Andylusion
Platinum Member
All of the options are good choices. FDR was terrible, that's for sure. LBJ screwed up society.
Obama is difficult, because it depends on how we fix the things he's screwed up.
Unfortunately history suggests they won't be fixed at all.
All of the other presidents built on existing law. Meaning, before Hoover/FDR, there was no idea that government was involved in fixing the economy. Thus before then, we didn't have the massive "government fix everything in our lives" belief system.
So one could make the claim that all the crap of the past 70 years, is all due to FDR. He opened the flood gates, which all the rest of disasters flowed through.
But if you want to credit each president with only their own specific legislation, ignoring what it was built on, it would have to be Carter.
My opinion.... It's Carter. Every time I go back and look at "why are we having this problem", and I trace it back to some government policy, it is routine that I find that policy was originally pushed back in the 1970s, and usually by Carter.
Most of the problems in Housing, can be traced back to Carter. Most of the problems in Social Security, can be traced back to Carter. Interest rates, Banking, eco-protection laws, regulations on manufacturing driving away jobs.... all can be traced back to Carter.
The reason our nuclear power infrastructure is stuck at a 1960s level of safety and advancement.... is due to Carter.
Iran, is due to Carter. The removal of interest rate limits, due to Carter. Certifying clearly bogus election results in Haiti and Venezuela, due to Carter.
Even the 2008 Sub-prime crash, can be traced back to policies pushed by Carter.
The list of things Carter either directly screwed up, or indirectly damaged, is endless. Let's not forget that it was Carter himself, who without authorization, went to North Korea after they expelled the UN nuclear inspectors, and began the process that became the 1994 North Korean Nuclear Deal. That deal, which guaranteed that N. Korea would not get nuclear weapons, is exactly why we are, were we are today in Korea.
Obama may have passed the absolute worst health care law, that will eventually lead to a massive unfixable problem in health care.
But it would be hard for Obama to be as prolifically bad, and causing problems in so many areas, as Carter. Obama would have to truly double his efforts of destruction.
Of course, many of the train-wrecks under Carter, became apparent in the decades following. So it's possible that 10 years from now, we'll look back and seen a string of crashes lining the Obama legacy, that we don't see today. Still, Carter has a ton of failure to account for. Obama has made great strides in accomplishing a similar level of fail, but it's a long way to go still.
Obama is difficult, because it depends on how we fix the things he's screwed up.
Unfortunately history suggests they won't be fixed at all.
All of the other presidents built on existing law. Meaning, before Hoover/FDR, there was no idea that government was involved in fixing the economy. Thus before then, we didn't have the massive "government fix everything in our lives" belief system.
So one could make the claim that all the crap of the past 70 years, is all due to FDR. He opened the flood gates, which all the rest of disasters flowed through.
But if you want to credit each president with only their own specific legislation, ignoring what it was built on, it would have to be Carter.
My opinion.... It's Carter. Every time I go back and look at "why are we having this problem", and I trace it back to some government policy, it is routine that I find that policy was originally pushed back in the 1970s, and usually by Carter.
Most of the problems in Housing, can be traced back to Carter. Most of the problems in Social Security, can be traced back to Carter. Interest rates, Banking, eco-protection laws, regulations on manufacturing driving away jobs.... all can be traced back to Carter.
The reason our nuclear power infrastructure is stuck at a 1960s level of safety and advancement.... is due to Carter.
Iran, is due to Carter. The removal of interest rate limits, due to Carter. Certifying clearly bogus election results in Haiti and Venezuela, due to Carter.
Even the 2008 Sub-prime crash, can be traced back to policies pushed by Carter.
The list of things Carter either directly screwed up, or indirectly damaged, is endless. Let's not forget that it was Carter himself, who without authorization, went to North Korea after they expelled the UN nuclear inspectors, and began the process that became the 1994 North Korean Nuclear Deal. That deal, which guaranteed that N. Korea would not get nuclear weapons, is exactly why we are, were we are today in Korea.
Obama may have passed the absolute worst health care law, that will eventually lead to a massive unfixable problem in health care.
But it would be hard for Obama to be as prolifically bad, and causing problems in so many areas, as Carter. Obama would have to truly double his efforts of destruction.
Of course, many of the train-wrecks under Carter, became apparent in the decades following. So it's possible that 10 years from now, we'll look back and seen a string of crashes lining the Obama legacy, that we don't see today. Still, Carter has a ton of failure to account for. Obama has made great strides in accomplishing a similar level of fail, but it's a long way to go still.
