14 year old boy to get year in jail for wearing NRA T-shirt

[Polk]

According to the school's website, their dress code prohibits "Clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexually suggestive phrases are not to be worn at school or school functions."

Logan Co. Schools Dress Code

In other words, the shirt is perfectly acceptable.

No, it wasn't. The school can't be expected to itemize every single example of clothing that's considered inappropriate. Who doesn't understand that? That gives the principal the latitude to make judgement calls based on a variety of factors. Now, considering the fact that school shootings have taken place, and considering that recent school shootings have involved semiautomatic weapons (like an AR-15), and considering that the gun debate is a highly emotionally-charged one, it's perfectly reasonable to expect that any school principal will want to stop a student from wearing a t-shirt with a gun on it before it becomes 15 students wearing t-shirts with guns on them, all of them screaming about how they should be able to do so because Johnny did.

And who doesn't understand that teenagers are always pushing the envelope with adults and being a royal pain in the ass to everyone around them?

Beyond the absurdity of asking for itemization, it's arguably in one of the expressed categories (violence).

 

[Polk]

Really? Which law says students have to obey school personnel or go to jail? Remember, we're not talking about school rules here. We're talking about city, county or state ordinances. What is the official state penalty for a student who "gets mouthy?"

There are disorderly conduct laws for starts. There is the school regulations and guidelines, the which all students must know and follow.

You don't have an idea of what you are talking about whatsoever.

A facility for teenage boy punks who don't get it will help him for six months to get it.

But the school rules do not trump a student's right to free expression. You obviously would give up your liberty for love of of the written rule.

The First Amendment grandstanding would be so much more believable if it wasn't coming from people who had no problem with many of the other right eliminations in schools.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The student "was confronted by one of the school's teachers while getting his lunch. When Jared refused to remove or reverse the shirt, the teacher began to raise his voice, and it caught the attention of students eating their lunch, White said. Marcum was eventually arrested and taken away by police after refusing to remove the shirt. White said that when police told the teen they were going to arrest him, he stuck his hands out and said, 'Fine.'" Logan City Police Chief E.K. Harper told ABCNews.com that Marcum was not arrested for wearing a t-shirt, but for "disrupting the school process." "His conduct in school almost incited a riot," Harper said. West Virginia Teen Arrested After Wearing NRA T-Shirt to School - ABC News

Yup, the kid was peaceful and non-threatening? A near riot?

Step off loons, you have fail on this.

Apparently you need to re-read your own post Jake.

I see no evidence in that paragraph where it says the kid was close to causing a riot. In fact, the paragraph says the teacher raised his voice. And when the cops came to arrest the kid (on apparently trumped up charges), he did not resist.

The police said the student was inciting other students. Read the article then you can apologize as you almost always do.

 

[bendog]

Gd dam liberals in education. when I was in high school, and a kid refused to do what a teacher AND the pricipal told him, a coach would just make him run till he puked, and if he refused to run, he could spend a week at home at see his GPA die. I realize we can no longer "abuse" children who defy authority, but if this teeshirt ran afoul of school code, why not just expell him for a year? The taxpayers shouldn't feed the punk.

It did not run afoul of the school code. You might also wish to brush up on Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969)

Hi Ben.

the kid violated the code.

If in the judgment of the administration, a student is dressed inappropriately, the student will be required to change clothes or cover up inappropriate clothing before returning to classes. Time out of class will be regarded as unexcused. Additional measures may be taken if deemed necessary by the administration. The administration has the final authority on all matters relating to the dress code.

He refused to comply and suffered a consequence.

It may, and I think it will, turn out that the school board is ok with NRA shirts.

 

[Polk]

Gd dam liberals in education. when I was in high school, and a kid refused to do what a teacher AND the pricipal told him, a coach would just make him run till he puked, and if he refused to run, he could spend a week at home at see his GPA die. I realize we can no longer "abuse" children who defy authority, but if this teeshirt ran afoul of school code, why not just expell him for a year? The taxpayers shouldn't feed the punk.

It did not run afoul of the school code. You might also wish to brush up on Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969)

Hi Ben.

the kid violated the code.

If in the judgment of the administration, a student is dressed inappropriately, the student will be required to change clothes or cover up inappropriate clothing before returning to classes. Time out of class will be regarded as unexcused. Additional measures may be taken if deemed necessary by the administration. The administration has the final authority on all matters relating to the dress code.

He refused to comply and suffered a consequence.

It may, and I think it will, turn out that the school board is ok with NRA shirts.

It's the weapon that's the problem. While I don't agree with the NRA's radical positions, I would be supporting the student if the shirt just say "NRA: Defend Your Rights", but without the weapon imagery.

 

[bendog]

The student "was confronted by one of the school's teachers while getting his lunch. When Jared refused to remove or reverse the shirt, the teacher began to raise his voice, and it caught the attention of students eating their lunch, White said. Marcum was eventually arrested and taken away by police after refusing to remove the shirt. White said that when police told the teen they were going to arrest him, he stuck his hands out and said, 'Fine.'" Logan City Police Chief E.K. Harper told ABCNews.com that Marcum was not arrested for wearing a t-shirt, but for "disrupting the school process." "His conduct in school almost incited a riot," Harper said. West Virginia Teen Arrested After Wearing NRA T-Shirt to School - ABC News

Yup, the kid was peaceful and non-threatening? A near riot?

Step off loons, you have fail on this.

Apparently you need to re-read your own post Jake.

I see no evidence in that paragraph where it says the kid was close to causing a riot. In fact, the paragraph says the teacher raised his voice. And when the cops came to arrest the kid (on apparently trumped up charges), he did not resist.

The police said the student was inciting other students. Read the article then you can apologize as you almost always do.

Well in a sense this was like Des Moines, Legal Eagle is right about that. Just because dress causes students to think about some current social (non sexual or illega) issue, is not a reason to disallaow the dress. LE's wrong that all voilations of a dress code must be spelled out in black and white, though.

I'd guess that the kid was disrupting education. You can wear an armband. You cannot actively disrupt a lesson to push your social issue. The right is more to make a passive political statement.

So, I tend to agree it was conduct more than speech. I mean I thought in WV, they gave kids guns at birth.

 

[bripat9643]

The student "was confronted by one of the school's teachers while getting his lunch. When Jared refused to remove or reverse the shirt, the teacher began to raise his voice, and it caught the attention of students eating their lunch, White said. Marcum was eventually arrested and taken away by police after refusing to remove the shirt. White said that when police told the teen they were going to arrest him, he stuck his hands out and said, 'Fine.'" Logan City Police Chief E.K. Harper told ABCNews.com that Marcum was not arrested for wearing a t-shirt, but for "disrupting the school process." "His conduct in school almost incited a riot," Harper said. West Virginia Teen Arrested After Wearing NRA T-Shirt to School - ABC News

Yup, the kid was peaceful and non-threatening? A near riot?

Step off loons, you have fail on this.

Apparently you need to re-read your own post Jake.

I see no evidence in that paragraph where it says the kid was close to causing a riot. In fact, the paragraph says the teacher raised his voice. And when the cops came to arrest the kid (on apparently trumped up charges), he did not resist.

The police said the student was inciting other students. Read the article then you can apologize as you almost always do.

How, by saying "no?" It appears the teachers were the ones "inciting" the other students. People tend to get "incited" when they observe some jack-booted thugs working over a fellow citizen.

 

[bripat9643]

There are disorderly conduct laws for starts. There is the school regulations and guidelines, the which all students must know and follow.

You don't have an idea of what you are talking about whatsoever.

A facility for teenage boy punks who don't get it will help him for six months to get it.

But the school rules do not trump a student's right to free expression. You obviously would give up your liberty for love of of the written rule.

The First Amendment grandstanding would be so much more believable if it wasn't coming from people who had no problem with many of the other right eliminations in schools.

For instance? From what I've seen, libturds are behind most campaigns to eliminate student rights.

 

[bripat9643]

In other words, the shirt is perfectly acceptable.

No, it wasn't. The school can't be expected to itemize every single example of clothing that's considered inappropriate. Who doesn't understand that? That gives the principal the latitude to make judgement calls based on a variety of factors. Now, considering the fact that school shootings have taken place, and considering that recent school shootings have involved semiautomatic weapons (like an AR-15), and considering that the gun debate is a highly emotionally-charged one, it's perfectly reasonable to expect that any school principal will want to stop a student from wearing a t-shirt with a gun on it before it becomes 15 students wearing t-shirts with guns on them, all of them screaming about how they should be able to do so because Johnny did.

And who doesn't understand that teenagers are always pushing the envelope with adults and being a royal pain in the ass to everyone around them?

Beyond the absurdity of asking for itemization, it's arguably in one of the expressed categories (violence).

No it wasn't.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, it was. The neo-anarchist and libertarian faux rage here fools no one.

 

[bripat9643]

If Jarlaxle and bripat are one side, all others are aware the good side is in the other part of the room.

Sorry, kids, anarchism and libertarianism are for the shit hole, not for America.

The orderlies at the old-folks home are looking for you, Fakey. You need to take your Alzheimer's medication.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If Jarlaxle and bripat are one side, all others are aware the good side is in the other part of the room.

Sorry, kids, anarchism and libertarianism are for the shit hole, not for America.

The orderlies at the old-folks home are looking for you, Fakey. You need to take your Alzheimer's medication.

They found you trying to be compos mentis, captured you and took you back to the home, kid.

Have fun watching TV tonight.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, it was. The neo-anarchist and libertarian faux rage here fools no one.

Wrong again, Fakey. There is no category for having a picture of a gun on your shirt.

 

[bripat9643]

If Jarlaxle and bripat are one side, all others are aware the good side is in the other part of the room.

Sorry, kids, anarchism and libertarianism are for the shit hole, not for America.

The orderlies at the old-folks home are looking for you, Fakey. You need to take your Alzheimer's medication.

They found you trying to be compos mentis, captured you and took you back to the home, kid.

Have fun watching TV tonight.

?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, it was. The neo-anarchist and libertarian faux rage here fools no one.

Wrong again, Fakey. There is no category for having a picture of a gun on your shirt.

yes, you are wrong again. the rules and regs were clear. the boy defied the teacher, defied the principal, defied the police. a psychiatric hospital for teenage boys who do not get it is in his future.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yes, it was. The neo-anarchist and libertarian faux rage here fools no one.

Wrong again, Fakey. There is no category for having a picture of a gun on your shirt.

yes, you are wrong again. the rules and regs were clear. the boy defied the teacher, defied the principal, defied the police. a psychiatric hospital for teenage boys who do not get it is in his future.

No, he defied what is known as the Political Correctness police. You on the other hand defy all logic. Saying that people expressing their political beliefs belong in mental institutions is pretty out of touch.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What political correctness, Game Boy. He has every right to specify his belief within the school regs and rules. He doesn't get to tell a teacher "no" and think he can walk away unscathed.

He is going to a teen lockup.

 

[TemplarKormac]

What political correctness, Game Boy. He has every right to specify his belief within the school regs and rules. He doesn't get to tell a teacher "no" and think he can walk away unscathed.

He is going to a teen lockup.

School rules do not stop freedom of expression. What do you think America is? The New USSR?

 

[JakeStarkey]

What political correctness, Game Boy. He has every right to specify his belief within the school regs and rules. He doesn't get to tell a teacher "no" and think he can walk away unscathed.

He is going to a teen lockup.

School rules do not stop freedom of expression. What do you think America is? The New USSR?

Your child follows school rules or he is suspended: nothing new there in a 150 years.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, it was. The neo-anarchist and libertarian faux rage here fools no one.

Wrong again, Fakey. There is no category for having a picture of a gun on your shirt.

yes, you are wrong again. the rules and regs were clear. the boy defied the teacher, defied the principal, defied the police. a psychiatric hospital for teenage boys who do not get it is in his future.

What school rule says he can't have a picture of a gun on his shirt?