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Wind farms, a benefit for all.
- Thread starter Old Rocks
- Start date
China owns 50% of Canadian Tarsands production.
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate
For all you damned hypocritical "Conservatives" that only give a damn about birds when it is politically expedient, when are you going to address the real killers of birds?
View attachment 502106
Nukes kill zero princess.
Wrong again, as is usual with you.
Abstract
Environmentalists and environmental scientists have criticized wind energy in various forums for its negative impacts on wildlife, especially birds. This article highlights that nuclear power and fossil-fuelled power systems have a host of environmental and wildlife costs as well, particularly for birds. Therefore, as a low-emission, low-pollution energy source, the wider use of wind energy can save wildlife and birds as it displaces these more harmful sources of electricity. The paper provides two examples: one relates to a calculation of avian fatalities across wind electricity, fossil-fueled, and nuclear power systems in the entire United States. It estimates that wind farms are responsible for roughly 0.27 avian fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while nuclear power plants involve 0.6 fatalities per GWh and fossil-fueled power stations are responsible for about 9.4 fatalities per GWh. Within the uncertainties of the data used, the estimate means that wind farm-related avian fatalities equated to approximately 46,000 birds in the United States in 2009, but nuclear power plants killed about 460,000 and fossil-fueled power plants 24 million. A second example summarizes the wildlife benefits from a 580-MW wind farm at Altamont Pass in California, a facility that some have criticized for its impact on wildlife. The paper lastly highlights other social and environmental benefits to wind farms compared to other sources of electricity and energy.
Why did Obama exempt wind farms from killing birds?
Because they kill millions of birds every year.
You are in denial
Jimmy_Chitwood
Platinum Member
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Who needs birds:
How Many Birds Do Wind Turbines Really Kill?
The giant spinning turbines are basically bird death traps - and often they cut through prime flying space making the carnage even worsewww.smithsonianmag.com
How Many Birds Are Killed by Wind Turbines?
Opinions on the number of birds killed by wind turbines vary wildly. We at American Bird Conservancy (ABC) look at the facts to provide a current estimate.abcbirds.org
Again, for the simple minded, what are your plans for addressing the really bad killers of birds:
View attachment 502119
how many people does your ghey promiscuous lifestyle kill?
So that is all you have left? What a complete dumb fuck you are. Wind power is here to stay, and will a major part of our energy production.
answer the question
Old Rocks
Diamond Member
- Thread starter
- #64
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate
What a silly person you are;
View attachment 502107
Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020
Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.www.lazard.com
View attachment 502127
Yup. Reliable and still cheaper.
Nuclear, $29, does not include decommissioning costs. otherwise $129.
Coal, $41, does not include cost of transportation and storage
Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.
Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26
Most solar panels are guaranteed to put out 80% or more of their original rated wattage for twenty years. So a solar farm, worst case scenario, might only be putting out 80% of it original power at twenty years. However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period, so it will more than likely be used for another 20 or more years. On cost, wind and solar win hands down. Combined with grid scale storage, it is no contest. No reason to ever build another nuke or gas fired plant. And coal is already out the door.
Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020
Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.
Bootney Lee Farnsworth
Diamond Member
Nuclear is shit on by the green nazis for some reason, but they will never explain.
Nuclear is the best but we get no approval for new power plants.
Nuclear is the best but we get no approval for new power plants.
We were going to ship the resultant heavy crude across our nation for the benefit of China,
How does China benefit from our Texas refineries?
China owns 50% of Canadian Tarsands production.
Link?
Old Rocks
Diamond Member
- Thread starter
- #67
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Who needs birds:
How Many Birds Do Wind Turbines Really Kill?
The giant spinning turbines are basically bird death traps - and often they cut through prime flying space making the carnage even worse
How Many Birds Are Killed by Wind Turbines?
Opinions on the number of birds killed by wind turbines vary wildly. We at American Bird Conservancy (ABC) look at the facts to provide a current estimate.
Again, for the simple minded, what are your plans for addressing the really bad killers of birds:
View attachment 502119
how many people does your ghey promiscuous lifestyle kill?
So that is all you have left? What a complete dumb fuck you are. Wind power is here to stay, and will a major part of our energy production.
answer the question
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Jimmy_Chitwood
Platinum Member
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Who needs birds:
How Many Birds Do Wind Turbines Really Kill?
The giant spinning turbines are basically bird death traps - and often they cut through prime flying space making the carnage even worse
How Many Birds Are Killed by Wind Turbines?
Opinions on the number of birds killed by wind turbines vary wildly. We at American Bird Conservancy (ABC) look at the facts to provide a current estimate.
Again, for the simple minded, what are your plans for addressing the really bad killers of birds:
View attachment 502119
how many people does your ghey promiscuous lifestyle kill?
So that is all you have left? What a complete dumb fuck you are. Wind power is here to stay, and will a major part of our energy production.
answer the question
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Has you husband stopped donkey punching you?
And the dirty Sanchez treatment?
Old Rocks
Diamond Member
- Thread starter
- #69
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate
For all you damned hypocritical "Conservatives" that only give a damn about birds when it is politically expedient, when are you going to address the real killers of birds?
View attachment 502106
Nukes kill zero princess.
Wrong again, as is usual with you.
Abstract
Environmentalists and environmental scientists have criticized wind energy in various forums for its negative impacts on wildlife, especially birds. This article highlights that nuclear power and fossil-fuelled power systems have a host of environmental and wildlife costs as well, particularly for birds. Therefore, as a low-emission, low-pollution energy source, the wider use of wind energy can save wildlife and birds as it displaces these more harmful sources of electricity. The paper provides two examples: one relates to a calculation of avian fatalities across wind electricity, fossil-fueled, and nuclear power systems in the entire United States. It estimates that wind farms are responsible for roughly 0.27 avian fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while nuclear power plants involve 0.6 fatalities per GWh and fossil-fueled power stations are responsible for about 9.4 fatalities per GWh. Within the uncertainties of the data used, the estimate means that wind farm-related avian fatalities equated to approximately 46,000 birds in the United States in 2009, but nuclear power plants killed about 460,000 and fossil-fueled power plants 24 million. A second example summarizes the wildlife benefits from a 580-MW wind farm at Altamont Pass in California, a facility that some have criticized for its impact on wildlife. The paper lastly highlights other social and environmental benefits to wind farms compared to other sources of electricity and energy.
Why did Obama exempt wind farms from killing birds?
Because they kill millions of birds every year.
You are in denial
Once again, hypocrites like you care nothing at all for birds.
Bootney Lee Farnsworth
Diamond Member
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate
What a silly person you are;
View attachment 502107
Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020
Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.
View attachment 502127
Yup. Reliable and still cheaper.
Nuclear, $29, does not include decommissioning costs. otherwise $129.
Coal, $41, does not include cost of transportation and storage
Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.
Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26
Most solar panels are guaranteed to put out 80% or more of their original rated wattage for twenty years. So a solar farm, worst case scenario, might only be putting out 80% of it original power at twenty years. However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period, so it will more than likely be used for another 20 or more years. On cost, wind and solar win hands down. Combined with grid scale storage, it is no contest. No reason to ever build another nuke or gas fired plant. And coal is already out the door.
View attachment 502130
Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020
Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.
Wind and solar are unreliable have the fucking time.
No wind = no energy production
No sun = no energy production
Nuclear could theoretically never have downtime.
Jimmy_Chitwood
Platinum Member
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate
For all you damned hypocritical "Conservatives" that only give a damn about birds when it is politically expedient, when are you going to address the real killers of birds?
View attachment 502106
Nukes kill zero princess.
Wrong again, as is usual with you.
Abstract
Environmentalists and environmental scientists have criticized wind energy in various forums for its negative impacts on wildlife, especially birds. This article highlights that nuclear power and fossil-fuelled power systems have a host of environmental and wildlife costs as well, particularly for birds. Therefore, as a low-emission, low-pollution energy source, the wider use of wind energy can save wildlife and birds as it displaces these more harmful sources of electricity. The paper provides two examples: one relates to a calculation of avian fatalities across wind electricity, fossil-fueled, and nuclear power systems in the entire United States. It estimates that wind farms are responsible for roughly 0.27 avian fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while nuclear power plants involve 0.6 fatalities per GWh and fossil-fueled power stations are responsible for about 9.4 fatalities per GWh. Within the uncertainties of the data used, the estimate means that wind farm-related avian fatalities equated to approximately 46,000 birds in the United States in 2009, but nuclear power plants killed about 460,000 and fossil-fueled power plants 24 million. A second example summarizes the wildlife benefits from a 580-MW wind farm at Altamont Pass in California, a facility that some have criticized for its impact on wildlife. The paper lastly highlights other social and environmental benefits to wind farms compared to other sources of electricity and energy.
Why did Obama exempt wind farms from killing birds?
Because they kill millions of birds every year.
You are in denial
Once again, hypocrites like you care nothing at all for birds.
View attachment 502133
how do feral cats and windows make electricity in your world view cuppycakes?
progressive hunter
Diamond Member
- Dec 11, 2018
- 59,380
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the long term effect has yet to be determined,,,Everything that we do has some effect on the environment. After all, we still have the midden piles from our ancestors from thousands of years ago. But the turbines and solar have far less effect than mining coal, or drilling for oil. And that is not mentioning the environmental effects of using the products of the mining and drilling of those products.thanks for showing windmills are not the great thing some believe they are,,,how many?Is that why Eagles are lying dead under wind turbines?So do carsNot for birds as they kill birds on contactNot only that, but they cause Windmill CancerDuring my epic six week cross country trip in April and May, I lost count of how many wind farms I passed.
They are a scar on the face of this beautiful country...
OK kid
Eagles get hit by cars also
How many birds are killed in oil spills?
no matter what our energy needs are going to harm some animals,,
I wonder how long the landfills for the blades will be causing a problem??
We were going to ship the resultant heavy crude across our nation for the benefit of China,
How does China benefit from our Texas refineries?
China owns 50% of Canadian Tarsands production.
Link?
There are hundreds of links going back to 2010.
Is Canadian Oil Bound for China Via Pipeline to Texas?
In a global economy, sending more Canadian oil to Texas could be a modern silk route, a “Tar Sands Road” to China, economist says.
www.nationalgeographic.com
China faces buyer’s remorse in Canada’s oil patch
Recent high-profile troubles have brought the country’s record in Canada’s energy industry into sharp focus
www.theglobeandmail.com
The Chinese Government Just Seized Billions Worth of Canadian Real Estate - Better Dwelling
The Chinese government just seized control of one of China's largest real estate buyers, and now controls billions worth of Canadian real estate.
betterdwelling.com
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate
What a silly person you are;
View attachment 502107
Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020
Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.
View attachment 502127
Yup. Reliable and still cheaper.
Nuclear, $29, does not include decommissioning costs. otherwise $129.
Coal, $41, does not include cost of transportation and storage
Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.
Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26
Most solar panels are guaranteed to put out 80% or more of their original rated wattage for twenty years. So a solar farm, worst case scenario, might only be putting out 80% of it original power at twenty years. However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period, so it will more than likely be used for another 20 or more years. On cost, wind and solar win hands down. Combined with grid scale storage, it is no contest. No reason to ever build another nuke or gas fired plant. And coal is already out the door.
View attachment 502130
Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020
Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.
Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.
Subsidized? Tell me more.
Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26
I didn't see cost of decommissioning or cost of needed peaker plants in those numbers.
Or cost of "compressed air" energy storage.
However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period,
Really? Sounds very profitable. Any link to profitability?
Combined with grid scale storage
How much does that cost? Is that in your chart?
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate
What a silly person you are;
View attachment 502107
Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020
Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.
View attachment 502127
Yup. Reliable and still cheaper.
Nuclear, $29, does not include decommissioning costs. otherwise $129.
Coal, $41, does not include cost of transportation and storage
Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.
Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26
Most solar panels are guaranteed to put out 80% or more of their original rated wattage for twenty years. So a solar farm, worst case scenario, might only be putting out 80% of it original power at twenty years. However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period, so it will more than likely be used for another 20 or more years. On cost, wind and solar win hands down. Combined with grid scale storage, it is no contest. No reason to ever build another nuke or gas fired plant. And coal is already out the door.
View attachment 502130
Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020
Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.
LOL the batteries to store wind energy are more dangerous than oil and coal combined
Old Rocks
Diamond Member
- Thread starter
- #77
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate
For all you damned hypocritical "Conservatives" that only give a damn about birds when it is politically expedient, when are you going to address the real killers of birds?
View attachment 502106
Nukes kill zero princess.
Wrong again, as is usual with you.
Abstract
Environmentalists and environmental scientists have criticized wind energy in various forums for its negative impacts on wildlife, especially birds. This article highlights that nuclear power and fossil-fuelled power systems have a host of environmental and wildlife costs as well, particularly for birds. Therefore, as a low-emission, low-pollution energy source, the wider use of wind energy can save wildlife and birds as it displaces these more harmful sources of electricity. The paper provides two examples: one relates to a calculation of avian fatalities across wind electricity, fossil-fueled, and nuclear power systems in the entire United States. It estimates that wind farms are responsible for roughly 0.27 avian fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while nuclear power plants involve 0.6 fatalities per GWh and fossil-fueled power stations are responsible for about 9.4 fatalities per GWh. Within the uncertainties of the data used, the estimate means that wind farm-related avian fatalities equated to approximately 46,000 birds in the United States in 2009, but nuclear power plants killed about 460,000 and fossil-fueled power plants 24 million. A second example summarizes the wildlife benefits from a 580-MW wind farm at Altamont Pass in California, a facility that some have criticized for its impact on wildlife. The paper lastly highlights other social and environmental benefits to wind farms compared to other sources of electricity and energy.
Why did Obama exempt wind farms from killing birds?
Because they kill millions of birds every year.
You are in denial
Once again, hypocrites like you care nothing at all for birds.
View attachment 502133
how do feral cats and windows make electricity in your world view cuppycakes?
What a dumb fuck you continue to be. Mountain top mining for coal kills far more birds than windmills every will by habitat destruction. The oil ponds around drilling sites are filled with dead birds. There are ways of making windows visible to birds with destroying their function. Why are you not campaigning for that? Compared to the other bird killers, windmills hardly rank.
While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.
Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate
For all you damned hypocritical "Conservatives" that only give a damn about birds when it is politically expedient, when are you going to address the real killers of birds?
View attachment 502106
Nukes kill zero princess.
Wrong again, as is usual with you.
Abstract
Environmentalists and environmental scientists have criticized wind energy in various forums for its negative impacts on wildlife, especially birds. This article highlights that nuclear power and fossil-fuelled power systems have a host of environmental and wildlife costs as well, particularly for birds. Therefore, as a low-emission, low-pollution energy source, the wider use of wind energy can save wildlife and birds as it displaces these more harmful sources of electricity. The paper provides two examples: one relates to a calculation of avian fatalities across wind electricity, fossil-fueled, and nuclear power systems in the entire United States. It estimates that wind farms are responsible for roughly 0.27 avian fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while nuclear power plants involve 0.6 fatalities per GWh and fossil-fueled power stations are responsible for about 9.4 fatalities per GWh. Within the uncertainties of the data used, the estimate means that wind farm-related avian fatalities equated to approximately 46,000 birds in the United States in 2009, but nuclear power plants killed about 460,000 and fossil-fueled power plants 24 million. A second example summarizes the wildlife benefits from a 580-MW wind farm at Altamont Pass in California, a facility that some have criticized for its impact on wildlife. The paper lastly highlights other social and environmental benefits to wind farms compared to other sources of electricity and energy.
Why did Obama exempt wind farms from killing birds?
Because they kill millions of birds every year.
You are in denial
Once again, hypocrites like you care nothing at all for birds.
View attachment 502133
how do feral cats and windows make electricity in your world view cuppycakes?
What a dumb fuck you continue to be. Mountain top mining for coal kills far more birds than windmills every will by habitat destruction. The oil ponds around drilling sites are filled with dead birds. There are ways of making windows visible to birds with destroying their function. Why are you not campaigning for that? Compared to the other bird killers, windmills hardly rank.
And in your mind the piles of dead birds under windmills are justified.
Yawn
We were going to ship the resultant heavy crude across our nation for the benefit of China,
How does China benefit from our Texas refineries?
China owns 50% of Canadian Tarsands production.
Link?
There are hundreds of links going back to 2010.
Is Canadian Oil Bound for China Via Pipeline to Texas?
In a global economy, sending more Canadian oil to Texas could be a modern silk route, a “Tar Sands Road” to China, economist says.
China faces buyer’s remorse in Canada’s oil patch
Recent high-profile troubles have brought the country’s record in Canada’s energy industry into sharp focus
The Chinese Government Just Seized Billions Worth of Canadian Real Estate - Better Dwelling
The Chinese government just seized control of one of China's largest real estate buyers, and now controls billions worth of Canadian real estate.
There are hundreds of links going back to 2010.
Do any of them support your claim?
China owns 50% of Canadian Tarsands production.
We were going to ship the resultant heavy crude across our nation for the benefit of China,
How does China benefit from our Texas refineries?
China owns 50% of Canadian Tarsands production.
Link?
There are hundreds of links going back to 2010.
Is Canadian Oil Bound for China Via Pipeline to Texas?
In a global economy, sending more Canadian oil to Texas could be a modern silk route, a “Tar Sands Road” to China, economist says.
China faces buyer’s remorse in Canada’s oil patch
Recent high-profile troubles have brought the country’s record in Canada’s energy industry into sharp focus
The Chinese Government Just Seized Billions Worth of Canadian Real Estate - Better Dwelling
The Chinese government just seized control of one of China's largest real estate buyers, and now controls billions worth of Canadian real estate.
There are hundreds of links going back to 2010.
Do any of them support your claim?
China owns 50% of Canadian Tarsands production.
Americans owns a big chunk too.
Timeline: Chinese ownership in Canada’s oil patch
CNOOC’s takeover of Nexen, approved today, marks another step by China into Canada’s oil patch
www.theglobeandmail.com
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