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Then mandatory prison. You said "choose sterilization or prison".So just to be clear: read my fucking posts. No, I think it should be tried as murder.
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Then mandatory prison. You said "choose sterilization or prison".So just to be clear: read my fucking posts. No, I think it should be tried as murder.
Really? So if a woman shoots up heroin causing her full term baby to be still born. She should face no charges of child abuse?
No. She should just be sterilized.
We agree, heroin addicts like prostitutes have no business having children, heroin addicts and prostitutes should be sterilised. There are many people who shouldn't be allowed to have children, period.
I don't have a problem with prostitutes having children. I agree there are many who shouldn't - but who has the right to decide for them? That's the difficulty.
But if someone deliberately murders his or her children or abuses them....then perhaps an acceptable alternative is to allow that person to choose between prison and sterilization.
When it's prior to birth however - it's another issue. Not so very clear.
"But if someone deliberately murders his or her children or abuses them....then perhaps an acceptable alternative is to allow that person to choose between prison and sterilization."
They get no choice, they have forfeited all rights to either civil rights or human rights.
If someone deliberately murders a child and/or children they should be executed, in an ideal society with it's priorities right, to save taxpayers money, they'd just be taken out and shot in the back of the head, the same sentence for anyone who sexually abuses a child and/or children.
Anyone who is guilty of emotional abuse of a child and/or children, they get no choice, they also have forfeited all rights to either civil rights or human rights, they would be automatically sterilised and given a 30 year prison sentence without parole.
Where children are concerned we should have a Zero Tolerance approach.
You're much stricter than I am. Anyone who murders a child is guilty of murder and whatever penalties that incurs would apply. "Abuse" falls into a grey area that is harder to define and covers a broad spectrum of acts against a child. Sometimes - abuse/neglect can be handled by helping the parents cope or become better parents, for example.
I can not agree to mandatory sterilization (because, it's been abused in the past) but it would be nice to see some sort of sterilization option for certain crimes.
The idea of criminally prosecuting a woman for what happens to her unborn fetus should be really disturbing to most woman. It opens up a pandora's box of retributional legislation against a pregnant woman.
Then mandatory prison. You said "choose sterilization or prison".So just to be clear: read my fucking posts. No, I think it should be tried as murder.
Then mandatory prison. You said "choose sterilization or prison".So just to be clear: read my fucking posts. No, I think it should be tried as murder.
I was throwing out ideas.
You can argue for reduced prison time if they submit to sterilization. I don't think you can force sterilization on top of full prison term.
Then mandatory prison. You said "choose sterilization or prison".So just to be clear: read my fucking posts. No, I think it should be tried as murder.
I was throwing out ideas.
You can argue for reduced prison time if they submit to sterilization. I don't think you can force sterilization on top of full prison term.
"I don't think you can force sterilization on top of full prison term."
If you have a full prison term, life meaning life and it in Solitary Confinement, then there would be no need for a mandatory sterilisation, because nobody would be able to become pregnant in such circumstances.
Then mandatory prison. You said "choose sterilization or prison".So just to be clear: read my fucking posts. No, I think it should be tried as murder.
I was throwing out ideas.
You can argue for reduced prison time if they submit to sterilization. I don't think you can force sterilization on top of full prison term.
"I don't think you can force sterilization on top of full prison term."
If you have a full prison term, life meaning life and it in Solitary Confinement, then there would be no need for a mandatory sterilisation, because nobody would be able to become pregnant in such circumstances.
True, but I oppose all solitary confinement. I just think sterilizing those people on top of some sort of prison sentance would be a good punishment and prevent future crimes.
Then mandatory prison. You said "choose sterilization or prison".So just to be clear: read my fucking posts. No, I think it should be tried as murder.
But sterilizing someone for murder is watering down the penalty for murder. That's not a good precedent to set. Surely you can see that? Should we let serial killers go if they promise to have themselves sterilized?I was throwing out ideas.
You can argue for reduced prison time if they submit to sterilization. I don't think you can force sterilization on top of full prison term.
Then mandatory prison. You said "choose sterilization or prison".So just to be clear: read my fucking posts. No, I think it should be tried as murder.
But sterilizing someone for murder is watering down the penalty for murder. That's not a good precedent to set. Surely you can see that? Should we let serial killers go if they promise to have themselves sterilized?I was throwing out ideas.
You can argue for reduced prison time if they submit to sterilization. I don't think you can force sterilization on top of full prison term.
Wow. I guess I should of known that the right would become unhinged and unrealistic on the subject...
So let me know when that sterilization program for a pregnant woman falling on her face happens, or you know when you sterilize a woman for drinking while pregnant. I mean clearly these folks need to be wiped off the face of the planet for their stupidity [/scarc]
Give me a break.
So when I was 8 months pregnant with my second child, I did a stupid thing, climbed up on a ladder to put the angel on my Christmas tree and fell off. I'd gained 85# with my second kid (apparently making up for the first pregnancy where I gained only 30) and I was completely not used to it. Just to give you an idea about the situation Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet I was absolutely out of sorts and lost my balance, ended up in the ER.
By ya'lls argument had my child been injured or died because of my bad judgement there I'd be sterilized for it and serve jail time for murder.
You are off your god damn rockers...
6 days, 6, months or 6 years, it's not relevant. The court of appeals did not consider the fetus a person and since there was no intent at time of accident, the mother was not guilty of the later death of child. If the law had recognized the fetus was a person, then the court of appeals would not have overturned the lower court.The court ruled that the legislature did not intend to hold pregnant women criminally responsible for conduct with respect to themselves and their unborn fetuses unless such conduct is done intentionally. The court did not consider the question of whether the 6 day old was a person or not. That's an anti-abortionist interpretation.
WHAT???? THE????? FUCK?????!!!!
Why stop at 6 days? Why not extend the "you can kill a child" leeway up to 2 years? More?