Would a Progressive Society be a Free Society?

[francoHFW]

If you are saying that all politicians and government become more corrupt over time, that I would agree with.
But that has nothing to do with communism.
Communism has to be a democratic republic, with wealth sharing, so is the least corrupt to begin with.

Nobody has any idea what kind of communism you are talking about. You are certainly not talking about the Soviet Union or red China or any other place that called themselves communist.

 

[francoHFW]

Wrong.
The "proletariat" is everyone in a classless workers society, so Marx was obviously defining a democratic republic.
There really is no way to do communism without a democratic republic.
It is totally impossible, and we can tell because Stalin has to murder every single one of the actual communists.

And clearly Fancisco Franco's Spain was extremely capitalist.
It was Fascists, like Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany.
That is as anti-Communist as one can possibly get.
They did not even allow trade unions.
The rebels fighting against Franco were the communists.

Your first paragraph is idiocy. The second is obvious.

 

[francoHFW]

I never heard of any Siberian workers getting high pay in Russia.
There was no "profit sharing", so it was not at all communist.
The wealthy capitalists got their dacha on the Black Sea, and workers got almost nothing.

it was the communist leaders who had the dachas, there were no capitalists and no profits to share. You understand the political spectrum very well until you start talking about communists and profit sharing. I am not totally against communism, maybe it might have worked without the total resistance of capitalist countries. And for example the Soviets or committees were actually open and democratic.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Come on.
Immigration is about cheap labor, so is something capitalists want, and has nothing to do with economic systems like capitalism, communism, or socialism.
Economic systems have nothing to do with how you choose political representatives.
I live in New Mexico, with lots of Hispanic natives and immigrants, and they tend to be more republican than democrat.

The first generation and those that came here legally, yes. But the invaders know who is on their side and who is not. That's why the Communists want them here in the country in the first place. Those are instant votes for their party if they can get away with blanket amnesty. Cheap labor could be done easily by expanding the amount of green cards. But that's not what they're after. They want total domination of this country which will give us a virtual dictatorship.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I do not particularly like the way things are, but lets not exaggerate.

High gasoline prices are not inflation, but due to economic sanctions against Russia.
Inflation is when prosperity is so high that people compete to buy more goods.

And interest rates are ridiculously low.

Your chart goes to 2020. Try again. The current interest rate is 4%.

Gasoline is dropping in price because of the economic predictions look so bleak. Russia was only a part of it on the way up. Fuel was rising long before sanctions because we were stupid enough to replace a pro-energy President with an anti-energy President.

 

[Soupnazi630]

If you are saying that all politicians and government become more corrupt over time, that I would agree with.
But that has nothing to do with communism.
Communism has to be a democratic republic, with wealth sharing, so is the least corrupt to begin with.

Communism is never and can never be about democracy or sharing

It is by design about authoritarian tyrannny and slavery

Straight from Marx himself

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
The "proletariat" is everyone in a classless workers society, so Marx was obviously defining a democratic republic.
There really is no way to do communism without a democratic republic.
It is totally impossible, and we can tell because Stalin has to murder every single one of the actual communists.

And clearly Fancisco Franco's Spain was extremely capitalist.
It was Fascists, like Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany.
That is as anti-Communist as one can possibly get.
They did not even allow trade unions.
The rebels fighting against Franco were the communists.

Wrong

Marx was defining a society of universal enslavement of all people

He clearly demanded a dictatorship of the proletariate which means tyranny
Stalin was an actual communist and the the dctatorship of the proletariate

 

[Soupnazi630]

I never heard of any Siberian workers getting high pay in Russia.
There was no "profit sharing", so it was not at all communist.
The wealthy capitalists got their dacha on the Black Sea, and workers got almost nothing.
If there is not equal sharing, its not communism.

Communism is never about sharing

 

[francoHFW]

Wrong.
The "proletariat" is everyone in a classless workers society, so Marx was obviously defining a democratic republic.
There really is no way to do communism without a democratic republic.
It is totally impossible, and we can tell because Stalin has to murder every single one of the actual communists.

And clearly Fancisco Franco's Spain was extremely capitalist.
It was Fascists, like Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany.
That is as anti-Communist as one can possibly get.
They did not even allow trade unions.
The rebels fighting against Franco were the communists.

The Democrats and socialists and communists were the government that Franco was rebelling against. Absolutely horrible and he is still dead thank God lol

Socialism is the last step to Communism. Look at what the commies are trying to do now. They want a blanket amnesty for every illegal in this country. Giving them 20, 30, 40 million more votes means we will be a single-party country with no actual opposition. That means we will slip past Socialism right to Communism.

Socialism has never led to communism without a violent revolution, just like every other time communism has been produced. Nobody has ever voted in communism.

 

[bripat9643]

I never heard of any Siberian workers getting high pay in Russia.
There was no "profit sharing", so it was not at all communist.
The wealthy capitalists got their dacha on the Black Sea, and workers got almost nothing.
If there is not equal sharing, its not communism.

I said they got a share in the tanks and bombers the government bought with the gold they mined. Who said communism is expressed as "profit sharing?" There were no wealthy capitalists in the USSR. The workers get ownership in commonly owned gold mines. They all share ownership in the tanks and bombers the state buys with the gold.

 

[francoHFW]

The first generation and those that came here legally, yes. But the invaders know who is on their side and who is not. That's why the Communists want them here in the country in the first place. Those are instant votes for their party if they can get away with blanket amnesty. Cheap labor could be done easily by expanding the amount of green cards. But that's not what they're after. They want total domination of this country which will give us a virtual dictatorship.

You mean like the ridiculous corrupt give away to the rich by the GOP the last 40 years of the domination by the GOP? So now we have the worst upward mobility inequality homelessness hopelessness and gridlock ever anywhere. Great job super duper, and the Democrats are just trying to organize an immigration system like trump destroyed. You do get a back up when you close the border for four years, not exactly americanism, instead blatant racism and stupid brainwash. Pass the 2010 democratic Immigration Bill that started out with a work ID card which is the only solution to this GOP never ending mess. Republicans love it this way because they love cheap easily bullied labor.... and not helping Latin American countries like we should instead making them dictatorships and ridiculous oligarchies like they're trying to do here.

 

[zaangalewa]

no

Exactly. Same with a conservative society.

 

[cnm]

From what I have seen, a progressive liberal society would be an ever-increasing big federal gov't with an ever-increasing control over our rights and liberties.

Lol. I love the parochial ignorance of deplorables. It's so parochial and so ignorant...

The countries that took the top 10 places, in order, were Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Estonia, Ireland, Canada and Finland (tied at 6), Australia, Sweden, and Luxembourg. Selected jurisdictions rank as follows: United Kingdom (14), Germany, Japan, and the United States (tied at 15)​

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index/2021

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[task0778]

Lol. I love the parochial ignorance of deplorables. It's so parochial and so ignorant...

The countries that took the top 10 places, in order, were Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Estonia, Ireland, Canada and Finland (tied at 6), Australia, Sweden, and Luxembourg. Selected jurisdictions rank as follows: United Kingdom (14), Germany, Japan, and the United States (tied at 15)​

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index/2021

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None of those countries are as progressive liberal as the democrats want the US to be. You condescending asshole.

 

[miketx]

Suppose Progressives win the Culture War. Then every website including this one will be faced with a choice of either banning anyone who disagrees with Progressives or being thrown off Internet.

This will not be achieved by government action, but by pressure on Social Media, web hosting providers, DDoS mitigation companies, etc. Thus the First Amendment will not be violated. Nevertheless, anyone who disagrees with Progressives will have no platform anywhere online.

Will that be a Free Society?

As long as you vermin are allowed to run free, no.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Lying is free speech. Without free speech, lying couldn’t be vetted.
You promote censorship. You’re a fascist.

Defamation is illegal in 23 states and 2 U.S. territories. It has additionally been prosecuted in Iowa.

While it's rarely prosecuted, the level of defamation being committed by the MAGGOTS (i.e. MAGA Idiots), is certainly far beyond anything previous.

Defamation - Wikipedia

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Besides, why do you need to defend lying? Is lying the cornerstone of your political beliefs?

If there was ANYTHING valid in your political beliefs, you wouldn't have to lie.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Defamation is illegal in 23 states and 2 U.S. territories. It has additionally been prosecuted in Iowa.

While it's rarely prosecuted, the level of defamation being committed by the MAGGOTS (i.e. MAGA Idiots), is certainly far beyond anything previous.

Defamation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Besides, why do you need to defend lying? Is lying the cornerstone of your political beliefs?

If there was ANYTHING valid in your political beliefs, you wouldn't have to lie.

Defamation litigation is a consequence of free speech.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Defamation litigation is a consequence of free speech.

If there was absolute free speech, like you profess, there would be no defamation litigation.

 

[miketx]

Defamation is illegal in 23 states and 2 U.S. territories. It has additionally been prosecuted in Iowa.

While it's rarely prosecuted, the level of defamation being committed by the MAGGOTS (i.e. MAGA Idiots), is certainly far beyond anything previous.

Defamation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Besides, why do you need to defend lying? Is lying the cornerstone of your political beliefs?

If there was ANYTHING valid in your political beliefs, you wouldn't have to lie.

Richard the walking hemorrhoid says what?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

If there was absolute free speech, like you profess, there would be no defamation litigation.

That makes no sense.