You don't need much meat.....just a little...

[Indeependent]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

We don't need another 800 million fucking people on this planet. Now I'll have that steak please. Medium rare.

We'll send that post to India.

 

[esalla]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

you don't need to eat any meat at all.

I have been following a fellow named Marcus Rothkranz who is a vegan and a prolific health writer
he is 50 and looks like he's 27. He does say however that should you choose to be a vegan you must do it correctly. That I believe.

JO

It's easy to do correctly

I adopted a whole food vegan diet 3 months ago and feel so good I don't think I'll ever go back to eating meat.

blues, good for you. I'm good with who I am. I love my meat, I will do what I want. welcome back to america.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

I will correct false assumptions when they arise but I don't care what anyone else does

seems you are forcing an agenda here. stay with what you like and we'll stay with what we like. I promise, I won't make any attempt to tell anyone what to eat.

No it's you who think I am forcing an agenda.

All I ever said was meat is not necessary. I will correct false assumptions though.

WHat are you so defensive about?

people believing they should force their way on others. stay in your world.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

Please quote the exact words.

But you won't because you can't.

So stop fabricating arguments and attributing them to me

All I ever said is meat is not a neccessity in a healthy diet.

Meat is a necessity or doctors would not prescribe things just for dumb vegitarians

What do Doctors prescribe just for vegetarians? Because my Doctor took me off off my blood pressure meds and didn't precribe anything else at my annual physical last month

B12 calcium iron zinc omega 3s and others, these are not found in vegees

Vegetarian Diet - What You Need to Know

Care guide for Vegetarian Diet. Includes: possible causes, signs and symptoms, standard treatment options and means of care and support.

www.drugs.com

B12 isn't made by livestock either.

In fact B12 is the product of bacteria in the soil and livestock are given B12 supplements along with their antibiotics and steroids now.

And in fact there are many plants that contain zinc. A cup of oatmeal contains 21% of the daily recommended value for zinc

Spinach is loaded with iron

Chia seeds flax brussel sprouts and other plants contain omega 3 fatty acids

Do you not realize that everything you think you get eating meat is contained in all the plant matter that the animal eats?

In fact a cow has to be fed 6 kg of plant protein to make 1 kg of dietary protein.

And as I said I haven't been prescribed anything by my doctor because I have given up animal products but rather was taken off my blood pressure medication.

23 High Zinc Foods for Vegans and Vegetarians

Vegan and vegetarian sources of zinc include wheat germ, fortified cereals, beans and legumes, seeds, nuts, oatmeal, tofu, spinach, mushrooms, asparagus, broccoli, and zucchini. The daily value for zinc is 11mg per day.

www.myfooddata.com

https://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/10-plant-based-foods-packed-with-iron/https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-plant-sources-of-omega-3s#section6

Then the zinc was added to the oatmeal like D is added to milk

We don't need to add vitamin d to milk all we have to do is get outside in the sun.

And is zinc added to wild rice, quinoa, squash and pumpkin seeds, mushrooms, black beans, etc etc etc?

Where do you think the iron , zinc or any other mineral you get from meat comes from?

It comes from the plants fed to the animals

The sun only produces D at a certain point in the sky, and cold climates never do get out there

And you don't get vitamin d from a cow either. As you said it is added to milk.

Meat advanced human evolution, nothing you can do about this either

So regrow your tail and keep on acting like the monkey that you are

Meat and Nicotinamide: A Causal Role in Human Evolution, History, and Demographics

Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is vitamin B[3] / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian origin of animal predators ratcheting ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not the way we eat it now.

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate? And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

Prehistoric man began eating meat when he climbed down out of the tree with a spear and ate the carnivore that had previously eaten humans

You climb back up and hide

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images.app.goo.gl

But you won't answer the question I just asked you.

Why is that?

Here I'll ask it again

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate?

And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

Look dopey, prehistoric man didnt leave journals you ignorant lettuce head.

 

[Indeependent]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

you don't need to eat any meat at all.

I have been following a fellow named Marcus Rothkranz who is a vegan and a prolific health writer
he is 50 and looks like he's 27. He does say however that should you choose to be a vegan you must do it correctly. That I believe.

JO

It's easy to do correctly

I adopted a whole food vegan diet 3 months ago and feel so good I don't think I'll ever go back to eating meat.

blues, good for you. I'm good with who I am. I love my meat, I will do what I want. welcome back to america.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

I will correct false assumptions when they arise but I don't care what anyone else does

seems you are forcing an agenda here. stay with what you like and we'll stay with what we like. I promise, I won't make any attempt to tell anyone what to eat.

No it's you who think I am forcing an agenda.

All I ever said was meat is not necessary. I will correct false assumptions though.

WHat are you so defensive about?

people believing they should force their way on others. stay in your world.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

Please quote the exact words.

But you won't because you can't.

So stop fabricating arguments and attributing them to me

All I ever said is meat is not a neccessity in a healthy diet.

Meat is a necessity or doctors would not prescribe things just for dumb vegitarians

What do Doctors prescribe just for vegetarians? Because my Doctor took me off off my blood pressure meds and didn't precribe anything else at my annual physical last month

B12 calcium iron zinc omega 3s and others, these are not found in vegees

Vegetarian Diet - What You Need to Know

Care guide for Vegetarian Diet. Includes: possible causes, signs and symptoms, standard treatment options and means of care and support.

www.drugs.com

B12 isn't made by livestock either.

In fact B12 is the product of bacteria in the soil and livestock are given B12 supplements along with their antibiotics and steroids now.

And in fact there are many plants that contain zinc. A cup of oatmeal contains 21% of the daily recommended value for zinc

Spinach is loaded with iron

Chia seeds flax brussel sprouts and other plants contain omega 3 fatty acids

Do you not realize that everything you think you get eating meat is contained in all the plant matter that the animal eats?

In fact a cow has to be fed 6 kg of plant protein to make 1 kg of dietary protein.

And as I said I haven't been prescribed anything by my doctor because I have given up animal products but rather was taken off my blood pressure medication.

23 High Zinc Foods for Vegans and Vegetarians

Vegan and vegetarian sources of zinc include wheat germ, fortified cereals, beans and legumes, seeds, nuts, oatmeal, tofu, spinach, mushrooms, asparagus, broccoli, and zucchini. The daily value for zinc is 11mg per day.

www.myfooddata.com

https://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/10-plant-based-foods-packed-with-iron/https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-plant-sources-of-omega-3s#section6

Then the zinc was added to the oatmeal like D is added to milk

We don't need to add vitamin d to milk all we have to do is get outside in the sun.

And is zinc added to wild rice, quinoa, squash and pumpkin seeds, mushrooms, black beans, etc etc etc?

Where do you think the iron , zinc or any other mineral you get from meat comes from?

It comes from the plants fed to the animals

The sun only produces D at a certain point in the sky, and cold climates never do get out there

And you don't get vitamin d from a cow either. As you said it is added to milk.

Meat advanced human evolution, nothing you can do about this either

So regrow your tail and keep on acting like the monkey that you are

Meat and Nicotinamide: A Causal Role in Human Evolution, History, and Demographics

Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is vitamin B[3] / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian origin of animal predators ratcheting ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not the way we eat it now.

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate? And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

Prehistoric man began eating meat when he climbed down out of the tree with a spear and ate the carnivore that had previously eaten humans

You climb back up and hide

Redirect Notice

images.app.goo.gl

But you won't answer the question I just asked you.

Why is that?

Here I'll ask it again

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate?

And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

Look dopey, prehistoric man didnt leave journals you ignorant lettuce head.

Thus "prehistoric".

 

[esalla]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

you don't need to eat any meat at all.

I have been following a fellow named Marcus Rothkranz who is a vegan and a prolific health writer
he is 50 and looks like he's 27. He does say however that should you choose to be a vegan you must do it correctly. That I believe.

JO

It's easy to do correctly

I adopted a whole food vegan diet 3 months ago and feel so good I don't think I'll ever go back to eating meat.

blues, good for you. I'm good with who I am. I love my meat, I will do what I want. welcome back to america.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

I will correct false assumptions when they arise but I don't care what anyone else does

seems you are forcing an agenda here. stay with what you like and we'll stay with what we like. I promise, I won't make any attempt to tell anyone what to eat.

No it's you who think I am forcing an agenda.

All I ever said was meat is not necessary. I will correct false assumptions though.

WHat are you so defensive about?

people believing they should force their way on others. stay in your world.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

Please quote the exact words.

But you won't because you can't.

So stop fabricating arguments and attributing them to me

All I ever said is meat is not a neccessity in a healthy diet.

Meat is a necessity or doctors would not prescribe things just for dumb vegitarians

What do Doctors prescribe just for vegetarians? Because my Doctor took me off off my blood pressure meds and didn't precribe anything else at my annual physical last month

B12 calcium iron zinc omega 3s and others, these are not found in vegees

Vegetarian Diet - What You Need to Know

Care guide for Vegetarian Diet. Includes: possible causes, signs and symptoms, standard treatment options and means of care and support.

www.drugs.com

B12 isn't made by livestock either.

In fact B12 is the product of bacteria in the soil and livestock are given B12 supplements along with their antibiotics and steroids now.

And in fact there are many plants that contain zinc. A cup of oatmeal contains 21% of the daily recommended value for zinc

Spinach is loaded with iron

Chia seeds flax brussel sprouts and other plants contain omega 3 fatty acids

Do you not realize that everything you think you get eating meat is contained in all the plant matter that the animal eats?

In fact a cow has to be fed 6 kg of plant protein to make 1 kg of dietary protein.

And as I said I haven't been prescribed anything by my doctor because I have given up animal products but rather was taken off my blood pressure medication.

23 High Zinc Foods for Vegans and Vegetarians

Vegan and vegetarian sources of zinc include wheat germ, fortified cereals, beans and legumes, seeds, nuts, oatmeal, tofu, spinach, mushrooms, asparagus, broccoli, and zucchini. The daily value for zinc is 11mg per day.

www.myfooddata.com

https://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/10-plant-based-foods-packed-with-iron/https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-plant-sources-of-omega-3s#section6

Then the zinc was added to the oatmeal like D is added to milk

We don't need to add vitamin d to milk all we have to do is get outside in the sun.

And is zinc added to wild rice, quinoa, squash and pumpkin seeds, mushrooms, black beans, etc etc etc?

Where do you think the iron , zinc or any other mineral you get from meat comes from?

It comes from the plants fed to the animals

The sun only produces D at a certain point in the sky, and cold climates never do get out there

And you don't get vitamin d from a cow either. As you said it is added to milk.

Meat advanced human evolution, nothing you can do about this either

So regrow your tail and keep on acting like the monkey that you are

Meat and Nicotinamide: A Causal Role in Human Evolution, History, and Demographics

Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is vitamin B[3] / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian origin of animal predators ratcheting ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not the way we eat it now.

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate? And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

Prehistoric man began eating meat when he climbed down out of the tree with a spear and ate the carnivore that had previously eaten humans

You climb back up and hide

Redirect Notice

images.app.goo.gl

But you won't answer the question I just asked you.

Why is that?

Here I'll ask it again

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate?

And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

Look dopey, prehistoric man didnt leave journals you ignorant lettuce head.

Thus "prehistoric".

Meaning I would need to make up the answer

Nice trick Maxwell

 

[iamwhatiseem]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

you don't need to eat any meat at all.

I have been following a fellow named Marcus Rothkranz who is a vegan and a prolific health writer
he is 50 and looks like he's 27. He does say however that should you choose to be a vegan you must do it correctly. That I believe.

JO

It's easy to do correctly

I adopted a whole food vegan diet 3 months ago and feel so good I don't think I'll ever go back to eating meat.

blues, good for you. I'm good with who I am. I love my meat, I will do what I want. welcome back to america.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

I will correct false assumptions when they arise but I don't care what anyone else does

seems you are forcing an agenda here. stay with what you like and we'll stay with what we like. I promise, I won't make any attempt to tell anyone what to eat.

No it's you who think I am forcing an agenda.

All I ever said was meat is not necessary. I will correct false assumptions though.

WHat are you so defensive about?

people believing they should force their way on others. stay in your world.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

Please quote the exact words.

But you won't because you can't.

So stop fabricating arguments and attributing them to me

All I ever said is meat is not a neccessity in a healthy diet.

Meat is a necessity or doctors would not prescribe things just for dumb vegitarians

What do Doctors prescribe just for vegetarians? Because my Doctor took me off off my blood pressure meds and didn't precribe anything else at my annual physical last month

B12 calcium iron zinc omega 3s and others, these are not found in vegees

Vegetarian Diet - What You Need to Know

Care guide for Vegetarian Diet. Includes: possible causes, signs and symptoms, standard treatment options and means of care and support.

www.drugs.com

B12 isn't made by livestock either.

In fact B12 is the product of bacteria in the soil and livestock are given B12 supplements along with their antibiotics and steroids now.

And in fact there are many plants that contain zinc. A cup of oatmeal contains 21% of the daily recommended value for zinc

Spinach is loaded with iron

Chia seeds flax brussel sprouts and other plants contain omega 3 fatty acids

Do you not realize that everything you think you get eating meat is contained in all the plant matter that the animal eats?

In fact a cow has to be fed 6 kg of plant protein to make 1 kg of dietary protein.

And as I said I haven't been prescribed anything by my doctor because I have given up animal products but rather was taken off my blood pressure medication.

23 High Zinc Foods for Vegans and Vegetarians

Vegan and vegetarian sources of zinc include wheat germ, fortified cereals, beans and legumes, seeds, nuts, oatmeal, tofu, spinach, mushrooms, asparagus, broccoli, and zucchini. The daily value for zinc is 11mg per day.

www.myfooddata.com

https://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/10-plant-based-foods-packed-with-iron/https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-plant-sources-of-omega-3s#section6

Then the zinc was added to the oatmeal like D is added to milk

We don't need to add vitamin d to milk all we have to do is get outside in the sun.

And is zinc added to wild rice, quinoa, squash and pumpkin seeds, mushrooms, black beans, etc etc etc?

Where do you think the iron , zinc or any other mineral you get from meat comes from?

It comes from the plants fed to the animals

The sun only produces D at a certain point in the sky, and cold climates never do get out there

And you don't get vitamin d from a cow either. As you said it is added to milk.

Meat advanced human evolution, nothing you can do about this either

So regrow your tail and keep on acting like the monkey that you are

Meat and Nicotinamide: A Causal Role in Human Evolution, History, and Demographics

Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is vitamin B[3] / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian origin of animal predators ratcheting ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not the way we eat it now.

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate? And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

They ate a LOT of meat.
I am aware of the history revisionist veganist out there trying to portray ancient man as only eating meat rarely. But it is simply false. There was no agriculture then. None. They did not understand how plants even grew back then. They had to forage for fruits/edible plants.
The science is inarguable. Homo Sapiens advanced from Homo erectis specifically because they had a high meat diet that fueled their growing brains.
Mankind is 100% unique from any other creature on the planet. We advanced because our digestive system is omnivore. We can eat almost any edible substance on the planet. There is no other species like us that can do this, and developed the knowledge to do it.
Fire changed everything.

 

[Dick Foster]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

We don't need another 800 million fucking people on this planet. Now I'll have that steak please. Medium rare.

We'll send that post to India.

They're not big on beef in india but they do eat a lot of chicken. I'll have mine Southern fried.

 

[Indeependent]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

We don't need another 800 million fucking people on this planet. Now I'll have that steak please. Medium rare.

We'll send that post to India.

They're not big on beef in india but they do eat a lot of chicken. I'll have mine Southern fried.

There's a living creature they don't worship!

 

[Blues Man]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

you don't need to eat any meat at all.

I have been following a fellow named Marcus Rothkranz who is a vegan and a prolific health writer
he is 50 and looks like he's 27. He does say however that should you choose to be a vegan you must do it correctly. That I believe.

JO

It's easy to do correctly

I adopted a whole food vegan diet 3 months ago and feel so good I don't think I'll ever go back to eating meat.

blues, good for you. I'm good with who I am. I love my meat, I will do what I want. welcome back to america.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

I will correct false assumptions when they arise but I don't care what anyone else does

seems you are forcing an agenda here. stay with what you like and we'll stay with what we like. I promise, I won't make any attempt to tell anyone what to eat.

No it's you who think I am forcing an agenda.

All I ever said was meat is not necessary. I will correct false assumptions though.

WHat are you so defensive about?

people believing they should force their way on others. stay in your world.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

Please quote the exact words.

But you won't because you can't.

So stop fabricating arguments and attributing them to me

All I ever said is meat is not a neccessity in a healthy diet.

Meat is a necessity or doctors would not prescribe things just for dumb vegitarians

What do Doctors prescribe just for vegetarians? Because my Doctor took me off off my blood pressure meds and didn't precribe anything else at my annual physical last month

B12 calcium iron zinc omega 3s and others, these are not found in vegees

Vegetarian Diet - What You Need to Know

Care guide for Vegetarian Diet. Includes: possible causes, signs and symptoms, standard treatment options and means of care and support.

www.drugs.com

B12 isn't made by livestock either.

In fact B12 is the product of bacteria in the soil and livestock are given B12 supplements along with their antibiotics and steroids now.

And in fact there are many plants that contain zinc. A cup of oatmeal contains 21% of the daily recommended value for zinc

Spinach is loaded with iron

Chia seeds flax brussel sprouts and other plants contain omega 3 fatty acids

Do you not realize that everything you think you get eating meat is contained in all the plant matter that the animal eats?

In fact a cow has to be fed 6 kg of plant protein to make 1 kg of dietary protein.

And as I said I haven't been prescribed anything by my doctor because I have given up animal products but rather was taken off my blood pressure medication.

23 High Zinc Foods for Vegans and Vegetarians

Vegan and vegetarian sources of zinc include wheat germ, fortified cereals, beans and legumes, seeds, nuts, oatmeal, tofu, spinach, mushrooms, asparagus, broccoli, and zucchini. The daily value for zinc is 11mg per day.

www.myfooddata.com

https://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/10-plant-based-foods-packed-with-iron/https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-plant-sources-of-omega-3s#section6

Then the zinc was added to the oatmeal like D is added to milk

We don't need to add vitamin d to milk all we have to do is get outside in the sun.

And is zinc added to wild rice, quinoa, squash and pumpkin seeds, mushrooms, black beans, etc etc etc?

Where do you think the iron , zinc or any other mineral you get from meat comes from?

It comes from the plants fed to the animals

The sun only produces D at a certain point in the sky, and cold climates never do get out there

And you don't get vitamin d from a cow either. As you said it is added to milk.

Meat advanced human evolution, nothing you can do about this either

So regrow your tail and keep on acting like the monkey that you are

Meat and Nicotinamide: A Causal Role in Human Evolution, History, and Demographics

Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is vitamin B[3] / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian origin of animal predators ratcheting ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not the way we eat it now.

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate? And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

Prehistoric man began eating meat when he climbed down out of the tree with a spear and ate the carnivore that had previously eaten humans

You climb back up and hide

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But you won't answer the question I just asked you.

Why is that?

Here I'll ask it again

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate?

And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

Look dopey, prehistoric man didnt leave journals you ignorant lettuce head.

You do know that chemical analysis of bones will allow anthropologists to determine the diet of the person don't you?

You are remarkably uninformed yet you vehemently defend your assertions.

Let's recap

You said that people can't get enough amino acids. I linked to the 9 essential AAs that must be ingested and gave lists of vegetables that contain them

You said you can't get zinc, iron or omega 3 fatty acids from plants. I gave you lists of plants that contain them

You don't know how much of the prehistoric diet consisted of meat but you hold on to the notion that all prehistoric people ate was meat

 

[Dick Foster]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

We don't need another 800 million fucking people on this planet. Now I'll have that steak please. Medium rare.

We'll send that post to India.

They're not big on beef in india but they do eat a lot of chicken. I'll have mine Southern fried.

by
There's a living creature they don't worship!

Yeah they have a temple for rats even but I think chickens have to maintain a low profile.

 

[Blues Man]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

you don't need to eat any meat at all.

I have been following a fellow named Marcus Rothkranz who is a vegan and a prolific health writer
he is 50 and looks like he's 27. He does say however that should you choose to be a vegan you must do it correctly. That I believe.

JO

It's easy to do correctly

I adopted a whole food vegan diet 3 months ago and feel so good I don't think I'll ever go back to eating meat.

blues, good for you. I'm good with who I am. I love my meat, I will do what I want. welcome back to america.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

I will correct false assumptions when they arise but I don't care what anyone else does

seems you are forcing an agenda here. stay with what you like and we'll stay with what we like. I promise, I won't make any attempt to tell anyone what to eat.

No it's you who think I am forcing an agenda.

All I ever said was meat is not necessary. I will correct false assumptions though.

WHat are you so defensive about?

people believing they should force their way on others. stay in your world.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

Please quote the exact words.

But you won't because you can't.

So stop fabricating arguments and attributing them to me

All I ever said is meat is not a neccessity in a healthy diet.

Meat is a necessity or doctors would not prescribe things just for dumb vegitarians

What do Doctors prescribe just for vegetarians? Because my Doctor took me off off my blood pressure meds and didn't precribe anything else at my annual physical last month

B12 calcium iron zinc omega 3s and others, these are not found in vegees

Vegetarian Diet - What You Need to Know

Care guide for Vegetarian Diet. Includes: possible causes, signs and symptoms, standard treatment options and means of care and support.

www.drugs.com

B12 isn't made by livestock either.

In fact B12 is the product of bacteria in the soil and livestock are given B12 supplements along with their antibiotics and steroids now.

And in fact there are many plants that contain zinc. A cup of oatmeal contains 21% of the daily recommended value for zinc

Spinach is loaded with iron

Chia seeds flax brussel sprouts and other plants contain omega 3 fatty acids

Do you not realize that everything you think you get eating meat is contained in all the plant matter that the animal eats?

In fact a cow has to be fed 6 kg of plant protein to make 1 kg of dietary protein.

And as I said I haven't been prescribed anything by my doctor because I have given up animal products but rather was taken off my blood pressure medication.

23 High Zinc Foods for Vegans and Vegetarians

Vegan and vegetarian sources of zinc include wheat germ, fortified cereals, beans and legumes, seeds, nuts, oatmeal, tofu, spinach, mushrooms, asparagus, broccoli, and zucchini. The daily value for zinc is 11mg per day.

www.myfooddata.com

https://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/10-plant-based-foods-packed-with-iron/https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-plant-sources-of-omega-3s#section6

Then the zinc was added to the oatmeal like D is added to milk

We don't need to add vitamin d to milk all we have to do is get outside in the sun.

And is zinc added to wild rice, quinoa, squash and pumpkin seeds, mushrooms, black beans, etc etc etc?

Where do you think the iron , zinc or any other mineral you get from meat comes from?

It comes from the plants fed to the animals

The sun only produces D at a certain point in the sky, and cold climates never do get out there

And you don't get vitamin d from a cow either. As you said it is added to milk.

Meat advanced human evolution, nothing you can do about this either

So regrow your tail and keep on acting like the monkey that you are

Meat and Nicotinamide: A Causal Role in Human Evolution, History, and Demographics

Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is vitamin B[3] / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian origin of animal predators ratcheting ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not the way we eat it now.

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate? And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

They ate a LOT of meat.
I am aware of the history revisionist veganist out there trying to portray ancient man as only eating meat rarely. But it is simply false. There was no agriculture then. None. They did not understand how plants even grew back then. They had to forage for fruits/edible plants.
The science is inarguable. Homo Sapiens advanced from Homo erectis specifically because they had a high meat diet that fueled their growing brains.
Mankind is 100% unique from any other creature on the planet. We advanced because our digestive system is omnivore. We can eat almost any edible substance on the planet. There is no other species like us that can do this, and developed the knowledge to do it.
Fire changed everything.

How much?

And it's the age old question

Did we eat meat because because our biology demanded it or did our intestines adapt to the fact that we added meat to our diets.

There is no definitive answer at least according to this article in Scientific American

Human Ancestors Were Nearly All Vegetarians

blogs.scientificamerican.com

Along these lines, it has been suggested that our shift to eating more meat historically might have allowed investment in bigger brains which might, in turn, have required us to eat more meat so as to feed the bigger brain and simultaneously made our large intestines and their fermentation less necessary. This idea is interesting and many-layered and comes with a number of untested but testable predictions.

 

[22lcidw]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

Geez... are you not aware that feed corn is not the same corn we eat?
And also... people can't just live off of corn. You know how many hectacres it would be to grow enough corn to feed 7.5 billion people? 800 million???.... that is nothing. There is 7.5 billion worldwide.

There are people that believe corn is not a vegetable at all. Or has very little value.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Most of the crops grown in the world are fed to livestock so we could easily feed everyone without meat.

But why are you making up arguments and attributing them to me?

I never said anything about the entire population going vegan even though it is entirely possible

Haha... okay so you are counting grass as edible vegetation for humans?? Hilarious.
There is a whole world outside of America. Here, yes, we unfortunately feed livestock foods they were never meant to eat just to fatten them up quickly. That is franken-food. And that is not related to what I am saying.
In order to be vegan, you MUST eat vegetation and grains that are grown far-far-far away from your immediate environment. All of those veggies/fruits/grains consume mass energy to both produce and ship. HUUGE swaths of land to grow. Vegetation is NOT the answer for the future.
Insects?.... that is a whole other possibility.

No but grain is.

And a cow has to be fed 6kg of vegetable matter to make 1 kg of protein that is eaten as meat.

The grain we grow in this country to feed livestock could feed 800 million people.

It would take less land not more to feed people a vegan diet.

Geez... are you not aware that feed corn is not the same corn we eat?
And also... people can't just live off of corn. You know how many hectacres it would be to grow enough corn to feed 7.5 billion people? 800 million???.... that is nothing. There is 7.5 billion worldwide.

There are people that believe corn is not a vegetable at all. Or has very little value.

Corn turns into a starch 5 minutes after it is picked.

 

[Likkmee]

Corn is useless. for humanoidz...UNLESS
Wood stove ash. Treat, THEN use. It brings out the nutrients making corn into FOOD
Green giant aint shit compared to brown midget....o

r gringo hippie

 

[esalla]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

you don't need to eat any meat at all.

I have been following a fellow named Marcus Rothkranz who is a vegan and a prolific health writer
he is 50 and looks like he's 27. He does say however that should you choose to be a vegan you must do it correctly. That I believe.

JO

It's easy to do correctly

I adopted a whole food vegan diet 3 months ago and feel so good I don't think I'll ever go back to eating meat.

blues, good for you. I'm good with who I am. I love my meat, I will do what I want. welcome back to america.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

I will correct false assumptions when they arise but I don't care what anyone else does

seems you are forcing an agenda here. stay with what you like and we'll stay with what we like. I promise, I won't make any attempt to tell anyone what to eat.

No it's you who think I am forcing an agenda.

All I ever said was meat is not necessary. I will correct false assumptions though.

WHat are you so defensive about?

people believing they should force their way on others. stay in your world.

Where did I ever tell anyone what to eat?

Please quote the exact words.

But you won't because you can't.

So stop fabricating arguments and attributing them to me

All I ever said is meat is not a neccessity in a healthy diet.

Meat is a necessity or doctors would not prescribe things just for dumb vegitarians

What do Doctors prescribe just for vegetarians? Because my Doctor took me off off my blood pressure meds and didn't precribe anything else at my annual physical last month

B12 calcium iron zinc omega 3s and others, these are not found in vegees

Vegetarian Diet - What You Need to Know

Care guide for Vegetarian Diet. Includes: possible causes, signs and symptoms, standard treatment options and means of care and support.

www.drugs.com

B12 isn't made by livestock either.

In fact B12 is the product of bacteria in the soil and livestock are given B12 supplements along with their antibiotics and steroids now.

And in fact there are many plants that contain zinc. A cup of oatmeal contains 21% of the daily recommended value for zinc

Spinach is loaded with iron

Chia seeds flax brussel sprouts and other plants contain omega 3 fatty acids

Do you not realize that everything you think you get eating meat is contained in all the plant matter that the animal eats?

In fact a cow has to be fed 6 kg of plant protein to make 1 kg of dietary protein.

And as I said I haven't been prescribed anything by my doctor because I have given up animal products but rather was taken off my blood pressure medication.

23 High Zinc Foods for Vegans and Vegetarians

Vegan and vegetarian sources of zinc include wheat germ, fortified cereals, beans and legumes, seeds, nuts, oatmeal, tofu, spinach, mushrooms, asparagus, broccoli, and zucchini. The daily value for zinc is 11mg per day.

www.myfooddata.com

https://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/10-plant-based-foods-packed-with-iron/https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-plant-sources-of-omega-3s#section6

Then the zinc was added to the oatmeal like D is added to milk

We don't need to add vitamin d to milk all we have to do is get outside in the sun.

And is zinc added to wild rice, quinoa, squash and pumpkin seeds, mushrooms, black beans, etc etc etc?

Where do you think the iron , zinc or any other mineral you get from meat comes from?

It comes from the plants fed to the animals

The sun only produces D at a certain point in the sky, and cold climates never do get out there

And you don't get vitamin d from a cow either. As you said it is added to milk.

Meat advanced human evolution, nothing you can do about this either

So regrow your tail and keep on acting like the monkey that you are

Meat and Nicotinamide: A Causal Role in Human Evolution, History, and Demographics

Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is vitamin B[3] / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian origin of animal predators ratcheting ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not the way we eat it now.

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate? And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

Prehistoric man began eating meat when he climbed down out of the tree with a spear and ate the carnivore that had previously eaten humans

You climb back up and hide

Redirect Notice

images.app.goo.gl

But you won't answer the question I just asked you.

Why is that?

Here I'll ask it again

How much meat do you think prehistoric man ate?

And the meat they ate wasn't the over fattened steroid and antibiotic filled stuff you eat today

Look dopey, prehistoric man didnt leave journals you ignorant lettuce head.

You do know that chemical analysis of bones will allow anthropologists to determine the diet of the person don't you?

You are remarkably uninformed yet you vehemently defend your assertions.

Let's recap

You said that people can't get enough amino acids. I linked to the 9 essential AAs that must be ingested and gave lists of vegetables that contain them

You said you can't get zinc, iron or omega 3 fatty acids from plants. I gave you lists of plants that contain them

You don't know how much of the prehistoric diet consisted of meat but you hold on to the notion that all prehistoric people ate was meat

True however fossils are not bones and the bones that left Africa were eating meat and shellfish as their iodine levels were rising.

The monkeys like you are still munching bananas

 

[Markle]

It's the risk of dying from HEART DISEASE you dolt

I believe genes are the most important.

Jim Fixx is widely accepted as the creator of the fitness movement. You know eating right, running all that stuff.

How'd it work out for him?

Do you know what his diet was?

I don't

I don't really care. I just recall that he was a fitness guru and died young with a heart attack.

You're not going to start eating raw beef and I'm not going to quit.

You may have bad genes and need to watch your diet. I know I have extraordinary genes and eat what I want. Works for me might work for you too.

 

[B. Kidd]

No one has and will ever tell me how much or how little meat to eat!

And I eat quality beef for years. I gotz Kansas City Steak Co. on speed dial, muppets!

 

[esalla]

No one has and will ever tell me how much or how little meat to eat!

And I eat quality beef for years. I gotz Kansas City Steak Co. on speed dial, muppets!

Wrong as they will tell you whatever they choose. You just do not have to listen, nor should you

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Those who worry about their health the most, die the youngest.

If I'm going to live 5 years longer but can't eat and drink what I want................F that. What does one miss the last 5 yrs of life anyway???...Drooling

 

[B. Kidd]

Most vegans are protein-less anemic pussies.
And I just learned that some have pus oozing festering facial sores!
Are they a vegan or have herpes; or are they a vegan with herpes?

 

[Markle]

We eat far too much meat in this nation....I'm not complaining but it's the truth. There are plenty of protein sources that can sustain us with less expense and much less strain to our physical being than meat causes.

Years ago I knew a vegan who suffered from protein deficiency and he refused to take his doctor's advice to have one or two buffalo burgers a month...." That's all you need " he said....but because my friend was a religious Vegan he held out. Eventually he developed a horrible open sore on his nose that made it impossible for him to do his job as a department administrator who had to face dozens of people every day....so after checking with his Maharishi or whoever the hell his spiritual counselor was he decided to do two buffalo burgers a month..... Voila! His sore healed up is a matter of a few weeks and to this day this is all the meat he consumes..

JO

I won't give up my weekly 16 oz ribeye. The problem with the hardcore vegan loons is they believe they have the right to force that shit on everyone.

I liken vegetarians to someone who has quit smoking or drinking. That's all they can talk about.