14 and 17 year old injured in shooting, why can't guns be banned?

[BULLDOG]

Gun crime is up in the UK it is down in the US.

The UK laws are supposed to stop gun crime but it doesn't seem to be working does it?

Our murder rate has always been higher than the UK's so if we take those as baselines we see that the UK's gun laws have not reduced the UK murder rate from the levels they were before all the gun laws were passed

Our non-gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate....

They don't understand...Britain is cutting police numbers, cutting police funding, attacking the police with politcal correcteness...they are importing violent immigrants from other countries who are now running their drug gangs, and their social welfare state has reached the point where the single teenage girls raising males...are raising sociopaths at a rate their culture can't civilize them...

Their violent crime is just going to go up.....

Our Auto accident rate is higher than theirs too, but that makes no difference either. We're talking about guns dumb ass.

No moron....we are talking murder.....their criminals commit less murder than ours do....as most of our gun murder is criminals killing other criminals. And again....our criminals murder without guns more than the entire murder rate in Britain......it is the murderous inclination of the criminal, not access to guns by law abiding citizens that creates the murder rate.

Mentioning gun crimes in england has nothing to do with here. You should call that whole "this happened in England" thing #5

As a stupid person, you would naturally think this way. Showing how gun banning and confiscation increased gun crime and overall violence in Britain is an example of why you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to guns, crime and violence. Then, showing how our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime went down 75%....and our violent crime went down 72%....while Britain's gun crime rate has gone up, 42% in London alone, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof.......that is showing that banning guns increases crime.....letting normal people own and carry guns decreases crime......

NUMBER 5!!!! NUMBER 5!!! NUMBER 5!!!!

 

[2aguy]

Our non-gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate....

They don't understand...Britain is cutting police numbers, cutting police funding, attacking the police with politcal correcteness...they are importing violent immigrants from other countries who are now running their drug gangs, and their social welfare state has reached the point where the single teenage girls raising males...are raising sociopaths at a rate their culture can't civilize them...

Their violent crime is just going to go up.....

Our Auto accident rate is higher than theirs too, but that makes no difference either. We're talking about guns dumb ass.

No moron....we are talking murder.....their criminals commit less murder than ours do....as most of our gun murder is criminals killing other criminals. And again....our criminals murder without guns more than the entire murder rate in Britain......it is the murderous inclination of the criminal, not access to guns by law abiding citizens that creates the murder rate.

Mentioning gun crimes in england has nothing to do with here. You should call that whole "this happened in England" thing #5

As a stupid person, you would naturally think this way. Showing how gun banning and confiscation increased gun crime and overall violence in Britain is an example of why you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to guns, crime and violence. Then, showing how our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime went down 75%....and our violent crime went down 72%....while Britain's gun crime rate has gone up, 42% in London alone, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof.......that is showing that banning guns increases crime.....letting normal people own and carry guns decreases crime......

NUMBER 5!!!! NUMBER 5!!! NUMBER 5!!!!

Are you trying to order from a menu and the waiter just brought you the wrong food?

 

[BULLDOG]

Our Auto accident rate is higher than theirs too, but that makes no difference either. We're talking about guns dumb ass.

No moron....we are talking murder.....their criminals commit less murder than ours do....as most of our gun murder is criminals killing other criminals. And again....our criminals murder without guns more than the entire murder rate in Britain......it is the murderous inclination of the criminal, not access to guns by law abiding citizens that creates the murder rate.

Mentioning gun crimes in england has nothing to do with here. You should call that whole "this happened in England" thing #5

As a stupid person, you would naturally think this way. Showing how gun banning and confiscation increased gun crime and overall violence in Britain is an example of why you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to guns, crime and violence. Then, showing how our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime went down 75%....and our violent crime went down 72%....while Britain's gun crime rate has gone up, 42% in London alone, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof.......that is showing that banning guns increases crime.....letting normal people own and carry guns decreases crime......

NUMBER 5!!!! NUMBER 5!!! NUMBER 5!!!!

Are you trying to order from a menu and the waiter just brought you the wrong food?

You know what I'm doing, you goofy twat.

 

[2aguy]

No moron....we are talking murder.....their criminals commit less murder than ours do....as most of our gun murder is criminals killing other criminals. And again....our criminals murder without guns more than the entire murder rate in Britain......it is the murderous inclination of the criminal, not access to guns by law abiding citizens that creates the murder rate.

Mentioning gun crimes in england has nothing to do with here. You should call that whole "this happened in England" thing #5

As a stupid person, you would naturally think this way. Showing how gun banning and confiscation increased gun crime and overall violence in Britain is an example of why you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to guns, crime and violence. Then, showing how our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime went down 75%....and our violent crime went down 72%....while Britain's gun crime rate has gone up, 42% in London alone, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof.......that is showing that banning guns increases crime.....letting normal people own and carry guns decreases crime......

NUMBER 5!!!! NUMBER 5!!! NUMBER 5!!!!

Are you trying to order from a menu and the waiter just brought you the wrong food?

You know what I'm doing, you goofy twat.

Look...yelling at the waiter won't get the job done...ask for the manager. The manager will likely get your order, the right order, and he/she will likely comp it as well....

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nobody in the UK would countenance having the same gun laws as the US. Nobody in the first world would do so.
Europe is a lot safer than the US and will be until you get some form of sanity on this issue.
Why do you allow yourselves to be slaughtered like this ?

Nobody in the US would countenance bending the knee to a monarch. So it seems the divide between you subjects and we free people is and always will be irreconcilable.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Don't be silly. They have only removed 200,000 guns in the last 15 years. They weren't a big problem to start with, compared to us. We have 300 million. Don't try to say that the gun problem in England is the same as it is here in any way. That's just nuts. Your comparison isn't apples to apples. It isn't even apples to oranges. It's closer to apples to Italian Literature.

Gun crime is up in the UK it is down in the US.

The UK laws are supposed to stop gun crime but it doesn't seem to be working does it?

Our murder rate has always been higher than the UK's so if we take those as baselines we see that the UK's gun laws have not reduced the UK murder rate from the levels they were before all the gun laws were passed

Our non-gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate....

They don't understand...Britain is cutting police numbers, cutting police funding, attacking the police with politcal correcteness...they are importing violent immigrants from other countries who are now running their drug gangs, and their social welfare state has reached the point where the single teenage girls raising males...are raising sociopaths at a rate their culture can't civilize them...

Their violent crime is just going to go up.....

Our Auto accident rate is higher than theirs too, but that makes no difference either. We're talking about guns dumb ass.

Violent crime INCLUDES gun crime idiot

Yes it does, but it is only a part, and the thread is about guns, not all the causes and remedies for the entire crime rate.

But you people always say guns cause crime don't you?

We have more guns and a decreasing crime rate. So it seems guns don't cause crime.

All the gun laws in the UK did not lower their murder rate below what it was before the gun laws were passed did they? Their gun crime rate is rising ours is falling.

What you people never seem to understand is that guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are not the problem yet you want to hold gun owners responsible for crimes committed with guns

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Nobody in the UK would countenance having the same gun laws as the US. Nobody in the first world would do so.
Europe is a lot safer than the US and will be until you get some form of sanity on this issue.
Why do you allow yourselves to be slaughtered like this ?

Nobody in the US would countenance bending the knee to a monarch. So it seems the divide between you subjects and we free people is and always will be irreconcilable.

I wish that we could rid ourselves of those parasites. I am a Republican at heart and do not see the need for them. Its just a soap opera these days.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nobody in the UK would countenance having the same gun laws as the US. Nobody in the first world would do so.
Europe is a lot safer than the US and will be until you get some form of sanity on this issue.
Why do you allow yourselves to be slaughtered like this ?

Nobody in the US would countenance bending the knee to a monarch. So it seems the divide between you subjects and we free people is and always will be irreconcilable.

I wish that we could rid ourselves of those parasites. I am a Republican at heart and do not see the need for them. Its just a soap opera these days.

Yet you stay and serve.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Nobody in the UK would countenance having the same gun laws as the US. Nobody in the first world would do so.
Europe is a lot safer than the US and will be until you get some form of sanity on this issue.
Why do you allow yourselves to be slaughtered like this ?

Nobody in the US would countenance bending the knee to a monarch. So it seems the divide between you subjects and we free people is and always will be irreconcilable.

I wish that we could rid ourselves of those parasites. I am a Republican at heart and do not see the need for them. Its just a soap opera these days.

Yet you stay and serve.

Well that is a simplistic notion. I also recognise that there is a democratic process that needs to be gone through before we can be rid. Unfortunately I dont think it will come in my lifetime. The majority are either apathetic or pro monarchy.

I think it might be easier with Charles as king. He is essentially a twat and unpopular because of his cheating ways.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yep.....a 14 year old boy was shot in the head and a 17 year old was seriously injured in a shooting......why can't they ban guns......?

Oh, right......they did.....because this shooting happened in London....you know, in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns......and now the gun crime rate in London is up 42% last year......

Two dead and boy, 14, critical after 12 hours of terrifying violence

The schoolboy was blasted with a shotgun in east London and is said to critically ill in hospital today while his 17-year-old friend was seriously injured.

The shooting follows a series of tit-for-tat stabbings and shootings in Newham and police immediately ordered sweeping stop and search powers to come into force amid fears of a retaliation.

Tit for tat shootings? In Britain? But...they banned guns. But....they confiscated guns....right?


The schoolboy had been sitting talking with friends in a car park on an estate in Forest Gate when a gunman opened fire from close range.

The boy was struck in the head with pellets from the blast while a 17-year-old suffered what police described as a “life changing” injury to his leg.

Doctors from a nearby GP surgery rushed outside to help the victims after the shooting at just after 3pm .

-----

The man, who did not want to be named, said: “They were just sitting there talking, and then this guy just came from behind and shot him.

“Fourteen-years-old, what can you do to get shot in the head with a shotgun?”

They really do need to make a law against shooting people.

 

[2aguy]

Gun crime is up in the UK it is down in the US.

The UK laws are supposed to stop gun crime but it doesn't seem to be working does it?

Our murder rate has always been higher than the UK's so if we take those as baselines we see that the UK's gun laws have not reduced the UK murder rate from the levels they were before all the gun laws were passed

Our non-gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate....

They don't understand...Britain is cutting police numbers, cutting police funding, attacking the police with politcal correcteness...they are importing violent immigrants from other countries who are now running their drug gangs, and their social welfare state has reached the point where the single teenage girls raising males...are raising sociopaths at a rate their culture can't civilize them...

Their violent crime is just going to go up.....

Our Auto accident rate is higher than theirs too, but that makes no difference either. We're talking about guns dumb ass.

Violent crime INCLUDES gun crime idiot

Yes it does, but it is only a part, and the thread is about guns, not all the causes and remedies for the entire crime rate.

But you people always say guns cause crime don't you?

We have more guns and a decreasing crime rate. So it seems guns don't cause crime.

All the gun laws in the UK did not lower their murder rate below what it was before the gun laws were passed did they? Their gun crime rate is rising ours is falling.

What you people never seem to understand is that guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are not the problem yet you want to hold gun owners responsible for crimes committed with guns

Exactly...well said...to the point.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nobody in the UK would countenance having the same gun laws as the US. Nobody in the first world would do so.
Europe is a lot safer than the US and will be until you get some form of sanity on this issue.
Why do you allow yourselves to be slaughtered like this ?

Nobody in the US would countenance bending the knee to a monarch. So it seems the divide between you subjects and we free people is and always will be irreconcilable.

Reducing the senseless death rate has nothing to do with bending the knee to any monarch.

 

[BULLDOG]

Gun crime is up in the UK it is down in the US.

The UK laws are supposed to stop gun crime but it doesn't seem to be working does it?

Our murder rate has always been higher than the UK's so if we take those as baselines we see that the UK's gun laws have not reduced the UK murder rate from the levels they were before all the gun laws were passed

Our non-gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate....

They don't understand...Britain is cutting police numbers, cutting police funding, attacking the police with politcal correcteness...they are importing violent immigrants from other countries who are now running their drug gangs, and their social welfare state has reached the point where the single teenage girls raising males...are raising sociopaths at a rate their culture can't civilize them...

Their violent crime is just going to go up.....

Our Auto accident rate is higher than theirs too, but that makes no difference either. We're talking about guns dumb ass.

Violent crime INCLUDES gun crime idiot

Yes it does, but it is only a part, and the thread is about guns, not all the causes and remedies for the entire crime rate.

But you people always say guns cause crime don't you?

We have more guns and a decreasing crime rate. So it seems guns don't cause crime.

All the gun laws in the UK did not lower their murder rate below what it was before the gun laws were passed did they? Their gun crime rate is rising ours is falling.

What you people never seem to understand is that guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are not the problem yet you want to hold gun owners responsible for crimes committed with guns

In ever said guns increase crime. Guns increase senseless death. You can't argue with a 0.23 per 100,000 gun related death rate, especially compared to our gun related death rate.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nobody in the UK would countenance having the same gun laws as the US. Nobody in the first world would do so.
Europe is a lot safer than the US and will be until you get some form of sanity on this issue.
Why do you allow yourselves to be slaughtered like this ?

Nobody in the US would countenance bending the knee to a monarch. So it seems the divide between you subjects and we free people is and always will be irreconcilable.

Reducing the senseless death rate has nothing to do with bending the knee to any monarch.

It does when you're British.

We are not like those people who still grovel in front of a monarch. And thank goodness for that

 

[Skull Pilot]

Our non-gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate....

They don't understand...Britain is cutting police numbers, cutting police funding, attacking the police with politcal correcteness...they are importing violent immigrants from other countries who are now running their drug gangs, and their social welfare state has reached the point where the single teenage girls raising males...are raising sociopaths at a rate their culture can't civilize them...

Their violent crime is just going to go up.....

Our Auto accident rate is higher than theirs too, but that makes no difference either. We're talking about guns dumb ass.

Violent crime INCLUDES gun crime idiot

Yes it does, but it is only a part, and the thread is about guns, not all the causes and remedies for the entire crime rate.

But you people always say guns cause crime don't you?

We have more guns and a decreasing crime rate. So it seems guns don't cause crime.

All the gun laws in the UK did not lower their murder rate below what it was before the gun laws were passed did they? Their gun crime rate is rising ours is falling.

What you people never seem to understand is that guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are not the problem yet you want to hold gun owners responsible for crimes committed with guns

In ever said guns increase crime. Guns increase senseless death. You can't argue with a 0.23 per 100,000 gun related death rate, especially compared to our gun related death rate.

And you keep including suicide

Suicide is a choice that is all it is all it ever will be.

Murder is senseless and i have already shown that gun laws do not decrease the murder rate.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It wasn't the same as here...since their culture didn't create criminals that commit murder. Now....their welfare culture can no longer civilize their young males...their violent crime rate is going through the roof and gun crime in London is up 42%....

While in the United States?


We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Concealed carry permit number....
New Study: Over 16.3 million concealed handgun permits, last year saw the largest increase ever in number of permits - Crime Prevention Research Center

actual study...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2017 by John R. Lott :: SSRN

So is your contention that the reduction in crime rate is completely, or even mostly the result of more guns? What a goof.

I have studies that show that armed Americans do lower the crime rate, though the biggest factor is police...since they actually solve and capture criminals.....but armed Americans can and do lower the crime rate.

As to the Pew result? What it shows is that everything you believe about guns and Americans owning guns is wrong. You guys keep telling us that more guns in more hands = more crime and more gun crime......and as over 20 years of actual gun ownership in the United States shows....that isn't true...so the fundamental argument you guys make for taking guns away from Americans....has no factual basis...at all....

And the data from Britain...shows that doing what you want...banning and confiscating guns.....does not lower the gun crime rate....and in fact, can lead to it going up...since gun crime in London went up 42% just last year, and their violent crime rate is through the roof......

I've counted. You have 6 different points to make, and you repeat them continuously, no matter how many times they have been shot down. Why don't you just number them so you don't have to do all that typing? It would be so much easier for you to post #5 and #2 instead of all that crap above.

They havent been shot down dumb ass. In the US more firearms has lead to LESS murder LESS crime. as PROVEN by the last 25 years statistics. You and your ilk have screamed that concealed and open carry would lead to MORE crime and yet NOT IN A SINGLE STATE has that happened ANYWHERE. No wild west shootouts like you claimed no extra murders no extra shootings. In fact it has lead to LESS crime and LESS murder.

0.23 deaths per 100,000 is pretty hard to beat. How close do you think we are?

3.0 or there about However isnt it telling you ignore the fact we dropped by a significant number while England went up?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Our non-gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate....

They don't understand...Britain is cutting police numbers, cutting police funding, attacking the police with politcal correcteness...they are importing violent immigrants from other countries who are now running their drug gangs, and their social welfare state has reached the point where the single teenage girls raising males...are raising sociopaths at a rate their culture can't civilize them...

Their violent crime is just going to go up.....

Our Auto accident rate is higher than theirs too, but that makes no difference either. We're talking about guns dumb ass.

Violent crime INCLUDES gun crime idiot

Yes it does, but it is only a part, and the thread is about guns, not all the causes and remedies for the entire crime rate.

But you people always say guns cause crime don't you?

We have more guns and a decreasing crime rate. So it seems guns don't cause crime.

All the gun laws in the UK did not lower their murder rate below what it was before the gun laws were passed did they? Their gun crime rate is rising ours is falling.

What you people never seem to understand is that guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are not the problem yet you want to hold gun owners responsible for crimes committed with guns

In ever said guns increase crime. Guns increase senseless death. You can't argue with a 0.23 per 100,000 gun related death rate, especially compared to our gun related death rate.

Liar the crime rate went DOWN here with more firearms in private hands, the murder rate went DOWN here with more concealed carry and open carry laws and MORE firearms in private hands proven by 25 years of stats you keep trying to ignore.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So is your contention that the reduction in crime rate is completely, or even mostly the result of more guns? What a goof.

I have studies that show that armed Americans do lower the crime rate, though the biggest factor is police...since they actually solve and capture criminals.....but armed Americans can and do lower the crime rate.

As to the Pew result? What it shows is that everything you believe about guns and Americans owning guns is wrong. You guys keep telling us that more guns in more hands = more crime and more gun crime......and as over 20 years of actual gun ownership in the United States shows....that isn't true...so the fundamental argument you guys make for taking guns away from Americans....has no factual basis...at all....

And the data from Britain...shows that doing what you want...banning and confiscating guns.....does not lower the gun crime rate....and in fact, can lead to it going up...since gun crime in London went up 42% just last year, and their violent crime rate is through the roof......

I've counted. You have 6 different points to make, and you repeat them continuously, no matter how many times they have been shot down. Why don't you just number them so you don't have to do all that typing? It would be so much easier for you to post #5 and #2 instead of all that crap above.

They havent been shot down dumb ass. In the US more firearms has lead to LESS murder LESS crime. as PROVEN by the last 25 years statistics. You and your ilk have screamed that concealed and open carry would lead to MORE crime and yet NOT IN A SINGLE STATE has that happened ANYWHERE. No wild west shootouts like you claimed no extra murders no extra shootings. In fact it has lead to LESS crime and LESS murder.

0.23 deaths per 100,000 is pretty hard to beat. How close do you think we are?

3.0 or there about However isnt it telling you ignore the fact we dropped by a significant number while England went up?

I use the gun murder rate which is as you have stated 3 per 100000 Bulldog is also including suicide which isn't a crime

 

[BULLDOG]

Our Auto accident rate is higher than theirs too, but that makes no difference either. We're talking about guns dumb ass.

Violent crime INCLUDES gun crime idiot

Yes it does, but it is only a part, and the thread is about guns, not all the causes and remedies for the entire crime rate.

But you people always say guns cause crime don't you?

We have more guns and a decreasing crime rate. So it seems guns don't cause crime.

All the gun laws in the UK did not lower their murder rate below what it was before the gun laws were passed did they? Their gun crime rate is rising ours is falling.

What you people never seem to understand is that guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are not the problem yet you want to hold gun owners responsible for crimes committed with guns

In ever said guns increase crime. Guns increase senseless death. You can't argue with a 0.23 per 100,000 gun related death rate, especially compared to our gun related death rate.

And you keep including suicide

Suicide is a choice that is all it is all it ever will be.

Murder is senseless and i have already shown that gun laws do not decrease the murder rate.

You've shown nothing but a silly list of gun nut talking points that can be disproved by any teenager.

 

[BULLDOG]

So is your contention that the reduction in crime rate is completely, or even mostly the result of more guns? What a goof.

I have studies that show that armed Americans do lower the crime rate, though the biggest factor is police...since they actually solve and capture criminals.....but armed Americans can and do lower the crime rate.

As to the Pew result? What it shows is that everything you believe about guns and Americans owning guns is wrong. You guys keep telling us that more guns in more hands = more crime and more gun crime......and as over 20 years of actual gun ownership in the United States shows....that isn't true...so the fundamental argument you guys make for taking guns away from Americans....has no factual basis...at all....

And the data from Britain...shows that doing what you want...banning and confiscating guns.....does not lower the gun crime rate....and in fact, can lead to it going up...since gun crime in London went up 42% just last year, and their violent crime rate is through the roof......

I've counted. You have 6 different points to make, and you repeat them continuously, no matter how many times they have been shot down. Why don't you just number them so you don't have to do all that typing? It would be so much easier for you to post #5 and #2 instead of all that crap above.

They havent been shot down dumb ass. In the US more firearms has lead to LESS murder LESS crime. as PROVEN by the last 25 years statistics. You and your ilk have screamed that concealed and open carry would lead to MORE crime and yet NOT IN A SINGLE STATE has that happened ANYWHERE. No wild west shootouts like you claimed no extra murders no extra shootings. In fact it has lead to LESS crime and LESS murder.

0.23 deaths per 100,000 is pretty hard to beat. How close do you think we are?

3.0 or there about However isnt it telling you ignore the fact we dropped by a significant number while England went up?

If you consider all the things that factor into those numbers, you will see that the number of guns isn't the only thing that effects those rates.