14 year old boy to get year in jail for wearing NRA T-shirt

[regent]

I think this is a wise move by gun supporters to use their kids to bring the problem home to the public.
Think of the publicity and reaction to a a news column that reads, "Fourteen year old boy to get one year in jail for wearing NRA T shirt."

 

[OODA_Loop]

If he wore a shirt with an AR15 emblazoned with a Ghostbusters-style red crossed out circle that said:

Remember The Children

It would have been fine.

 

[Mustang]

Did this school have such a policy? I thought I read earlier in the thread it didn't.

According to the school's website, their dress code prohibits "Clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexually suggestive phrases are not to be worn at school or school functions."

Logan Co. Schools Dress Code

In other words, the shirt is perfectly acceptable.

No, it wasn't. The school can't be expected to itemize every single example of clothing that's considered inappropriate. Who doesn't understand that? That gives the principal the latitude to make judgement calls based on a variety of factors. Now, considering the fact that school shootings have taken place, and considering that recent school shootings have involved semiautomatic weapons (like an AR-15), and considering that the gun debate is a highly emotionally-charged one, it's perfectly reasonable to expect that any school principal will want to stop a student from wearing a t-shirt with a gun on it before it becomes 15 students wearing t-shirts with guns on them, all of them screaming about how they should be able to do so because Johnny did.

And who doesn't understand that teenagers are always pushing the envelope with adults and being a royal pain in the ass to everyone around them?

 

[AmyNation]

You'd think schools would have a ban on a host of shirts ...political, profanity, guns, drugs, morbid images etc. Although if the policy is "it's inapproiate whenever we say so" I guess that's valid too.

 

[Mustang]

I think this is a wise move by gun supporters to use their kids to bring the problem home to the public.
Think of the publicity and reaction to a a news column that reads, "Fourteen year old boy to get one year in jail for wearing NRA T shirt."

"Using their kids" is what this is about. Kids need to focus in on their subjects. And when the adults undermine the authority of the teachers and the school administrators, it only makes the teachers job exponentially more difficult. And all for what? So parents and special interest groups can find one more place to argue?

 

[bripat9643]

According to the school's website, their dress code prohibits "Clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexually suggestive phrases are not to be worn at school or school functions."

Logan Co. Schools Dress Code

In other words, the shirt is perfectly acceptable.

No, it wasn't. The school can't be expected to itemize every single example of clothing that's considered inappropriate. Who doesn't understand that? That gives the principal the latitude to make judgement calls based on a variety of factors. Now, considering the fact that school shootings have taken place, and considering that recent school shootings have involved semiautomatic weapons (like an AR-15), and considering that the gun debate is a highly emotionally-charged one, it's perfectly reasonable to expect that any school principal will want to stop a student from wearing a t-shirt with a gun on it before it becomes 15 students wearing t-shirts with guns on them, all of them screaming about how they should be able to do so because Johnny did.

And who doesn't understand that teenagers are always pushing the envelope with adults and being a royal pain in the ass to everyone around them?

Why shouldn't 15 teenagers be allowed to wear shirts with guns on them?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I know 99% of our military personnel will follow their lawful orders, and that they won't be relying on 'what's lawful' arguments from the reactionaries and militia nuts.

A BSA troop that decided to adopt reactionary thinking could be considered a Terrorist Youth Organization.

And unlawful orders? I can assure you that confiscation of firearms is an unlawful order.

I will try that in court: "The2ndAmendment due says that confiscation of firearms is an unlawful order. He assures it."

It would never get to court. At that point every Fascist, Communist and Loyalist would be dead or fleeing. That's the beauty of the Second Amendment.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I've said it many times before and i'll say it again ......
menajatwa people ............. menaja FUCKING twa !

You need to conform.

Are you stoned?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Really? Which law says students have to obey school personnel or go to jail? Remember, we're not talking about school rules here. We're talking about city, county or state ordinances. What is the official state penalty for a student who "gets mouthy?"

There are disorderly conduct laws for starts. There is the school regulations and guidelines, the which all students must know and follow.

You don't have an idea of what you are talking about whatsoever.

A facility for teenage boy punks who don't get it will help him for six months to get it.

But the school rules do not trump a student's right to free expression. You obviously would give up your liberty for love of of the written rule.

No,m but he would give up YOURS!

 

[JakeStarkey]

The school laws certainly trump the student in a school-oriented and directed activity, such as graduation.

TK thinks all speech is unlimited: he is wrong. He has not read the Constitution is the problem.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

The school laws certainly trump the student in a school-oriented and directed activity, such as graduation.

TK thinks all speech is unlimited: he is wrong. He has not read the Constitution is the problem.

Only a Jury, not government, can decide if you have acted outside your free speech rights. Proof? If a jury acquits, no force on heaven or earth can overturn that verdict, not even the Supreme Snort of Coke.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Fakey always assumes that government officials can do no wrong and that sovereign citizens who exercise their rights are little better than terrorists.

bripat is always assuming that everyone is out to get everybody.

bripat despises the Constitution and American democracy, which is his great loss.

He does not understand our rule of law makes us much freer than any society bripat could create.

Are you LYING or are you just INCAPABLE of understanding, pops?

 

[Jarlaxle]

A key chain isn't a gun. It's a key chain. The NRA does not promote violence. The NRA promotes the right of citizens to own guns as set out by the Constitution. And the right of a student to protest was set out in the Tinker case, below. They can as long as it does not disrupt classes. There is no evidence that this shirt disrupted classes. He does have a legal precedent for appeal. And I hope to hell he wins.

I hope he spends a year in the slammer........just to piss off the NRA

RW loves the idea of a police state.

The student "was confronted by one of the school's teachers while getting his lunch. When Jared refused to remove or reverse the shirt, the teacher began to raise his voice, and it caught the attention of students eating their lunch, White said. Marcum was eventually arrested and taken away by police after refusing to remove the shirt. White said that when police told the teen they were going to arrest him, he stuck his hands out and said, 'Fine.'" Logan City Police Chief E.K. Harper told ABCNews.com that Marcum was not arrested for wearing a t-shirt, but for "disrupting the school process." "His conduct in school almost incited a riot," Harper said. West Virginia Teen Arrested After Wearing NRA T-Shirt to School - ABC News

Yup, the kid was peaceful and non-threatening?

Yes. He was.

What did he do that was threatening, violent or otherwise disruptive except stand up for his rights?

If there was any possibility of trouble, it stemmed from the local Gestapo and the Himmler-esque Principal asking someone to forget they live in America.

Which, if libtards get their way.... We won't anymore

Believe the reactionarytards like you or believe the police, the principal, the teacher?

Wanna guess who the judge is going to believe?

Did you even read YOUR OWN DAMNED QUOTE, you stupid shit?!?! Are you actually THIS FUCKING STUPID?!?!

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I hope he spends a year in the slammer........just to piss off the NRA

RW loves the idea of a police state.

Yes. He was.

What did he do that was threatening, violent or otherwise disruptive except stand up for his rights?

If there was any possibility of trouble, it stemmed from the local Gestapo and the Himmler-esque Principal asking someone to forget they live in America.

Which, if libtards get their way.... We won't anymore

Believe the reactionarytards like you or believe the police, the principal, the teacher?

Wanna guess who the judge is going to believe?

Did you even read YOUR OWN DAMNED QUOTE, you stupid shit?!?! Are you actually THIS FUCKING STUPID?!?!

Furthermore, it doesn't matter what the Judge believes, only what the Jury believes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The jury will follow the judge's final directions to the letter. Watch.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

The jury will follow the judge's final directions to the letter. Watch.

That's why Prohibition was so successful in the earlier part of the 20th Century.

That's why drug convictions are plummeting today, right?

 

[bripat9643]

Fakey always assumes that government officials can do no wrong and that sovereign citizens who exercise their rights are little better than terrorists.

bripat is always assuming that everyone is out to get everybody.

bripat despises the Constitution and American democracy, which is his great loss.

He does not understand our rule of law makes us much freer than any society bripat could create.

Are you LYING or are you just INCAPABLE of understanding, pops?

He's lying. Plus, he's just plain senile.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If Jarlaxle and bripat are one side, all others are aware the good side is in the other part of the room.

Sorry, kids, anarchism and libertarianism are for the shit hole, not for America.

 

[Polk]

Gd dam liberals in education. when I was in high school, and a kid refused to do what a teacher AND the pricipal told him, a coach would just make him run till he puked, and if he refused to run, he could spend a week at home at see his GPA die. I realize we can no longer "abuse" children who defy authority, but if this teeshirt ran afoul of school code, why not just expell him for a year? The taxpayers shouldn't feed the punk.

It did not run afoul of the school code. You might also wish to brush up on Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969)

Hi Ben.

That's simply not accurate (re: dress code). And Tinker isn't as strong of a case for your position as you think it is.

 

[RoadVirus]

The student "was confronted by one of the school's teachers while getting his lunch. When Jared refused to remove or reverse the shirt, the teacher began to raise his voice, and it caught the attention of students eating their lunch, White said. Marcum was eventually arrested and taken away by police after refusing to remove the shirt. White said that when police told the teen they were going to arrest him, he stuck his hands out and said, 'Fine.'" Logan City Police Chief E.K. Harper told ABCNews.com that Marcum was not arrested for wearing a t-shirt, but for "disrupting the school process." "His conduct in school almost incited a riot," Harper said. West Virginia Teen Arrested After Wearing NRA T-Shirt to School - ABC News

Yup, the kid was peaceful and non-threatening? A near riot?

Step off loons, you have fail on this.

Apparently you need to re-read your own post Jake.

I see no evidence in that paragraph where it says the kid was close to causing a riot. In fact, the paragraph says the teacher raised his voice. And when the cops came to arrest the kid (on apparently trumped up charges), he did not resist.