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Since Norway receives high praise in the OP for its low murder rate, let's take a look at Norway's gun control policies:
Right to Possess Firearms
In Norway, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law
Prohibited Firearms and Ammunition
In Norway, private possession of fully automatic weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence
In Norway, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Licence
Applicants for a gun owners licence in Norway are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target shooting, collection, personal protection, security
Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in Norway is 16 years with special consent, 18 or 21 years for particular firearms
Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Norway must pass background checks which consider criminal and mental records
In Norway, third party character references for each gun licence applicant are not required
Domestic Violence and Firearms
Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Norway does not stipulate that a gun licence should be denied or revoked
Firearm Safety Training
In Norway, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required for a firearm licence
Limit on Number of Guns
Licensed firearm owners in Norway are permitted to possess any number of firearms
Limit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition
A licensed firearm owner in Norway is permitted to possess any quantity of ammunition
Civilian Gun Registration
In Norway, the law requires that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register
Gun Dealer Record Keeping
In Norway, licensed firearm dealers are not required to keep a record of each firearm or ammunition purchase, sale or transfer on behalf of a regulating authority
State-Owned Firearm Records
In Norway, State agencies are required to maintain records of the storage and movement of all firearms and ammunition under their control
Regulation of Private Gun Sales
In Norway, the private sale and transfer of firearms is prohibited.
well, thats' enough of that...
***********
Okay, since you want Norway's murder rate, you should want Norway's gun control.
Guns in Norway: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
Will it stop muders? or will it reduce murders?
You're being tricky with words with the OP question
Let me quote directly from the study on Russia, which gets a mention in the OP:
"...stringent gun controls that were effectuated
by a police state apparatus providing stringent enforcement. So successful was that regime that few Russian civilians now have firearms and very few murders involve them."
Not quite the picture painted by the OP, eh?
Yeah, because Russia is such a great example of what a country should be doing.....
So was your answers a yes or a no?Then I take it you believe that a convicted bank robber, on the day he gets out of prison, should be able to go buy an AR-15 the same day,
no questions asked?
can he be denied the right to vote too? and drive a car? and keep his money in a bank?
Is that a yes or a no?
Let me repeat the question:
Then I take it you believe that a convicted bank robber, on the day he gets out of prison, should be able to go buy an AR-15 the same day,
no questions asked?
Since Norway receives high praise in the OP for its low murder rate, let's take a look at Norway's gun control policies:
Right to Possess Firearms
In Norway, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law
Prohibited Firearms and Ammunition
In Norway, private possession of fully automatic weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence
In Norway, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Licence
Applicants for a gun owners licence in Norway are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target shooting, collection, personal protection, security
Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in Norway is 16 years with special consent, 18 or 21 years for particular firearms
Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Norway must pass background checks which consider criminal and mental records
In Norway, third party character references for each gun licence applicant are not required
Domestic Violence and Firearms
Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Norway does not stipulate that a gun licence should be denied or revoked
Firearm Safety Training
In Norway, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required for a firearm licence
Limit on Number of Guns
Licensed firearm owners in Norway are permitted to possess any number of firearms
Limit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition
A licensed firearm owner in Norway is permitted to possess any quantity of ammunition
Civilian Gun Registration
In Norway, the law requires that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register
Gun Dealer Record Keeping
In Norway, licensed firearm dealers are not required to keep a record of each firearm or ammunition purchase, sale or transfer on behalf of a regulating authority
State-Owned Firearm Records
In Norway, State agencies are required to maintain records of the storage and movement of all firearms and ammunition under their control
Regulation of Private Gun Sales
In Norway, the private sale and transfer of firearms is prohibited.
well, thats' enough of that...
***********
Okay, since you want Norway's murder rate, you should want Norway's gun control.
Guns in Norway: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
I have the right to a firearm guanranteed by the 2nd amendment, as long as a court of law has not stripped me of said right.
Dont like it? Repeal the 2nd amendment, until then go pound sand.
Since Norway receives high praise in the OP for its low murder rate, let's take a look at Norway's gun control policies:
Right to Possess Firearms
In Norway, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law
Prohibited Firearms and Ammunition
In Norway, private possession of fully automatic weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence
In Norway, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Licence
Applicants for a gun owners licence in Norway are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target shooting, collection, personal protection, security
Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in Norway is 16 years with special consent, 18 or 21 years for particular firearms
Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Norway must pass background checks which consider criminal and mental records
In Norway, third party character references for each gun licence applicant are not required
Domestic Violence and Firearms
Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Norway does not stipulate that a gun licence should be denied or revoked
Firearm Safety Training
In Norway, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required for a firearm licence
Limit on Number of Guns
Licensed firearm owners in Norway are permitted to possess any number of firearms
Limit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition
A licensed firearm owner in Norway is permitted to possess any quantity of ammunition
Civilian Gun Registration
In Norway, the law requires that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register
Gun Dealer Record Keeping
In Norway, licensed firearm dealers are not required to keep a record of each firearm or ammunition purchase, sale or transfer on behalf of a regulating authority
State-Owned Firearm Records
In Norway, State agencies are required to maintain records of the storage and movement of all firearms and ammunition under their control
Regulation of Private Gun Sales
In Norway, the private sale and transfer of firearms is prohibited.
well, thats' enough of that...
***********
Okay, since you want Norway's murder rate, you should want Norway's gun control.
Guns in Norway: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
I have the right to a firearm guanranteed by the 2nd amendment, as long as a court of law has not stripped me of said right.
Dont like it? Repeal the 2nd amendment, until then go pound sand.
The author of this thread praised Norway's gun policies as a formula for low murder rates.
Take it up with her, asshole.
Then I take it you believe that a convicted bank robber, on the day he gets out of prison, should be able to go buy an AR-15 the same day,
no questions asked?
can he be denied the right to vote too? and drive a car? and keep his money in a bank?
Is that a yes or a no?
Let me repeat the question:
Then I take it you believe that a convicted bank robber, on the day he gets out of prison, should be able to go buy an AR-15 the same day,
no questions asked?
gun control has yet to be able to show results better than no gun control. In the whole gun control argument, that is the one truth that can not be disputed.
The Left will dispute it ad infinitum.
Know why?
'Cause for them, mythology is the key to power.
Georges Eugène Sorel (2 November 1847 in Cherbourg 29 August 1922 in Boulogne-sur-Seine) was a French philosopher and theorist of revolutionary syndicalism. His notion of the power of myth in people's lives inspired Marxists and Fascists, it is, together with his defense of violence, the contribution for which he is most often remembered.
Georges Sorel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Since Norway receives high praise in the OP for its low murder rate, let's take a look at Norway's gun control policies:
Right to Possess Firearms
In Norway, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law
Prohibited Firearms and Ammunition
In Norway, private possession of fully automatic weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence
In Norway, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Licence
Applicants for a gun owners licence in Norway are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target shooting, collection, personal protection, security
Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in Norway is 16 years with special consent, 18 or 21 years for particular firearms
Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Norway must pass background checks which consider criminal and mental records
In Norway, third party character references for each gun licence applicant are not required
Domestic Violence and Firearms
Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Norway does not stipulate that a gun licence should be denied or revoked
Firearm Safety Training
In Norway, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required for a firearm licence
Limit on Number of Guns
Licensed firearm owners in Norway are permitted to possess any number of firearms
Limit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition
A licensed firearm owner in Norway is permitted to possess any quantity of ammunition
Civilian Gun Registration
In Norway, the law requires that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register
Gun Dealer Record Keeping
In Norway, licensed firearm dealers are not required to keep a record of each firearm or ammunition purchase, sale or transfer on behalf of a regulating authority
State-Owned Firearm Records
In Norway, State agencies are required to maintain records of the storage and movement of all firearms and ammunition under their control
Regulation of Private Gun Sales
In Norway, the private sale and transfer of firearms is prohibited.
well, thats' enough of that...
***********
Okay, since you want Norway's murder rate, you should want Norway's gun control.
Guns in Norway: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
How many of the European countries with low murder rates do NOT have background checks and gun registration?
Those are the current issues here in the US, whether we'll have background checks, whether guns will be registered.
Since Norway receives high praise in the OP for its low murder rate, let's take a look at Norway's gun control policies:
Right to Possess Firearms
In Norway, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law
Prohibited Firearms and Ammunition
In Norway, private possession of fully automatic weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence
In Norway, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Licence
Applicants for a gun owners licence in Norway are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target shooting, collection, personal protection, security
Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in Norway is 16 years with special consent, 18 or 21 years for particular firearms
Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Norway must pass background checks which consider criminal and mental records
In Norway, third party character references for each gun licence applicant are not required
Domestic Violence and Firearms
Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Norway does not stipulate that a gun licence should be denied or revoked
Firearm Safety Training
In Norway, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required for a firearm licence
Limit on Number of Guns
Licensed firearm owners in Norway are permitted to possess any number of firearms
Limit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition
A licensed firearm owner in Norway is permitted to possess any quantity of ammunition
Civilian Gun Registration
In Norway, the law requires that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register
Gun Dealer Record Keeping
In Norway, licensed firearm dealers are not required to keep a record of each firearm or ammunition purchase, sale or transfer on behalf of a regulating authority
State-Owned Firearm Records
In Norway, State agencies are required to maintain records of the storage and movement of all firearms and ammunition under their control
Regulation of Private Gun Sales
In Norway, the private sale and transfer of firearms is prohibited.
well, thats' enough of that...
***********
Okay, since you want Norway's murder rate, you should want Norway's gun control.
Guns in Norway: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
better yet, lets take a look a norways gun murder rates before initiating these laws. Oh, I see they were low before too. these laws really haven't changed anything. the example you liberal idiots keep trying to push is like saying if people who don't go out in the sun apply sunscreen they will reduce their incidence of skin cancer.
can he be denied the right to vote too? and drive a car? and keep his money in a bank?
Is that a yes or a no?
Let me repeat the question:
Then I take it you believe that a convicted bank robber, on the day he gets out of prison, should be able to go buy an AR-15 the same day,
no questions asked?
A wise woman has said "No amount of logic, experience, nor data will convince a Liberal."
Let's see how the Liberal gun control agenda has worked out.
It's values and morality...not an issue of guns laws. The following will illustrate why Liberals should never be allowed in any position of power.
My first witness: Anderson Baker
1. "CAMDEN, N.J. Anderson Baker lives in a state with a litany of gun regulations. But no law stopped him from becoming a teenage drug dealer who could easily acquire, and use, his weapon of choice..... the legislative approach to reducing gun violence... would do little to stem violence.... Dozens of frustrated city leaders, residents, law enforcement officials and other experts interviewed by USA TODAY echo the conclusion that the blood running in Camdens streets isnt just about gun laws.
a. ... the focus was not on gun laws but on long-standing issues that fed Bakers struggles: a failing education system, a dearth of jobs and a street culture that rewards and even encourages criminal behavior.... You have this paradox in that New Jersey has arguably the toughest gun laws in the nation yet has a city within it that has gun violence at Third World country rates.
2. . All these laws do is retard law-abiding people in New Jersey from having guns to protect themselves, said Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation, a non-profit group based in Bellevue, Wash., that supports lessening gun regulations. He said authorities should focus on arresting criminals rather than toughening laws..."
New Jersey gun laws don?t curb violence in Camden | Yamiche Alcindor
Camden, New Jersey: just one more Liberal 'success.'
gun control has yet to be able to show results better than no gun control. In the whole gun control argument, that is the one truth that can not be disputed.
The Left will dispute it ad infinitum.
Know why?
'Cause for them, mythology is the key to power.
Georges Eugène Sorel (2 November 1847 in Cherbourg 29 August 1922 in Boulogne-sur-Seine) was a French philosopher and theorist of revolutionary syndicalism. His notion of the power of myth in people's lives inspired Marxists and Fascists, it is, together with his defense of violence, the contribution for which he is most often remembered.
Georges Sorel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I am a gun rights fellow.
Somehow your divisive post makes me want to argue.
Your points are mostly correct even if they are poorly used (come on, strongman controlled Russia lol). However your insistance on name calling reminds me of hermits who only have interaction with others on talk radio.
How many of the European countries with low murder rates do NOT have background checks and gun registration?
Those are the current issues here in the US, whether we'll have background checks, whether guns will be registered.
Well, well, well.....we just got the answer.
And, from Harvard, no less.
1. " A study published in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy this spring calls into question the conventional wisdom behind arguments for more strict gun control. Namely, the idea that fewer guns would equal less deadly violence.
2. Will a Harvard man listen to Harvard research?
Probably not, if the Harvard man is Barack Obama, and what Harvard’s saying flies in the face of liberal pieties – and misconceptions and lies – about gun ownership, gun violence and gun control...
3 .Like the recently reported CDC study about gun violence Obama commissioned himself, the message to gun grabbers is clear:
They’re wrong.
4. A Harvard study released in the spring .... focused on the prevalence of gun ownership in the United States versus those strict gun-control countries in Europe the left is so fond of talking about.
5. Looking at historical patterns in the United States from the colonial and post-colonial days, and in Europe going back to the time before guns were even invented, ...a clear conclusion:
“Nations with higher gun ownership rates … do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership…”
a. Russia. Under communist rule, the former Soviet union was largely disarmed by the government for the better part of a century, has a homicide rate four times higher than the U.S.
6. .... if guns aren’t the true source of the problem, we’d best be honest and open about that, so we can better focus on finding real solutions.
7. ... solutions have much more to do with reversing the breakdown of the two-parent family, and our culture’s wide-armed embrace of moral relativism."
Harvard Study: Banning Guns Would Not Reduce Murder
8. "Heavily armed Norwegians, where gun ownership is highest in Western Europe, have the continent’s lowest homicide rate, researchers Don Kates and Gary Mauser wrote.
9. In the United States, homicide rates were relatively low, despite periods when firearms were widely available – the colonial era, when Americans were the world’s most heavily armed population, the post-Civil War years, when the country was awash in surplus guns and filled with men trained to use them.
10. And today?
Communities where gun-ownership rates are highest are where the homicide rates are lowest,...."
Harvard study proves gun-grabbers? argument dead wrong - BizPac Review
How often are Liberals going to be proven wrong, and conservatives correct, before folks on the Left learn???
Avagadro's number comes to mind.....
Since Norway receives high praise in the OP for its low murder rate, let's take a look at Norway's gun control policies:
Right to Possess Firearms
In Norway, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law
Prohibited Firearms and Ammunition
In Norway, private possession of fully automatic weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence
In Norway, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence
In Norway, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Licence
Applicants for a gun owners licence in Norway are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target shooting, collection, personal protection, security
Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in Norway is 16 years with special consent, 18 or 21 years for particular firearms
Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Norway must pass background checks which consider criminal and mental records
In Norway, third party character references for each gun licence applicant are not required
Domestic Violence and Firearms
Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Norway does not stipulate that a gun licence should be denied or revoked
Firearm Safety Training
In Norway, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required for a firearm licence
Limit on Number of Guns
Licensed firearm owners in Norway are permitted to possess any number of firearms
Limit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition
A licensed firearm owner in Norway is permitted to possess any quantity of ammunition
Civilian Gun Registration
In Norway, the law requires that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register
Gun Dealer Record Keeping
In Norway, licensed firearm dealers are not required to keep a record of each firearm or ammunition purchase, sale or transfer on behalf of a regulating authority
State-Owned Firearm Records
In Norway, State agencies are required to maintain records of the storage and movement of all firearms and ammunition under their control
Regulation of Private Gun Sales
In Norway, the private sale and transfer of firearms is prohibited.
well, thats' enough of that...
***********
Okay, since you want Norway's murder rate, you should want Norway's gun control.
Guns in Norway: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
better yet, lets take a look a norways gun murder rates before initiating these laws. Oh, I see they were low before too. these laws really haven't changed anything. the example you liberal idiots keep trying to push is like saying if people who don't go out in the sun apply sunscreen they will reduce their incidence of skin cancer.
How do you know what has or hasn't changed? You're an imbecile who wants zero gun control.
Well, well, well.....we just got the answer.
And, from Harvard, no less.
1. " A study published in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy this spring calls into question the conventional wisdom behind arguments for more strict gun control. Namely, the idea that fewer guns would equal less deadly violence.
2. Will a Harvard man listen to Harvard research?
Probably not, if the Harvard man is Barack Obama, and what Harvards saying flies in the face of liberal pieties and misconceptions and lies about gun ownership, gun violence and gun control...
3 .Like the recently reported CDC study about gun violence Obama commissioned himself, the message to gun grabbers is clear:
Theyre wrong.
4. A Harvard study released in the spring .... focused on the prevalence of gun ownership in the United States versus those strict gun-control countries in Europe the left is so fond of talking about.
5. Looking at historical patterns in the United States from the colonial and post-colonial days, and in Europe going back to the time before guns were even invented, ...a clear conclusion:
Nations with higher gun ownership rates do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership
a. Russia. Under communist rule, the former Soviet union was largely disarmed by the government for the better part of a century, has a homicide rate four times higher than the U.S.
6. .... if guns arent the true source of the problem, wed best be honest and open about that, so we can better focus on finding real solutions.
7. ... solutions have much more to do with reversing the breakdown of the two-parent family, and our cultures wide-armed embrace of moral relativism."
Harvard Study: Banning Guns Would Not Reduce Murder
8. "Heavily armed Norwegians, where gun ownership is highest in Western Europe, have the continents lowest homicide rate, researchers Don Kates and Gary Mauser wrote.
9. In the United States, homicide rates were relatively low, despite periods when firearms were widely available the colonial era, when Americans were the worlds most heavily armed population, the post-Civil War years, when the country was awash in surplus guns and filled with men trained to use them.
10. And today?
Communities where gun-ownership rates are highest are where the homicide rates are lowest,...."
Harvard study proves gun-grabbers? argument dead wrong - BizPac Review
How often are Liberals going to be proven wrong, and conservatives correct, before folks on the Left learn???
Avagadro's number comes to mind.....
I allready posted this in another thread but again it is not a Harvard study. If you would read it and do some research on the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy you would know this. Hell, the authors are not even from Harvard. It was published in a journal run by Harvard Law School conservative students and I am sure they pick studies to publish from across the nation that fit their agenda. To say this is a Harvard study is disengenuous.
"The Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy is published three times annually by the Harvard Society for Law & Public Policy, Inc., an organization of Harvard Law School students.
The Journal is one of the most widely circulated student-edited law reviews and the nations leading forum for conservative and libertarian legal scholarship."
Harvard JLPP
So basically it is a politically biased organization that picks studies to enhance their arguements. I'm sure there is a counter organization at Harvard that publishes left leaning acedemic studies.
The authors are not even from Harvard so how can it be a Harvard study:
* Don B. Kates (LL.B., Yale, 1966) is an American criminologist and constitutional
lawyer associated with the Pacific Research Institute, San Francisco. He may be contacted
at [email protected]; 360‐666‐2688; 22608 N.E. 269th Ave., Battle Ground,
WA 98604.
** Gary Mauser (Ph.D., University of California, Irvine, 1970) is a Canadian criminologist
and university professor at Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada.
He may be contacted at Gary Mauser, [email protected], and 604‐291‐3652.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Well, well, well.....we just got the answer.
And, from Harvard, no less.
1. " A study published in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy this spring calls into question the conventional wisdom behind arguments for more strict gun control. Namely, the idea that fewer guns would equal less deadly violence.
2. Will a Harvard man listen to Harvard research?
Probably not, if the Harvard man is Barack Obama, and what Harvards saying flies in the face of liberal pieties and misconceptions and lies about gun ownership, gun violence and gun control...
3 .Like the recently reported CDC study about gun violence Obama commissioned himself, the message to gun grabbers is clear:
Theyre wrong.
4. A Harvard study released in the spring .... focused on the prevalence of gun ownership in the United States versus those strict gun-control countries in Europe the left is so fond of talking about.
5. Looking at historical patterns in the United States from the colonial and post-colonial days, and in Europe going back to the time before guns were even invented, ...a clear conclusion:
Nations with higher gun ownership rates do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership
a. Russia. Under communist rule, the former Soviet union was largely disarmed by the government for the better part of a century, has a homicide rate four times higher than the U.S.
6. .... if guns arent the true source of the problem, wed best be honest and open about that, so we can better focus on finding real solutions.
7. ... solutions have much more to do with reversing the breakdown of the two-parent family, and our cultures wide-armed embrace of moral relativism."
Harvard Study: Banning Guns Would Not Reduce Murder
8. "Heavily armed Norwegians, where gun ownership is highest in Western Europe, have the continents lowest homicide rate, researchers Don Kates and Gary Mauser wrote.
9. In the United States, homicide rates were relatively low, despite periods when firearms were widely available the colonial era, when Americans were the worlds most heavily armed population, the post-Civil War years, when the country was awash in surplus guns and filled with men trained to use them.
10. And today?
Communities where gun-ownership rates are highest are where the homicide rates are lowest,...."
Harvard study proves gun-grabbers? argument dead wrong - BizPac Review
How often are Liberals going to be proven wrong, and conservatives correct, before folks on the Left learn???
Avagadro's number comes to mind.....
I allready posted this in another thread but again it is not a Harvard study. If you would read it and do some research on the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy you would know this. Hell, the authors are not even from Harvard. It was published in a journal run by Harvard Law School conservative students and I am sure they pick studies to publish from across the nation that fit their agenda. To say this is a Harvard study is disengenuous.
"The Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy is published three times annually by the Harvard Society for Law & Public Policy, Inc., an organization of Harvard Law School students.
The Journal is one of the most widely circulated student-edited law reviews and the nations leading forum for conservative and libertarian legal scholarship."
Harvard JLPP
So basically it is a politically biased organization that picks studies to enhance their arguements. I'm sure there is a counter organization at Harvard that publishes left leaning acedemic studies.
The authors are not even from Harvard so how can it be a Harvard study:
* Don B. Kates (LL.B., Yale, 1966) is an American criminologist and constitutional
lawyer associated with the Pacific Research Institute, San Francisco. He may be contacted
at [email protected]; 360‐666‐2688; 22608 N.E. 269th Ave., Battle Ground,
WA 98604.
** Gary Mauser (Ph.D., University of California, Irvine, 1970) is a Canadian criminologist
and university professor at Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada.
He may be contacted at Gary Mauser, [email protected], and 604‐291‐3652.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Is your post aimed, no pun intended, at disproving the study?
The CDC has come to the same conclusion as the authors.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/rr/rr5214.pdf
The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes.
Is that a yes or a no?
Let me repeat the question:
Then I take it you believe that a convicted bank robber, on the day he gets out of prison, should be able to go buy an AR-15 the same day,
no questions asked?
A wise woman has said "No amount of logic, experience, nor data will convince a Liberal."
Let's see how the Liberal gun control agenda has worked out.
It's values and morality...not an issue of guns laws. The following will illustrate why Liberals should never be allowed in any position of power.
My first witness: Anderson Baker
1. "CAMDEN, N.J. Anderson Baker lives in a state with a litany of gun regulations. But no law stopped him from becoming a teenage drug dealer who could easily acquire, and use, his weapon of choice..... the legislative approach to reducing gun violence... would do little to stem violence.... Dozens of frustrated city leaders, residents, law enforcement officials and other experts interviewed by USA TODAY echo the conclusion that the blood running in Camdens streets isnt just about gun laws.
a. ... the focus was not on gun laws but on long-standing issues that fed Bakers struggles: a failing education system, a dearth of jobs and a street culture that rewards and even encourages criminal behavior.... You have this paradox in that New Jersey has arguably the toughest gun laws in the nation yet has a city within it that has gun violence at Third World country rates.
2. . All these laws do is retard law-abiding people in New Jersey from having guns to protect themselves, said Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation, a non-profit group based in Bellevue, Wash., that supports lessening gun regulations. He said authorities should focus on arresting criminals rather than toughening laws..."
New Jersey gun laws don?t curb violence in Camden | Yamiche Alcindor
Camden, New Jersey: just one more Liberal 'success.'
The fact that we have children molested every day in this country, despite laws against it,
is not an argument for getting rid of laws against child molesting.
I allready posted this in another thread but again it is not a Harvard study. If you would read it and do some research on the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy you would know this. Hell, the authors are not even from Harvard. It was published in a journal run by Harvard Law School conservative students and I am sure they pick studies to publish from across the nation that fit their agenda. To say this is a Harvard study is disengenuous.
"The Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy is published three times annually by the Harvard Society for Law & Public Policy, Inc., an organization of Harvard Law School students.
The Journal is one of the most widely circulated student-edited law reviews and the nations leading forum for conservative and libertarian legal scholarship."
Harvard JLPP
So basically it is a politically biased organization that picks studies to enhance their arguements. I'm sure there is a counter organization at Harvard that publishes left leaning acedemic studies.
The authors are not even from Harvard so how can it be a Harvard study:
* Don B. Kates (LL.B., Yale, 1966) is an American criminologist and constitutional
lawyer associated with the Pacific Research Institute, San Francisco. He may be contacted
at [email protected]; 360‐666‐2688; 22608 N.E. 269th Ave., Battle Ground,
WA 98604.
** Gary Mauser (Ph.D., University of California, Irvine, 1970) is a Canadian criminologist
and university professor at Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada.
He may be contacted at Gary Mauser, [email protected], and 604‐291‐3652.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Is your post aimed, no pun intended, at disproving the study?
The CDC has come to the same conclusion as the authors.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/rr/rr5214.pdf
The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes.
No, but it's fun to catch you lying.
