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"The fact is Jews took nothing by force."Yes, zionists took land that they think belonged to them in the first place 3000 years ago (that's comical, but I get it). But what I'm saying is: did the zionists come in and buy up all the land, or take it by force. So at the very very least, Israel would owe money to the people whose land was taken/expropriated/stolen. Some of these refugees want to come back to their lands that they actually lived on, not that their ancestors had 3000 years ago. Doesn't that count for anything? the rights of people 3000 years ago supercede those who are alive today? That concept is a little hard to defend imo.
Continual historical Jewish ownership of land is comical? I see. Let's tell Saudi Arabia that Muslim ownership of Mecca and Medina is irrelevant and let's open it to non-Muslims.
The fact is Jews took nothing by force. The Ottoman Turks who owned "Palestine," not the Arabs, permitted Jewish immigration and international law created by the world community established "Palestine" as the Jewish homeland.
1.5 million Arabs live in Israel. If Israel had wanted to force them out, they would have done so.
"The 1948 Palestinian exodus (Arabic: الهجرة الفلسطينية‎, al-Hijra al-Filasṭīnīya), also known as Nakba (Arabic: النكبة‎, an-Nakbah), meaning the 'disaster', 'catastrophe', or 'cataclysm',[1] occurred when approximately 725,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it.[2] The term 'Nakba' was first used in this way by Syrian historian Constantine Zureiq in his 1948 book, Ma'na al-Nakba (The Meaning of the Disaster
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Power-Religion-Politics-Middle/dp/019514421X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288961763&sr=1-1[/ame]Between 1947 and 1949 a large part of the Arab inhabitants of the territories included in the new state of Israel left their homes and took refuge on the West Bank, in the Gaza Strip, and in the neighboring countries.
The Israelis claim that they left at the instigation of their own leaders, who told them to go so as not to interfere with the movements of troops, and promised them that they would return in the wake of the triumphant Arab armies very shortly. The Arabs maintain that they were driven out by the Israelis. Both arguments are true; both are false. Some were undoubtedly told to go by their own leaders; some, notably in the strategically vital corridor between Jerusalem and the coast, were ordered to leave by the advancing Israeli troops.
The great majority [of Arabs], like countless millions of refugees elsewhere, left their homes amid the confusion and panic of invasion and war [initiated by the Arabs]—one more unhappy part of the vast movement of populations which occurred in the aftermath of World War II. As the Poles fled from the eastern areas seized by the Russians, as the Germans fled from East German territories annexed by the Poles, as millions of Muslims and Hindus fled from India to Pakistan and from Pakistan to India, so too did great numbers of Arabs flee from Palestine to the neighboring Arab states while large numbers of Jews, most of them previously unaffected by Zionist ideology, fled from the tensions which had arisen in the Arab states to the relative safety of Israel. At the time it was hoped that this problem would be resolved, like the refugee problems in Eastern Europe and in the Indian subcontinent, and that the Arab refugees would be partly resettled in the Arab countries, partly returned to their homes. This did not happen, and with the exception of Jordan, the Arab governments made a point of not according citizenship to the refugees and of opposing their resettlement.
99% of Marc39's posts are "Princeton" bogus.Pallies are all Arabs, though, they generally identify by religion, mostly Muslim.
Palestinians consist of Muslims, Christians, and Jews.
99% of Pallies are Muslim. Jews stopped calling themselves Palestinians with Israeli statehood back in 1948.
I'm most sure, the japanese read that and weep about returning to their portion of the Kurile islands, grabbed by the USSR in violation of the pact. As far as palestinians® are concerned, - they have their palistan to return to. Bon voyage.Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own and return, to his country. Universal Declaration on Human Rights, Article 13.
99% of Marc39's posts are "Princeton" bogus.Palestinians consist of Muslims, Christians, and Jews.
99% of Pallies are Muslim. Jews stopped calling themselves Palestinians with Israeli statehood back in 1948.
Stick to getting rich from stealing your neighbor's land and water and killing her children.
It's what you do best.
99% of Marc39's posts are "Princeton" bogus.Palestinians consist of Muslims, Christians, and Jews.
99% of Pallies are Muslim. Jews stopped calling themselves Palestinians with Israeli statehood back in 1948.
Stick to getting rich from stealing your neighbor's land and water and killing her children.
It's what you do best.
The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formally abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate [and the establishment of the state of Israel].
You can continue your impotent whining all you like. The Jews aren't going to walk into the sea for you.Assuming freedom depends more on one person one vote than on UN resolution, can you justify the tactic of telling 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living in Palestine in 1948 they would not be allowed to freely decide the nature of their new state?
That was settled when Israel's Arab neighbors attacked Israel and were thrashed. The land is Israel's now.
And if you believe it isn't, you need to give your house to a native American. Or you can continue being a hypocrite. Your call.
Israel's biggest lie.
"Five Arab states attacked Israel, they lost, Israel won the land."
1) None of those Arab states entered Israel.
2) The war was called to an end by UN resolution. No Arab state surrendered, No Arab state lost.
3) After the war the borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained the same as they were in 1922. Israel has no borders around any land.
Where did Israel win any land?
Or maybe some Jews are just reasonably barbaric...like some Arabs?Your Logic lesson of the day:In 1922, the League of Nations established Palestine as the Jewish homeland, which became international law with unanimous ratification of the Palestine Mandate.
The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate
Your history lesson for the day
If the League of Nations gave the Jews all of Palestine in 1922, why did the Zionists accept only 55% of Palestine from the UN in 1948?
Because, Jews are reasonable, unlike Arab barbarians.
You can continue your impotent whining all you like. The Jews aren't going to walk into the sea for you.That was settled when Israel's Arab neighbors attacked Israel and were thrashed. The land is Israel's now.
And if you believe it isn't, you need to give your house to a native American. Or you can continue being a hypocrite. Your call.
Israel's biggest lie.
"Five Arab states attacked Israel, they lost, Israel won the land."
1) None of those Arab states entered Israel.
2) The war was called to an end by UN resolution. No Arab state surrendered, No Arab state lost.
3) After the war the borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained the same as they were in 1922. Israel has no borders around any land.
Where did Israel win any land?
You must have a lot of people in this thread on Ignore, then, because you seem to be ignoring a lot of history facts.You can continue your impotent whining all you like. The Jews aren't going to walk into the sea for you.Israel's biggest lie.
"Five Arab states attacked Israel, they lost, Israel won the land."
1) None of those Arab states entered Israel.
2) The war was called to an end by UN resolution. No Arab state surrendered, No Arab state lost.
3) After the war the borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained the same as they were in 1922. Israel has no borders around any land.
Where did Israel win any land?
I notice you did not refute any of my claims. That would be hard to do since they are historic fact.
Drivel doesn't need that, of course.I notice you did not refute any of my claims.
Predictable "Princeton" pablum..."Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ
Complete fiction.
Jews are the original Palestinians given the Romans renamed Judea, the correct historical geographical name of the land, "Palestine" 500 years before Arabs lived there.
The common consensus of opinion among historians and archaeologists is Pallies originated from the Arabian Peninsula and most are descended from Arabs who invaded "Palestine" in the 7th century.
There is no reference to Palestine or Palestinians in the Quran, the Hebrew Bible or the Christian Bible.
There is no reference to Palestine or Palestinians in any ancient historical documents.
The Quran references Jews, not Palestinians, as the owners of the Holy Land.
Quran 5:20-21...
Remember Moses said to his people: 'O my people! Recall in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.
Had a problem with toothpaste and then they died.Canaanites ... .
Do your heroic Jews require money for trade?You can continue your impotent whining all you like. The Jews aren't going to walk into the sea for you.That was settled when Israel's Arab neighbors attacked Israel and were thrashed. The land is Israel's now.
And if you believe it isn't, you need to give your house to a native American. Or you can continue being a hypocrite. Your call.
Israel's biggest lie.
"Five Arab states attacked Israel, they lost, Israel won the land."
1) None of those Arab states entered Israel.
2) The war was called to an end by UN resolution. No Arab state surrendered, No Arab state lost.
3) After the war the borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained the same as they were in 1922. Israel has no borders around any land.
Where did Israel win any land?
With a little help from the Tribe of the Golden Collection Plate.Had a problem with toothpaste and then they died.Canaanites ... .
[Canaanites are the original Palestinians.
For Arabs, the term Palestine was unacceptable. For Muslims it was alien and irrelevant. The main objection for them was that it seemed to assert a separate entity which politically conscious Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere denied. For them there was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The region which the British called Palestine was merely a separated part of a larger whole [Syria]. For a long time organized and articulate Arab political opinion was virtually unanimous on this point.
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Middle-East-Bernard-Lewis/dp/0684832801/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1288529772&sr=8-5]Amazon.com: The Middle East (9780684832807): Bernard Lewis: Books: Reviews, Prices & more[/ame]The Palestinian Arabs' basic sense of corporate historic identity was, at different levels, Muslim or Arab or -- for some -- Syrian; it is significant that even by the end of the Mandate in 1948, after 30 years of separate Palestinian political existence, there were virtually no books in Arabic on the history of Palestine.
With a little help from the Tribe of the Golden Collection Plate.Had a problem with toothpaste and then they died.Canaanites ... .
Ever worry about a religion that sanctifies slavery?
When We decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life and yet transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then (it is) We destroy them utterly.
Do your heroic Jews require money for trade?
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV3W_86NTYA[/ame]Israel is exceptional. I can give you an absolute, unequivocal answer. You can go around the world and it's very impressive to see a country of 7 million create a business like this, I haven't seen anything like this in the US.
When you think about it, if you compare Israel (now) to 1948, it's very, very impressive. It's a remarkable place
"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ
Complete fiction.
Jews are the original Palestinians given the Romans renamed Judea, the correct historical geographical name of the land, "Palestine" 500 years before Arabs lived there.
The common consensus of opinion among historians and archaeologists is Pallies originated from the Arabian Peninsula and most are descended from Arabs who invaded "Palestine" in the 7th century.
There is no reference to Palestine or Palestinians in the Quran, the Hebrew Bible or the Christian Bible.
There is no reference to Palestine or Palestinians in any ancient historical documents.
The Quran references Jews, not Palestinians, as the owners of the Holy Land.
Quran 5:20-21...
Predictable "Princeton" pablum...Remember Moses said to his people: 'O my people! Recall in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.
Canaanites are the original Palestinians.
Jews and Arabs are interlopers.
Inventing your own history, again, uneducated one? No legitimate historian says Palestinians are descendants of Canaanites.
The consensus among authorities is Pallies descended from the Arabs who invaded in the 7th century, where Jews had been living for 2000 years.
Arabs first began calling themselves Palestinians in 1967
Historian Bernard Lewis...
The Palestinian Arabs' basic sense of corporate historic identity was, at different levels, Muslim or Arab or -- for some -- Syrian; it is significant that even by the end of the Mandate in 1948, after 30 years of separate Palestinian political existence, there were virtually no books in Arabic on the history of Palestine
LOLThe emergence of a distinctive Palestinian entity is thus a product of the last decades
"Roger Tucker ( A Jew incidentally) argues that Zionism and Nazism are "identical manifestations of the same basic pathology" and that they are "equally dangerous to the well being of humanity". He says that although Zionism ultimately cannot sustain itself, to be complacent would risk inflicting "immense harm" on humanity.
Martin Luther King, Jr...
I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.
"I have a dream" for peace in the Middle East / King's special bond with IsraelWhen people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.
Now, everyone knows YOU are an anti-Semite, too.
