Would you favor Trump dismissing all Dept. of Education Employees, effectively shutting it down?

Should Trump dismiss all DoE personnel and shut it down?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 55 90.2%
  • No.

    Votes: 5 8.2%
  • That is unconstitutional.

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    61
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


Yeah, that’s true. But lots of federal dollars go into public schools and it needs to stop because it gets squandered on bull shit. Come on down to NASA. Sit over here at Millers burger joint and listen to all the engineers talk. It’s not English they speak, it’s Chinese, or whatever the hell they speak in India and Pakistan. I stand by my statement on the kids. American children are stupid, lazy and spoiled rotten, not to mention soft and weak. The children in the countries I mentioned are America’s future, not the soft little weak things dwelling in safe spaces in their red flannel shirts and man buns. There just isn’t any comparison between the two.
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

Prosecutors went after tRump with laws established by the Department of Education. Why do you think tRump wants pay-backs?
 
thats a stretch at best,,,

and the constitution as per the 10th amendment isnt about what they are banned from doing but what they are delegated/allowed to do,,and education isnt there


well
I'm a progressive moron (no doubt you are hunting me)

but it seems to me,
regardless of what the constitution does or does not say about education,
that it makes a LOT of sense for every student in the USA to be educated in a similar fashion; same language, same history. As others have stated: minimum standards that we can all agree on.

if we only go by the constitution
and we refuse to allow ANYTHING that isn't actually CONDONED by the constitution
we won't be able to do anything but fire off our guns and mouths.

Many people (conservative christians) would like to set (in law) STANDARDS of marriage (one man, one woman) but THAT isn't in the constitution, either.

The constitution is a fine document but it didn't cover everything.

I don't believe that people living today should be bound by the dictates of men who died 200 years ago.

Seems to me that the living have every right to decide for themselves.


you are aware the states can and should take up these issues???

and we all know the best government is that closest to the people,,,

imagine if you lived in arizona and wanted to personally file a grievance against a specific issue,,,which is easier going to washington dc or going to phoenix???,,2000 miles verses maybe a cpl hundred miles

not to mention the overload of 320 million people going to one place

I think those dead guys did a good job that can last another 230 yrs


and if the people of today want to decide different they can,,,just change the law,,,,
There is no doubt that local government is best when dealing local issues. However, the problem is the number of purely local issues are declining and becoming national or regional issues as we become more of a nation and less a confederation of states.

When the nation was founded only 1 in 50 people would every live outside of the state they were born. In fact. most people never travel outside of their home state. States were more like autonomous nations than the United States. There was no need for the federal government to do anything other that regulated foreign trade and provide for the defense. However, that is not how we live today. How can a state deal with telecommunications, financial services, electronic commerce, air and water pollution, cyber crime, climate change, and other issues which know no state boundaries? Is every state to develop their own response to national issues. That makes no sense.
the problem is to many people are worthless pansies that only want someone else to handle the problems they should be dealing with

there is no reason the feds should do anything but what they are required to do in the constitution,,,
FOR FUCKS SAKE THEY CANT EVEN GET THAT RIGHT,,,
and you want them to do more???

what are you a fucking moron???

sorry lost it for a second,,,but my point stands,,,
when the feds stop fucking things up then we can discuss more
Government fucks things up because it's government. It doesn't matter whether it federal, state, or local. The only reason you aren't complaining about state and local goverment is so much of the work is done at the federal level. Duplicate what the fed does in all 50 states and you would have 50 times the problems we have now. In every state there would be a food stamp program, low income housing program, Medicare, OSHA, a census bureau, state equivalents of the FDIC, SEC, federal reserve, and greatly enhanced state departments of education since they would handling the equivalent of federal financial student aid. Also every state's environmental protection would be expanded. And then there's thousands of federal laws that the states would have passed and enforce. And this is just for starters. The weak treatment of immigration in the Constitution would leave enforcement, regulations to the states. One state might have open borders and the neighboring keeps might keep their borders closed.

However, the biggest problem other than duplication of effort and cost would be the lack of standardization. Businesses operating nationwide would in effect be dealing with 50 different countries.

If that sounds unworkable, it is which is why we have a large federal government. If the federal government adhered to the constitution without any interpretation, the country as it is today would not exist. The United States would be similar to EU providing for the common defense and trade treaties.


ih you're argument is flawed, if you're correct then the feds should run everything. the reason local govt is better is it's closer to the people where they live.
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

Prosecutors went after tRump with laws established by the Department of Education. Why do you think tRump wants pay-backs?


sorry I wont waste my time with trump,,,hes a dead issue on this topic,,,the topic is dept of ed and its constitutional authority
 
The same applies to the above. If your only argument is that it may be abused, then we might as well all start our own horde and ride the plains seeking pillage targets.

There is a role for a Dept of Ed at the federal level, to supply minimum general requirements for schooling.
My argument is not that it may be abused. It HAS been abused. Repeatedly. The best indicator of future conduct is past conduct.

Why must the federal government establish minimum general requirements for schooling? Either I am is failing to see the need or you are failing to communicate it.
Because when kids graduate we dont want them as stupid as Trump, the poster boy for what happens when your daddy pays for your grades.

Or maybe you want to volunteer for that poster as a dipshit Trump voter?
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

Education being attacked by conservatives is the reason for it decline.
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

Prosecutors went after tRump with laws established by the Department of Education. Why do you think tRump wants pay-backs?


sorry I wont waste my time with trump,,,hes a dead issue on this topic,,,the topic is dept of ed and its constitutional authority


They don’t have any constitutional authority. Haven’t seen it anywhere in it.
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

The Department of Education DOES NOT RUN SCHOOLS. Schools are run at the State and local level.
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

Education being attacked by conservatives is the reason for it decline.


no its not,,,and that is proven by the fact the left has been running it for 50yrs,,,and that just happens to be the timeline for its decline,,,,
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

The constitution does not not allow federal input.
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

The Department of Education DOES NOT RUN SCHOOLS. Schools are run at the State and local level.
the feds are the over riding power and dictate through money,,,,the locals only run the day to day and have little power over the curriculum and policy,,,
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


Yeah, that’s true. But lots of federal dollars go into public schools and it needs to stop because it gets squandered on bull shit. Come on down to NASA. Sit over here at Millers burger joint and listen to all the engineers talk. It’s not English they speak, it’s Chinese, or whatever the hell they speak in India and Pakistan. I stand by my statement on the kids. American children are stupid, lazy and spoiled rotten, not to mention soft and weak. The children in the countries I mentioned are America’s future, not the soft little weak things dwelling in safe spaces in their red flannel shirts and man buns. There just isn’t any comparison between the two.

If you believe that federal monies are being "squandered" then you need to address that with the States and locals.

The H1B program signed into law by daddy bush is the reason you don't have American Engineers. Now fucking tRump wants to make them American citizens. And you probably voted for that fuck.

American children aren't stupid you commie! I have 450 employees ALL former American children, all of which are the best employees an employer can ask for. BE AMERICA ASSHOLE!!!! Quit voting for these H1B provocateurs.
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

Prosecutors went after tRump with laws established by the Department of Education. Why do you think tRump wants pay-backs?


sorry I wont waste my time with trump,,,hes a dead issue on this topic,,,the topic is dept of ed and its constitutional authority

Dear short-bus, the Thread Title is:
Would you favor Trump dismissing all Dept. of Education Employees, effectively shutting it down?
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

Education being attacked by conservatives is the reason for it decline.


no its not,,,and that is proven by the fact the left has been running it for 50yrs,,,and that just happens to be the timeline for its decline,,,,

Would you favor Trump dismissing all Dept. of Education Employees, effectively shutting it down?
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

The Department of Education DOES NOT RUN SCHOOLS. Schools are run at the State and local level.
the feds are the over riding power and dictate through money,,,,the locals only run the day to day and have little power over the curriculum and policy,,,

Curriculum and policy are set at the State and local level with minimum requirements from the feds. One good example; the abolishment of all white public schools run by southern States.
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,
The primary controls on local school boards is the state not the federal goverment. 92% of the funds to run schools comes from either local or state tax payers with only 8% from the federal government. Most of that 8% goes to states to support various grants and programs which the state distributes to the schools.

So in what circumstances does the federal department of education interact with public schools? In short very little. There primary role in regard to K-12 is assisting the state DOEs in setting standards, collecting and distributing national education data, enforcing civil rights laws in education, provides partial support for pre-school education, and providing competitive grants directly to schools.

If we abolished the department education there would be a huge impact on universities and community colleges as well about 1/3 of the college students who receive some form of financial aid. The huge college loan portfolio would still have to be managed by the federal government, and all state DOE would increase in size and responsibility.
 
Would you miss it?

What is the constitutional basis for the DoE?


Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,
The primary controls on local school boards is the state not the federal goverment. 92% of the funds to run schools comes from either local or state tax payers with only 8% from the federal government. Most of that 8% goes to states to support various grants and programs which the state distributes to the schools.

So in what circumstances does the federal department of education interact with public schools? In short very little. There primary role in regard to K-12 is assisting the state DOEs in setting standards, collecting and distributing national education data, enforcing civil rights laws in education, provides partial support for pre-school education, and providing competitive grants directly to schools.

If we abolished the department education there would be a huge impact on universities and community colleges as well about 1/3 of the college students who receive some form of financial aid. The huge college loan portfolio would still managed by the federal government, and all state DOE would increase in size and responsibility.
well the fact that it exist and tax money is being used,,,, ,,,,

The Department of Education is administered by the United States Secretary of Education. It has under 4,000 employees (2018) and an annual budget of $68 billion (2016).
United States Department of Education - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education
 
Yes. Public education as it is is a joke. China, India and Pakistan have more genus children then America has kids. Maybe not get rid of the DOE, but definitely purge it right down to the janitors.

Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

The Department of Education DOES NOT RUN SCHOOLS. Schools are run at the State and local level.
the feds are the over riding power and dictate through money,,,,the locals only run the day to day and have little power over the curriculum and policy,,,

Curriculum and policy are set at the State and local level with minimum requirements from the feds. One good example; the abolishment of all white public schools run by southern States.


Or, stop sending illegal aliens children to them so we can rebuild those southern schools. They only suck because they have to be dumbed down for wetback children. That, and many school districts are corrupt.
 
Public education is run at the local level, so if you have a problem with that.....that is where you should start.

China, India, and Pakistan have more genus children PER CAPITA than the US? The US has has 326M people. China, India have 2.53B with Pakistan having 197M.

The Department of Education has been in existence since 1953 with their efforts focusing on: Student Loans, Grants, Laws, and Data. It also goes after fraud in education such as tRump University.


as for trump U that was the prosecutors that went after him not the dept of ed,,,

and as we have seen education in this country has declined since the 60's so thats proof enough to show it doesnt work,,,

and the locals have very little control of what they can or cant do,,,

and of course there is the constitution that doesnt allow fed input,,,

The Department of Education DOES NOT RUN SCHOOLS. Schools are run at the State and local level.
the feds are the over riding power and dictate through money,,,,the locals only run the day to day and have little power over the curriculum and policy,,,

Curriculum and policy are set at the State and local level with minimum requirements from the feds. One good example; the abolishment of all white public schools run by southern States.


Or, stop sending illegal aliens children to them so we can rebuild those southern schools. They only suck because they have to be dumbed down for wetback children. That, and many school districts are corrupt.

....and there we go.

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