Yet Another Toddler Accidentally Shot And Killed His Mother

[Brain357]

Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate

 

[2aguy]

Oh.....please...tell us how the anti gun group is giving out accurate information...this will be a first time for that group.....

I quickly found several examples that occurred recently. And as you know accidents are going up dramatically.

WRong...they have been going down, not up.

505 to 586 is going up idiot.

First....you need to link to an actual government source for that number...which you have not.

Taking that number for now......

320,000,000 million guns.....505 accidental gun deaths.

357,000,000 million guns 586 accidental gun deaths.

Increase in guns in private hands....

37,000,000 million guns.

accidental gun death additions....81.

Accidental car deaths....35,000

Accidental drowning deaths...3,000


Your point is stupid.

Let me flesh this out even more.....to show how completely stupid your point is...

581 accidental gun deaths.......in total....with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...if that is the correct number since you haven't linked to the CDC final stats for 2014....or 2015....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands....505 accidental gun deaths

357 million guns in private hands... 581 accidental gun deaths.....

81 new accidental gun deaths for an increase in 37,000,000 million guns in private hands...

VS.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)
Gun Suicide: 21,175
Non gun suicide: 19,974

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

Yeah....you need to link to the direct page of that stat...like I do........

 

[Brain357]

Crime went down in states without concealed carry and low ownership rates. Why would you think guns had anything to do with it?

that's not responsive, and some of the things in the CCB might have decreased crime. the gun bans and Brady bill did not

why do you argue about issues that don't motivate you?

Lowering crime motivates me.

And you oppose concealed carry which helps lower the violent crime rate.

No it does not. Violent crime went up in WI since getting it.

And you are lying again...violent crime went up because of the policing policies of the democrat mayor.....he has undermined the police....and put out a policy of no chasing of criminals......so when criminals see cops, they run and can't be chased...they have realized this and it is causing hell in that city.

So policing effects crime rates, guns do not. Can you prove your claims about their policing? That would prove my point.

 

[Brain357]

I quickly found several examples that occurred recently. And as you know accidents are going up dramatically.

WRong...they have been going down, not up.

505 to 586 is going up idiot.

First....you need to link to an actual government source for that number...which you have not.

Taking that number for now......

320,000,000 million guns.....505 accidental gun deaths.

357,000,000 million guns 586 accidental gun deaths.

Increase in guns in private hands....

37,000,000 million guns.

accidental gun death additions....81.

Accidental car deaths....35,000

Accidental drowning deaths...3,000


Your point is stupid.

Let me flesh this out even more.....to show how completely stupid your point is...

581 accidental gun deaths.......in total....with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...if that is the correct number since you haven't linked to the CDC final stats for 2014....or 2015....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands....505 accidental gun deaths

357 million guns in private hands... 581 accidental gun deaths.....

81 new accidental gun deaths for an increase in 37,000,000 million guns in private hands...

VS.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)
Gun Suicide: 21,175
Non gun suicide: 19,974

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

Yeah....you need to link to the direct page of that stat...like I do........

You need to search on that page. I've posted many links quoting the number and you can find it on the CDC page. Stop being a child.

 

[2aguy]

And yet crime continues. Why is that?

Crime is at historic lows thanks to the Bill Clinton crime bill.

Nope.......you forget to add that Americans carrying guns helped decrease the crime rate....locking up criminals is the best method...but for the ones on the loose, allowing people to carry guns....13 million people carrying now...and the crime rate went down...is the best on scene crime deterrent....

And of course this destroys the gun grabber myth that more guns in the hands of normal people leads to more gun crime......

Bill Clinton reduced crime with his crime bill. Guns do not effect crime rates.

2/3 of the research says you are wrong, the other 1/3 says concealed carry did nothing and 1 anti gun study said it increased the crime rat.......

And again....the entire premise of the anti gun position has been shown to be wrong...completely and utterly wrong..with no bearing in fact, truth or reality.....

Americans owning and carrying guns for self defense since the 1990s did not increase the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate or violent crime in general......and this decrease happened as more Americans owned and carried guns......the entire myth that more guns will mean more crime is wrong......

The anti gunners have no standing on this issue.....

Most of your research is from one disgraced economist. What study do you have that can be taken seriously?

Nope.....you guys can't deny his research so you say he is disgraced.....

Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops

The “Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States” report from the Crime Prevention Research Center released Wednesday analyzed parallels between a 22 percent drop in the overall violent crime rate in the same time period in which the percentage of the adult population with concealed carry permits soared by 130 percent.

The report finds that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, which are up from 4.5 million in 2007. This 146 percent increase parallels a nearly one-quarter (22 percent) drop in both murder and violent crime rates during the same time period.

Regarding right-to-carry laws as a form of deterrence to violent crime, the study authors note that the large majority of peer-reviewed academic studies conclude that permitted concealed handguns reduce violent crime.

Those debates center around those who claim concealed handgun permits reduce crime and those who say it has no effect. The CPRC report focuses on states that allow right-to-carry permits and states that don’t require permits for concealed weapons rather than just the amount of permits.

Additionally, the report notes that the number of concealed carry permit holders “is likely much higher than 11.1 million,” because numbers are not available for all statues that issue permits, such as New York. And four states and the vast majority of Montana don’t require residents to have a
---------
Although cautioning that nationwide “simple cross-sectional comparisons” can present misleading data, the report used new state -level permit data from 2007 on to determine that for each one percentage point increase in the percent of the U.S. adult population holding permits is roughly paralleled with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.

 

[2aguy]

And yet crime continues. Why is that?

Crime is at historic lows thanks to the Bill Clinton crime bill.

Nope.......you forget to add that Americans carrying guns helped decrease the crime rate....locking up criminals is the best method...but for the ones on the loose, allowing people to carry guns....13 million people carrying now...and the crime rate went down...is the best on scene crime deterrent....

And of course this destroys the gun grabber myth that more guns in the hands of normal people leads to more gun crime......

Bill Clinton reduced crime with his crime bill. Guns do not effect crime rates.

2/3 of the research says you are wrong, the other 1/3 says concealed carry did nothing and 1 anti gun study said it increased the crime rat.......

And again....the entire premise of the anti gun position has been shown to be wrong...completely and utterly wrong..with no bearing in fact, truth or reality.....

Americans owning and carrying guns for self defense since the 1990s did not increase the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate or violent crime in general......and this decrease happened as more Americans owned and carried guns......the entire myth that more guns will mean more crime is wrong......

The anti gunners have no standing on this issue.....

Most of your research is from one disgraced economist. What study do you have that can be taken seriously?

Here you go...again...all of the research....

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center



A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

The Concealed‐Handgun Debate, John R. Lott, Jr., Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

“On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation” by Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, Volume 72, Issue 5, pages 696–715, October 2010.

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

For the data errors in the one published paper by Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang that claims to find a bad effect from right-to-carry laws on aggravated assaults see this paper.

In addition, Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang have retracted their original claim that the my research could not be replicated. Their argument was that Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang could not replicate the replication work done by the National Research Council that had replicated my research.



In an Erratum note published in October 2012 they concede: “Subsequent to the publication of this article, members of the NRC panel demonstrated to the authors that the results in question were replicable if the authors used the data and statistical models described in Chapter 6 of the NRC (2004) report.”

 

[Brain357]

Crime is at historic lows thanks to the Bill Clinton crime bill.

Nope.......you forget to add that Americans carrying guns helped decrease the crime rate....locking up criminals is the best method...but for the ones on the loose, allowing people to carry guns....13 million people carrying now...and the crime rate went down...is the best on scene crime deterrent....

And of course this destroys the gun grabber myth that more guns in the hands of normal people leads to more gun crime......

Bill Clinton reduced crime with his crime bill. Guns do not effect crime rates.

2/3 of the research says you are wrong, the other 1/3 says concealed carry did nothing and 1 anti gun study said it increased the crime rat.......

And again....the entire premise of the anti gun position has been shown to be wrong...completely and utterly wrong..with no bearing in fact, truth or reality.....

Americans owning and carrying guns for self defense since the 1990s did not increase the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate or violent crime in general......and this decrease happened as more Americans owned and carried guns......the entire myth that more guns will mean more crime is wrong......

The anti gunners have no standing on this issue.....

Most of your research is from one disgraced economist. What study do you have that can be taken seriously?

Nope.....you guys can't deny his research so you say he is disgraced.....

Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops

The “Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States” report from the Crime Prevention Research Center released Wednesday analyzed parallels between a 22 percent drop in the overall violent crime rate in the same time period in which the percentage of the adult population with concealed carry permits soared by 130 percent.

The report finds that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, which are up from 4.5 million in 2007. This 146 percent increase parallels a nearly one-quarter (22 percent) drop in both murder and violent crime rates during the same time period.

Regarding right-to-carry laws as a form of deterrence to violent crime, the study authors note that the large majority of peer-reviewed academic studies conclude that permitted concealed handguns reduce violent crime.

Those debates center around those who claim concealed handgun permits reduce crime and those who say it has no effect. The CPRC report focuses on states that allow right-to-carry permits and states that don’t require permits for concealed weapons rather than just the amount of permits.

Additionally, the report notes that the number of concealed carry permit holders “is likely much higher than 11.1 million,” because numbers are not available for all statues that issue permits, such as New York. And four states and the vast majority of Montana don’t require residents to have a
---------
Although cautioning that nationwide “simple cross-sectional comparisons” can present misleading data, the report used new state -level permit data from 2007 on to determine that for each one percentage point increase in the percent of the U.S. adult population holding permits is roughly paralleled with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.

He is a joke proven to make shit up. If his study is your best you have nothing.

 

[Brain357]

Crime is at historic lows thanks to the Bill Clinton crime bill.

Nope.......you forget to add that Americans carrying guns helped decrease the crime rate....locking up criminals is the best method...but for the ones on the loose, allowing people to carry guns....13 million people carrying now...and the crime rate went down...is the best on scene crime deterrent....

And of course this destroys the gun grabber myth that more guns in the hands of normal people leads to more gun crime......

Bill Clinton reduced crime with his crime bill. Guns do not effect crime rates.

2/3 of the research says you are wrong, the other 1/3 says concealed carry did nothing and 1 anti gun study said it increased the crime rat.......

And again....the entire premise of the anti gun position has been shown to be wrong...completely and utterly wrong..with no bearing in fact, truth or reality.....

Americans owning and carrying guns for self defense since the 1990s did not increase the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate or violent crime in general......and this decrease happened as more Americans owned and carried guns......the entire myth that more guns will mean more crime is wrong......

The anti gunners have no standing on this issue.....

Most of your research is from one disgraced economist. What study do you have that can be taken seriously?

Here you go...again...all of the research....

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center



A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

The Concealed‐Handgun Debate, John R. Lott, Jr., Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

“On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation” by Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, Volume 72, Issue 5, pages 696–715, October 2010.

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

For the data errors in the one published paper by Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang that claims to find a bad effect from right-to-carry laws on aggravated assaults see this paper.

In addition, Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang have retracted their original claim that the my research could not be replicated. Their argument was that Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang could not replicate the replication work done by the National Research Council that had replicated my research.



In an Erratum note published in October 2012 they concede: “Subsequent to the publication of this article, members of the NRC panel demonstrated to the authors that the results in question were replicable if the authors used the data and statistical models described in Chapter 6 of the NRC (2004) report.”

I see disgraced Lott over and over and over...

 

[Brain357]

Shooting Down the Gun Lobby’s Favorite “Academic”: A Lott of Lies

 

[Auld Phart]

Oh.....please...tell us how the anti gun group is giving out accurate information...this will be a first time for that group.....

I quickly found several examples that occurred recently. And as you know accidents are going up dramatically.

WRong...they have been going down, not up.

505 to 586 is going up idiot.

First....you need to link to an actual government source for that number...which you have not.

Taking that number for now......

320,000,000 million guns.....505 accidental gun deaths.

357,000,000 million guns 586 accidental gun deaths.

Increase in guns in private hands....

37,000,000 million guns.

accidental gun death additions....81.

Accidental car deaths....35,000

Accidental drowning deaths...3,000


Your point is stupid.

Let me flesh this out even more.....to show how completely stupid your point is...

581 accidental gun deaths.......in total....with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...if that is the correct number since you haven't linked to the CDC final stats for 2014....or 2015....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands....505 accidental gun deaths

357 million guns in private hands... 581 accidental gun deaths.....

81 new accidental gun deaths for an increase in 37,000,000 million guns in private hands...

VS.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)
Gun Suicide: 21,175
Non gun suicide: 19,974

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

Clicked on your link.

Firearms aren't in the top 10

 

[Brain357]

Tim Lambert, a Computer Scientist at the University of New South Wales, wrote a massive, 47-page critique of Lott’s book. His paper revealed that the book title More Guns, Less Crime already gets everything about the gun debate wrong: there weren’t significantly more guns, there wasn’t less crime, and guns wouldn’t have caused the decrease in crime anyway.

The paper deserves a complete reading, but we’ll summarize just a few of Lott’s many missteps here:

In an audacious display of cherry-picking, Lott argues that there were “more guns” between 1977 to 1992 by choosing to examine two seemingly arbitrary surveys on gun ownership, and then sloppily applying a formula he devised to correct for survey limitations. Since 1959, however, there have been at least 86 surveys examining gun ownership, and none of them show any clear trend establishing a rise in gun ownership. Differences between surveys appear to be dependent almost entirely on sampling errors, question wordings, and people’s willingness to answer questions honestly.

 

[Auld Phart]

Nope.......you forget to add that Americans carrying guns helped decrease the crime rate....locking up criminals is the best method...but for the ones on the loose, allowing people to carry guns....13 million people carrying now...and the crime rate went down...is the best on scene crime deterrent....

And of course this destroys the gun grabber myth that more guns in the hands of normal people leads to more gun crime......

Bill Clinton reduced crime with his crime bill. Guns do not effect crime rates.

2/3 of the research says you are wrong, the other 1/3 says concealed carry did nothing and 1 anti gun study said it increased the crime rat.......

And again....the entire premise of the anti gun position has been shown to be wrong...completely and utterly wrong..with no bearing in fact, truth or reality.....

Americans owning and carrying guns for self defense since the 1990s did not increase the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate or violent crime in general......and this decrease happened as more Americans owned and carried guns......the entire myth that more guns will mean more crime is wrong......

The anti gunners have no standing on this issue.....

Most of your research is from one disgraced economist. What study do you have that can be taken seriously?

Nope.....you guys can't deny his research so you say he is disgraced.....

Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops

The “Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States” report from the Crime Prevention Research Center released Wednesday analyzed parallels between a 22 percent drop in the overall violent crime rate in the same time period in which the percentage of the adult population with concealed carry permits soared by 130 percent.

The report finds that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, which are up from 4.5 million in 2007. This 146 percent increase parallels a nearly one-quarter (22 percent) drop in both murder and violent crime rates during the same time period.

Regarding right-to-carry laws as a form of deterrence to violent crime, the study authors note that the large majority of peer-reviewed academic studies conclude that permitted concealed handguns reduce violent crime.

Those debates center around those who claim concealed handgun permits reduce crime and those who say it has no effect. The CPRC report focuses on states that allow right-to-carry permits and states that don’t require permits for concealed weapons rather than just the amount of permits.

Additionally, the report notes that the number of concealed carry permit holders “is likely much higher than 11.1 million,” because numbers are not available for all statues that issue permits, such as New York. And four states and the vast majority of Montana don’t require residents to have a
---------
Although cautioning that nationwide “simple cross-sectional comparisons” can present misleading data, the report used new state -level permit data from 2007 on to determine that for each one percentage point increase in the percent of the U.S. adult population holding permits is roughly paralleled with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.

He is a joke proven to make shit up. If his study is your best you have nothing.

Then he has a lot in common with EveryTown

 

[Brain357]

I quickly found several examples that occurred recently. And as you know accidents are going up dramatically.

WRong...they have been going down, not up.

505 to 586 is going up idiot.

First....you need to link to an actual government source for that number...which you have not.

Taking that number for now......

320,000,000 million guns.....505 accidental gun deaths.

357,000,000 million guns 586 accidental gun deaths.

Increase in guns in private hands....

37,000,000 million guns.

accidental gun death additions....81.

Accidental car deaths....35,000

Accidental drowning deaths...3,000


Your point is stupid.

Let me flesh this out even more.....to show how completely stupid your point is...

581 accidental gun deaths.......in total....with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...if that is the correct number since you haven't linked to the CDC final stats for 2014....or 2015....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands....505 accidental gun deaths

357 million guns in private hands... 581 accidental gun deaths.....

81 new accidental gun deaths for an increase in 37,000,000 million guns in private hands...

VS.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)
Gun Suicide: 21,175
Non gun suicide: 19,974

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

Clicked on your link.

Firearms aren't in the top 10

Didn't make that claim.

 

[2aguy]

Oh.....please...tell us how the anti gun group is giving out accurate information...this will be a first time for that group.....

I quickly found several examples that occurred recently. And as you know accidents are going up dramatically.

WRong...they have been going down, not up.

505 to 586 is going up idiot.

First....you need to link to an actual government source for that number...which you have not.

Taking that number for now......

320,000,000 million guns.....505 accidental gun deaths.

357,000,000 million guns 586 accidental gun deaths.

Increase in guns in private hands....

37,000,000 million guns.

accidental gun death additions....81.

Accidental car deaths....35,000

Accidental drowning deaths...3,000


Your point is stupid.

Let me flesh this out even more.....to show how completely stupid your point is...

581 accidental gun deaths.......in total....with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...if that is the correct number since you haven't linked to the CDC final stats for 2014....or 2015....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands....505 accidental gun deaths

357 million guns in private hands... 581 accidental gun deaths.....

81 new accidental gun deaths for an increase in 37,000,000 million guns in private hands...

VS.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

Okay twit....like a lawyer you asked a question without knowing the answr.....

From your link...

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

2014.....

Accidental gun deaths of children...up to 14....

Age 1-4......22

Age 5-9....14

Age 10-14... 12

Total: 48

2013 Total for the same ages.... 69

So the accidental gun death total from 2013-2014 went down by 21 children....as gun ownership went up...twit.

For 2013.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf



Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)

 

[Auld Phart]

WRong...they have been going down, not up.

505 to 586 is going up idiot.

First....you need to link to an actual government source for that number...which you have not.

Taking that number for now......

320,000,000 million guns.....505 accidental gun deaths.

357,000,000 million guns 586 accidental gun deaths.

Increase in guns in private hands....

37,000,000 million guns.

accidental gun death additions....81.

Accidental car deaths....35,000

Accidental drowning deaths...3,000


Your point is stupid.

Let me flesh this out even more.....to show how completely stupid your point is...

581 accidental gun deaths.......in total....with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...if that is the correct number since you haven't linked to the CDC final stats for 2014....or 2015....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands....505 accidental gun deaths

357 million guns in private hands... 581 accidental gun deaths.....

81 new accidental gun deaths for an increase in 37,000,000 million guns in private hands...

VS.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)
Gun Suicide: 21,175
Non gun suicide: 19,974

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

Clicked on your link.

Firearms aren't in the top 10

Didn't make that claim.

Then why did you supply that link?

 

[Brain357]

505 to 586 is going up idiot.

First....you need to link to an actual government source for that number...which you have not.

Taking that number for now......

320,000,000 million guns.....505 accidental gun deaths.

357,000,000 million guns 586 accidental gun deaths.

Increase in guns in private hands....

37,000,000 million guns.

accidental gun death additions....81.

Accidental car deaths....35,000

Accidental drowning deaths...3,000


Your point is stupid.

Let me flesh this out even more.....to show how completely stupid your point is...

581 accidental gun deaths.......in total....with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...if that is the correct number since you haven't linked to the CDC final stats for 2014....or 2015....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands....505 accidental gun deaths

357 million guns in private hands... 581 accidental gun deaths.....

81 new accidental gun deaths for an increase in 37,000,000 million guns in private hands...

VS.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)
Gun Suicide: 21,175
Non gun suicide: 19,974

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

Clicked on your link.

Firearms aren't in the top 10

Didn't make that claim.

Then why did you supply that link?

To show the total for 2014 obviously.

 

[2aguy]

My post 234 is hidden in the quotes...for easier reading...

Okay twit....like a lawyer you asked a question without knowing the answr.....

From your link...

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

2014.....

Accidental gun deaths of children...up to 14....

Age 1-4......22

Age 5-9....14

Age 10-14... 12

Total: 48

2013 Total for the same ages.... 69

So the accidental gun death total from 2013-2014 went down by 21 children....as gun ownership went up...twit.

For 2013.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf



Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)[/QUOTE]

 

[Brain357]

I quickly found several examples that occurred recently. And as you know accidents are going up dramatically.

WRong...they have been going down, not up.

505 to 586 is going up idiot.

First....you need to link to an actual government source for that number...which you have not.

Taking that number for now......

320,000,000 million guns.....505 accidental gun deaths.

357,000,000 million guns 586 accidental gun deaths.

Increase in guns in private hands....

37,000,000 million guns.

accidental gun death additions....81.

Accidental car deaths....35,000

Accidental drowning deaths...3,000


Your point is stupid.

Let me flesh this out even more.....to show how completely stupid your point is...

581 accidental gun deaths.......in total....with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...if that is the correct number since you haven't linked to the CDC final stats for 2014....or 2015....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands....505 accidental gun deaths

357 million guns in private hands... 581 accidental gun deaths.....

81 new accidental gun deaths for an increase in 37,000,000 million guns in private hands...

VS.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

Okay twit....like a lawyer you asked a question without knowing the answr.....

From your link...

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

2014.....

Accidental gun deaths of children...up to 14....

Age 1-4......22

Age 5-9....14

Age 10-14... 12

Total: 48

2013 Total for the same ages.... 69

So the accidental gun death total from 2013-2014 went down by 21 children....as gun ownership went up...twit.

For 2013.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf



Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)

And the total for accidental shooting deaths increased significantly.

 

[Auld Phart]

First....you need to link to an actual government source for that number...which you have not.

Taking that number for now......

320,000,000 million guns.....505 accidental gun deaths.

357,000,000 million guns 586 accidental gun deaths.

Increase in guns in private hands....

37,000,000 million guns.

accidental gun death additions....81.

Accidental car deaths....35,000

Accidental drowning deaths...3,000


Your point is stupid.

Let me flesh this out even more.....to show how completely stupid your point is...

581 accidental gun deaths.......in total....with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...if that is the correct number since you haven't linked to the CDC final stats for 2014....or 2015....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands....505 accidental gun deaths

357 million guns in private hands... 581 accidental gun deaths.....

81 new accidental gun deaths for an increase in 37,000,000 million guns in private hands...

VS.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)
Gun Suicide: 21,175
Non gun suicide: 19,974

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

Clicked on your link.

Firearms aren't in the top 10

Didn't make that claim.

Then why did you supply that link?

To show the total for 2014 obviously.

The total what?

deaths from the top 10 causes?

None of which are firearms?

 

[Brain357]

My post 234 is hidden in the quotes...for easier reading...

Okay twit....like a lawyer you asked a question without knowing the answr.....

From your link...

WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports

2014.....

Accidental gun deaths of children...up to 14....

Age 1-4......22

Age 5-9....14

Age 10-14... 12

Total: 48

2013 Total for the same ages.... 69

So the accidental gun death total from 2013-2014 went down by 21 children....as gun ownership went up...twit.

For 2013.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf



Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)

[/QUOTE]

You must hate children.