Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?

[P F Tinmore]

I've seen your "history". It's bullshit.

The Jews will endure. Grow up and deal with it. Take responsibility for yourself. If your life is screwed up, it's YOUR fault -- not "the JOOOOOS!!!"

Israel's biggest lie.

"Five Arab states attacked Israel, they lost, Israel won the land."

1) None of those Arab states entered Israel.

2) The war was called to an end by UN resolution. No Arab state surrendered, No Arab state lost.

3) After the war the borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained the same as they were in 1922. Israel has no borders around any land.

Where did Israel win any land?

What is Bullshit here?

The Arab world's biggest lie: "Israel didn't defeat us militarily."

The Parties to the present Agreement, responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948 calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an Armistice; having decided to enter into negotiations under United Nations Chairmanship concerning the implementation of the Security Council resolutions of 4 and 16 November 1948; (2) and having appointed representatives empowered to negotiate and conclude an Armistice Agreement;

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

The Security Council,

Having decided on 15 July 1948 that, subject to further decision by the Security Council or the General Assembly, the truce shall remain in force is accordance with resolution 54 (1948) of that date and with resolution 50 (1948) of 29 May 1948 Unto a peaceful adjustment of the future situation of Palestine is reached,

The Avalon Project : United Nations Security Council Resolution 61; November 4, 1948

There was no surrender. None of those countries lost any land.

 

[Marc39]

Israel's biggest lie.

"Five Arab states attacked Israel, they lost, Israel won the land."

1) None of those Arab states entered Israel.

2) The war was called to an end by UN resolution. No Arab state surrendered, No Arab state lost.

3) After the war the borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained the same as they were in 1922. Israel has no borders around any land.

Where did Israel win any land?

What is Bullshit here?

The Arab world's biggest lie: "Israel didn't defeat us militarily."

The Parties to the present Agreement, responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948 calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an Armistice; having decided to enter into negotiations under United Nations Chairmanship concerning the implementation of the Security Council resolutions of 4 and 16 November 1948; (2) and having appointed representatives empowered to negotiate and conclude an Armistice Agreement;

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

The Security Council,

Having decided on 15 July 1948 that, subject to further decision by the Security Council or the General Assembly, the truce shall remain in force is accordance with resolution 54 (1948) of that date and with resolution 50 (1948) of 29 May 1948 Unto a peaceful adjustment of the future situation of Palestine is reached,

The Avalon Project : United Nations Security Council Resolution 61; November 4, 1948

There was no surrender. None of those countries lost any land.

Complete gibberish.

The only enforceable document is the binding Palestine Mandate that established Palestine in 1922, from Dan to Beersheba and the Jordan River to the Med. Sea as the Jewish homeland.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Arab world's biggest lie: "Israel didn't defeat us militarily."

The Parties to the present Agreement, responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948 calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an Armistice; having decided to enter into negotiations under United Nations Chairmanship concerning the implementation of the Security Council resolutions of 4 and 16 November 1948; (2) and having appointed representatives empowered to negotiate and conclude an Armistice Agreement;

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

The Security Council,

Having decided on 15 July 1948 that, subject to further decision by the Security Council or the General Assembly, the truce shall remain in force is accordance with resolution 54 (1948) of that date and with resolution 50 (1948) of 29 May 1948 Unto a peaceful adjustment of the future situation of Palestine is reached,

The Avalon Project : United Nations Security Council Resolution 61; November 4, 1948

There was no surrender. None of those countries lost any land.

Complete gibberish.

The only enforceable document is the binding Palestine Mandate that established Palestine in 1922, from Dan to Beersheba and the Jordan River to the Med. Sea as the Jewish homeland.

Yale Law is gibberish?

 

[Marc39]

The Parties to the present Agreement, responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948 calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an Armistice; having decided to enter into negotiations under United Nations Chairmanship concerning the implementation of the Security Council resolutions of 4 and 16 November 1948; (2) and having appointed representatives empowered to negotiate and conclude an Armistice Agreement;

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

The Security Council,

Having decided on 15 July 1948 that, subject to further decision by the Security Council or the General Assembly, the truce shall remain in force is accordance with resolution 54 (1948) of that date and with resolution 50 (1948) of 29 May 1948 Unto a peaceful adjustment of the future situation of Palestine is reached,

The Avalon Project : United Nations Security Council Resolution 61; November 4, 1948

There was no surrender. None of those countries lost any land.

Complete gibberish.

The only enforceable document is the binding Palestine Mandate that established Palestine in 1922, from Dan to Beersheba and the Jordan River to the Med. Sea as the Jewish homeland.

Yale Law is gibberish?

Yale Law...

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

 

[P F Tinmore]

Incorrect, again. Multiple Arab countries declared war on Israel and attacked Israel. The Arab League's declaration of war is on record

Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...


Your history lesson for the day

Not one of those countries crossed a border into Israel.

Multiple Arab countries invaded the state of Israel in 1948. It is a matter of historical fact.

Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

On 29 November, 1947, the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted a resolution approving the partition of mandatory Palestine into three components: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone. As the Mandate came to an end, the Jews began to form their state; the Palestinian Arab leaders and the Arab governments rejected the partition resolution and went to war [with Israel] to prevent its implementation.

Following is a list of battles and operations in the 1948 Arab–Israeli war. All of the listed operations were initiated by Israel.

List of battles and operations in the 1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Marc39]

Not one of those countries crossed a border into Israel.

Multiple Arab countries invaded the state of Israel in 1948. It is a matter of historical fact.

Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

On 29 November, 1947, the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted a resolution approving the partition of mandatory Palestine into three components: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone. As the Mandate came to an end, the Jews began to form their state; the Palestinian Arab leaders and the Arab governments rejected the partition resolution and went to war [with Israel] to prevent its implementation.

Following is a list of battles and operations in the 1948 Arab–Israeli war. All of the listed operations were initiated by Israel.

1947 civil war: Initiated by Arabs
1948 War: Initiated by Arabs
1967 War: Initiated by Arabs
1973 War: Initiated by Arabs
2000-2004 Suicide bombings: Initiated by Arabs
Gaza War: Initiated by Arabs

Iran Iraq War, 1 million dead
Lebanese Civil War, 250,000 dead
Algerian Civl War: 300,000 dead
Bangladesh Civil War: 500,000 dead
Yemen Civil Wars
Iraq invades Kuwait
Kuwait expels 400,000 Palestinians
Black Sept., Jordan's King Hussein murders, expells 80,000 Palestinians
Syrian army kills 20,000 Syrians at Hama
Iraq gases Kurds
300 US Marines killed in Beirut
1400 year conflict between Sunnis and Shiites
Fratricide between Hamas and Fatah
Syria/Hizballah assassinate Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri


Alexis de Toqueville...

Istudied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

Winston Churchill...

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

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[georgephillip]

Complete gibberish.

The only enforceable document is the binding Palestine Mandate that established Palestine in 1922, from Dan to Beersheba and the Jordan River to the Med. Sea as the Jewish homeland.

Yale Law is gibberish?

Yale Law...

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

In which of the 28 Articles of the "binding" Palestine Mandate do you find the the Jewish homeland specified as "from Dan to Beersheba and the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea?

 

[P F Tinmore]

1947 civil war: Initiated by Arabs

Who coined the term civil war.

A civil war would have been between two different groups of Palestinians. The 1947 war was between the Palestinians and foreigners.

 

[Marc39]

Yale Law is gibberish?

Yale Law...

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

In which of the 28 Articles of the "binding" Palestine Mandate do you find the the Jewish homeland specified as "from Dan to Beersheba and the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea?

Read the entire document and you'll learn.

 

[Marc39]

1947 civil war: Initiated by Arabs

Who coined the term civil war.

A civil war would have been between two different groups of Palestinians. The 1947 war was between the Palestinians and foreigners.

Jews are the true Palestinians given the Romans renamed Judea, the correct historical geographic name of the land of the Jews, "Palaestina" 1500 years after Jews had lived on the land and 500 years before Arabs arrived.

That would make Jews the indigenous population and Arabs, who originated from Arabia, the foreigners.

 

[P F Tinmore]

1947 civil war: Initiated by Arabs

Who coined the term civil war.

A civil war would have been between two different groups of Palestinians. The 1947 war was between the Palestinians and foreigners.

Jews are the true Palestinians given the Romans renamed Judea, the correct historical geographic name of the land of the Jews, "Palaestina" 1500 years after Jews had lived on the land and 500 years before Arabs arrived.

That would make Jews the indigenous population and Arabs, who originated from Arabia, the foreigners.

So Jews were the only people living in Palestine then?

 

[Marc39]

Who coined the term civil war.

A civil war would have been between two different groups of Palestinians. The 1947 war was between the Palestinians and foreigners.

Jews are the true Palestinians given the Romans renamed Judea, the correct historical geographic name of the land of the Jews, "Palaestina" 1500 years after Jews had lived on the land and 500 years before Arabs arrived.

That would make Jews the indigenous population and Arabs, who originated from Arabia, the foreigners.

So Jews were the only people living in Palestine then?

Jews are the only surviving people.

The correct historical geographic name of the land is Canaan and Judea, as in "Jewish," which derives from Judea.

Palestine was invented by the Romans 1500 years after Jews arrived.

Arabs arrived from Arabia 2000 years after Jews.

Your history lesson for the day

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jews are the true Palestinians given the Romans renamed Judea, the correct historical geographic name of the land of the Jews, "Palaestina" 1500 years after Jews had lived on the land and 500 years before Arabs arrived.

That would make Jews the indigenous population and Arabs, who originated from Arabia, the foreigners.

So Jews were the only people living in Palestine then?

Jews are the only surviving people.

The correct historical geographic name of the land is Canaan and Judea, as in "Jewish," which derives from Judea.

Palestine was invented by the Romans 1500 years after Jews arrived.

Arabs arrived from Arabia 2000 years after Jews.

Your history lesson for the day

So, before the Arabs arrived Jews were the only people living in Palestine?

 

[Marc39]

So Jews were the only people living in Palestine then?

Jews are the only surviving people.

The correct historical geographic name of the land is Canaan and Judea, as in "Jewish," which derives from Judea.

Palestine was invented by the Romans 1500 years after Jews arrived.

Arabs arrived from Arabia 2000 years after Jews.

Your history lesson for the day

So, before the Arabs arrived Jews were the only people living in Palestine?

There was no "Palestine" then, which was invented by the Romans. The correct historical name is Canaan and Judea.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jews are the only surviving people.

The correct historical geographic name of the land is Canaan and Judea, as in "Jewish," which derives from Judea.

Palestine was invented by the Romans 1500 years after Jews arrived.

Arabs arrived from Arabia 2000 years after Jews.

Your history lesson for the day

So, before the Arabs arrived Jews were the only people living in Palestine?

There was no "Palestine" then, which was invented by the Romans. The correct historical name is Canaan and Judea.

Changing a name changes all the people living there?

 

[MelissaD]

Jews are the only surviving people.

The correct historical geographic name of the land is Canaan and Judea, as in "Jewish," which derives from Judea.

Palestine was invented by the Romans 1500 years after Jews arrived.

Arabs arrived from Arabia 2000 years after Jews.

Your history lesson for the day

So, before the Arabs arrived Jews were the only people living in Palestine?

There was no "Palestine" then, which was invented by the Romans. The correct historical name is Canaan and Judea.

Marc aint too bright. And he doesn't like to answer any questions. Mostly because he can't defend his position.
Hey asshole, just because there was no "palestine" country doesn't mean people didn't live there before 1948. I know, you don't care, israel has a GDP of...

 

[docmauser1]

So, before the Arabs arrived Jews were the only people living in Palestine?

There was no "Palestine" then, which was invented by the Romans. The correct historical name is Canaan and Judea.

Changing a name changes all the people living there?

No palestinians® had been living there, of course.

 

[MelissaD]

There was no "Palestine" then, which was invented by the Romans. The correct historical name is Canaan and Judea.

Changing a name changes all the people living there?[/size][/i]

No palestinians® had been living there, of course.

So palestine was deserted land before 1948?

 

[Marc39]

So, before the Arabs arrived Jews were the only people living in Palestine?

There was no "Palestine" then, which was invented by the Romans. The correct historical name is Canaan and Judea.

Marc aint too bright. And he doesn't like to answer any questions. Mostly because he can't defend his position.
Hey asshole, just because there was no "palestine" country doesn't mean people didn't live there before 1948. I know, you don't care, israel has a GDP of...

Jews lived "there" first.

Now, you know.

 

[MelissaD]

There was no "Palestine" then, which was invented by the Romans. The correct historical name is Canaan and Judea.

Marc aint too bright. And he doesn't like to answer any questions. Mostly because he can't defend his position.
Hey asshole, just because there was no "palestine" country doesn't mean people didn't live there before 1948. I know, you don't care, israel has a GDP of...

Jews lived "there" first.

Now, you know.

Like you even know anything. So prior to 1948, there weren't any arabs in palestine?