Yet another school shooting

[2aguy]

They DO NOT WANT to fix the problem. they ONLY want to push their agenda. You know, I know AND THEY KNOW that the proposals they make won't stop one single mass shooting. They DO NOT CARE, they only want to deny the rights of others.

Specifically which rights will you be denied if we tighten up background checks, require 21 years of age and a 3 day waiting period?

Would a background check have stopped this shooting, Genius? Background checks do not stop criminals or mass shooters now....universal background checks won't stop them either since criminals will still use straw buyers or steal their guns, and mass shooters can already pass any background check.

The only reason you asshats want universal background checks is because you want gun registration...so when you get the power you know where to grab the guns....

And when I was 17 I could be sent over seas to kill for my country, but coming home I wouldn't be able to use a gun to protect my family....that is why raising the age to 21 is stupid...

How old was this shooter? 17. And he stole the shot gun and .38 revolver.....how did the background check and age limit stop him?

 

[2aguy]

Santa Fe High School shooting: Suspect in custody, assistant principal says - CNN

Details still breaking.

When will this end?

It will end when we put in the same level of security in schools that we have at EVERY sporting event.

But deMS-13 place less value on our children than they do on sports.

deMS-13 run the public schools, at every level. Note that school shootings rose with democrat control of the public schools - a direct correlation.

Great idea. Let's add a 25% excise tax on every gun sold, both new and used, and every bullet sold, so that we can pay for the metal detectors and armed security personnel at every school and college in the United States. And, if that does not cover the cost, we must take it from the Dept. of Defense budget, since it is their job to keep Americans safe.

How about a 70% tax on every Newspaper sold? Call it a "fucking liars tax." to fund this?

How about we tax CNN to pay for this, since the contribute nothing to society?

For books.... 1 dollar tax on each page....and 100 dollar a minute tax on all television and movie run times.......

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Coaches and other students tortured him verbally and mentally. Said he smelled bad, was fat and ugly, laughed at him, etc. So he snapped. I hope he got the ones that were doing it to him.

(Another student stated the guy was bullied by coaches and students. No surprise, that).

THAT...

Is the root of the cause.

(Looking at you, Wry Catcher)

Had he not had access to guns, ..., The fact is, if he was the target of bullies, he had alternatives. We know he had access to guns, do we know if he had access to counselors, parents he could talk to, or a favorite teacher? There is no singular explanation for his motivation. What we know is he had means and an opportunity.

Parents should share the blame in this, even charged for neglect big time if find out huge mistakes were made. If Dad or mom exposed their son to deadly weapons without regard, then he or she should share a cell next to their son for his actions.

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

Agreed.

It’s one thing to not advocate for such laws, but to actively oppose those laws is irresponsible and reprehensible.

11 states currently require firearms to be secured by a locking device; 28 states require gunowners to secure firearms away from children, either with a locking device “or in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure,” as Florida law requires.

The problem with the Florida statute and that of similar states is that however reasonable a person might be, he’s nonetheless prone to make mistakes.

Each gunowner must develop and follow a protocol of locking his guns away securely – with a trigger lock, in a safe, cable lock for semi-auto firearms, cylinder lock for revolvers, etc. – whether there are children in the home or not.

 

[miketx]

Coaches and other students tortured him verbally and mentally. Said he smelled bad, was fat and ugly, laughed at him, etc. So he snapped. I hope he got the ones that were doing it to him.

(Another student stated the guy was bullied by coaches and students. No surprise, that).

THAT...

Is the root of the cause.

(Looking at you, Wry Catcher)

Had he not had access to guns, ..., The fact is, if he was the target of bullies, he had alternatives. We know he had access to guns, do we know if he had access to counselors, parents he could talk to, or a favorite teacher? There is no singular explanation for his motivation. What we know is he had means and an opportunity.

Parents should share the blame in this, even charged for neglect big time if find out huge mistakes were made. If Dad or mom exposed their son to deadly weapons without regard, then he or she should share a cell next to their son for his actions.

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

Agreed.

It’s one thing to not advocate for such laws, but to actively oppose those laws is irresponsible and reprehensible.

11 states currently require firearms to be secured by a locking device; 28 states require gunowners to secure firearms away from children, either with a locking device “or in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure,” as Florida law requires.

The problem with the Florida statute and that of similar states is that however reasonable a person might be, he’s nonetheless prone to make mistakes.

Each gunowner must develop and follow a protocol of locking his guns away securely – with a trigger lock, in a safe, cable lock for semi-auto firearms, cylinder lock for revolvers, etc. – whether there are children in the home or not.

Just say no to gun banners.

 

[2aguy]

Coaches and other students tortured him verbally and mentally. Said he smelled bad, was fat and ugly, laughed at him, etc. So he snapped. I hope he got the ones that were doing it to him.

(Another student stated the guy was bullied by coaches and students. No surprise, that).

THAT...

Is the root of the cause.

(Looking at you, Wry Catcher)

Had he not had access to guns, ..., The fact is, if he was the target of bullies, he had alternatives. We know he had access to guns, do we know if he had access to counselors, parents he could talk to, or a favorite teacher? There is no singular explanation for his motivation. What we know is he had means and an opportunity.

Parents should share the blame in this, even charged for neglect big time if find out huge mistakes were made. If Dad or mom exposed their son to deadly weapons without regard, then he or she should share a cell next to their son for his actions.

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

Agreed.

It’s one thing to not advocate for such laws, but to actively oppose those laws is irresponsible and reprehensible.

11 states currently require firearms to be secured by a locking device; 28 states require gunowners to secure firearms away from children, either with a locking device “or in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure,” as Florida law requires.

The problem with the Florida statute and that of similar states is that however reasonable a person might be, he’s nonetheless prone to make mistakes.

Each gunowner must develop and follow a protocol of locking his guns away securely – with a trigger lock, in a safe, cable lock for semi-auto firearms, cylinder lock for revolvers, etc. – whether there are children in the home or not.

And those measures are already unConstitutional......Gun owners should do it, but anti gun extremists like you will not be happy with that.

 

[Pop23]

1. Studies by sources as reliable as Oxford University has shown that left untreated, suicide rates decrease NOT INCREASE.

The Oxford study only studied MILDLY depressed subjects. No value.

2. Guns were not used in many of these suicides. You have no evidence that without a gun they would not have used the dozens of other ways to commit suicide or murder

60% of suicides in the US involve guns.

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Also, guns are the most effective way to off ones self.

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What the fuck is that supposed to prove?

That your a jackass?

Well done Joe

The silliness that this debate has been hijacked by a cult started by a two bit huckster who couldn't write good science fiction.

Love how you sidestep

NO sidestep at all, buddy. You guys claim that drugs are the problem, but then you can't really prove it, other than saying that you heard some mass shooters were taking drugs that weren't working, maybe.

I can't prove what?

That this class of drug carries the FDA highest warning, The Black Box? Or that I can't prove that they are Black Boxed because of increased risk of Suicide and Homicide? Sorry Joe, it's been Proven.

I can't Prove that between 1000 and 1500 additional teen suicides are associated with the use of these each year? Sorry Joe, Scientific research, posted before, provided that proof. I thought you respected Science Joe. Now you don't? You realize that the teen suicide risk is A LARGE REASON THAT THE FDA PUT A BLACK BOX WARNING ON THEM!

I can't prove that they are extremely dangerous, to the point that an ENTIRE COUNTRY BANNED THEIR USE, EXCEPT IN EXTREME CASES, FOR CHILDREN? Um, England did this and have had ZERO mass school murders since their ban.

I can't prove there is an vastly disproportianate share of mass shooting done by this single small demographic of patients?
I think I can:

Here's a short list:

• Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

• Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

• Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

• Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

• Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

• Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

• Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

• Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

• A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

• Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

• A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

• Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

• TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

• Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

• James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

• Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

• Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

• Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

• Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

• Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

• Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

• Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

• Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

• Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

• Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

• Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

• Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

• Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

• Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

• Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

• Woody __, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

• A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

• Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

• Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

• Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

• Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

• Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

• Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

• What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az?

• What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado?

• What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or?

• What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct?

from: Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns

And that is partial list.

Go peddle these dangerous things elsewhere. The evidence is, at a minimal, shocking.

And from the Hero of the Left, Michael Moore:




Now what Joe?

Oh, and why would we allow the most irresponsible segment of our Society, TEENAGERS, anywhere near these?

8,000,000 of the most irresponsible citizens in this Country are taking this shit everyday Joe. EIGHT MILLION!

You can't possible think there is enough supervision for 8,000,000 Irresponsible teenagers!

You should be screaming for the heads of the AMA, not the NRA

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yeah, it's never "quite time" to talk about some sensible gun reforms. I believe you even agreed with mine earlier.
Thoughts & Prayers seem a little shallow at this point.

Wait...so ALL the tens of thousands of gun laws haven't stopped mentally ill people so far....but what...the "Next" round of laws will?
What YOU MEAN TO SAY IS TOTAL CONFISCATION IS YOUR FANTASY.

Well little bubba, what YOU need is to spend some time under a Dictator...maybe in North Korea or Venezuela.....or even China where saying the wrong thing can get a state sponsored bullet to the back of your skull. Maybe that's more to your liking.

But then, you'd probably orgasm if a dictator allowed you to lick the bottom of his or her boots clean after walking in a cow pasture.

Another post ^^^ from a vulgar and clearly unstable member of the echo chamber's NRA caucus. What can be gleaned from his first paragraph is it is okay to take all of those who suffer from one form or another of mental illness, and deny them the rights of liberty; and yet demand lassiez faire policy for guns as their absolute right.

The irony of this is that most of them a paranoid that their guns will one day be taken from them by a Democratic Majority. Thus, if these paranoid supporters of no gun controls, no way, get their way, their paranoia would make them unfit to own, possess or even have temporary custody or control of a firearm.

After seeing what the Demon-crats stand for, you dang right I'm keeping my firearms. They are the enablers of some bad stuff in this country, and any idiot can see this these days. If the Demon-crats enable bad to come against me, and they empower bad people to become emboldened against me, then I won't be empty handed if they attempt to harm me or my family before the law can get there to help me or my family.

They have basically taken the symbolic belt off of the hook (threw it away), and replaced it with time outs, everyone wins a trophy and such. They have destroyed the teachings of disipline by removing it from those who knew how to disipline before the leftist knew better than the most of us on the subject or so they thought.

No one says you can’t keep your firearms, including Democrats – to maintain otherwise is a lie.

Most conservatives are truly this stupid, that you think anyone believes your ridiculous lies.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Armed police officers are needed for every school.

Only way to prevent future tragedies.

Nonsense.

Not nonsense.

Educate yourself!



Feb 21, 2018
Mass shooting plot at SoCal high school allegedly thwarted by alert security guard

Yes, nonsense.

There are other ways to prevent future tragedies besides armed guards.

Indeed, such tragedies have occurred with armed SROs on site, so clearly it’s not the only way to prevent school shootings.

And given your ignorance and stupidity exhibited by your posts, you’re in no position to admonish others to ‘educate’ themselves.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Santa Fe High School shooting: Suspect in custody, assistant principal says - CNN

Details still breaking.

When will this end?

When kids stop treating each other like shit.

 

[hunarcy]

Yeah, it's never "quite time" to talk about some sensible gun reforms. I believe you even agreed with mine earlier.
Thoughts & Prayers seem a little shallow at this point.

Wait...so ALL the tens of thousands of gun laws haven't stopped mentally ill people so far....but what...the "Next" round of laws will?
What YOU MEAN TO SAY IS TOTAL CONFISCATION IS YOUR FANTASY.

Well little bubba, what YOU need is to spend some time under a Dictator...maybe in North Korea or Venezuela.....or even China where saying the wrong thing can get a state sponsored bullet to the back of your skull. Maybe that's more to your liking.

But then, you'd probably orgasm if a dictator allowed you to lick the bottom of his or her boots clean after walking in a cow pasture.

Another post ^^^ from a vulgar and clearly unstable member of the echo chamber's NRA caucus. What can be gleaned from his first paragraph is it is okay to take all of those who suffer from one form or another of mental illness, and deny them the rights of liberty; and yet demand lassiez faire policy for guns as their absolute right.

The irony of this is that most of them a paranoid that their guns will one day be taken from them by a Democratic Majority. Thus, if these paranoid supporters of no gun controls, no way, get their way, their paranoia would make them unfit to own, possess or even have temporary custody or control of a firearm.

After seeing what the Demon-crats stand for, you dang right I'm keeping my firearms. They are the enablers of some bad stuff in this country, and any idiot can see this these days. If the Demon-crats enable bad to come against me, and they empower bad people to become emboldened against me, then I won't be empty handed if they attempt to harm me or my family before the law can get there to help me or my family.

They have basically taken the symbolic belt off of the hook (threw it away), and replaced it with time outs, everyone wins a trophy and such. They have destroyed the teachings of disipline by removing it from those who knew how to disipline before the leftist knew better than the most of us on the subject or so they thought.

No one says you can’t keep your firearms, including Democrats – to maintain otherwise is a lie.

Most conservatives are truly this stupid, that you think anyone believes your ridiculous lies.

Speaking of ridiculous lies, the idea that Democrats don't support banning guns is the perfect example of a lie.

Dems introduce bill banning assault weapons

 

[bodecea]

Yeah, it's never "quite time" to talk about some sensible gun reforms. I believe you even agreed with mine earlier.
Thoughts & Prayers seem a little shallow at this point.

Wait...so ALL the tens of thousands of gun laws haven't stopped mentally ill people so far....but what...the "Next" round of laws will?
What YOU MEAN TO SAY IS TOTAL CONFISCATION IS YOUR FANTASY.

Well little bubba, what YOU need is to spend some time under a Dictator...maybe in North Korea or Venezuela.....or even China where saying the wrong thing can get a state sponsored bullet to the back of your skull. Maybe that's more to your liking.

But then, you'd probably orgasm if a dictator allowed you to lick the bottom of his or her boots clean after walking in a cow pasture.

Another post ^^^ from a vulgar and clearly unstable member of the echo chamber's NRA caucus. What can be gleaned from his first paragraph is it is okay to take all of those who suffer from one form or another of mental illness, and deny them the rights of liberty; and yet demand lassiez faire policy for guns as their absolute right.

The irony of this is that most of them a paranoid that their guns will one day be taken from them by a Democratic Majority. Thus, if these paranoid supporters of no gun controls, no way, get their way, their paranoia would make them unfit to own, possess or even have temporary custody or control of a firearm.

After seeing what the Demon-crats stand for, you dang right I'm keeping my firearms. They are the enablers of some bad stuff in this country, and any idiot can see this these days. If the Demon-crats enable bad to come against me, and they empower bad people to become emboldened against me, then I won't be empty handed if they attempt to harm me or my family before the law can get there to help me or my family.

They have basically taken the symbolic belt off of the hook (threw it away), and replaced it with time outs, everyone wins a trophy and such. They have destroyed the teachings of disipline by removing it from those who knew how to disipline before the leftist knew better than the most of us on the subject or so they thought.

The left feels that the government can tell you how to raise your children.

While the right supports people shooting them. See? I can play your silly game too.

 

[Pop23]

Armed police officers are needed for every school.

Only way to prevent future tragedies.

Nonsense.

Not nonsense.

Educate yourself!



Feb 21, 2018
Mass shooting plot at SoCal high school allegedly thwarted by alert security guard

Yes, nonsense.

There are other ways to prevent future tragedies besides armed guards.

Indeed, such tragedies have occurred with armed SROs on site, so clearly it’s not the only way to prevent school shootings.

And given your ignorance and stupidity exhibited by your posts, you’re in no position to admonish others to ‘educate’ themselves.

This seems appropriate, even though I posted it to another, it is what we need to do to stop these before they start. Ban the use of SSRI class antidepressant drugs being prescribed to children:

You can change Joe, to C_Clayton if it helps ya!



That this class of drug carries the FDA highest warning, The Black Box? Or that I can't prove that they are Black Boxed because of increased risk of Suicide and Homicide? Sorry Joe, it's been Proven.

I can't Prove that between 1000 and 1500 additional teen suicides are associated with the use of these each year? Sorry Joe, Scientific research, posted before, provided that proof. I thought you respected Science Joe. Now you don't? You realize that the teen suicide risk is A LARGE REASON THAT THE FDA PUT A BLACK BOX WARNING ON THEM!

I can't prove that they are extremely dangerous, to the point that an ENTIRE COUNTRY BANNED THEIR USE, EXCEPT IN EXTREME CASES, FOR CHILDREN? Um, England did this and have had ZERO mass school murders since their ban.

I can't prove there is an vastly disproportianate share of mass shooting done by this single small demographic of patients?
I think I can:

Here's a short list:

• Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

• Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

• Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

• Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

• Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

• Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

• Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

• Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

• A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

• Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

• A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

• Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

• TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

• Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

• James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

• Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

• Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

• Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

• Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

• Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

• Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

• Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

• Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

• Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

• Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

• Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

• Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

• Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

• Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

• Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

• Woody __, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

• A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

• Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

• Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

• Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

• Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

• Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

• Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

• What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az?

• What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado?

• What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or?

• What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct?

from: Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns

And that is partial list.

Go peddle these dangerous things elsewhere. The evidence is, at a minimal, shocking.

And from the Hero of the Left, Michael Moore:




Now what Joe?

Oh, and why would we allow the most irresponsible segment of our Society, TEENAGERS, anywhere near these?

8,000,000 of the most irresponsible citizens in this Country are taking this shit everyday Joe. EIGHT MILLION!

You can't possible think there is enough supervision for 8,000,000 Irresponsible teenagers!

You should be screaming for the heads of the AMA, not the NRA

 

[beagle9]

To all of those who worry that when they awake this morning and discovered their nightmare was for real, and all of their guns were missing, imagine how the mom and dad and siblings of those died who died yesterday is missing, and will for ever be missed and can never be replaced.

And imagine how relieved 2.4 million Americans are when they realize that the legal gun they own and carry or keep in their home kept violent criminals from raping, robbing or murdering them...imagine how their families feel that their loved ones are still safe because they had a legal gun to stop a violent criminal.... a criminal with a long history of crime and violence that people like you and the other democrats keep letting out of jail, even when they have repeat gun offenses...

2.4 million people, according to the CDC use their legal guns to stop violent criminals.... you want 2.4 million more victims of these animals.....

And again, lawn mowers kill more people each year than mass school shooters do.....do you want to ban lawn mowers?

Cars kill more people than all gun criminals do...do you want to ban cars?

They keep attacking guns or inanimate objects because they can't face the reality of what they have done to this country now. They will never face or accept the facts of what their ideologies has long since produced.

 

[2aguy]

Yeah, it's never "quite time" to talk about some sensible gun reforms. I believe you even agreed with mine earlier.
Thoughts & Prayers seem a little shallow at this point.

Wait...so ALL the tens of thousands of gun laws haven't stopped mentally ill people so far....but what...the "Next" round of laws will?
What YOU MEAN TO SAY IS TOTAL CONFISCATION IS YOUR FANTASY.

Well little bubba, what YOU need is to spend some time under a Dictator...maybe in North Korea or Venezuela.....or even China where saying the wrong thing can get a state sponsored bullet to the back of your skull. Maybe that's more to your liking.

But then, you'd probably orgasm if a dictator allowed you to lick the bottom of his or her boots clean after walking in a cow pasture.

Another post ^^^ from a vulgar and clearly unstable member of the echo chamber's NRA caucus. What can be gleaned from his first paragraph is it is okay to take all of those who suffer from one form or another of mental illness, and deny them the rights of liberty; and yet demand lassiez faire policy for guns as their absolute right.

The irony of this is that most of them a paranoid that their guns will one day be taken from them by a Democratic Majority. Thus, if these paranoid supporters of no gun controls, no way, get their way, their paranoia would make them unfit to own, possess or even have temporary custody or control of a firearm.

After seeing what the Demon-crats stand for, you dang right I'm keeping my firearms. They are the enablers of some bad stuff in this country, and any idiot can see this these days. If the Demon-crats enable bad to come against me, and they empower bad people to become emboldened against me, then I won't be empty handed if they attempt to harm me or my family before the law can get there to help me or my family.

They have basically taken the symbolic belt off of the hook (threw it away), and replaced it with time outs, everyone wins a trophy and such. They have destroyed the teachings of disipline by removing it from those who knew how to disipline before the leftist knew better than the most of us on the subject or so they thought.

No one says you can’t keep your firearms, including Democrats – to maintain otherwise is a lie.

Most conservatives are truly this stupid, that you think anyone believes your ridiculous lies.

You mean except for the entire leadership of the democrat party? The democrats at the CNN town hall where they screamed they want to ban all semi automatic weapons...or the democrats carrying the signs that said they want to ban semi automatic weapons and repeal the 2nd Amendment at the anti gun rallies and the democrat Supreme Court Justices who want to repeal the 2nd Amendment..you meand except for them...right?

 

[Pop23]

Yeah, it's never "quite time" to talk about some sensible gun reforms. I believe you even agreed with mine earlier.
Thoughts & Prayers seem a little shallow at this point.

Wait...so ALL the tens of thousands of gun laws haven't stopped mentally ill people so far....but what...the "Next" round of laws will?
What YOU MEAN TO SAY IS TOTAL CONFISCATION IS YOUR FANTASY.

Well little bubba, what YOU need is to spend some time under a Dictator...maybe in North Korea or Venezuela.....or even China where saying the wrong thing can get a state sponsored bullet to the back of your skull. Maybe that's more to your liking.

But then, you'd probably orgasm if a dictator allowed you to lick the bottom of his or her boots clean after walking in a cow pasture.

Another post ^^^ from a vulgar and clearly unstable member of the echo chamber's NRA caucus. What can be gleaned from his first paragraph is it is okay to take all of those who suffer from one form or another of mental illness, and deny them the rights of liberty; and yet demand lassiez faire policy for guns as their absolute right.

The irony of this is that most of them a paranoid that their guns will one day be taken from them by a Democratic Majority. Thus, if these paranoid supporters of no gun controls, no way, get their way, their paranoia would make them unfit to own, possess or even have temporary custody or control of a firearm.

After seeing what the Demon-crats stand for, you dang right I'm keeping my firearms. They are the enablers of some bad stuff in this country, and any idiot can see this these days. If the Demon-crats enable bad to come against me, and they empower bad people to become emboldened against me, then I won't be empty handed if they attempt to harm me or my family before the law can get there to help me or my family.

They have basically taken the symbolic belt off of the hook (threw it away), and replaced it with time outs, everyone wins a trophy and such. They have destroyed the teachings of disipline by removing it from those who knew how to disipline before the leftist knew better than the most of us on the subject or so they thought.

The left feels that the government can tell you how to raise your children.

While the right supports people shooting them. See? I can play your silly game too.

Obviously you think the right supports the AMA and their members prescribing SSRI drugs to those causing this shit, Right?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Santa Fe High School shooting: Suspect in custody, assistant principal says - CNN

Details still breaking.

When will this end?

Right here in the middle of gun country, Texans call for more guns in the schools. I say let's arm the students. Oh, I guess they're already armed. Well then let's arm the teachers. Maybe Mrs. Jones with a 45 strapped to her side can bring order to her third grade class.

The ‘good guy with a gun’ myth is in fact a myth.

Citizens have the right to carry firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – not to act in the capacity of law enforcement, to deter crime, or to prevent school shootings.

 

[beagle9]

Coaches and other students tortured him verbally and mentally. Said he smelled bad, was fat and ugly, laughed at him, etc. So he snapped. I hope he got the ones that were doing it to him.

(Another student stated the guy was bullied by coaches and students. No surprise, that).

THAT...

Is the root of the cause.

(Looking at you, Wry Catcher)

Had he not had access to guns, ..., The fact is, if he was the target of bullies, he had alternatives. We know he had access to guns, do we know if he had access to counselors, parents he could talk to, or a favorite teacher? There is no singular explanation for his motivation. What we know is he had means and an opportunity.

Parents should share the blame in this, even charged for neglect big time if find out huge mistakes were made. If Dad or mom exposed their son to deadly weapons without regard, then he or she should share a cell next to their son for his actions.

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

Agreed.

It’s one thing to not advocate for such laws, but to actively oppose those laws is irresponsible and reprehensible.

11 states currently require firearms to be secured by a locking device; 28 states require gunowners to secure firearms away from children, either with a locking device “or in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure,” as Florida law requires.

The problem with the Florida statute and that of similar states is that however reasonable a person might be, he’s nonetheless prone to make mistakes.

Each gunowner must develop and follow a protocol of locking his guns away securely – with a trigger lock, in a safe, cable lock for semi-auto firearms, cylinder lock for revolvers, etc. – whether there are children in the home or not.

I can agree with this..

 

[beagle9]

Santa Fe High School shooting: Suspect in custody, assistant principal says - CNN

Details still breaking.

When will this end?

Right here in the middle of gun country, Texans call for more guns in the schools. I say let's arm the students. Oh, I guess they're already armed. Well then let's arm the teachers. Maybe Mrs. Jones with a 45 strapped to her side can bring order to her third grade class.

The ‘good guy with a gun’ myth is in fact a myth.

Citizens have the right to carry firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – not to act in the capacity of law enforcement, to deter crime, or to prevent school shootings.

Good grief... Quit making a fool of yourself on occasion.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Santa Fe High School shooting: Suspect in custody, assistant principal says - CNN

Details still breaking.

When will this end?

When we decide that giving our kids SSRI antidepressants is a really really bad idea.

Until then, it won't

EXACTLY. We dwell on the tools of the tragedy rather than the causes. To me at least, it's rather simple, what causes someone to even think about doing this?

 

[JBond]

Obviously....duh.... security at schools need to be made to resemble federal government buildings. Time for people to buckle up their chin straps. Highly trained security. The kids will get used to it. Or we can continue to play makey-uppey let's continue to navigate in Disney.

Went to school overseas 0 mass shooting, heck 0 shooting...God damn it 0 shooting outside school...fuck 0 shooting in malls, streets, or public places....you know why? Because it was a gun free country. I dont know anyone who knew anyone who saw a gun. Its doable Merica , it ain't the 1800s.

Pure fantasy. Completely made up.