2012 Democratic National Convention: Charlotte, NC - September 4th - 6th

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I'd still like to know how -- after all the confetti has been swept up and assuming that neither party has domination of the White House, Senate and House -- anything of substance is going be accomplished when we have no one who can build a working consensus.

Just wondering over here, don't mind me.

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You ask that because you refuse to recognize the PRIMARY motivators of the gridlock. You think it is being even handed and fair to claim that both sides are equally to blame. Problem is, they are not.

President Obama is the type of leader who can build a working consensus....with a LOYAL opposition. When traditionally Republican ideas and policies are blocked and voted down by Republicans......you know where to place responsibility.

Obama tried....and he continues to try........at the risk of losing some of his base. He met the GOP half way on many issues.....like the fucking BUSH tax cuts. The GOP never did their part. Period.


I wouldn't disagree for a moment that the GOP has been obstructionist, absolutist. Of course they have, and their excuse is they're trying to save the country from Marxism or whatever.

So, where does that leave us? I'm just trying to deal with reality here. All the celebrating in the world the day after election day could pretty easily be wasted.

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Just hoping that the members of Congress accept their responsibility. The way in which elections are held/bought leaves us little chance of wholesale personnel changes there.
 
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Leadership is consensus building among the unloyal.

No, asshole. If you are an American citizen, you have a duty to provide LOYAL opposition to your government when you do not agree with something. The elected officials who represent YOU in Congress are required to do such on your behalf. If they are not loyal in their opposition, what are they? There is a word for it.

You can loyally oppose.

A leader will find, then demonstrate, mutual upside to the unloyal opposition and bring about compromise and results.

Yeah....you mean like a "grand bargain"?
 
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The Best Of Bill Clinton's DNC Speech, In One Infographic
 
Yeah....you mean like a "grand bargain"?

Negotiations by their very nature put people at odds with self-interest to bring about mutually agreeable closure.

Obama has demonstrated a lack of leadership and thus little across the aisle consensus building.

Leaders don't blame the other guy.

They make it happen inspite of the other guy.
 
Yeah....you mean like a "grand bargain"?

Negotiations by their very nature put people at odds with self-interest to bring about mutually agreeable closure.

Obama has demonstrated a lack of leadership and thus little across the aisle consensus building.

Leaders don't blame the other guy.

They make it happen inspite of the other guy.

You're a world class dumbass. Obama isn't negotiating for Democrats - he's negotiating for the American people. When the NaziCon objective is to allow him NOTHING - it's rather hard to negotiate.

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Yeah....you mean like a "grand bargain"?

Negotiations by their very nature put people at odds with self-interest to bring about mutually agreeable closure.

Obama has demonstrated a lack of leadership and thus little across the aisle consensus building.

Leaders don't blame the other guy.

They make it happen inspite of the other guy.

You know that the GOP leaders calculated that not cooperating in any way with the POTUS would lead their party to victory. It worked for the midterms as Americans continued to suffer. Congratulations.
 
You're a world class dumbass. Obama isn't negotiating for Democrats - he's negotiating for the American people. When the NaziCon objective is to allow him NOTHING - it's rather hard to negotiate.

He labled one side as the enemy.

So much for the American people
 
You're a world class dumbass. Obama isn't negotiating for Democrats - he's negotiating for the American people. When the NaziCon objective is to allow him NOTHING - it's rather hard to negotiate.

He labled one side as the enemy.

So much for the American people

There is something beautiful going on at the Democratic National Convention right now and you are making excuses for the obstructionist Republican congressmen. Shame on you!
 
You know that the GOP leaders calculated that not cooperating in any way with the POTUS would lead their party to victory. It worked for the midterms as Americans continued to suffer. Congratulations.

Things been passed and counter-proposals, ideas and legislation left off the table.
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00T2uZqi6Lc&feature=player_embedded]Clinton: Over Last 50 Years, Democratic Presidents Have Created 42M Jobs Compared To 24M From GOP - YouTube[/ame]
 
Debbie Wasserman Schultz just explained that she is a breast cancer survivor. I didn't know that. She made the case for Obamacare.

There is no good argument against providing affordable health care for all Americans. If you are against that, you are on the wrong side of the issue. Period.
 

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