2000 People on "Terror Watch List" able to buy guns!

[SuperDemocrat]

So let me get this straight: you're all for all kinds of foreigners coming over here, but then want to restrict gun usage? That's how a typical lib solves a problem.

I could explain it to you again, and you still wouldn't understand.

Okay, one more time. We let people on the Terror Watch List buy guns, even though they are on the terror watch list.

We let crazy people buy guns.

We let felons buy guns.

The problem isn't "Foreigners". We were all foreigners at one point. We have someone in our family tree who wasn't born here.

the problem is gun laws that are so lax that the people who clearly shouldn't have guns - citizens or foreigners- can get them.

Why did you lie? You said we were all,foreigners once. To the best of my recollection I was always an American citizen.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That one is perceived to be a 'terrorist' – whether on an FBI suspect list or as a refugee fleeing war and terror in Syria – doesn't warrant seeking to disadvantage that individual through force of law.

 

[IsaacNewton]

The NRA wants to make sure ANYONE can buy a gun. They think Constitutional rights should be extended to terrorists that come here to kill Americans just like everyone else because, you know, THEY ARE GUNS, and guns need to roam free with the wind in their mane.

 

[Auld Phart]

The NRA wants to make sure ANYONE can buy a gun. They think Constitutional rights should be extended to terrorists that come hear to kill Americans just like everyone else because, you know, THEY ARE GUNS, and guns need to roam free with the wind in their mane.

The NRA wants to make sure ANYONE can buy a gun.

Only those legally allowed to own one, unless you have proof otherwise.

They think Constitutional rights should be extended to terrorists

Got a link for that?

Oh, and please try to find a link where they want PROVEN terrorists, not SUSPECTED terrorists, to be able to buy firearms.

 

[flacaltenn]

Sure, we all came from families of foreigners at one time or another, but not from places that harbor people that want to kill every American.

right. There's a scary Arab under your bed.

Terrorists killed 14 Americans last year. Gun nuts killed 11,000. I'm more worried about you gun nuts than terrorists.

Don't know how you COULDN'T understand this.. These folks have not been convicted of anything -- yet. And IIRC -- about 30% or more are MISTAKES. This is exactly why we (the folks that like ALL of the first 10 Amendments) would never allow shoddy constructs like a "terror watch list" to infringe on rights.

And besides, if they went to purchase a gun and were denied -- they'd have to be told why.

What makes you think that REAL terrorists buy their stuff at retail stores anyway?

Okay. Nidal Hasan. bought his gun at a gun store.

Why wouldn't they buy their stuff at a gun store.

That's not even funny Joe.. The guy worked for the ARMY as a Chief Psychmeister. He was not on any lists and NOT considered a terrorist. Tho --- the "Soldier of Allah" on his biz card would have raised flags if the Fed Govt wasn't so inept about identifying POTENTIAL Islamic extremist threats.

 

[Auld Phart]

Sure, we all came from families of foreigners at one time or another, but not from places that harbor people that want to kill every American.

right. There's a scary Arab under your bed.

Terrorists killed 14 Americans last year. Gun nuts killed 11,000. I'm more worried about you gun nuts than terrorists.

Don't know how you COULDN'T understand this.. These folks have not been convicted of anything -- yet. And IIRC -- about 30% or more are MISTAKES. This is exactly why we (the folks that like ALL of the first 10 Amendments) would never allow shoddy constructs like a "terror watch list" to infringe on rights.

And besides, if they went to purchase a gun and were denied -- they'd have to be told why.

What makes you think that REAL terrorists buy their stuff at retail stores anyway?

Okay. Nidal Hasan. bought his gun at a gun store.

Why wouldn't they buy their stuff at a gun store.

Okay. Nidal Hasan. bought his gun at a gun store.

He was on the terrorist watch list before he bought the firearm?

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, you mean such heavy gun restrictions like they have in France?

France had 665 homicides in 2014, with 148 committed with guns.

We had 16000 homicides with 11000 committed with guns.

No, gun laws are not going to stop highly organized terrorist attacks. They do stop run of the mill who drank the last can of beer homicides, though.

We have very stringent recreational narcotics laws in this country, yet, we have more people locked up in prisons than any industrialized country in the world because of drugs. If laws work so well, why don't we have the least amount of people in our prisons?

We lock up users and not dealers. We should treat the user as a medical issue, not a criminal one. That still means you can't keep your Meth Lab in your Trailer Park, Cleetus.

When a person gets a DUI, do you blame the availability of automobiles? If a person injures himself with a circular saw, do you blame the availability of saws? If not, then why do you blame guns instead of people for accidents and deliberate actions used with them?

Cars and saws aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

 

[JoeB131]

That's not even funny Joe.. The guy worked for the ARMY as a Chief Psychmeister. He was not on any lists and NOT considered a terrorist. Tho --- the "Soldier of Allah" on his biz card would have raised flags if the Fed Govt wasn't so inept about identifying POTENTIAL Islamic extremist threats.

I agree, it isn't funny. A guy like Nidal Hasan had no business being in the Army. He also had no business being able to buy a gun.

The difference is, the Army took steps to weed out the next potential Nidal Hasan. The Gun Industry, meh, not so much. Don't you dare talk about background checks!!!!

 

[Auld Phart]

That's not even funny Joe.. The guy worked for the ARMY as a Chief Psychmeister. He was not on any lists and NOT considered a terrorist. Tho --- the "Soldier of Allah" on his biz card would have raised flags if the Fed Govt wasn't so inept about identifying POTENTIAL Islamic extremist threats.

I agree, it isn't funny. A guy like Nidal Hasan had no business being in the Army. He also had no business being able to buy a gun.

The difference is, the Army took steps to weed out the next potential Nidal Hasan. The Gun Industry, meh, not so much. Don't you dare talk about background checks!!!!

A guy like Nidal Hasan had no business being in the Army.

Why?

What in his record would have prevented him from serving?

Nidal Hasan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JoeB131]

3,000 walked.....on purpose.....to help push gun control...

Bullshit. undercover operations do these sorts of things all the time.

We don't let felons buy guns twit....they steal them or get straw buyers....because your stupid background checks are only meant for people who obey laws....

Or they buy them from gun dealers who KNOW they are selling to straw buyers, or who don't check background checks.

So again- you prosecute the gun sellers and THEY WILL Clean up their acts.

yes...Ted "the swimmer" kennedy was on the terror watch list.....our governemnt at work...and though his policies terrorized this country until is long over due death.....he was by no means a violent terrorist....

Tiny, now you are sputtering... The fact is, the reason why being on the Terror Watch list isn't a block on buying a gun, is because you buddies at the NRA INSISTED that not be a disqualifier.

Mostly, because they had some funny idea that if you did that, people who talk shit about shooting government agents- you know, like you do - could be classified as "Terrorists".

Although the thought of sending Wayne LaPeirre down to Gitmo for some quality waterboarding does have some appeal to it.

No...locking up violent criminals is cost effective because they do far more expensive damage when they are running loose. It is far more expensive having them run around rather than spending 30 grand a year to lock them up.

Tiny, then how is it all the other industrial democracies get by with not locking that many people up? Germany only locks up 78,000, Japan only locks up 69,000, we lock up 2 MILLION.

If guns and prisons were the answer, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the world, not the highest.

 

[JoeB131]

Why?

What in his record would have prevented him from serving?

The fact he had "Solider of Allah" on his business cards.

The fact that he had told his superiors that he didn't want to serve, and they kept him in, anyway.

The fact that he was batshit crazy and a lousy psychiatrist who gave really bad advise to the soldiers sent to him.

But unfortunately, by the 8th year of Bush's War on an Emotional State, no one was really signing up anymore, so they insisted on keeping Misfits like Hasan and Bergdahl and Manning that should have washed out otherwise.

 

[Auld Phart]

Why?

What in his record would have prevented him from serving?

The fact he had "Solider of Allah" on his business cards.

The fact that he had told his superiors that he didn't want to serve, and they kept him in, anyway.

The fact that he was batshit crazy and a lousy psychiatrist who gave really bad advise to the soldiers sent to him.

But unfortunately, by the 8th year of Bush's War on an Emotional State, no one was really signing up anymore, so they insisted on keeping Misfits like Hasan and Bergdahl and Manning that should have washed out otherwise.

The fact he had "Solider of Allah" on his business cards.

Seems he was selective about who he passed his business cards to.

The fact that he had told his superiors that he didn't want to serve, and they kept him in, anyway

He didn't want to serve?

wahhhhhh

can you imagine how many would leave the service the first time they got a blister, if all they had to do was say they wanted out?

The rest of your post?

Pure comedy, as usual.

 

[BIG YANK BAL 1976]

Repugs and Tea Maggots are NOTHING but whores for the NRA, hopefully the ones who get blasted are Cuntservatives..

Funny how the Pukes on the right want everyone to have a fucking gun, but Not heath insurance, LOL..

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh, you mean such heavy gun restrictions like they have in France?

France had 665 homicides in 2014, with 148 committed with guns.

We had 16000 homicides with 11000 committed with guns.

No, gun laws are not going to stop highly organized terrorist attacks. They do stop run of the mill who drank the last can of beer homicides, though.

We have very stringent recreational narcotics laws in this country, yet, we have more people locked up in prisons than any industrialized country in the world because of drugs. If laws work so well, why don't we have the least amount of people in our prisons?

We lock up users and not dealers. We should treat the user as a medical issue, not a criminal one. That still means you can't keep your Meth Lab in your Trailer Park, Cleetus.

When a person gets a DUI, do you blame the availability of automobiles? If a person injures himself with a circular saw, do you blame the availability of saws? If not, then why do you blame guns instead of people for accidents and deliberate actions used with them?

Cars and saws aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

Correct, no gun laws would stop a terrorist attack, but they did stop people from being able to shoot back and protect themselves.

On one side of your mouth you complain that people in the US on terrorist watch lists have access to legally purchase a firearm, and on the other side of your mouth you promote that gun laws wouldn't have stopped the terrorists in France. Which is it? And BTW, France also has 60 million people compared to our 315 million. That's less than 1/5 of our population.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Repugs and Tea Maggots are NOTHING but whores for the NRA, hopefully the ones who get blasted are Cuntservatives..

Funny how the Pukes on the right want everyone to have a fucking gun, but Not heath insurance, LOL..

A gun doesn't cost you $700.00 a month. No Republican ever said they would FORCE people to own guns like the Commies did with health insurance, and furthermore, even if they did, they wouldn't force other people to help you pay for your guns like the Commies did with Commie Care.

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[JoeB131]

He didn't want to serve?

wahhhhhh

can you imagine how many would leave the service the first time they got a blister, if all they had to do was say they wanted out?

The rest of your post?

Pure comedy, as usual.

Actually, the man had been in for something like 21 years, had received a commission and several promotions.

And at some point, he went nuts, at which point someone should have stepped in and gotten him discharged.

Except, of course no one did. Because by 2004, people weren't signing up and they didn't want to lose the people they had. They were pulling back guys who had already served their time.

But from the Wiki, you have this..

Hasan was investigated by the FBI after intelligence agencies intercepted at least 18 e-mails between him and Anwar al-Awlaki between December 2008 and June 2009.[63] al-Awlaki was a major influence on radical English-speaking jihadis internationally, and contact with him by an American officer would naturally raise concerns.[64]

In one of the e-mails, Hasan wrote al-Awlaki: "I can't wait to join you" in the afterlife. Hasan also asked al-Awlaki when jihad is appropriate, and whether it is permissible if innocents are killed in a suicide attack.[65] In the months before the shooting, Hasan increased his contacts with al-Awlaki to discuss how to transfer funds abroad without coming to the attention of law authorities.

Yup. this guy is someone they totally needed to keep in AND let him buy a gun.

 

[JoeB131]

A gun doesn't cost you $700.00 a month. No Republican ever said they would FORCE people to own guns like the Commies did with health insurance, and furthermore, even if they did, they wouldn't force other people to help you pay for your guns like the Commies did with Commie Care.

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United Health Care didn't announce a pullout, just that they were losing money on the exchanges.

Uh, guy, the rest of us are paying for the uninsured, whether we want to or not. Because when they show up at the emergency room to treat that cold, where do you think the money to pay for that comes from?

 

[JoeB131]

Correct, no gun laws would stop a terrorist attack, but they did stop people from being able to shoot back and protect themselves.

Yes, the gun nut fantasy that they can stop crime or terrorist attacks.

Never happens. Usually because when something bad goes down, it's usually over before anyone can pull out a gun.

 

[JoeB131]

Which is it? And BTW, France also has 60 million people compared to our 315 million. That's less than 1/5 of our population.

Okay, but they have 1/24th of our murder rate. (16000 / 665).

Less guns means less murder. This really isn't complicated, even for a mouth breather like you.

 

[defcon4]

because locking people up is impratical and expensive.

Gun confiscation is easy.

I hope that's not what you want.....There would be pussies to give up their right but then there would be some who would go down fighting...Lots of casualties what nobody wants...