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Of the top issues that face this country, which do you think is more critical?And architects and nfineers designed them.They built the house you live in and the office building you work in.With all due respect to tradesmen, they aren’t doctors, engineers, scientists or architects.Thereby avoiding 100's of thousands of dollar of debt.
They would then get a trade and make 50 to100k per year without the debt.
The horror...
I respect tradesmen. But tradesmen did not plan the Apollo program, perform heart transplants, nfineer power plants, defend the accused in courts of law, nor teach those who did.
Do you have any need or respect for higher education?
New power plants?
New Doctors for heart transplants?
A New space program?
More Lawyers?
Rebuilding our infrastructure?
Because for the past three years, infrastructure has been the drumbeat of the left.
Guess who builds our infrastructure.
That's right. Those who work in the trades.
It would be wasted on you, but here is Mike talking with Ben Shapiro (Yeah, you'll immediately dismiss it, cause your educated) talking about all of that and more.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without engineers to design them.
I'm sorry you have such disregard for the professionals who design, heal, research and teach. Tradesmen are indispensable. But without those with higher education, tradesmen become repairmen, not builders.
Of the top issues that face this country, which do you think is more critical?And architects and nfineers designed them.They built the house you live in and the office building you work in.With all due respect to tradesmen, they aren’t doctors, engineers, scientists or architects.
I respect tradesmen. But tradesmen did not plan the Apollo program, perform heart transplants, nfineer power plants, defend the accused in courts of law, nor teach those who did.
Do you have any need or respect for higher education?
New power plants?
New Doctors for heart transplants?
A New space program?
More Lawyers?
Rebuilding our infrastructure?
Because for the past three years, infrastructure has been the drumbeat of the left.
Guess who builds our infrastructure.
That's right. Those who work in the trades.
It would be wasted on you, but here is Mike talking with Ben Shapiro (Yeah, you'll immediately dismiss it, cause your educated) talking about all of that and more.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without engineers to design them.
I'm sorry you have such disregard for the professionals who design, heal, research and teach. Tradesmen are indispensable. But without those with higher education, tradesmen become repairmen, not builders.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without a tradesman to pick up a shovel, a hammer, a rivet gun, a wrench. I'm sorry you think that college is the ONLY answer to life.
Of the top issues that face this country, which do you think is more critical?And architects and nfineers designed them.They built the house you live in and the office building you work in.
I respect tradesmen. But tradesmen did not plan the Apollo program, perform heart transplants, nfineer power plants, defend the accused in courts of law, nor teach those who did.
Do you have any need or respect for higher education?
New power plants?
New Doctors for heart transplants?
A New space program?
More Lawyers?
Rebuilding our infrastructure?
Because for the past three years, infrastructure has been the drumbeat of the left.
Guess who builds our infrastructure.
That's right. Those who work in the trades.
It would be wasted on you, but here is Mike talking with Ben Shapiro (Yeah, you'll immediately dismiss it, cause your educated) talking about all of that and more.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without engineers to design them.
I'm sorry you have such disregard for the professionals who design, heal, research and teach. Tradesmen are indispensable. But without those with higher education, tradesmen become repairmen, not builders.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without a tradesman to pick up a shovel, a hammer, a rivet gun, a wrench. I'm sorry you think that college is the ONLY answer to life.
Itynot the only answer. But it's the indispensable answer.
Of the top issues that face this country, which do you think is more critical?And architects and nfineers designed them.
I respect tradesmen. But tradesmen did not plan the Apollo program, perform heart transplants, nfineer power plants, defend the accused in courts of law, nor teach those who did.
Do you have any need or respect for higher education?
New power plants?
New Doctors for heart transplants?
A New space program?
More Lawyers?
Rebuilding our infrastructure?
Because for the past three years, infrastructure has been the drumbeat of the left.
Guess who builds our infrastructure.
That's right. Those who work in the trades.
It would be wasted on you, but here is Mike talking with Ben Shapiro (Yeah, you'll immediately dismiss it, cause your educated) talking about all of that and more.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without engineers to design them.
I'm sorry you have such disregard for the professionals who design, heal, research and teach. Tradesmen are indispensable. But without those with higher education, tradesmen become repairmen, not builders.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without a tradesman to pick up a shovel, a hammer, a rivet gun, a wrench. I'm sorry you think that college is the ONLY answer to life.
Itynot the only answer. But it's the indispensable answer.
It is very disputable.
You must have been joking. No one is that stupid. The UN in UNICEF kind of gives it away.that's a stupid statement!UNICEF is not a government department. It's part of the UN.YES. all departments yes. ABOLISH all government departments including UNICEF!
Although the Department is a relative newcomer among Cabinet-level agencies, its origins goes back to 1867, when President Andrew Johnson signed legislation creating the first Department of Education. Its main purpose was to collect information and statistics about the nation's schools. However, due to concern that the Department would exercise too much control over local schools, the new Department was demoted to an Office of Education in 1868. In the 1950's with college enrollment increasing and concern over Sputnik then the race to moon in 60's, federal growth in education skyrocket returning the Office of Education to the cabinet.The department of education was only established in 1979. We gave it a good try. It didn't work.
Of the top issues that face this country, which do you think is more critical?
New power plants?
New Doctors for heart transplants?
A New space program?
More Lawyers?
Rebuilding our infrastructure?
Because for the past three years, infrastructure has been the drumbeat of the left.
Guess who builds our infrastructure.
That's right. Those who work in the trades.
It would be wasted on you, but here is Mike talking with Ben Shapiro (Yeah, you'll immediately dismiss it, cause your educated) talking about all of that and more.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without engineers to design them.
I'm sorry you have such disregard for the professionals who design, heal, research and teach. Tradesmen are indispensable. But without those with higher education, tradesmen become repairmen, not builders.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without a tradesman to pick up a shovel, a hammer, a rivet gun, a wrench. I'm sorry you think that college is the ONLY answer to life.
Itynot the only answer. But it's the indispensable answer.
It is very disputable.
I said 'indispensable '.
Why do you have such contempt for higher education? Do you think a plumber can repair your faulty heart valve? Do you think an electrician can design the bridge you drive across? Do you think a carpenter can research infectious diseases?
We absolutely need higher education if, for no other reason, to teach fools like you that skill sets extend only so far and the future is unattainable without highly educated citizens.
because fed law over rides state law its irrelevant,,,where does what call it?? legislator and congress are interchangeable,,,wheres it say that???Congress in the Constitution only means the Federal Congress. State legislatures are not congress.
Where does it call State legislatures congress?
I think they are simply saying that no laws can be made and since fed law overides state law its a mute point,,,NO LAWS CAN BE MADE
Congress in the Constitution is:
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
and here is article one talking about Congress and State legislatures separately.
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators.
[I don't understand that just because the Constitution doesn't mention "education" that a D of Ed is unconstitutional.
If Congress isn't given the power to create (x), then the creation of (x) violates the constitution.
Congress created the DoEd; congress does not have the power to create legislation dealing with education.
First off, it's not arugmentum ad absurdum. You are back to slippery slope and maybe the fallacy of composition.Most of those laws only apply (or should only apply) when you are physically present in the State. So I don't accept that allowing a small Dept of Ed forces all States to comply with the same laws and ruins and destroys the entire nation.
Argumentum ad abusrdum.
And, i never said it would destroy the entire nation. I said it would CONTINUE the process of usurping state sovereignty. We have already proved that past conduct (FedGov usurping state sovereignty) is indicative of future conduct. Otherwise, there is no logical reason for denying felons the right to own gun, right?
My argument is not that it may be abused. It HAS been abused. Repeatedly. The best indicator of future conduct is past conduct.The same applies to the above. If your only argument is that it may be abused, then we might as well all start our own horde and ride the plains seeking pillage targets.
There is a role for a Dept of Ed at the federal level, to supply minimum general requirements for schooling.
Why must the federal government establish minimum general requirements for schooling? Either I am is failing to see the need or you are failing to communicate it.
Lack of minimal standards would impact transfers of degrees as requirements between the States. It would allow States to reject diplomas from other States in objection to full faith and credit.
There is no prohibition in the constitution for it.
This already happens.
Mark
DUH!!!!because fed law over rides state law its irrelevant,,,where does what call it?? legislator and congress are interchangeable,,,wheres it say that???
Where does it call State legislatures congress?
I think they are simply saying that no laws can be made and since fed law overides state law its a mute point,,,NO LAWS CAN BE MADE
Congress in the Constitution is:
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
and here is article one talking about Congress and State legislatures separately.
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators.
words mean things.
Of the top issues that face this country, which do you think is more critical?
New power plants?
New Doctors for heart transplants?
A New space program?
More Lawyers?
Rebuilding our infrastructure?
Because for the past three years, infrastructure has been the drumbeat of the left.
Guess who builds our infrastructure.
That's right. Those who work in the trades.
It would be wasted on you, but here is Mike talking with Ben Shapiro (Yeah, you'll immediately dismiss it, cause your educated) talking about all of that and more.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without engineers to design them.
I'm sorry you have such disregard for the professionals who design, heal, research and teach. Tradesmen are indispensable. But without those with higher education, tradesmen become repairmen, not builders.
Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without a tradesman to pick up a shovel, a hammer, a rivet gun, a wrench. I'm sorry you think that college is the ONLY answer to life.
Itynot the only answer. But it's the indispensable answer.
It is very disputable.
I said 'indispensable '.
Why do you have such contempt for higher education? Do you think a plumber can repair your faulty heart valve? Do you think an electrician can design the bridge you drive across? Do you think a carpenter can research infectious diseases?
We absolutely need higher education if, for no other reason, to teach fools like you that skill sets extend only so far and the future is unattainable without highly educated citizens.
Where did you read in any of my posts I "look down on people who earn a journeyman position"? My posts here have been peppered with resp Ct for tradesmen.Again with the false statements? I don't have contempt for higher education. I have two degrees, and 15 credits toward My MBA.I said 'indispensable '.It is very disputable.Itynot the only answer. But it's the indispensable answer.Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without a tradesman to pick up a shovel, a hammer, a rivet gun, a wrench. I'm sorry you think that college is the ONLY answer to life.Not one pipe could be laid, not one power line could be installed, not one bridge could be built without engineers to design them.
I'm sorry you have such disregard for the professionals who design, heal, research and teach. Tradesmen are indispensable. But without those with higher education, tradesmen become repairmen, not builders.
Why do you have such contempt for higher education? Do you think a plumber can repair your faulty heart valve? Do you think an electrician can design the bridge you drive across? Do you think a carpenter can research infectious diseases?
We absolutely need higher education if, for no other reason, to teach fools like you that skill sets extend only so far and the future is unattainable without highly educated citizens.
Which is why I know that I don't ask a plumber to repair a faulty heart valve. I do ask one to repair My indoor plumbing, that is if I can find one. If you had bothered to do any research on this subject at all, you'd know that we have a gap in qualified and skilled tradespeople and millions of unfulfilled jobs in these trades. People can get very high paying jobs, have very satisfying lives, and be happy in life without the massive crushing debt that is associated with degrees that provide no training for jobs that the graduates won't have.
The truth is, educated is not trained and many degreed people are not working in the fields they have a degree for.
I think that higher education is very dispensable for 80% of the country.
People like you are the reason we have an education funding crisis and why people are in unneeded debt.
You look down on people who earn a journeyman position in the trades and treat them as some kind of 'loser' in life's lottery.
Hey, I'll tell you what though, the next time you need a broken pipe fixed, call your family doctor.
My argument is not that it may be abused. It HAS been abused. Repeatedly. The best indicator of future conduct is past conduct.The same applies to the above. If your only argument is that it may be abused, then we might as well all start our own horde and ride the plains seeking pillage targets.
There is a role for a Dept of Ed at the federal level, to supply minimum general requirements for schooling.
Why must the federal government establish minimum general requirements for schooling? Either I am is failing to see the need or you are failing to communicate it.
Lack of minimal standards would impact transfers of degrees as requirements between the States. It would allow States to reject diplomas from other States in objection to full faith and credit.
There is no prohibition in the constitution for it.
This already happens.
Mark
I think you are talking about occupational certifications, not diplomas.
