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My f15 pilot son stopped over and confirmed the F22, with refueling could quite comfortably make it from Langley to Libya in ten hours.
Go fuck yourselfs, as applicable.
You fucking dipshit...when is the last time an F22 got shot down. And who would have shot it down...the fucking Spaniards? The Greeks? Give it up...you have no clue.My f15 pilot son stopped over and confirmed the F22, with refueling could quite comfortably make it from Langley to Libya in ten hours.
Go fuck yourselfs, as applicable.
one more time Dip ... making it wasnt the issue ... A CJ could make it ..... crusing over no fly zones on the way draws attention ... its posibe you would either get an escort to the nearest airfield by other fighters or shot down for your effort ... the BIG picture plays the bad guy, not the F22.
apparently, you're not capable of seeing the big picture.
My f15 pilot son stopped over and confirmed the F22, with refueling could quite comfortably make it from Langley to Libya in ten hours.
Go fuck yourselfs, as applicable.
one more time Dip ... making it wasnt the issue ... A CJ could make it ..... crusing over no fly zones on the way draws attention ... its posibe you would either get an escort to the nearest airfield by other fighters or shot down for your effort ... the BIG picture plays the bad guy, not the F22.
apparently, you're not capable of seeing the big picture.
You fucking dipshit...when is the last time an F22 got shot down. And who would have shot it down...the fucking Spaniards? The Greeks? Give it up...you have no clue.My f15 pilot son stopped over and confirmed the F22, with refueling could quite comfortably make it from Langley to Libya in ten hours.
Go fuck yourselfs, as applicable.
one more time Dip ... making it wasnt the issue ... A CJ could make it ..... crusing over no fly zones on the way draws attention ... its posibe you would either get an escort to the nearest airfield by other fighters or shot down for your effort ... the BIG picture plays the bad guy, not the F22.
apparently, you're not capable of seeing the big picture.
Goddamn libtards are clueless
TROLLING ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
write her a warning westwall,
Who has no fly zones getting to Libya, Einstein?My f15 pilot son stopped over and confirmed the F22, with refueling could quite comfortably make it from Langley to Libya in ten hours.
Go fuck yourselfs, as applicable.
one more time Dip ... making it wasnt the issue ... A CJ could make it ..... crusing over no fly zones on the way draws attention ... its posibe you would either get an escort to the nearest airfield by other fighters or shot down for your effort ... the BIG picture plays the bad guy, not the F22.
apparently, you're not capable of seeing the big picture.
F-22 has the radar signature of a bumblebee, dufus.My f15 pilot son stopped over and confirmed the F22, with refueling could quite comfortably make it from Langley to Libya in ten hours.
Go fuck yourselfs, as applicable.
one more time Dip ... making it wasnt the issue ... A CJ could make it ..... crusing over no fly zones on the way draws attention ... its posibe you would either get an escort to the nearest airfield by other fighters or shot down for your effort ... the BIG picture plays the bad guy, not the F22.
apparently, you're not capable of seeing the big picture.
F-22 has the radar signature of a bumblebee, dufus.My f15 pilot son stopped over and confirmed the F22, with refueling could quite comfortably make it from Langley to Libya in ten hours.
Go fuck yourselfs, as applicable.
one more time Dip ... making it wasnt the issue ... A CJ could make it ..... crusing over no fly zones on the way draws attention ... its posibe you would either get an escort to the nearest airfield by other fighters or shot down for your effort ... the BIG picture plays the bad guy, not the F22.
apparently, you're not capable of seeing the big picture.
Technically true, but the distance is over 4500 NM and the cruise speed of an F-22 is about 1000 knots. While that looks like a simple 4.5 hour trip, lets not forget the pilots are strapped into a tight, single seat cockpit, not lounging in first class with food and a lavatory. They'd have to inflight refuel at least 4 times just to get there. That'd take about 10-30 minutes each depending upon how many aircraft in the flight. They'd have to loiter over the target for up to an hour then, where? Spend another 5-6 hours flying back? WTF?You Can Fly An F-22 From Washington D.C. To Libya
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Ten hours strapped to a seat is not "comfortable". Why send an F-22? Why not a B-1 loaded with cruise missiles? They could bring a lunch.My f15 pilot son stopped over and confirmed the F22, with refueling could quite comfortably make it from Langley to Libya in ten hours.
Go fuck yourselfs, as applicable.
Technically true, but the distance is over 4500 NM and the cruise speed of an F-22 is about 1000 knots. While that looks like a simple 4.5 hour trip, lets not forget the pilots are strapped into a tight, single seat cockpit, not lounging in first class with food and a lavatory. They'd have to inflight refuel at least 4 times just to get there. That'd take about 10-30 minutes each depending upon how many aircraft in the flight. They'd have to loiter over the target for up to an hour then, where? Spend another 5-6 hours flying back? WTF?You Can Fly An F-22 From Washington D.C. To Libya
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Specifications · Lockheed Martin
The problem with Benghazi wasn't that the political leadership didn't respond in a timely manner, but that they didn't have a fucking contingency plan in the first place. The entire friggin' country of Libya was an unstable mess. This type of attack could have happened anytime, so why weren't plans in place in case it did?
A well led, well supported operation would have had a few contingency plans which could have been executed once an attack took place. What happened instead was a lot of confuse, ass covering and "waiting to see".
Disagreed. Blackbird pilots had special equipment and days of prep for a single mission, not to mention recovery. Long flights strapped into a seat are difficult and not something one does on the spur of the moment unless the fate of the nation is at stake.Oh please.... Long flights aren't a big deal. As support here is an account of a SR-71 that flew a recon mission from Beale AFB in California to Egypt, and back. A single flight of 12,000 miles! Over a space of over ten hours.
"We completed a fifth 70,000lb air refueling near the Azores before the leisurely Mach 3 flight across the mid Atlantic with a landing at Seymour Johnson AFB North Carolina. We were met by 9th SRW download crews who had the photo and electronic intelligence equipment downloaded and on a dedicated AF courier flight to Washington DC and the National Photo Interpretation Center within twenty minutes. The flight covered 12,181 miles in 10 hours 49 minutes and included 6 hours 41 minutes of supersonic time and 5 air refuelings. After landing, I remember wondering what Charles Lindberg would have thought about the advancement of aviation technology in less than 50 years. The 9th SRW was tasked to fly nine missions of this type and completed them all successfully."
http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Articles/Jim_Wilson_Yom_Kippur_War_SR71_flight-25Jan10.pdf
Disagreed. Blackbird pilots had special equipment and days of prep for a single mission, not to mention recovery. Long flights strapped into a seat are difficult and not something one does on the spur of the moment unless the fate of the nation is at stake.Oh please.... Long flights aren't a big deal. As support here is an account of a SR-71 that flew a recon mission from Beale AFB in California to Egypt, and back. A single flight of 12,000 miles! Over a space of over ten hours.
"We completed a fifth 70,000lb air refueling near the Azores before the leisurely Mach 3 flight across the mid Atlantic with a landing at Seymour Johnson AFB North Carolina. We were met by 9th SRW download crews who had the photo and electronic intelligence equipment downloaded and on a dedicated AF courier flight to Washington DC and the National Photo Interpretation Center within twenty minutes. The flight covered 12,181 miles in 10 hours 49 minutes and included 6 hours 41 minutes of supersonic time and 5 air refuelings. After landing, I remember wondering what Charles Lindberg would have thought about the advancement of aviation technology in less than 50 years. The 9th SRW was tasked to fly nine missions of this type and completed them all successfully."
http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Articles/Jim_Wilson_Yom_Kippur_War_SR71_flight-25Jan10.pdf
Remember the FB-111 bombing mission from England to Libya in 1986? What would have been a 6-7 hour mission (that's out and back, not one way. You're talking about a 20 hour mission) turned into a 13-14 hour mission because France and Spain refused overflight of the aircraft to Libya. During the successful raid (not completely successful since an aircraft and crew were killed) the French Embassy was narrowly missed by an errant bomb. Comedian Sam Kinison made a joke about it when the French complained, "Well they would have done a better job if they'd been allowed to fly over your country and get more fucking sleep!" The bottom line is that 10 hour, much less 20 hour missions requiring a pilot to remain strapped in for the duration are not routine.
THE LIBYAN STRIKE: HOW THE AMERICANS DID IT
TAC's strike force of 24 Pave Tack equipped digital F-111Fs left its home base at RAF Lakenheath at 21.30 GMT on the 14th April, joining up over the sea south of England with 5 EF-111 A tactical jammers of the 42nd Electronic Combat Squadron based at RAF Upper Heyford. Due to various political considerations the governments of France, Spain and Italy denied permission for the US aircraft to overfly their territory thus forcing the one elevens to fly around Spain and through the straits of Gibraltar. This increased the distance covered from around 1,300nm to over 2,800nm and mission duration from 6-7 hours to 13-14 hours with major endurance implications for the mission.
How about them? Are you really willing to sacrifice a 33-71% loss rate? That's pretty generous of you with other people's lives.How about them P-51 Mustang pilots in WWII? Truly dude, long flights are the norm. They truly are. I just did a long range ferry flight from Carson City to Anchorage Alaska (with my wife and daughter for company) and it's not an issue.
Just checked on a flight from New York to Cairo. Egypt Air, Non stop, 10 hours 40 minutes LOL
New York to Tripoli, miles 4,650 miles. Google maps.
F-22 Raptor
Supercruise is sustained supersonic flight of a supersonic aircraft with a useful cargo, passenger, or weapons load performed efficiently, which typically precludes the use of highly inefficient afterburners. Mach 1.7=1304.36 mph.
4650 miles/1304.36 mph=3.5650 Flight hours.
3 hours refueling time from tankers out of southern England, ya they are there.
Range: More than 1,850 miles ferry range with two external wing fuel tanks (1,600 nautical miles)
Time to station, 6.56 hours. Did I say 12? Well fuck, that old calculator was shitting me.
See how easy it is to hoodwink a stupid liberal?
Never, ever trust your life or your money with a liberal.
WHY DO YOU THINK WE BUILT THE DAMN THING???
Why do you think we call them LIBTARDOS?
Disagreed. Blackbird pilots had special equipment and days of prep for a single mission, not to mention recovery. Long flights strapped into a seat are difficult and not something one does on the spur of the moment unless the fate of the nation is at stake.Oh please.... Long flights aren't a big deal. As support here is an account of a SR-71 that flew a recon mission from Beale AFB in California to Egypt, and back. A single flight of 12,000 miles! Over a space of over ten hours.
"We completed a fifth 70,000lb air refueling near the Azores before the leisurely Mach 3 flight across the mid Atlantic with a landing at Seymour Johnson AFB North Carolina. We were met by 9th SRW download crews who had the photo and electronic intelligence equipment downloaded and on a dedicated AF courier flight to Washington DC and the National Photo Interpretation Center within twenty minutes. The flight covered 12,181 miles in 10 hours 49 minutes and included 6 hours 41 minutes of supersonic time and 5 air refuelings. After landing, I remember wondering what Charles Lindberg would have thought about the advancement of aviation technology in less than 50 years. The 9th SRW was tasked to fly nine missions of this type and completed them all successfully."
http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Articles/Jim_Wilson_Yom_Kippur_War_SR71_flight-25Jan10.pdf
Remember the FB-111 bombing mission from England to Libya in 1986? What would have been a 6-7 hour mission (that's out and back, not one way. You're talking about a 20 hour mission) turned into a 13-14 hour mission because France and Spain refused overflight of the aircraft to Libya. During the successful raid (not completely successful since an aircraft and crew were killed) the French Embassy was narrowly missed by an errant bomb. Comedian Sam Kinison made a joke about it when the French complained, "Well they would have done a better job if they'd been allowed to fly over your country and get more fucking sleep!" The bottom line is that 10 hour, much less 20 hour missions requiring a pilot to remain strapped in for the duration are not routine.
THE LIBYAN STRIKE: HOW THE AMERICANS DID IT
TAC's strike force of 24 Pave Tack equipped digital F-111Fs left its home base at RAF Lakenheath at 21.30 GMT on the 14th April, joining up over the sea south of England with 5 EF-111 A tactical jammers of the 42nd Electronic Combat Squadron based at RAF Upper Heyford. Due to various political considerations the governments of France, Spain and Italy denied permission for the US aircraft to overfly their territory thus forcing the one elevens to fly around Spain and through the straits of Gibraltar. This increased the distance covered from around 1,300nm to over 2,800nm and mission duration from 6-7 hours to 13-14 hours with major endurance implications for the mission.
How about them P-51 Mustang pilots in WWII? Truly dude, long flights are the norm. They truly are. I just did a long range ferry flight from Carson City to Anchorage Alaska (with my wife and daughter for company) and it's not an issue.
They wouldn't have to send anyone from the states. There are NATO air bases in Italy. There are also normally two carrier air wings on station in the Mediterranean sea that could be tasked.
Disagreed. Blackbird pilots had special equipment and days of prep for a single mission, not to mention recovery. Long flights strapped into a seat are difficult and not something one does on the spur of the moment unless the fate of the nation is at stake.Oh please.... Long flights aren't a big deal. As support here is an account of a SR-71 that flew a recon mission from Beale AFB in California to Egypt, and back. A single flight of 12,000 miles! Over a space of over ten hours.
"We completed a fifth 70,000lb air refueling near the Azores before the leisurely Mach 3 flight across the mid Atlantic with a landing at Seymour Johnson AFB North Carolina. We were met by 9th SRW download crews who had the photo and electronic intelligence equipment downloaded and on a dedicated AF courier flight to Washington DC and the National Photo Interpretation Center within twenty minutes. The flight covered 12,181 miles in 10 hours 49 minutes and included 6 hours 41 minutes of supersonic time and 5 air refuelings. After landing, I remember wondering what Charles Lindberg would have thought about the advancement of aviation technology in less than 50 years. The 9th SRW was tasked to fly nine missions of this type and completed them all successfully."
http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Articles/Jim_Wilson_Yom_Kippur_War_SR71_flight-25Jan10.pdf
Remember the FB-111 bombing mission from England to Libya in 1986? What would have been a 6-7 hour mission (that's out and back, not one way. You're talking about a 20 hour mission) turned into a 13-14 hour mission because France and Spain refused overflight of the aircraft to Libya. During the successful raid (not completely successful since an aircraft and crew were killed) the French Embassy was narrowly missed by an errant bomb. Comedian Sam Kinison made a joke about it when the French complained, "Well they would have done a better job if they'd been allowed to fly over your country and get more fucking sleep!" The bottom line is that 10 hour, much less 20 hour missions requiring a pilot to remain strapped in for the duration are not routine.
THE LIBYAN STRIKE: HOW THE AMERICANS DID IT
TAC's strike force of 24 Pave Tack equipped digital F-111Fs left its home base at RAF Lakenheath at 21.30 GMT on the 14th April, joining up over the sea south of England with 5 EF-111 A tactical jammers of the 42nd Electronic Combat Squadron based at RAF Upper Heyford. Due to various political considerations the governments of France, Spain and Italy denied permission for the US aircraft to overfly their territory thus forcing the one elevens to fly around Spain and through the straits of Gibraltar. This increased the distance covered from around 1,300nm to over 2,800nm and mission duration from 6-7 hours to 13-14 hours with major endurance implications for the mission.
How about them P-51 Mustang pilots in WWII? Truly dude, long flights are the norm. They truly are. I just did a long range ferry flight from Carson City to Anchorage Alaska (with my wife and daughter for company) and it's not an issue.
You are missing the point. On all of those flights, there is more than one pilot!
How about them? Are you really willing to sacrifice a 33-71% loss rate? That's pretty generous of you with other people's lives.How about them P-51 Mustang pilots in WWII? Truly dude, long flights are the norm. They truly are. I just did a long range ferry flight from Carson City to Anchorage Alaska (with my wife and daughter for company) and it's not an issue.
BTW, my main point above is that assets should have been in place in theater not sent on 20 hour mission from Washington, D.C.
Mustang Pilot's Mission: A Day in the Life | HistoryNet
Debriefing
Back at the ready room Poyen debriefs us separately. Neither he nor anyone else shows any surprise about Barab and Kelley. Some make brief comments, or shake their heads sadly. Losses are expected.
Of the original cadre of 28 men, only eight 357th Fighter Squadron pilots survive the war unscathed, a 71 percent loss rate. Of the 128 replacement pilots, 70 come through unscathed, a 45 percent loss rate. Subtracting those who were shot down and became POWs or evaders, one-third of all 357th Squadron pilots are killed in action in the war.
Gun-camera film later confirms that Fred destroyed two Me-109s and I destroyed one. I report Barab’s 109 shootdown, and Fred attests to it. We learn that there were 26 victories today for the 355th Group, versus three losses.
Fred later tells the others I was a “tiger” and saved him, the genesis of my nickname, “Tiger” Lyons. I tell everyone how Barab and Kelley saved me.
I’m credited with five hours’ mission time for the Misburg raid. My total now stands at 121 hours, 45 minutes, toward a required 300 combat hours before I’m eligible for a 30-day leave in the U.S.
