1st Amendment vs. Bumper Sticker "FU Trump and FU You for Voting for Him"

[frigidweirdo]

Well then how about the nation shut trump up as I am tired of hearing his sick persona.

Dear Tax Man the best way to shut people up
is to find some point where you can honestly say
"Yes, you're right"

When you find where you AGREE with someone
on one point or one part of a plan, then working
on that common ground will either lead to positive
constructive relations and focus, or will "shut people
up or down" if they are not serious and you are calling them
on it with "reverse psychology" by "giving them what they want."

Just do this SINCERELY and find where you REALLY agree on something, and it works.

EX: finding out that Green progressive Sanders supporters who believe
in worker owned cooperatives ACTUALLY WOULD AGREE with
conservative like Sean Hannity arguing for health care coops.
And Obama and Ben Carson BOTH AGREE That microlending
and business training/education would be the more effective
sustainable way to end dependence on welfare handouts
and promote self-reliance and liberation from poverty and economic problems.

If you stick with points of AGREEMENT again
either people are SERIOUS and will WORK on common solutions
or they will STFU if they are just complaining and don't care to follow up on any real solutions
to the problems they just want to blame on someone else.

Yes, you have $10 million and I want $10 million, so let's come to a compromise, you give me half of what you have, $5 million and I'll give you half of what I have $0 and everyone's happy.

Well frigidweirdo close
but to get me to agree equally:
let's both agree to raise 10 million for good causes,
such as let's raise 10 million to set up conflict resolution between
parties to resolve political beliefs per issue.

Then you and I both raise 5 million each.
If we set a goal or make a bet or contest
such as: whoever raises 5 million first, or whoever wins the bet,
that person's 5 million goes to the other person's cause.

I offered to make bets such as
betting that the factor of "forgiveness" can be proven as
the key to spiritual healing methods that can be demonstrated as natural, voluntary,
safe and effective by medical research
and that by applying this to conflict resolution,
theists and nontheists can form an agreement
that "Christ Jesus" means "restorative justice" or "peace and justice"
or "equal justice under law" to stop fighting over secular vs religious approaches to justice.

Or that we can reach an agreement between parties
to recognize equal "political beliefs" and quit fighting
over beliefs about health care, gun and voting rights, marriage etc
by treating these as beliefs and letting party members invest
their taxes into the progrms of their choice instead of imposing or interfering with each other.

FW since you seem quite capable of facilitating and communicating
points of agreement vs disagreement
would you liek to try setting up a 10 million dollar bet or challenge?
Let's pick a goal, I will challenge you,
and we can both try raising 5 million each!

Then depending what the bet or goal is, sure
I will agree to bet you where the money could
go all to your fund or all to mine, whoever wins, as long as it
is set up where everyone is going to win anyway, I see no problem
making it a friendly fun bet or challenge to promote a good cause!

Thanks FW

But that's not really what you're saying, is it? You have an analogy that doesn't work with what you actually expect of people.

What analogy are you saying doesn't work? frigidweirdo

What I expect of people is to follow their own beliefs in finding solutions that
fit their agenda and what they will agree to invest in as solving their problems.

What are you saying doesn't work toward that goal?

Your analogy that we raise cash and give it to charity. This has nothing to do with my analogy and nothing to do with what you were talking about either.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Wait a minute you are offended and your feeling Hurt because someone has a "Fuck Trump" sign on their Vehicle ?

Here you go

 

[DarkFury]

Different rules regarding profanity in different towns. We have the same thing here with word filters.
No right was violated. No story.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

FUCK DONALD TRUMP WITH A CACTUS DILDO

 

[Chuz Life]

A sheriff went looking for a truck with a profane anti-Trump sticker. He found controversy instead.

Texas penal code describes disorderly conduct as “intentionally or knowingly [using] abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of peace.” Making “an offensive gesture or display in a public place” is also prohibited if “the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of peace.”


But the ACLU cited a 1971 Supreme Court decision, Cohen v. California, in which the high court overturned a man’s disturbing-the-peace conviction after he’d gone to a courthouse in Los Angeles wearing a jacket that said “F‑‑k the Draft.”

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I don't agree that the environment in a CA courtroom is the same as displaying an obscene advertisement on a car sticker in public and especially on roadways with moving traffic (and children in cars who could be exposed). I believe the best way to address these cases are locally, between the people complaining who are directly affected.

I agree with the Sheriff in resolving complaints that the obscene sticker was causing disruption of the peace, distraction to drivers, and a nuisance to the local residents.

If someone advertised an obscene message on a car, or had an obscene reference on a license plate, this would not be allowed. Kids can be exposed to the obscenity without a way to "change the channel" or avoid the source. Obscene words in public broadcasts such as radio/TV are not allowed during regular hours, though some restrictions are relaxed for late night.

I also agree that the drivers/displayers of the bumper sticker have the right to free speech and to seek permission to exercise their rights. But if the residents around them say no, that's not welcome, they have the right to refuse being imposed upon as well. You can't just walk into a public place and make obscene gestures or statements, or other people will complain; someone will have to ask the person to resolve the issue civilly and not disturb others with the obscene language used.

I agree with both sides, and would have asked them to resolve it mutually.
The way this case ended, the authorities found open warrants on the driver and pursued an arrest for that.

They still didn't resolve the root issue. I think it is up to the people affected locally to decide if it is disruptive or not. In these case, too many people complained to authorities, so apparently it was considered disruptive and a breach of the peace.

The Sheriff handled it respectfully as possible, and only sought to communicate the complaints to the driver to request they resolve it. The driver refused, so they found another way around it.

A shitstain with outstanding warrants blames Trump and everyone who voted for him for all their own shortcomings in life?

Color me surprised.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Color me surprised.

and by the way FUCK TRUMP

 

[rightwinger]

Republican Snowflakes are so sensitive about things that hurt their feelings

A safe space may be in order

 

[Anathema]

Regardless of the message, I would suggest that sticker blocks more than the allowable portion of the rear window of the vehicle, making it a driving hazard. I'm not sure what the statutes are for that in Texas, but I know that in numerous states that would be a ticket-able offense in and of itself.

 

[jknowgood]

Fantastic bumper sticker

You loonies have lost your mind.

 

[jknowgood]

HALP! I'm being provoked by bumper sticker!

You use that language around your kids?

 

[jknowgood]

HALP! I'm being provoked by bumper sticker!

Triggered by a bumper sticker!

No, but children shouldn't be shown that kind of language.

 

[jknowgood]

HALP! I'm being provoked by bumper sticker!

Triggered by a bumper sticker!

Lol, you snowflakes are triggered by statues.

 

[mdk]

HALP! I'm being provoked by bumper sticker!

You use that language around your kids?

I don't have kids and I wouldn't; however, if I did it wouldn't be illegal.

 

[jknowgood]

Fantastic bumper sticker

It's a crappy bumper sticker. She doesn't know why some people voted for Trump yet she chooses to make it personal by adding the F YOU part. She is being a crappy citizen and honestly very selfish, exposing kids to also seeing this. kids are exposed to enough already. This is a mother of 12? what the F is wrong with her?

really? how about if someone drove around with a bumper sticker that said F. U. Blacks lives matter and F. U. for supporting them? you wouldnt find that confrontational? or would you consider that to be 'Fine' free speech?

She knows why plenty of people voted for Trump. Thus the “fuck you.”

No it doesnt deserve a "fuck you" there were only two candidates to choose from. many people who voted for Hilalry for example would rather have voted for Sanders or someone else, but they bit their tongue and pulled the lever for Hillary.
The fact that we have reached the point where it is OK to say "fuck you " in great big letters on the back of your window shows where we are as a nation, everybody wants " respect" when it comes to their particular group , yet when you disagree with them it's "fuck you" now, because they follow every stereotype.
I remember a better time when politics didnt define everyday people as much as it does today. I blame these corrupt politicians who through their use of news media over decades have turned us against each other, magnifying every fault in us , for the sole purpose of getting themselves elected.

Plenty of people voted for Trump in the primaries. Those people deserve as many "fuck you's" as can be managed.

Yes, but he kept Hillary out of the white house, great man!

 

[jknowgood]

HALP! I'm being provoked by bumper sticker!

You use that language around your kids?

I don't have kids and I wouldn't; however, if I did it wouldn't be illegal.

No, it's no illegal, but lack of respect for fellow Americans. She could've put screw you instead.

 

[jknowgood]

It's tacky, but it's a free speech issue. You have bigger problems if a bumper sticker can provoke you to violent encounters.

No, it's NOT a free speech issue. I'm sick and damned tired of hearing people shout, "First Amendment!" to try to justify doing whatever they want, whenever they want, with no recognition of the rights of other people and demanding that there be no consequences whatsoever.

This is why communities have disorderly conduct laws: to delineate the point where your "freedom of speech" starts infringing on everyone else's freedoms.

Well then how about the nation shut trump up as I am tired of hearing his sick persona.

Yeah we know, make America great again disturbs you.

 

[jknowgood]

No, it's NOT a free speech issue. I'm sick and damned tired of hearing people shout, "First Amendment!" to try to justify doing whatever they want, whenever they want, with no recognition of the rights of other people and demanding that there be no consequences whatsoever.

This is why communities have disorderly conduct laws: to delineate the point where your "freedom of speech" starts infringing on everyone else's freedoms.

Be sick and tired of it all you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that having a swear on your truck isn't aganist the law. It's tacky and vulgar, but shouldn't be aganist the law in the my opinion. Also, you're freedom isn't being infringed upon b/c you read curse words in public. Truck Nutz are crass as well. Should they be made illegal as well?

In South Carolina you will get pulled over for them. I forgot about those things. Lol

 

[jknowgood]

Needless to say, if the same bumper sticker was being displayed saying the same thing with the exact same words, except referring to Clinton, there’d be no issue, and no threat of prosecution.

Yeah right, you guys couldn't tolerate this.

Lost his job.

 

[jknowgood]

Republican Snowflakes are so sensitive about things that hurt their feelings

A safe space may be in order

Yeah tuffy messed your world up, without saying a word.

 

[jknowgood]

But if there are COMPLAINTS then it's a different story!!!

If I fucking want to say Fuck Trump I say it... I can plaster my car with FUCK TRUMP stickers Carry a weapon and if some Trump fruitcake gets in my face ...no problemo