label anymore when you've got thousands of enthusiastic Democrats lining up to hear Bernie Sanders' populist Scandinavian style welfare state plan for our nation. The man is, after all, the only self admitted Socialist elected to the U.S. Senate and he is edging closer and closer to toppling Hillary each day.

Maybe--they'll admit it once Bernie Sanders is the nominee--LOL

Nope, then they'll insist even more adamantly that he isn't a socialist.

He believes in some socialist belief's...You do know that we're a social-democracy and we have socialist elements of our economy??? Regulating and banning things like child labor, minimum wage, safetynet, tax payer dollars for roads, police, public school, etc.

I don't know if you understand reality very well.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Sanders is a moderate social democrat, many apply the label "democratic socialist" as he is in favor of worker co-ops, universal healthcare, and the like. He in no ways represents that democrats are a socialist party, it's idiocy to say so, and you know it is.

MOST AMERICANS WILL SWALLOW YOUR BULLSHIT BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID AND/OR NARCOTIZED


BUT I KNOW BETTER, SO , I WON'T

Stupid for wanting paved roads, the right not to be mistreated in the work place and police??? wow...You have a very low value on civilization and the people within it. That isn't a winning tone to take.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I was asking you.

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

.

People should be responsible for their own retirements, it's not a legitimate job for government to provide it for them

Well, most people in this country will disagree with you and vote to maintain ssi. People are better off with such system!

 

[ScienceRocks]

Depends on who's talking. There are a variety of suggestions out there, and you should be embarrassed that you don't know that.

I was asking you.

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

.

Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

 

[bripat9643]

It's kind of hard to get offended by the label anymore when you've got thousands of enthusiastic Democrats lining up to hear Bernie Sanders' populist Scandinavian style welfare state plan for our nation. The man is, after all, the only self admitted Socialist elected to the U.S. Senate and he is edging closer and closer to toppling Hillary each day.

Maybe--they'll admit it once Bernie Sanders is the nominee--LOL

Nope, then they'll insist even more adamantly that he isn't a socialist.

He believes in some socialist belief's...You do know that we're a social-democracy and we have socialist elements of our economy??? Regulating and banning things like child labor, minimum wage, safetynet, tax payer dollars for roads, police, public school, etc.

I don't know if you understand reality very well.

I have said for years that the United States is little different from the countries that hardcore socialists like to call "social democracies."

What does the fact that we make the same stupid mistakes as them prove?

 

[bripat9643]

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

.

People should be responsible for their own retirements, it's not a legitimate job for government to provide it for them

Well, most people in this country will disagree with you and vote to maintain ssi. People are better off with such system!

No, they are most definitely worse off. When you calculate how much money you would have to spend if you kept that 13% of your income and invested it, you would understand how badly the government is fucking you up the ass.

 

[bripat9643]

I was asking you.

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

.

Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

So people starved to death before Social Security existed?

 

[kaz]

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

.

People should be responsible for their own retirements, it's not a legitimate job for government to provide it for them

Well, most people in this country will disagree with you and vote to maintain ssi. People are better off with such system!

Yes, I'm a libertarian because I want to be agreed with, that's very important to me...



I do agree with you though that there are a lot of people who like paying their bills with someone else's money, that is true. Very astute of you to observe that

 

[kaz]

I was asking you.

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

.

Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

Being insulted by plunderers somehow doesn't hurt...

 

[regent]

I get your drift.

but the Constitution authorizes the federal government to

"raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"


So it does not prevent them from using mercenaries . Specially since the Framers did not want standing armies. Hence appropriations for no more than two years.


Secondly

Article 1, Section 8 Authorizes congress to

declare War, "grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal", and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;


so there , if Congress issues Letters of Marque and reprisal and pays mercenaries the entire defense apparatus will consists of private individuals hired for a specific purpose.


Unfortutanely, we have evolved into a welfare/warfare state hence the military is used as an organization to provide welfare type of benefits.

IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE READING WHY NOT LEARN HOW

TO ENLARGE FONTS IN YOUR BROWSER INSTEAD OF

IRRITATING THE F()K OUT OF THE REST OF THE

WORLD?



ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE DEAF F()KS WHO REFUSES TO

WEAR HEARING AIDS?


AND WHAT IS UP WITH ALL THE SPACES?

ARE YOU USING A MACHINE FOR THE BLIND? THE DEAF?


WHAT IS UP?

SHUT THE FUCK UP - QUIT STONEWALLING AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES:


but the Constitution authorizes the federal government to

"raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"


So it does not prevent them from using mercenaries . Specially since the Framers did not want standing armies. Hence appropriations for no more than two years.


Secondly

Article 1, Section 8 Authorizes congress todeclare War, "grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal",and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
so there , if Congress issues Letters of Marque and reprisal and pays mercenaries the entire defense apparatus will consists of private individuals hired for a specific purpose.


Unfortutanely, we have evolved into a welfare/warfare state hence the military is used as an organization to provide welfare type of benefits.

Yeah, didn't George Washington start that pension nonsense by insisting his officers retire with half pay after the Revolution? I don't think the enlisted pukes got it only the officers.

 

[regent]

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

.

Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

So people starved to death before Social Security existed?

Personal responsibility?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

.

Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

So people starved to death before Social Security existed?

Poor people were the responsibility of the states. Then in the Great Depression the states could not provide so the federal government took over.