With Factchecks Like These, How Does Truth Stand A Chance

[HikerGuy83]

Turley Nails It:

In today's soundbite world, where confirmational bias is almost the universal appeal.....it does not.

And the morons posing as moderators on Thursday's debate are clear examples of that.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4879842-false-claims-harris-trump-debate/

ABC News has been widely criticized for the bias of the two moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir. Even liberal outlets acknowledged that the two journalists seemed inclined to “fact check” only Trump. In the meantime, they allowed clearly false statements from Harris go unchallenged.

Three of the unchecked claims are being widely disseminated by supporters, including some in the media. Here are three legal “facts” that are being repeated despite being clearly untrue.

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I'll list the first
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“Crime is down under the Biden-Harris administration.“

One of the most notable slap downs by ABC followed Trump commenting that crime rates have drastically risen during the Biden-Harris administration. Muir immediately balked and declared: “As you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is coming down in this country.”

Harris and her allies have been repeating the claim by ABC. But the actual statistics show that Trump was right. The Justice Department’s released survey found that, under the Biden administration, there has been a significant increase in crime. Violent crime was up 37 percent from 2020 to 2023, rape is up 42 percent, robbery is up 63 percent and stranger violence is up 61 percent. Other reports had shown startling increases such as a doubling of carjackings in D.C. in 2023.

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Now, it depends on what you are talking about.

PEW indicates that looking murder rates...they rocketed in 2021 and 2022, but have dropped off in 2023. But they are still higher to previous year.

Murder rates had been dropping since the 1990's and there is a question as to how things are being reported.

But even PEW tells us that Murder Rates and other Violent Crime has been up.

We can discuss the others going forward.

And Turely is right. ABC is taking heat. Even some democrats are saying there should be an internal investigation.

Let's get one thing clear.

The job of a moderator is NOT to fact check. The is the opponents job.

The SUPER LAME excuse given by the female idiot poser moderator in no way justifies their influence on things.

 

[candycorn]

Turley Nails It:

In today's soundbite world, where confirmational bias is almost the universal appeal.....it does not.

And the morons posing as moderators on Thursday's debate are clear examples of that.

ABC News has been widely criticized for the bias of the two moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir. Even liberal outlets acknowledged that the two journalists seemed inclined to “fact check” only Trump. In the meantime, they allowed clearly false statements from Harris go unchallenged.

Three of the unchecked claims are being widely disseminated by supporters, including some in the media. Here are three legal “facts” that are being repeated despite being clearly untrue.

*********
I'll list the first
*********

“Crime is down under the Biden-Harris administration.“

One of the most notable slap downs by ABC followed Trump commenting that crime rates have drastically risen during the Biden-Harris administration. Muir immediately balked and declared: “As you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is coming down in this country.”

Harris and her allies have been repeating the claim by ABC. But the actual statistics show that Trump was right. The Justice Department’s released survey found that, under the Biden administration, there has been a significant increase in crime. Violent crime was up 37 percent from 2020 to 2023, rape is up 42 percent, robbery is up 63 percent and stranger violence is up 61 percent. Other reports had shown startling increases such as a doubling of carjackings in D.C. in 2023.

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Now, it depends on what you are talking about.

PEW indicates that looking murder rates...they rocketed in 2021 and 2022, but have dropped off in 2023. But they are still higher to previous year.

Murder rates had been dropping since the 1990's and there is a question as to how things are being reported.

But even PEW tells us that Murder Rates and other Violent Crime has been up.

We can discuss the others going forward.

And Turely is right. ABC is taking heat. Even some democrats are saying there should be an internal investigation.

Let's get one thing clear.

The job of a moderator is NOT to fact check. The is the opponents job.

The SUPER LAME excuse given by the female idiot poser moderator in no way justifies their influence on things.

The opinion of what the moderator’s job is from a right wing hack is funny. The blob got called out on his lies. Its about time.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The opinion of what the moderator’s job is from a right wing hack is funny. The blob got called out on his lies. Its about time.

Yes, doing Harris' job for her is what she needs.

Just like she needed her service animal present for a 19 minute softball interview.

And, of course, they called her lies out too.......

And I get that you can't read, but point of the article is that their fact checking was incorrect at some level. And Trump was right in what he said. Instead of clarrifying, they jumped him.

They were the hacks. You must be related to one or both of them.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Opinion: Crowley's Obama Favoritism Completely Discredits Her As A Journalist

There were so many blatant signs of Obama-favored bias displayed by CNN political correspondent Candy Crowley that one scarcely knows where to begin. She caused the difference between Romney's huge win in the first debate and his extremely narrow win in the second.

www.cbsnews.com

The Candy Crowley Debate

The Candy Crowley Debate What do we remember, if anything now, about the second presidential debate of 2012? Not whether Obama or Romney won. But only how CNN’s Candy Crowley blew up her career and embarrassed CNN—by outrageously hijacking the debate, and as a partisan,… — Victor Davis Hanson...

victorhanson.com

Crowley would leave CNN about 20 months later, with this cloud still hanging over her.

The two idiots, posing as moderators, from last Thursday will forever be branded as the biased hacks they were. They couldn't even fact check correctly.

 

[candycorn]

Yes, doing Harris' job for her is what she needs.

Again...if there is going to be a debate, you can’t just make up your own crazy facts. That is what the blob did. He lost the election. Nobody is eating cats. Crime is down. These are facts. You can’t say that your opponent has done a terrible job on crime if crime is down.

As you may have seen, I don’t especially like the debates. They’re ridiculous displays.

Someone called into Dan Abrams show the other day and suggested televised policy sessions where you essentially have the candidate by themselves facing a panel for 90 minutes... Pretty much a televised job interview. They didn’t flesh it out on the phone call but I absolutely love this idea. For no other reason than you get rid of the “I need to respond to______” which wastes time.

 

[MarathonMike]

Turley Nails It:

In today's soundbite world, where confirmational bias is almost the universal appeal.....it does not.

And the morons posing as moderators on Thursday's debate are clear examples of that.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4879842-false-claims-harris-trump-debate/

ABC News has been widely criticized for the bias of the two moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir. Even liberal outlets acknowledged that the two journalists seemed inclined to “fact check” only Trump. In the meantime, they allowed clearly false statements from Harris go unchallenged.

Three of the unchecked claims are being widely disseminated by supporters, including some in the media. Here are three legal “facts” that are being repeated despite being clearly untrue.

*********
I'll list the first
*********

“Crime is down under the Biden-Harris administration.“

One of the most notable slap downs by ABC followed Trump commenting that crime rates have drastically risen during the Biden-Harris administration. Muir immediately balked and declared: “As you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is coming down in this country.”

Harris and her allies have been repeating the claim by ABC. But the actual statistics show that Trump was right. The Justice Department’s released survey found that, under the Biden administration, there has been a significant increase in crime. Violent crime was up 37 percent from 2020 to 2023, rape is up 42 percent, robbery is up 63 percent and stranger violence is up 61 percent. Other reports had shown startling increases such as a doubling of carjackings in D.C. in 2023.

*******************

Now, it depends on what you are talking about.

PEW indicates that looking murder rates...they rocketed in 2021 and 2022, but have dropped off in 2023. But they are still higher to previous year.

Murder rates had been dropping since the 1990's and there is a question as to how things are being reported.

But even PEW tells us that Murder Rates and other Violent Crime has been up.

We can discuss the others going forward.

And Turely is right. ABC is taking heat. Even some democrats are saying there should be an internal investigation.

Let's get one thing clear.

The job of a moderator is NOT to fact check. The is the opponents job.

The SUPER LAME excuse given by the female idiot poser moderator in no way justifies their influence on things.

Both moderators were doing their best to block and tackle for Harris. Her Sorority Sister was just more obvious about it.

 

[DGS49]

Trump is often called a "liar" for repeating things that appear in the "news" that are unclear or not manifestly true. This was the case with the Haitians taking and eating household pets in Springfield, Ohio. There was a report of Haitians taking local wild geese - witnessed by several people - presumably to cook and eat them. The "fact-checkers" called the Town Manager of Springfield, and were assured that this never happened. Therefore, it was a Trump "lie."

Not discussed by Trump or anyone else at the time was the fact that the Biden Administration dumped twenty thousand illegal Haitians into the Springfield area (pop. approx. 60k), causing all the strife that that would be expected to cause.

Who is the liar here?

 

[Concerned American]

The two idiots, posing as moderators, from last Thursday will forever be branded as the biased hacks they were. They couldn't even fact check correctly.

I've said that about David Muir for years. He is clearly a political hack in the same vein as Chuck Todd and Connie Chung.

 

[Crepitus]

“Crime is down under the Biden-Harris administration.“

Nitpicking small areas where crime may be up is kinda dishonest.

Crime is indeed overall down.

I'm sure your other "points" are as dishonest.

 

[Crepitus]

Opinion: Crowley's Obama Favoritism Completely Discredits Her As A Journalist

There were so many blatant signs of Obama-favored bias displayed by CNN political correspondent Candy Crowley that one scarcely knows where to begin. She caused the difference between Romney's huge win in the first debate and his extremely narrow win in the second.

www.cbsnews.com

The Candy Crowley Debate

The Candy Crowley Debate What do we remember, if anything now, about the second presidential debate of 2012? Not whether Obama or Romney won. But only how CNN’s Candy Crowley blew up her career and embarrassed CNN—by outrageously hijacking the debate, and as a partisan,… — Victor Davis Hanson...

victorhanson.com

Crowley would leave CNN about 20 months later, with this cloud still hanging over her.

The two idiots, posing as moderators, from last Thursday will forever be branded as the biased hacks they were. They couldn't even fact check correctly.

Opinion: Crowley's Obama Favoritism Completely Discredits Her As A Journalist

There were so many blatant signs of Obama-favored bias displayed by CNN political correspondent Candy Crowley that one scarcely knows where to begin. She caused the difference between Romney's huge win in the first debate and his extremely narrow win in the second.

www.cbsnews.com

The Candy Crowley Debate

The Candy Crowley Debate What do we remember, if anything now, about the second presidential debate of 2012? Not whether Obama or Romney won. But only how CNN’s Candy Crowley blew up her career and embarrassed CNN—by outrageously hijacking the debate, and as a partisan,… — Victor Davis Hanson...

victorhanson.com

Crowley would leave CNN about 20 months later, with this cloud still hanging over her.

The two idiots, posing as moderators, from last Thursday will forever be branded as the biased hacks they were. They couldn't even fact check correctly.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Trump is often called a "liar" for repeating things that appear in the "news" that are unclear or not manifestly true. This was the case with the Haitians taking and eating household pets in Springfield, Ohio. There was a report of Haitians taking local wild geese - witnessed by several people - presumably to cook and eat them. The "fact-checkers" called the Town Manager of Springfield, and were assured that this never happened. Therefore, it was a Trump "lie."

Not discussed by Trump or anyone else at the time was the fact that the Biden Administration dumped twenty thousand illegal Haitians into the Springfield area (pop. approx. 60k), causing all the strife that that would be expected to cause.

Who is the liar here?

It would be nice if Trump would sometimes not say things that create this kind of controversy.

But I've always said that the debate goes on for some time afterwards.

And we see (way to late) that he was right.

What people also see is that ABC can't be trusted.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Second lie by Trump that turned out to be correct:

Some of the greatest mocking in the media concerned Trump’s statement that Harris has supported transgender conversion treatment for undocumented persons. New Yorker staff writer Susan Glasser immediately wrote “What the hell was he talking about? No one knows, which was, of course, exactly Harris’s point.”

On CNN, Wolf Blitzer declared how “outlandish” it was for Trump to make such a claim.

But it’s true.

In 2019, Harris told the ACLU that she not only supported such operations but actively worked for at least one such procedure to take place. When it was reported by Andrew Kaczynski on CNN, host Erin Burnett was gobsmacked by the notion of taxpayer-funded gender transition surgeries for detained migrants. “She actually supported that?” Burnett exclaimed.

Even the New York Times later admitted that the “wildest sounding attack line” from Trump was “basically true.”

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You've got the links right in the articles.

Trump 2

Moderators 0

 

[HikerGuy83]

NYT admits Harris supports funding migrant sex changes in fact-check ruling Trump's claim 'needs context'​

NYT admits Harris supports funding migrant sex changes in fact-check ruling Trump's claim 'needs context'

The New York Times quickly shifted away from its live debate fact-check, determining one of former President Trump's attacks against Vice President Kamala Harris was "basically true."

www.foxnews.com

 

[Blisterfinger]

The opinion of what the moderator’s job is from a right wing hack is funny. The blob got called out on his lies. Its about time.

Actually he wasn't lying, you are.

 

[BackAgain]

The opinion of what the moderator’s job is from a right wing hack is funny. The blob got called out on his lies. Its about time.

Your glaring and blinding hypocrisy is so apparent that nothing you post ever has any value or merit.

Kamalalala lied her ass off. But the hitch didn’t get fact checked AT ALL.

 

[candycorn]

Your glaring and blinding hypocrisy is so apparent that nothing you post ever has any value or merit.

Kamalalala lied her ass off. But the hitch didn’t get fact checked AT ALL.

Yet nobody can identify any of these supposed lies.

 

[candycorn]

Actually he wasn't lying, you are.

He lost the election.
Nobody is eating pets.
Crime is down.
His four years were awful in a lot of ways--and successful in a few others.

Those are the facts.

 

[candycorn]

Second lie by Trump that turned out to be correct:

Some of the greatest mocking in the media concerned Trump’s statement that Harris has supported transgender conversion treatment for undocumented persons. New Yorker staff writer Susan Glasser immediately wrote “What the hell was he talking about? No one knows, which was, of course, exactly Harris’s point.”

On CNN, Wolf Blitzer declared how “outlandish” it was for Trump to make such a claim.

But it’s true.

In 2019, Harris told the ACLU that she not only supported such operations but actively worked for at least one such procedure to take place. When it was reported by Andrew Kaczynski on CNN, host Erin Burnett was gobsmacked by the notion of taxpayer-funded gender transition surgeries for detained migrants. “She actually supported that?” Burnett exclaimed.

Even the New York Times later admitted that the “wildest sounding attack line” from Trump was “basically true.”

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You've got the links right in the articles.

Trump 2

Moderators 0

306 >232
Scoreboard.

RFK Jr. even said that Harris won the debate.

 

[BackAgain]

Yet nobody can identify any of these supposed lies.

Bullshit. There was a thread already posted dedicated to addressing about 20 of them, you moron liar.

But I’ll help your tiny brain out: your sow lied by claiming that Trump had anything to do with Project 2025. She lied when she invoked the deliberately bogus spin on what he said about “fine people on both sides.” She lied when she claimed that he would sign a national abortion ban bill. In reality, he has made it clear that (ala the Dobbs decision) abortion is a state not a federal issue.

Stop lying all the time. Your one note symphony of dishonesty gets very old and stale, candyass.

 

[HikerGuy83]

MSN

Although Muir and Davis are lesser lights at ABC-Disney, their debate activism demonstrates the disingenuous methods of turning “news” into entertainment. It’s both a cynical and dishonest practice that, in this hyper-information era, feeds general naïveté about the political workings of the entertainment industry. Independent journalist Matt Taibbi recently noted, “Reporters no longer see themselves as a check on power. They see themselves as a part of it.” So Muir-Davis “fact-checked” Trump and repeatedly gave passes to Harris.