1987's Gay Manifesto Then & Now. How Much of it Rings True Today?

[Steve_McGarrett]

Keep on posting Silhoette. As many people on here may not like it there is a lot of truth in what you post. I knew such a case very well as this "he wasn't "born gay". He was made-gay." Poor spent his life trying to fit in somewhere but could not find where it was he should be.

Exception that there isn't. As Sil has no explanation for all the gays and lesbians who were never molested. Or those who were molested and didn't become gay or lesbian. Or gays and lesbians who were molested by opposite sex criminals.

Sil is merely repeating the same nonsense that people like you *already* believe. So he's not convincing you of anything. He's preaching to his choir.

For any rational person with an even semblance of understanding of causation, Sil's claims are pseudo-intellectual gibberish. As if your 'effect" (being gay or lesbian) occurs regardless of the presense of your cause (being molested by a same sex criminal), your cause isn't.

Your entitled to your opinion. Too bad you do not agree very well others are entitle to theirs from what they have seen happen in people that they actually know in their own extended families.

Then perhaps you can explain it. How are gay people only 'made' when they haven't been molested?

Either you have an explanation....or you have to admit that Sil's completely full of shit. As you can't establish causation when your 'effect' exists even when your 'cause' doesn't.

I did not say all gay people or all lesbians are that away from abuse but the fact is many wind up in those situations of not knowing which is right or wrong for them personally. A child molested by a family member that did not care whether they were molesting boys or girl or even their own child grows up with mental defects.

Kids who are molested often get screwed up.

Now I see what your problem is and why you support Obama. It all makes sense now!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

How is it that porn is allowed here?

 

[aris2chat]

You sure think about pedophilia a lot. An awful lot.

Well...not as much as Delta. But yeah, I do. I suppose knowing someone who died in his early 30s from AIDS as a result of untreated mental wounds from being molested as a little boy does tend to draw the mind back. You know why I'm here. Why are you?

A lot of people have known someone who had HIV or AIDs, even if they were never told of the virus. Many have know someone who was molested or raped. Sadly it touches almost everyone in some way.
You don't get AIDs from mental wounds or PTSD. Untreated or under treated PTSD, your friend might have engaged in promiscuous behavior or illegal IV drugs. You are talking about more than 10 yrs that your friend could have gotten help and might not have died. Why did you not reach out and try to get help for your friend before it was too late? Even with HIV or AIDs, people can live well beyond 15 yrs with the disease and many are dying from other causes instead..

This was the 1980s-1990s. Nowadays he would not be allowed to have gotten help as a matter of law in California where he lived. Because you see, the root of all his future destructive behaviors was the result of having been molested. You may be new to his story but part of it was that he was still mentally attracted to/falling in love with women while unable to perform with them sexually because of the imprinting done to him as a boy by a man.

ie: he wasn't "born gay". He was made-gay. And that was the seat of all his angst. His only resolution would have been to seek reparative therapy as a minor, while there was still time, or to be told to embrace his artificial sexuality. Instead, he just went out untreated into the world to express his deep anger and promiscuity as yet another boy victim unwilling to come out to others about what was done to him for fear of either being told it was "OK", or of getting who it was in deep deep trouble (a technique used by molestors who often know the boy quite well and who scare him of "what will happen if you tell")

Hence we have an epidemic in our society of untreated non-gay "gay" boys who go out and express their angst by being AIDS-terrorists or today, mass shooting Christians. We owe it to ourselves to get to the root of these boys' troubles and get them repaired while they still have time to do so. Except in CA and NJ of course where it's now illegal for a therapist to get them the help they want and need...

Those who are molested or abuse, can sometimes repeat the behavior. That does not make him gay, it makes him an abuser


Child Abuse Victims Don't Always Become Adult Abusers

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You sure think about pedophilia a lot. An awful lot.

Well...not as much as Delta. But yeah, I do. I suppose knowing someone who died in his early 30s from AIDS as a result of untreated mental wounds from being molested as a little boy does tend to draw the mind back. You know why I'm here. Why are you?

A lot of people have known someone who had HIV or AIDs, even if they were never told of the virus. Many have know someone who was molested or raped. Sadly it touches almost everyone in some way.
You don't get AIDs from mental wounds or PTSD. Untreated or under treated PTSD, your friend might have engaged in promiscuous behavior or illegal IV drugs. You are talking about more than 10 yrs that your friend could have gotten help and might not have died. Why did you not reach out and try to get help for your friend before it was too late? Even with HIV or AIDs, people can live well beyond 15 yrs with the disease and many are dying from other causes instead..

This was the 1980s-1990s. Nowadays he would not be allowed to have gotten help as a matter of law in California where he lived. Because you see, the root of all his future destructive behaviors was the result of having been molested. You may be new to his story but part of it was that he was still mentally attracted to/falling in love with women while unable to perform with them sexually because of the imprinting done to him as a boy by a man.

ie: he wasn't "born gay". He was made-gay. And that was the seat of all his angst. His only resolution would have been to seek reparative therapy as a minor, while there was still time, or to be told to embrace his artificial sexuality. Instead, he just went out untreated into the world to express his deep anger and promiscuity as yet another boy victim unwilling to come out to others about what was done to him for fear of either being told it was "OK", or of getting who it was in deep deep trouble (a technique used by molestors who often know the boy quite well and who scare him of "what will happen if you tell")

Hence we have an epidemic in our society of untreated non-gay "gay" boys who go out and express their angst by being AIDS-terrorists or today, mass shooting Christians. We owe it to ourselves to get to the root of these boys' troubles and get them repaired while they still have time to do so. Except in CA and NJ of course where it's now illegal for a therapist to get them the help they want and need...

Those who are molested or abuse, can sometimes repeat the behavior. That does not make him gay, it makes him an abuser


Child Abuse Victims Don't Always Become Adult Abusers

There's a lot of grey in this area. Some are truly pedophiles, attracted to prepubescent boys or girls. But then you have the pederasts who go after adolescent boys and are primarily gay, that is, they are attracted to boys well on there way to becoming men and they engage in relations with adult men too.

This is also true on the heterosexual side. We all were shocked when Chris Hansen ran the "To Catch A Predator" series on Dateline MSNBC. Heterosexual men drove sometimes for hours to have sex with what they thought was a 13 year old girl. They were lining up for miles around! And we're talking about married men, some with daughters the age of the girl they were trying to engage with. Youth pastors, teachers, rabbis, even police officers, all heterosexual, all wanting to sexually abuse a minor.

So we see that sexuality doesn't into neat little cubicles. It's a spectrum that often includes adults and children. Gay men do go after boys and it's time we stop putting our heads in the sand about that.

 

[Silhouette]

How is it that porn is allowed here?

Right? But just try to post about a gay manifesto like I did originally and the staff will find a way to disappear the thread into a "health and lifestyle" forum...

If you are profane, vulgar, hyper-sexualized and perverse, you enjoy 100% unfettered free speech. If you are posting about the negative aspects of being profane, vulgar, hyper-sexualized and perverse, you will be censored. Welcome to the manifest end of the gay manifesto. Read it.

 

[TheOldSchool]

How is it that porn is allowed here?

Right? But just try to post about a gay manifesto like I did originally and the staff will find a way to disappear the thread into a "health and lifestyle" forum...

If you are profane, vulgar, hyper-sexualized and perverse, you enjoy 100% unfettered free speech. If you are posting about the negative aspects of being profane, vulgar, hyper-sexualized and perverse, you will be censored. Welcome to the manifest end of the gay manifesto. Read it.

Lol that's hilarious you complain about the staff. How many times have you run to westwall about me you c*nt?

 

[Silhouette]

Lol that's hilarious you complain about the staff. How many times have you run to westwall about me you c*nt?

That's not the point is it? The point is that the manifesto in the OP is supported by that you can call people c*nt and post porn; while my pointing out that your doing so is perverse gets thrown in the dungeon. It's exactly how the manifesto wanted the scales tipped at this point in the future (then being 1987). And voila! Here we are.. All-things perverse: center stage with zero censorship. All things expository about how vulgar the perversity is? Broom closet down the hall on the left (and we'll be locking the door behind you..)

 

[Syriusly]

You sure think about pedophilia a lot. An awful lot.

Well...not as much as Delta. But yeah, I do. I suppose knowing someone who died in his early 30s from AIDS as a result of untreated mental wounds from being molested as a little boy does tend to draw the mind back. You know why I'm here. Why are you?

A lot of people have known someone who had HIV or AIDs, even if they were never told of the virus. Many have know someone who was molested or raped. Sadly it touches almost everyone in some way.
You don't get AIDs from mental wounds or PTSD. Untreated or under treated PTSD, your friend might have engaged in promiscuous behavior or illegal IV drugs. You are talking about more than 10 yrs that your friend could have gotten help and might not have died. Why did you not reach out and try to get help for your friend before it was too late? Even with HIV or AIDs, people can live well beyond 15 yrs with the disease and many are dying from other causes instead..

This was the 1980s-1990s. Nowadays he would not be allowed to have gotten help as a matter of law in California where he lived. Because you see, the root of all his future destructive behaviors was the result of having been molested. You may be new to his story but part of it was that he was still mentally attracted to/falling in love with women while unable to perform with them sexually because of the imprinting done to him as a boy by a man.

ie: he wasn't "born gay". He was made-gay. And that was the seat of all his angst. His only resolution would have been to seek reparative therapy as a minor, while there was still time, or to be told to embrace his artificial sexuality. Instead, he just went out untreated into the world to express his deep anger and promiscuity as yet another boy victim unwilling to come out to others about what was done to him for fear of either being told it was "OK", or of getting who it was in deep deep trouble (a technique used by molestors who often know the boy quite well and who scare him of "what will happen if you tell")

Hence we have an epidemic in our society of untreated non-gay "gay" boys who go out and express their angst by being AIDS-terrorists or today, mass shooting Christians. We owe it to ourselves to get to the root of these boys' troubles and get them repaired while they still have time to do so. Except in CA and NJ of course where it's now illegal for a therapist to get them the help they want and need...

Those who are molested or abuse, can sometimes repeat the behavior. That does not make him gay, it makes him an abuser


Child Abuse Victims Don't Always Become Adult Abusers

So we see that sexuality doesn't into neat little cubicles. It's a spectrum that often includes adults and children. Gay men do go after boys and it's time we stop putting our heads in the sand about that.

You were doing so well until your last sentence.

Of course 'gay men' can be predators- just as 'straight men' can be predators.

My objection is to those who use the issue of child molestation as just another tool to attack homosexuals.

Which is virtually every thread in which child molestation is the topic here at USMB.

We can all agree- child molestation is wrong.

But those who only want to talk about gay men molesting boys puts all children at greater risk.

Jerry Sandusky is a great example- here was an openly straight man- no known history of homosexual conduct in his life- and a sports icon- who parents trusted with their boys. And he was a child molester.

And if they listed to the homophobes on USMB why wouldn't they- because people like Silhouette make it seem like child molestation only happens by gay men to boys- and ignore the vast majority of child molestation that does not fit that pattern.

If we want to 'stop putting our heads in the sand' then we would recognize that who is most likely to molest- and who is least likely to molest- and educate parents on how to protect their children.

Who is most likely to molest?
Men- gay or straight.
More specifically- men who are close relatives- uncles, stepfathers, brothers, step brothers- even fathers.
After that- men in position of authority and with opportunities to be near children- ministers, coaches, scout leaders, teachers, youth group leaders- like Jerry Sandusky.

Least likely to molest- women. Any women- straight or gay.

Silhouette only discusses molestation in the context of gay men molesting boys.

As she only discusses anything else in context of condemning homosexuals.

By doing so- she puts all children at greater risk.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You sure think about pedophilia a lot. An awful lot.

Well...not as much as Delta. But yeah, I do. I suppose knowing someone who died in his early 30s from AIDS as a result of untreated mental wounds from being molested as a little boy does tend to draw the mind back. You know why I'm here. Why are you?

A lot of people have known someone who had HIV or AIDs, even if they were never told of the virus. Many have know someone who was molested or raped. Sadly it touches almost everyone in some way.
You don't get AIDs from mental wounds or PTSD. Untreated or under treated PTSD, your friend might have engaged in promiscuous behavior or illegal IV drugs. You are talking about more than 10 yrs that your friend could have gotten help and might not have died. Why did you not reach out and try to get help for your friend before it was too late? Even with HIV or AIDs, people can live well beyond 15 yrs with the disease and many are dying from other causes instead..

This was the 1980s-1990s. Nowadays he would not be allowed to have gotten help as a matter of law in California where he lived. Because you see, the root of all his future destructive behaviors was the result of having been molested. You may be new to his story but part of it was that he was still mentally attracted to/falling in love with women while unable to perform with them sexually because of the imprinting done to him as a boy by a man.

ie: he wasn't "born gay". He was made-gay. And that was the seat of all his angst. His only resolution would have been to seek reparative therapy as a minor, while there was still time, or to be told to embrace his artificial sexuality. Instead, he just went out untreated into the world to express his deep anger and promiscuity as yet another boy victim unwilling to come out to others about what was done to him for fear of either being told it was "OK", or of getting who it was in deep deep trouble (a technique used by molestors who often know the boy quite well and who scare him of "what will happen if you tell")

Hence we have an epidemic in our society of untreated non-gay "gay" boys who go out and express their angst by being AIDS-terrorists or today, mass shooting Christians. We owe it to ourselves to get to the root of these boys' troubles and get them repaired while they still have time to do so. Except in CA and NJ of course where it's now illegal for a therapist to get them the help they want and need...

Those who are molested or abuse, can sometimes repeat the behavior. That does not make him gay, it makes him an abuser


Child Abuse Victims Don't Always Become Adult Abusers

So we see that sexuality doesn't into neat little cubicles. It's a spectrum that often includes adults and children. Gay men do go after boys and it's time we stop putting our heads in the sand about that.

You were doing so well until your last sentence.

Of course 'gay men' can be predators- just as 'straight men' can be predators.

My objection is to those who use the issue of child molestation as just another tool to attack homosexuals.

Which is virtually every thread in which child molestation is the topic here at USMB.

We can all agree- child molestation is wrong.

But those who only want to talk about gay men molesting boys puts all children at greater risk.

Jerry Sandusky is a great example- here was an openly straight man- no known history of homosexual conduct in his life- and a sports icon- who parents trusted with their boys. And he was a child molester.

And if they listed to the homophobes on USMB why wouldn't they- because people like Silhouette make it seem like child molestation only happens by gay men to boys- and ignore the vast majority of child molestation that does not fit that pattern.

If we want to 'stop putting our heads in the sand' then we would recognize that who is most likely to molest- and who is least likely to molest- and educate parents on how to protect their children.

Who is most likely to molest?
Men- gay or straight.
More specifically- men who are close relatives- uncles, stepfathers, brothers, step brothers- even fathers.
After that- men in position of authority and with opportunities to be near children- ministers, coaches, scout leaders, teachers, youth group leaders- like Jerry Sandusky.

Least likely to molest- women. Any women- straight or gay.

Silhouette only discusses molestation in the context of gay men molesting boys.

As she only discusses anything else in context of condemning homosexuals.

By doing so- she puts all children at greater risk.

I think we're mostly in agreement here. Keys went and started a thread that implied a pedophile who has never molested children is an example of the Left promoting sexual child abuse. I have plenty of strong criticisms of the Left but I like to think they're all rational and rooted in reality.

Personally I don't see homosexuals pushing the sexualizing of children, I see the Left, having championed gay rights, moving on to push further perversions on captive audiences of children in our public schools. My criticism of gays is that they don't forcefully distance themselves from this. But they chose to be represented by LGBT which lumps in transgender freaks with homosexuals, so of course they're taciturn.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Michael Swift’s Homosexual Manifesto: (written in 1987)

We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all-male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.

...

Michael was the Papal Nuncio?

 

[skookerasbil]

this thread is ghey

 

[Syriusly]

You sure think about pedophilia a lot. An awful lot.

Well...not as much as Delta. But yeah, I do. I suppose knowing someone who died in his early 30s from AIDS as a result of untreated mental wounds from being molested as a little boy does tend to draw the mind back. You know why I'm here. Why are you?

A lot of people have known someone who had HIV or AIDs, even if they were never told of the virus. Many have know someone who was molested or raped. Sadly it touches almost everyone in some way.
You don't get AIDs from mental wounds or PTSD. Untreated or under treated PTSD, your friend might have engaged in promiscuous behavior or illegal IV drugs. You are talking about more than 10 yrs that your friend could have gotten help and might not have died. Why did you not reach out and try to get help for your friend before it was too late? Even with HIV or AIDs, people can live well beyond 15 yrs with the disease and many are dying from other causes instead..

This was the 1980s-1990s. Nowadays he would not be allowed to have gotten help as a matter of law in California where he lived. Because you see, the root of all his future destructive behaviors was the result of having been molested. You may be new to his story but part of it was that he was still mentally attracted to/falling in love with women while unable to perform with them sexually because of the imprinting done to him as a boy by a man.

ie: he wasn't "born gay". He was made-gay. And that was the seat of all his angst. His only resolution would have been to seek reparative therapy as a minor, while there was still time, or to be told to embrace his artificial sexuality. Instead, he just went out untreated into the world to express his deep anger and promiscuity as yet another boy victim unwilling to come out to others about what was done to him for fear of either being told it was "OK", or of getting who it was in deep deep trouble (a technique used by molestors who often know the boy quite well and who scare him of "what will happen if you tell")

Hence we have an epidemic in our society of untreated non-gay "gay" boys who go out and express their angst by being AIDS-terrorists or today, mass shooting Christians. We owe it to ourselves to get to the root of these boys' troubles and get them repaired while they still have time to do so. Except in CA and NJ of course where it's now illegal for a therapist to get them the help they want and need...

Those who are molested or abuse, can sometimes repeat the behavior. That does not make him gay, it makes him an abuser


Child Abuse Victims Don't Always Become Adult Abusers

So we see that sexuality doesn't into neat little cubicles. It's a spectrum that often includes adults and children. Gay men do go after boys and it's time we stop putting our heads in the sand about that.

You were doing so well until your last sentence.

Of course 'gay men' can be predators- just as 'straight men' can be predators.

My objection is to those who use the issue of child molestation as just another tool to attack homosexuals.

Which is virtually every thread in which child molestation is the topic here at USMB.

We can all agree- child molestation is wrong.

But those who only want to talk about gay men molesting boys puts all children at greater risk.

Jerry Sandusky is a great example- here was an openly straight man- no known history of homosexual conduct in his life- and a sports icon- who parents trusted with their boys. And he was a child molester.

And if they listed to the homophobes on USMB why wouldn't they- because people like Silhouette make it seem like child molestation only happens by gay men to boys- and ignore the vast majority of child molestation that does not fit that pattern.

If we want to 'stop putting our heads in the sand' then we would recognize that who is most likely to molest- and who is least likely to molest- and educate parents on how to protect their children.

Who is most likely to molest?
Men- gay or straight.
More specifically- men who are close relatives- uncles, stepfathers, brothers, step brothers- even fathers.
After that- men in position of authority and with opportunities to be near children- ministers, coaches, scout leaders, teachers, youth group leaders- like Jerry Sandusky.

Least likely to molest- women. Any women- straight or gay.

Silhouette only discusses molestation in the context of gay men molesting boys.

As she only discusses anything else in context of condemning homosexuals.

By doing so- she puts all children at greater risk.

I think we're mostly in agreement here. Keys went and started a thread that implied a pedophile who has never molested children is an example of the Left promoting sexual child abuse. I have plenty of strong criticisms of the Left but I like to think they're all rational and rooted in reality.

Personally I don't see homosexuals pushing the sexualizing of children, I see the Left, having championed gay rights, moving on to push further perversions on captive audiences of children in our public schools..

Then we are in agreement that we should condemn child molesters.

We disagree when it comes to equating pushing for equal rights for Americans that are gay- to promoting 'further perversions to children'.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

This was the 1980s-1990s. Nowadays he would not be allowed to have gotten help as a matter of law in California where he lived. Because you see, the root of all his future destructive behaviors was the result of having been molested. You may be new to his story but part of it was that he was still mentally attracted to/falling in love with women while unable to perform with them sexually because of the imprinting done to him as a boy by a man.

ie: he wasn't "born gay". He was made-gay. And that was the seat of all his angst. His only resolution would have been to seek reparative therapy as a minor, while there was still time, or to be told to embrace his artificial sexuality. Instead, he just went out untreated into the world to express his deep anger and promiscuity as yet another boy victim unwilling to come out to others about what was done to him for fear of either being told it was "OK", or of getting who it was in deep deep trouble (a technique used by molestors who often know the boy quite well and who scare him of "what will happen if you tell")

Hence we have an epidemic in our society of untreated non-gay "gay" boys who go out and express their angst by being AIDS-terrorists or today, mass shooting Christians. We owe it to ourselves to get to the root of these boys' troubles and get them repaired while they still have time to do so. Except in CA and NJ of course where it's now illegal for a therapist to get them the help they want and need...

Those who are molested or abuse, can sometimes repeat the behavior. That does not make him gay, it makes him an abuser


Child Abuse Victims Don't Always Become Adult Abusers

So we see that sexuality doesn't into neat little cubicles. It's a spectrum that often includes adults and children. Gay men do go after boys and it's time we stop putting our heads in the sand about that.

You were doing so well until your last sentence.

Of course 'gay men' can be predators- just as 'straight men' can be predators.

My objection is to those who use the issue of child molestation as just another tool to attack homosexuals.

Which is virtually every thread in which child molestation is the topic here at USMB.

We can all agree- child molestation is wrong.

But those who only want to talk about gay men molesting boys puts all children at greater risk.

Jerry Sandusky is a great example- here was an openly straight man- no known history of homosexual conduct in his life- and a sports icon- who parents trusted with their boys. And he was a child molester.

And if they listed to the homophobes on USMB why wouldn't they- because people like Silhouette make it seem like child molestation only happens by gay men to boys- and ignore the vast majority of child molestation that does not fit that pattern.

If we want to 'stop putting our heads in the sand' then we would recognize that who is most likely to molest- and who is least likely to molest- and educate parents on how to protect their children.

Who is most likely to molest?
Men- gay or straight.
More specifically- men who are close relatives- uncles, stepfathers, brothers, step brothers- even fathers.
After that- men in position of authority and with opportunities to be near children- ministers, coaches, scout leaders, teachers, youth group leaders- like Jerry Sandusky.

Least likely to molest- women. Any women- straight or gay.

Silhouette only discusses molestation in the context of gay men molesting boys.

As she only discusses anything else in context of condemning homosexuals.

By doing so- she puts all children at greater risk.

I think we're mostly in agreement here. Keys went and started a thread that implied a pedophile who has never molested children is an example of the Left promoting sexual child abuse. I have plenty of strong criticisms of the Left but I like to think they're all rational and rooted in reality.

Personally I don't see homosexuals pushing the sexualizing of children, I see the Left, having championed gay rights, moving on to push further perversions on captive audiences of children in our public schools..

Then we are in agreement that we should condemn child molesters.

We disagree when it comes to equating pushing for equal rights for Americans that are gay- to promoting 'further perversions to children'.

What does anal fisting have to do with the gay movement? My point is the true perverts are the Leftists who are certainly going way beyond gay parity and pushing things that disgust even my gay friends.

 

[Silhouette]

Then we are in agreement that we should condemn child molesters.

We disagree when it comes to equating pushing for equal rights for Americans that are gay- to promoting 'further perversions to children'.

Have you actually read Swift's manifesto? Might want to take another look at it. Since most of it has come true, why would we suppose you'll draw a magic line at training up boys to be gay?

 

[Silhouette]

What does anal fisting have to do with the gay movement? My point is the true perverts are the Leftists who are certainly going way beyond gay parity and pushing things that disgust even my gay friends.

Well they'd better buck up and get with the manifesto "or else"...

For example: 2 Gay Italian Designers Slam Elton John's "Synthetic Babies" | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

It's funny how the faithful in a cult progress. At first Elton John was against gay marriage. Then "suddenly" he was all for it and is now persecuting those who do not agree with it within the gay-fold. Exactly like inductees to a cult do. Exactly. Elton John's pressure threatened to harm the Italian's designing label and so wielding that power, John forced Dolce & Gabbana to apologize publicly for daring to hold the opinion that children should have both a mother and father...

John and his gay partner have two little boys. It's funny but true you know, how gay men only seem interested in adopting boys. I mean, yeah, there's the rare exception here and there, but predominantly...boys... I wonder if anyone's done a survey on the gender of children gay men adopt?

Both Elton John and David Furnish, his partner, grew up with a mother and father.

 

[aris2chat]

What does anal fisting have to do with the gay movement? My point is the true perverts are the Leftists who are certainly going way beyond gay parity and pushing things that disgust even my gay friends.

Well they'd better buck up and get with the manifesto "or else"...

For example: 2 Gay Italian Designers Slam Elton John's "Synthetic Babies" | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

It's funny how the faithful in a cult progress. At first Elton John was against gay marriage. Then "suddenly" he was all for it and is now persecuting those who do not agree with it within the gay-fold. Exactly like inductees to a cult do. Exactly. Elton John's pressure threatened to harm the Italian's designing label and so wielding that power, John forced Dolce & Gabbana to apologize publicly for daring to hold the opinion that children should have both a mother and father...

John and his gay partner have two little boys. It's funny but true you know, how gay men only seem interested in adopting boys. I mean, yeah, there's the rare exception here and there, but predominantly...boys... I wonder if anyone's done a survey on the gender of children gay men adopt?

Both Elton John and David Furnish, his partner, grew up with a mother and father.

boys were not adopted, the mother was a surrogate

 

[Silhouette]

boys were not adopted, the mother was a surrogate

Lucky for them that both times turned out to be boys. Probably had a clause in the contract that if a girl was born they got a second or third try until they got a boy.

 

[Moonglow]

No one has sodomized my heterosexual sons, eat shit...and live....

 

[aris2chat]

boys were not adopted, the mother was a surrogate

Lucky for them that both times turned out to be boys. Probably had a clause in the contract that if a girl was born they got a second or third try until they got a boy.

Women adopt or have sperm donors, are you accusing them of molesting their children?

Many gay men are raising kids, boys and girls.

Pedophiles are usually heterosexuals not gays

Do all fathers molest their sons? Why would you assume gay fathers are any different than loving parents?

 

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boys were not adopted, the mother was a surrogate

Lucky for them that both times turned out to be boys. Probably had a clause in the contract that if a girl was born they got a second or third try until they got a boy.

Women adopt or have sperm donors, are you accusing them of molesting their children?

Many gay men are raising kids, boys and girls.

Pedophiles are usually heterosexuals not gays

Do all fathers molest their sons? Why would you assume gay fathers are any different than loving parents?

Then you argue that Fathers should be allowed to marry sons, right?

You realize that sex is not a requirement of marriage, Right?

When you "marketed" this as gay marriage, not same sex marriage YOU opened that door.

Marriage now is simply a mutually beneficial partnership, without hardly any non arbitrary qualifications, that allow the partners to decide the qualifications for

As defined, no reason not to allow anyone to marry anyone else. Incest will still be illegal, in or outside marriage.