Women should dress modestly or expect to 'entice a rapist...'

[Ame®icano]

I've dealt with predators all my life. Trust me. You can be wearing a full body camo suit and attract their attention in the woods. They are attracted to behavior not what you are wearing.

I didnt see a rape. Was it edited out?

No rape there. You mentioned attraction to behavior so I posted that.

 

[Skylar]

Hoiw is that weird? Remember, 1 in 5 rape victims are between the ages of 18 and 21. While women over the age of 50 over the age of 50 make up less than 3% of rape victims.

Its ludicrous to conclude the sexual attraction plays no role in rape. It defines reason. And requires elaborate, baseless narratives to explain away overwhelming evidence that supports the idea of a sexual component in rape.

Remember your 'out and about' excuse for why the average rape victim's age is the lowest of any major violent crime? Occam's Razor is a useful tool here.

Again I didnt say it played no role. However, sex is just a tool to achieve power and control. The aim is not to have sex. Its to exercise power. Pretending its about sex is like saying people eat ice cream so they can get ice cream stains on their shirts. Can a person get some stains? Yes. However, thats not why they eat the ice cream.

If it plays a role, then your entire 'defies reason' argument just left a brown streak on the bowl as it went down the toilet. As even with sexual attraction being a secondary motivation provocative clothing would be far more likely to attract a rapist's attention.

And yet you've gone to absurd lengths creating baseless 'alternate explanations' for why rape skews toward younger women to an almost ludicrous degree.....just to avoid this obvious conclusion.

If a cow had nuts it would be a bull. Some people get aroused by power. Thats why people fully clothed get raped. Has nothing to do with attracting a rapists eye because of clothing. If you look like easy prey then that will attract a rapist. if your conclusion made sense then only prostitutes and skanks would get raped.

And some people are aroused by power.....and brunettes. Again, why must any rapist be this caracature that is motivated by ONLY one factor and can never have any other competing interest?

There's nothing mutually exclusive about this. A man can get off on power.....and be into 23 year olds. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It doesn't have to be only those two. It can be a myriad of reasons.

It defies reason to conclude that in defiance of ANY other human experience which is a mishmashh of multiple purposes, conflicting and competing interests........that rape is pristinely pure, singular event in which nothing intrudes nor ever could intrude, and only one note can ever be hit, regardless of person, place or circumstances.

That's ridiculous. People aren't that simple. And you don't make women safer by pretending rapists are cardboard cartoon caricatures.

Its pretty simple and yes people are that simple when it comes to certain things.

Your caricature is certainly simple. But it isn't necessarily accurate. There's absolutely nothing that mandates mutual exclusivity. A person can be into power....and C cups. Or power......and mini skirts. There's is nothing that mandates it be ONLY one factor. Or mandates that sexual attraction be scrubbed from every rapist.

And even as a secondary motivation, sexual attraction would make it more likely that a rapist notice a woman dressed provocatively. And yet you've gone to elaborate lengths to avoid this simple conclusion. Imagining a complex series of assumptions that have nothing to do with sexual attaction to explain why 1 in 5 rapes occur to women between 18 and 21.

Occam's Razor: sexual attraction plays a role. That's why most rape victims are younger.

 

[aris2chat]

Its weird how people think clothing has anything to do with rape.

Hoiw is that weird? Remember, 1 in 5 rape victims are between the ages of 18 and 21. While women over the age of 50 over the age of 50 make up less than 3% of rape victims.

Its ludicrous to conclude the sexual attraction plays no role in rape. It defines reason. And requires elaborate, baseless narratives to explain away overwhelming evidence that supports the idea of a sexual component in rape.

Remember your 'out and about' excuse for why the average rape victim's age is the lowest of any major violent crime? Occam's Razor is a useful tool here.

Just men that were poorly taught. Hateful, mean, ugly evil men that can't think and act like normal men and wait to be invited to touch. Sick men that care nothing about women and thrive on abuse and hurting other.

Men that don't know how to look at something beautiful without destroying it.

Old, young, big, small it is not about the women but the abuse that drives a man to rape.

Rape is not about sex. It is not about the woman.

So one motivation, one personality, one purpose, regardless of the situation, the context, or who is involved, always?

And there can never be anything more to it? It has to be a perfect, pristine and singular motivation in every situation? And there can be none other?

The man.

That is all of it. Just the man and his inability to control his rage.

Everything else is excuse and attempt to rationalize.

It is the man, the rapists.

In every situation? College kids experimenting with sex and she's not ready........means that he's 'filled with rage'? Some folks get drunk and have sex when she's way too wasted to offer consent........rage? Every situation, every context, every circumstance, always, without exception?

Really?

No or no consent is

NO

 

[IronFist]

Males nowadays lost all their privileges. Everyone can be accused of rape even if he didn't commit it. Males can be sued for almost everything. Every sexual action is considered as a sexual harassment. And now half-naked women walking around the streets...

 

[Ame®icano]

No or no consent is

NO

Agree.

Now, realizing that fucking some random guy at the party last night was a mistake is not a rape.

 

[Asclepias]

Again I didnt say it played no role. However, sex is just a tool to achieve power and control. The aim is not to have sex. Its to exercise power. Pretending its about sex is like saying people eat ice cream so they can get ice cream stains on their shirts. Can a person get some stains? Yes. However, thats not why they eat the ice cream.

If it plays a role, then your entire 'defies reason' argument just left a brown streak on the bowl as it went down the toilet. As even with sexual attraction being a secondary motivation provocative clothing would be far more likely to attract a rapist's attention.

And yet you've gone to absurd lengths creating baseless 'alternate explanations' for why rape skews toward younger women to an almost ludicrous degree.....just to avoid this obvious conclusion.

If a cow had nuts it would be a bull. Some people get aroused by power. Thats why people fully clothed get raped. Has nothing to do with attracting a rapists eye because of clothing. If you look like easy prey then that will attract a rapist. if your conclusion made sense then only prostitutes and skanks would get raped.

And some people are aroused by power.....and brunettes. Again, why must any rapist be this caracature that is motivated by ONLY one factor and can never have any other competing interest?

There's nothing mutually exclusive about this. A man can get off on power.....and be into 23 year olds. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It doesn't have to be only those two. It can be a myriad of reasons.

It defies reason to conclude that in defiance of ANY other human experience which is a mishmashh of multiple purposes, conflicting and competing interests........that rape is pristinely pure, singular event in which nothing intrudes nor ever could intrude, and only one note can ever be hit, regardless of person, place or circumstances.

That's ridiculous. People aren't that simple. And you don't make women safer by pretending rapists are cardboard cartoon caricatures.

Its pretty simple and yes people are that simple when it comes to certain things.

Your caricature is certainly simple. But it isn't necessarily accurate. There's absolutely nothing that mandates mutual exclusivity. A person can be into power....and C cups. Or power......and mini skirts. There's is nothing that mandates it be ONLY one factor. Or mandates that sexual attraction be scrubbed from every rapist.

And even as a secondary motivation, sexual attraction would make it more likely that a rapist notice a woman dressed provocatively. And yet you've gone to elaborate lengths to avoid this simple conclusion. Imagining a complex series of assumptions that have nothing to do with sexual attaction to explain why 1 in 5 rapes occur to women between 18 and 21.

Occam's Razor: sexual attraction plays a role. That's why most rape victims are younger.

You say its not that simple then you say Occams Razor? Dont contradict yourself that easily. Sex being a secondary motivator would not make them spot a scantily dressed woman as a woman can be sexy and covered head to toe. Since a sexual motivation can only be secondary the logic would follow that the rapists sees someone that he can over power first. That has nothing to do with clothing. He doesnt stop because the woman is wearing a burka.

 

[Skylar]

Hoiw is that weird? Remember, 1 in 5 rape victims are between the ages of 18 and 21. While women over the age of 50 over the age of 50 make up less than 3% of rape victims.

Its ludicrous to conclude the sexual attraction plays no role in rape. It defines reason. And requires elaborate, baseless narratives to explain away overwhelming evidence that supports the idea of a sexual component in rape.

Remember your 'out and about' excuse for why the average rape victim's age is the lowest of any major violent crime? Occam's Razor is a useful tool here.

Just men that were poorly taught. Hateful, mean, ugly evil men that can't think and act like normal men and wait to be invited to touch. Sick men that care nothing about women and thrive on abuse and hurting other.

Men that don't know how to look at something beautiful without destroying it.

Old, young, big, small it is not about the women but the abuse that drives a man to rape.

Rape is not about sex. It is not about the woman.

So one motivation, one personality, one purpose, regardless of the situation, the context, or who is involved, always?

And there can never be anything more to it? It has to be a perfect, pristine and singular motivation in every situation? And there can be none other?

The man.

That is all of it. Just the man and his inability to control his rage.

Everything else is excuse and attempt to rationalize.

It is the man, the rapists.

In every situation? College kids experimenting with sex and she's not ready........means that he's 'filled with rage'? Some folks get drunk and have sex when she's way too wasted to offer consent........rage? Every situation, every context, every circumstance, always, without exception?

Really?

You are mixing up legal definitions of rape and what we all know is really rape. Two people getting drunk and having sex is not rape. Tw kids having sex and the girl says stop. Yeah thats rape and yes its about power the moment he continues after she said stop.

It has to ONLY be about power for your one note narrative to work.And I call bullshit. It can also be about wanting sexual urges fulfilled. There's nothing that mandates one motivation and only one motivation. There's nothing that requires these obtuse stereotypes and bumpersticker slogans define reality.

It can be about power....and a myriad of other rearsons. And among them, sexual attraction plays a role. Its not a grand cosmic coincidence that young women make up the overwhelming majority of rape victims. With 18 to 21 year olds making up 21% all by themselves, in just those 3 years.

Its certainly simpler to imagine that sexual attraction doesn't play any role. Assuming a lone motivation makes it easier to classify the situation. But obtuse and simple stereotypes are rarely useful. And they certainly don't make anyone safer by clinging to them.

 

[Asclepias]

Just men that were poorly taught. Hateful, mean, ugly evil men that can't think and act like normal men and wait to be invited to touch. Sick men that care nothing about women and thrive on abuse and hurting other.

Men that don't know how to look at something beautiful without destroying it.

Old, young, big, small it is not about the women but the abuse that drives a man to rape.

Rape is not about sex. It is not about the woman.

So one motivation, one personality, one purpose, regardless of the situation, the context, or who is involved, always?

And there can never be anything more to it? It has to be a perfect, pristine and singular motivation in every situation? And there can be none other?

The man.

That is all of it. Just the man and his inability to control his rage.

Everything else is excuse and attempt to rationalize.

It is the man, the rapists.

In every situation? College kids experimenting with sex and she's not ready........means that he's 'filled with rage'? Some folks get drunk and have sex when she's way too wasted to offer consent........rage? Every situation, every context, every circumstance, always, without exception?

Really?

You are mixing up legal definitions of rape and what we all know is really rape. Two people getting drunk and having sex is not rape. Tw kids having sex and the girl says stop. Yeah thats rape and yes its about power the moment he continues after she said stop.

It has to ONLY be about power for your one note narrative to work.And I call bullshit. It can also be about wanting sexual urges fulfilled. There's nothing that mandates one motivation and only one motivation. There's nothing that requires these obtuse stereotypes and bumpersticker slogans define reality.

It can be about power....and a myriad of other rearsons. And among them, sexual attraction plays a role. Its not a grand cosmic coincidence that young women make up the overwhelming majority of rape victims. With 18 to 21 year olds making up 21% all by themselves, in just those 3 years.

Its certainly simpler to imagine that sexual attraction doesn't play any role. Assuming a lone motivation makes it easier to classify the situation. But obtuse and simple stereotypes are rarely useful. And they certainly don't make anyone safer by clinging to them.

Sorry but you dont determine what it only has to be about. I said and stand by my assertion that rape is about power. It is the motivation for rape. Not clothes. Not perfume. Not what the rapist had for dinner last night. Its power.

 

[aris2chat]

Its weird how people think clothing has anything to do with rape.

Hoiw is that weird? Remember, 1 in 5 rape victims are between the ages of 18 and 21. While women over the age of 50 over the age of 50 make up less than 3% of rape victims.

Its ludicrous to conclude the sexual attraction plays no role in rape. It defines reason. And requires elaborate, baseless narratives to explain away overwhelming evidence that supports the idea of a sexual component in rape.

Remember your 'out and about' excuse for why the average rape victim's age is the lowest of any major violent crime? Occam's Razor is a useful tool here.

Just men that were poorly taught. Hateful, mean, ugly evil men that can't think and act like normal men and wait to be invited to touch. Sick men that care nothing about women and thrive on abuse and hurting other.

Men that don't know how to look at something beautiful without destroying it.

Old, young, big, small it is not about the women but the abuse that drives a man to rape.

Rape is not about sex. It is not about the woman.

So one motivation, one personality, one purpose, regardless of the situation, the context, or who is involved, always?

And there can never be anything more to it? It has to be a perfect, pristine and singular motivation in every situation? And there can be none other?

The man.

That is all of it. Just the man and his inability to control his rage.

Everything else is excuse and attempt to rationalize.

It is the man, the rapists.

In every situation? College kids experimenting with sex and she's not ready........means that he's 'filled with rage'? Some folks get drunk and have sex when she's way too wasted to offer consent........rage? Every situation, every context, every circumstance, always, without exception?

Really?

abuse power rage...............

If not consensual by a competent person able to make the decision

It is a man that is take advantage or abusing a woman, child, man person............

NO

No man has a right or excuse to rape another human or animal.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Males nowadays lost all their privileges. Everyone can be accused of rape even if he didn't commit it. Males can be sued for almost everything. Every sexual action is considered as a sexual harassment. And now half-naked women walking around the streets...

I'm keeping an eye on you......

 

[Skylar]

If it plays a role, then your entire 'defies reason' argument just left a brown streak on the bowl as it went down the toilet. As even with sexual attraction being a secondary motivation provocative clothing would be far more likely to attract a rapist's attention.

And yet you've gone to absurd lengths creating baseless 'alternate explanations' for why rape skews toward younger women to an almost ludicrous degree.....just to avoid this obvious conclusion.

If a cow had nuts it would be a bull. Some people get aroused by power. Thats why people fully clothed get raped. Has nothing to do with attracting a rapists eye because of clothing. If you look like easy prey then that will attract a rapist. if your conclusion made sense then only prostitutes and skanks would get raped.

And some people are aroused by power.....and brunettes. Again, why must any rapist be this caracature that is motivated by ONLY one factor and can never have any other competing interest?

There's nothing mutually exclusive about this. A man can get off on power.....and be into 23 year olds. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It doesn't have to be only those two. It can be a myriad of reasons.

It defies reason to conclude that in defiance of ANY other human experience which is a mishmashh of multiple purposes, conflicting and competing interests........that rape is pristinely pure, singular event in which nothing intrudes nor ever could intrude, and only one note can ever be hit, regardless of person, place or circumstances.

That's ridiculous. People aren't that simple. And you don't make women safer by pretending rapists are cardboard cartoon caricatures.

Its pretty simple and yes people are that simple when it comes to certain things.

Your caricature is certainly simple. But it isn't necessarily accurate. There's absolutely nothing that mandates mutual exclusivity. A person can be into power....and C cups. Or power......and mini skirts. There's is nothing that mandates it be ONLY one factor. Or mandates that sexual attraction be scrubbed from every rapist.

And even as a secondary motivation, sexual attraction would make it more likely that a rapist notice a woman dressed provocatively. And yet you've gone to elaborate lengths to avoid this simple conclusion. Imagining a complex series of assumptions that have nothing to do with sexual attaction to explain why 1 in 5 rapes occur to women between 18 and 21.

Occam's Razor: sexual attraction plays a role. That's why most rape victims are younger.

You say its not that simple then you say Occams Razor? Dont contradict yourself that easily.

My solution is simple: your one note motivation is hapless, harmful bullshit. People have multiple motivations. And to ignore all but the one that makes you comfortable doesn't actually make anyone woman safer or less likely to be raped. Playing pretend isn't a strategy for preventing rape.

Sex being a secondary motivator would not make them spot a scantily dressed woman as a woman can be sexy and covered head to toe.

Why? You have yet to explain why these motivations must be mutually exclusive. Why a rapist can have NO preferences, be motivated by NO sexual attraction, have NO interest in any woman or find her attractive. For crying out loud, when I noted that only 3% of women over 50 are rape victims, you insisted it was because younger women are 'out and about more'.

That's nonsense. Younger women are a target more often because rapists are attracted to younger women more often. There's absolutely nothing that mandates that a man can't be motivated by power....and a nice ass. You merely assume it can't happen.

And the data indicates that it not only can.......but overwhelmingly does. With multiple, overlapping motivations and competing interests working together at the same time.

 

[Skylar]

Hoiw is that weird? Remember, 1 in 5 rape victims are between the ages of 18 and 21. While women over the age of 50 over the age of 50 make up less than 3% of rape victims.

Its ludicrous to conclude the sexual attraction plays no role in rape. It defines reason. And requires elaborate, baseless narratives to explain away overwhelming evidence that supports the idea of a sexual component in rape.

Remember your 'out and about' excuse for why the average rape victim's age is the lowest of any major violent crime? Occam's Razor is a useful tool here.

Just men that were poorly taught. Hateful, mean, ugly evil men that can't think and act like normal men and wait to be invited to touch. Sick men that care nothing about women and thrive on abuse and hurting other.

Men that don't know how to look at something beautiful without destroying it.

Old, young, big, small it is not about the women but the abuse that drives a man to rape.

Rape is not about sex. It is not about the woman.

So one motivation, one personality, one purpose, regardless of the situation, the context, or who is involved, always?

And there can never be anything more to it? It has to be a perfect, pristine and singular motivation in every situation? And there can be none other?

The man.

That is all of it. Just the man and his inability to control his rage.

Everything else is excuse and attempt to rationalize.

It is the man, the rapists.

In every situation? College kids experimenting with sex and she's not ready........means that he's 'filled with rage'? Some folks get drunk and have sex when she's way too wasted to offer consent........rage? Every situation, every context, every circumstance, always, without exception?

Really?

abuse power rage...............

If not consensual by a competent person able to make the decision

It is a man that is take advantage or abusing a woman, child, man person............

NO

No man has a right or excuse to rape another human or animal.

No one has said otherwise. You're refuting an argument no one is making.

 

[Asclepias]

Males nowadays lost all their privileges. Everyone can be accused of rape even if he didn't commit it. Males can be sued for almost everything. Every sexual action is considered as a sexual harassment. And now half-naked women walking around the streets...

Nothing wrong with half naked women walking around. I find it to be enjoyable if it is done in good taste.

 

[Asclepias]

If a cow had nuts it would be a bull. Some people get aroused by power. Thats why people fully clothed get raped. Has nothing to do with attracting a rapists eye because of clothing. If you look like easy prey then that will attract a rapist. if your conclusion made sense then only prostitutes and skanks would get raped.

And some people are aroused by power.....and brunettes. Again, why must any rapist be this caracature that is motivated by ONLY one factor and can never have any other competing interest?

There's nothing mutually exclusive about this. A man can get off on power.....and be into 23 year olds. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It doesn't have to be only those two. It can be a myriad of reasons.

It defies reason to conclude that in defiance of ANY other human experience which is a mishmashh of multiple purposes, conflicting and competing interests........that rape is pristinely pure, singular event in which nothing intrudes nor ever could intrude, and only one note can ever be hit, regardless of person, place or circumstances.

That's ridiculous. People aren't that simple. And you don't make women safer by pretending rapists are cardboard cartoon caricatures.

Its pretty simple and yes people are that simple when it comes to certain things.

Your caricature is certainly simple. But it isn't necessarily accurate. There's absolutely nothing that mandates mutual exclusivity. A person can be into power....and C cups. Or power......and mini skirts. There's is nothing that mandates it be ONLY one factor. Or mandates that sexual attraction be scrubbed from every rapist.

And even as a secondary motivation, sexual attraction would make it more likely that a rapist notice a woman dressed provocatively. And yet you've gone to elaborate lengths to avoid this simple conclusion. Imagining a complex series of assumptions that have nothing to do with sexual attaction to explain why 1 in 5 rapes occur to women between 18 and 21.

Occam's Razor: sexual attraction plays a role. That's why most rape victims are younger.

You say its not that simple then you say Occams Razor? Dont contradict yourself that easily.

My solution is simple: your one note motivation is hapless, harmful bullshit. People have multiple motivations. And to ignore all but the one that makes you comfortable doesn't actually make anyone woman safer or less likely to be raped. Playing pretend isn't a strategy for preventing rape.

Sex being a secondary motivator would not make them spot a scantily dressed woman as a woman can be sexy and covered head to toe.

Why? You have yet to explain why these motivations must be mutually exclusive. Why a rapist can have NO preferences, be motivated by NO sexual attraction, have NO interest in any woman or find her attractive. For crying out loud, when I noted that only 3% of women over 50 are rape victims, you insisted it was because younger women are 'out and about more'.

That's nonsense. Younger women are a target more often because rapists are attracted to younger women more often. There's absolutely nothing that mandates that a man can't be motivated by power....and a nice ass. You merely assume it can't happen.

And the data indicates that it not only can.......but overwhelmingly does. With multiple, overlapping motivations and competing interests working together at the same time.

Your solution is simplistic not simple. Its not a matter of comfort. I'm completely at ease with the suggestion that clothing is what causes the rape. I actually thought like you when I was young. Then I grew up and found out that it had nothing to do with sex. It was power.

What do you mean by why? Rapists can have preferences. The part you keep missing is that is all secondary to the main motivation which is power.

 

[aris2chat]

No or no consent is

NO

Agree.

Now, realizing that fucking some random guy at the party last night was a mistake is not a rape.

If the other person was drunk or drugged it is rape.

If the person could not, was too young or not of sound mind to consent

It is rape.

If a man is do drunk or drunk on his own power that he does not know when a woman is saying yes or not, it is rape.

If you don't know when a woman is participating or unable to know what is happening, it is rape.

If you can't get a woman without getting her drunk or drugged, you have no business unzipping your fly.

Any person of any age, sex, etc. that is not alert and joyful to have your touch, it is rape.

Maybe your should offer a cup of coffee or tea. Have long talk, get consent in writing and keep asking if you may continue, a thousand times, but if you hear the word no at any time you should get up get dressed and move away to the other side of the room or leave.

 

[aris2chat]

Hoiw is that weird? Remember, 1 in 5 rape victims are between the ages of 18 and 21. While women over the age of 50 over the age of 50 make up less than 3% of rape victims.

Its ludicrous to conclude the sexual attraction plays no role in rape. It defines reason. And requires elaborate, baseless narratives to explain away overwhelming evidence that supports the idea of a sexual component in rape.

Remember your 'out and about' excuse for why the average rape victim's age is the lowest of any major violent crime? Occam's Razor is a useful tool here.

Just men that were poorly taught. Hateful, mean, ugly evil men that can't think and act like normal men and wait to be invited to touch. Sick men that care nothing about women and thrive on abuse and hurting other.

Men that don't know how to look at something beautiful without destroying it.

Old, young, big, small it is not about the women but the abuse that drives a man to rape.

Rape is not about sex. It is not about the woman.

So one motivation, one personality, one purpose, regardless of the situation, the context, or who is involved, always?

And there can never be anything more to it? It has to be a perfect, pristine and singular motivation in every situation? And there can be none other?

The man.

That is all of it. Just the man and his inability to control his rage.

Everything else is excuse and attempt to rationalize.

It is the man, the rapists.

In every situation? College kids experimenting with sex and she's not ready........means that he's 'filled with rage'? Some folks get drunk and have sex when she's way too wasted to offer consent........rage? Every situation, every context, every circumstance, always, without exception?

Really?

You are mixing up legal definitions of rape and what we all know is really rape. Two people getting drunk and having sex is not rape. Tw kids having sex and the girl says stop. Yeah thats rape and yes its about power the moment he continues after she said stop.

If she is not mentally or physically capable of consent it is still rape.
Don't get drunk or get the other person drunk to have sex. If you can't do it without the drink or drug, you should not be unzipping.

 

[Asclepias]

Just men that were poorly taught. Hateful, mean, ugly evil men that can't think and act like normal men and wait to be invited to touch. Sick men that care nothing about women and thrive on abuse and hurting other.

Men that don't know how to look at something beautiful without destroying it.

Old, young, big, small it is not about the women but the abuse that drives a man to rape.

Rape is not about sex. It is not about the woman.

So one motivation, one personality, one purpose, regardless of the situation, the context, or who is involved, always?

And there can never be anything more to it? It has to be a perfect, pristine and singular motivation in every situation? And there can be none other?

The man.

That is all of it. Just the man and his inability to control his rage.

Everything else is excuse and attempt to rationalize.

It is the man, the rapists.

In every situation? College kids experimenting with sex and she's not ready........means that he's 'filled with rage'? Some folks get drunk and have sex when she's way too wasted to offer consent........rage? Every situation, every context, every circumstance, always, without exception?

Really?

You are mixing up legal definitions of rape and what we all know is really rape. Two people getting drunk and having sex is not rape. Tw kids having sex and the girl says stop. Yeah thats rape and yes its about power the moment he continues after she said stop.

If she is not mentally or physically capable of consent it is still rape.
Don't get drunk or get the other person drunk to have sex. If you can't do it without the drink or drug, you should not be unzipping.

Youre talking legal definition now. I disagree with that unless she is the only one that is drunk, high etc. If both are impaired and they have sex then its not rape to me. How does one take the word of 1 drunk person over another?

 

[Asclepias]

 

[Skylar]

And some people are aroused by power.....and brunettes. Again, why must any rapist be this caracature that is motivated by ONLY one factor and can never have any other competing interest?

There's nothing mutually exclusive about this. A man can get off on power.....and be into 23 year olds. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It doesn't have to be only those two. It can be a myriad of reasons.

It defies reason to conclude that in defiance of ANY other human experience which is a mishmashh of multiple purposes, conflicting and competing interests........that rape is pristinely pure, singular event in which nothing intrudes nor ever could intrude, and only one note can ever be hit, regardless of person, place or circumstances.

That's ridiculous. People aren't that simple. And you don't make women safer by pretending rapists are cardboard cartoon caricatures.

Its pretty simple and yes people are that simple when it comes to certain things.

Your caricature is certainly simple. But it isn't necessarily accurate. There's absolutely nothing that mandates mutual exclusivity. A person can be into power....and C cups. Or power......and mini skirts. There's is nothing that mandates it be ONLY one factor. Or mandates that sexual attraction be scrubbed from every rapist.

And even as a secondary motivation, sexual attraction would make it more likely that a rapist notice a woman dressed provocatively. And yet you've gone to elaborate lengths to avoid this simple conclusion. Imagining a complex series of assumptions that have nothing to do with sexual attaction to explain why 1 in 5 rapes occur to women between 18 and 21.

Occam's Razor: sexual attraction plays a role. That's why most rape victims are younger.

You say its not that simple then you say Occams Razor? Dont contradict yourself that easily.

My solution is simple: your one note motivation is hapless, harmful bullshit. People have multiple motivations. And to ignore all but the one that makes you comfortable doesn't actually make anyone woman safer or less likely to be raped. Playing pretend isn't a strategy for preventing rape.

Sex being a secondary motivator would not make them spot a scantily dressed woman as a woman can be sexy and covered head to toe.

Why? You have yet to explain why these motivations must be mutually exclusive. Why a rapist can have NO preferences, be motivated by NO sexual attraction, have NO interest in any woman or find her attractive. For crying out loud, when I noted that only 3% of women over 50 are rape victims, you insisted it was because younger women are 'out and about more'.

That's nonsense. Younger women are a target more often because rapists are attracted to younger women more often. There's absolutely nothing that mandates that a man can't be motivated by power....and a nice ass. You merely assume it can't happen.

And the data indicates that it not only can.......but overwhelmingly does. With multiple, overlapping motivations and competing interests working together at the same time.

Your solution is simplistic not simple. Its not a matter of comfort. I'm completely at ease with the suggestion that clothing is what causes the rape. I actually thought like you when I was young. Then I grew up and found out that it had nothing to do with sex. It was power.

My solution is consistent with the data (younger women make up the overwhelming majority of rape victims) and every other human experience that is a sythesis of multiple motivations.

Yet with rape you inexplicably conclude that there can be one and ONLY one motivation effecting behavior. That no rapist can be attracted to any woman. That they can have no physical preferences. That their behavior can be influenced by nothing but 'power'.

Um, why? Why can't there be multiple motivations influencing behavior? Why can't a rapist be into power...and red heads? Why must it be ONLY power? You can't explain it. You merely assume it, backed by nothing. And then come up with convoluted, awkward, and painfully elaborate narratives to explain away the mountains of evidence contradicting you. Also backed by nothing.

There's a much simpler explanation: sexual attraction influences behavior too.

And there's absolutely no reason it wouldn't. Nor any reason why there couldn't be other motivations as well. Your assumption of exclusivity, where behavior can be motivate by only ONE factor....is just that: an assumption. One backed by nothing. And contradicted by any other human experience......and the demographics of rape victims.

If sexual attraction played no role, older women would be as likely to be raped as younger. Yet women over 50 make up less than 3% of rape victims.

What do you mean by why? Rapists can have preferences. The part you keep missing is that is all secondary to the main motivation which is power.

The part you keep missing is that it can be both. Or a myriad of other reasons. You assume that ONLY ONE motivation can effect behavior. And no other interest, preference, need or motivation can influence behavior in anyway.

But that's nonsense. People are capable of holding multiple motivations and being influenced by them. These motivations can compete, they can conflict, they can be contradictory, they can be irrational. And virtually every human experience is a mix.

Yet for no particular reason, rape must be only one. And there can never be any other factor influencing behavior. Ever. Why? You have no idea. When I ask, you seem dumbfounded that I would even ask such a question. And of course, can't offer any rational explanation for why you believe as you do.

I call bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about. Your assumptions are not only baseless....but foolish. As they rob any woman listening to you of the ability to use predictable cues and motivations to protect herself. You pretending that rapists are cartoons doesn't make any woman safer.

 

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Just men that were poorly taught. Hateful, mean, ugly evil men that can't think and act like normal men and wait to be invited to touch. Sick men that care nothing about women and thrive on abuse and hurting other.

Men that don't know how to look at something beautiful without destroying it.

Old, young, big, small it is not about the women but the abuse that drives a man to rape.

Rape is not about sex. It is not about the woman.

So one motivation, one personality, one purpose, regardless of the situation, the context, or who is involved, always?

And there can never be anything more to it? It has to be a perfect, pristine and singular motivation in every situation? And there can be none other?

The man.

That is all of it. Just the man and his inability to control his rage.

Everything else is excuse and attempt to rationalize.

It is the man, the rapists.

In every situation? College kids experimenting with sex and she's not ready........means that he's 'filled with rage'? Some folks get drunk and have sex when she's way too wasted to offer consent........rage? Every situation, every context, every circumstance, always, without exception?

Really?

You are mixing up legal definitions of rape and what we all know is really rape. Two people getting drunk and having sex is not rape. Tw kids having sex and the girl says stop. Yeah thats rape and yes its about power the moment he continues after she said stop.

It has to ONLY be about power for your one note narrative to work.And I call bullshit. It can also be about wanting sexual urges fulfilled. There's nothing that mandates one motivation and only one motivation. There's nothing that requires these obtuse stereotypes and bumpersticker slogans define reality.

It can be about power....and a myriad of other rearsons. And among them, sexual attraction plays a role. Its not a grand cosmic coincidence that young women make up the overwhelming majority of rape victims. With 18 to 21 year olds making up 21% all by themselves, in just those 3 years.

Its certainly simpler to imagine that sexual attraction doesn't play any role. Assuming a lone motivation makes it easier to classify the situation. But obtuse and simple stereotypes are rarely useful. And they certainly don't make anyone safer by clinging to them.

A boss, a person of dominance, authority, a teacher, someone stronger, with a weapon, intimidation.... it is rape.
Two kids both below the age of consent, it is bad behavior. If one forces the other it is rape. If one is more than four year older, it is rape. If one is below age and the other just turned 18, it is rape.

In the heat of the act, if the other person say no, it becomes rape. If you can't stop, you should not be attempting anything. A push away, a sound of pain, a hesitation. You have to stop.

Any unwilling dominance over another person is a no go.

Anything other than two equal alert and consenting adult no matter the foreplay should take a step back and wait, or not even begin.