250,000 Coloradoans lose their health insurance under Obamacare

[JakeStarkey]

Fakey, the marxist crown jewel of ignorance doesn't understand that covering ten items will always cost more than covering six items......

Driveby could not define "marixism" or "socialism" if facing a firing squad were the alternative.

He simply cannot understand terms and definitions, and he has no concept of the American narrative.

Your attempt to mask your benightedness with an Alinksy-esque deflection not only falls flat, it magnifies the utter ignorance you constantly display....

Fakey has cornered the market, nothing says American narrative like a die hard liberal pretending to be a republican on a political message board....

drivey uses alinksy-type deflection to makes his own failure here.

He is a concern troll pretending to protect the far right while tearing it down.

 

[regent]

Insurance companies see this as an opportunity to get on a government gravy train. The corporations can start by eliminating all their old policies and start fresh, taking into account new government backing. Did Obama think for one minute that he was going to out-smart the corporations that care nothing for their policy holders, nothing for the nation; nothing but a chance for some capitalistic greed to be exploited.
Maybe Obamacare should be canceled?

 

[driveby]

Driveby could not define "marixism" or "socialism" if facing a firing squad were the alternative.

He simply cannot understand terms and definitions, and he has no concept of the American narrative.

Your attempt to mask your benightedness with an Alinksy-esque deflection not only falls flat, it magnifies the utter ignorance you constantly display....

Fakey has cornered the market, nothing says American narrative like a die hard liberal pretending to be a republican on a political message board....

drivey uses alinksy-type deflection to makes his own failure here.

He is a concern troll pretending to protect the far right while tearing it down.

Fakey goes from deflection to projection in a feeble attempt to flee from his obtuse ravings, much to my amusement ........

 

[Antares]

The bad thing is the majority of them are white middle class GOP supporters, not the trash living in the barrio and ghetto that vote for the Dimwits and will get free obamacare handouts paid by those very middle class workers losing their insurance.

This is hyper partian bullshit at it's worst.

 

[Antares]

Only hater dupes believe 5 million is most of the country LOL - and IT'S THE INSURERS REFUSING TO UPGRADE TO GOOD STANDARDS and REFUSE TO COMPETE THEIR PRICES IN EXCHANGES. GOOD RIDDANCE lol...

Since truthmatters left YOU now rank as the most stupid poster on this board.

 

[Antares]

So a quarter of million Coloradoans are going to get better insurance and for many at a lower cost.

97% will pay the same or less, 3% more.

Good program that.

Thank the GOP-Dem Congress from 1994 to 2006 that could have done this much more easily and controlled at the state levels.

You now rank just slightly behind franco on the bullshit meter.

 

[Antares]

Insurance companies now have to maintain a ratio of paying out 85% of the premiums they collect in healthcare,

or rebate the difference to their customers. That is a very important feature of Obamacare that no one seems to care about.

80% you stupid fuck.

 

[dblack]

Insurance companies see this as an opportunity to get on a government gravy train. The corporations can start by eliminating all their old policies and start fresh, taking into account new government backing. Did Obama think for one minute that he was going to out-smart the corporations that care nothing for their policy holders, nothing for the nation; nothing but a chance for some capitalistic greed to be exploited.
Maybe Obamacare should be canceled?

I don't think I've seen ACA summed up more concisely.

 

[Antares]

Insurance companies see this as an opportunity to get on a government gravy train. The corporations can start by eliminating all their old policies and start fresh, taking into account new government backing. Did Obama think for one minute that he was going to out-smart the corporations that care nothing for their policy holders, nothing for the nation; nothing but a chance for some capitalistic greed to be exploited.
Maybe Obamacare should be canceled?

Insurance companies see this as an opportunity to get on a government gravy train. The corporations can start by eliminating all their old policies and start fresh, taking into account new government backing.

Well except that they were forced to policies into place that CANNOT mitigate undue risk...guarantee issue is a sure loser for insurance companies.

Did Obama think for one minute that he was going to out-smart the corporations that care nothing for their policy holders, nothing for the nation; nothing but a chance for some capitalistic greed to be exploited.
Maybe Obamacare should be canceled

Like it or not business is business.....and business is about making money...no business can make money when it is forced to use 80 cents of every dollar for "costs".

Do not assume I am against reform, I am not...the ACA does not facilitate business or corporate capitalistic greed.

 

[dblack]

Insurance companies see this as an opportunity to get on a government gravy train. The corporations can start by eliminating all their old policies and start fresh, taking into account new government backing. Did Obama think for one minute that he was going to out-smart the corporations that care nothing for their policy holders, nothing for the nation; nothing but a chance for some capitalistic greed to be exploited.
Maybe Obamacare should be canceled?

Insurance companies see this as an opportunity to get on a government gravy train. The corporations can start by eliminating all their old policies and start fresh, taking into account new government backing.

Well except that they were forced to policies into place that CANNOT mitigate undue risk...guarantee issue is a sure loser for insurance companies.

Under the circumstances, ie taking into account mandated customers, I disagree. Regent is right. They're positioning themselves as quasi-public utility companies, with all the perks that go with that. Meaning that their profits are now purely a matter of lobbying government for regulatory changes - something they are quite skilled at.

Did Obama think for one minute that he was going to out-smart the corporations that care nothing for their policy holders, nothing for the nation; nothing but a chance for some capitalistic greed to be exploited.
Maybe Obamacare should be canceled

Like it or not business is business.....and business is about making money...no business can make money when it is forced to use 80 cents of every dollar for "costs".

Do not assume I am against reform, I am not...the ACA does not facilitate business or corporate capitalistic greed.

It certainly doesn't facilitate a capitalist free market. But it virtual guarantees corporate profits. The laws will be adjusted to keep them operational, just they are for any public utilities serving 'community interests'. This is the worst of both socialism and capitalism with the benefits of neither.

 

[Antares]

Insurance companies see this as an opportunity to get on a government gravy train. The corporations can start by eliminating all their old policies and start fresh, taking into account new government backing. Did Obama think for one minute that he was going to out-smart the corporations that care nothing for their policy holders, nothing for the nation; nothing but a chance for some capitalistic greed to be exploited.
Maybe Obamacare should be canceled?

Insurance companies see this as an opportunity to get on a government gravy train. The corporations can start by eliminating all their old policies and start fresh, taking into account new government backing.

Well except that they were forced to policies into place that CANNOT mitigate undue risk...guarantee issue is a sure loser for insurance companies.

Under the circumstances, ie taking into account mandated customers, I disagree. Regent is right. They're positioning themselves as quasi-public utility companies, with all the perks that go with that. Meaning that their profits are now purely a matter of lobbying government for regulatory changes - something they are quite skilled at.

Did Obama think for one minute that he was going to out-smart the corporations that care nothing for their policy holders, nothing for the nation; nothing but a chance for some capitalistic greed to be exploited.
Maybe Obamacare should be canceled

Like it or not business is business.....and business is about making money...no business can make money when it is forced to use 80 cents of every dollar for "costs".

Do not assume I am against reform, I am not...the ACA does not facilitate business or corporate capitalistic greed.

It certainly doesn't facilitate a capitalist free market. But it virtual guarantees corporate profits. The laws will be adjusted to keep them operational, just they are for any public utilities serving 'community interests'. This is the worst of both socialism and capitalism with the benefits of neither.

Under the circumstances, ie taking into account mandated customers, I disagree. Regent is right. They're positioning themselves as quasi-public utility companies, with all the perks that go with that. Meaning that their profits are now purely a matter of lobbying government for regulatory changes - something they are quite skilled at.

You are over estimating the mandate.
MANY are foregoing it for the 95 dollar penalty....and the young are not signing up....the average of those I am signing up are mid 30's to mid 40's and the very ill.....I work for BCBS, a non-profit company.

The laws will be adjusted to keep them operational, just they are for any public utilities serving 'community interests'.

In your opinion of course....I see the single payor Obama wants on the horizon.

 

[dblack]

Insurance companies see this as an opportunity to get on a government gravy train. The corporations can start by eliminating all their old policies and start fresh, taking into account new government backing.

Well except that they were forced to policies into place that CANNOT mitigate undue risk...guarantee issue is a sure loser for insurance companies.

Under the circumstances, ie taking into account mandated customers, I disagree. Regent is right. They're positioning themselves as quasi-public utility companies, with all the perks that go with that. Meaning that their profits are now purely a matter of lobbying government for regulatory changes - something they are quite skilled at.

Did Obama think for one minute that he was going to out-smart the corporations that care nothing for their policy holders, nothing for the nation; nothing but a chance for some capitalistic greed to be exploited.
Maybe Obamacare should be canceled

Like it or not business is business.....and business is about making money...no business can make money when it is forced to use 80 cents of every dollar for "costs".

Do not assume I am against reform, I am not...the ACA does not facilitate business or corporate capitalistic greed.

It certainly doesn't facilitate a capitalist free market. But it virtual guarantees corporate profits. The laws will be adjusted to keep them operational, just they are for any public utilities serving 'community interests'. This is the worst of both socialism and capitalism with the benefits of neither.

Under the circumstances, ie taking into account mandated customers, I disagree. Regent is right. They're positioning themselves as quasi-public utility companies, with all the perks that go with that. Meaning that their profits are now purely a matter of lobbying government for regulatory changes - something they are quite skilled at.

You are over estimating the mandate.
MANY are foregoing it for the 95 dollar penalty....and the young are not signing up....the average of those I am signing up are mid 30's to mid 40's and the very ill.....I work for BCBS, a non-profit company.

The penalties are lead-ins, and will be ramped up, along with passing other measures, to ensure compliance. Eventually you'll see scofflaws going to jail. This is exactly the way they soft-pedaled mandatory auto insurance initially. They'll wait until everyone is used to the idea before they start turning the screws.

In your opinion of course....I see the single payor Obama wants on the horizon.

I seriously doubt it. It's funny that the eventuality of single-payer is the presumption of both camps, the hope of supporters and the fear of detractors, but in my view both are being duped.

 

[HenryBHough]

Single payer may be a good thing.

In a single payer system there are age limits on many treatments.

That translates into fewer people surviving to really old age. As they die the demand on pension payments diminishes and the presently bankrupt pension systems (government and private) become more healthy.

Death, therefore, is a good thing in actuarial terms.

 

[dblack]

Single payer may be a good thing.

In a single payer system there are age limits on many treatments.

Single payer would be better than the corporatist sellout of ACA, but it still centralizes control over a fundamental necessity, never a good thing in my view.

That translates into fewer people surviving to really old age. As they die the demand on pension payments diminishes and the presently bankrupt pension systems (government and private) become more healthy.

Death, therefore, is a good thing in actuarial terms.

heh.. ok, from a cynical point of view, I getcha.

 

[Political Junky]

Only hater dupes believe 5 million is most of the country LOL - and IT'S THE INSURERS REFUSING TO UPGRADE TO GOOD STANDARDS and REFUSE TO COMPETE THEIR PRICES IN EXCHANGES. GOOD RIDDANCE lol...

Only idiots like you fail to realize that 5 million is too much!

Exactly. Obama LIED when he said you can "keep your plan". Now he says, "you can get a better plan". Guess what, if you're young and healthy, you don't need a "better plan" as much as you need extra money to save for retirement, invest, and pay for basic expenses.

This is classic redistribution of wealth from those who are successful to those who are not. It's unacceptable.

I just saw on TV that a woman in Florida had insurance that cost her $650. a year. It would have paid her $50. toward a hospital stay.

 

[Antares]

Under the circumstances, ie taking into account mandated customers, I disagree. Regent is right. They're positioning themselves as quasi-public utility companies, with all the perks that go with that. Meaning that their profits are now purely a matter of lobbying government for regulatory changes - something they are quite skilled at.



It certainly doesn't facilitate a capitalist free market. But it virtual guarantees corporate profits. The laws will be adjusted to keep them operational, just they are for any public utilities serving 'community interests'. This is the worst of both socialism and capitalism with the benefits of neither.

Under the circumstances, ie taking into account mandated customers, I disagree. Regent is right. They're positioning themselves as quasi-public utility companies, with all the perks that go with that. Meaning that their profits are now purely a matter of lobbying government for regulatory changes - something they are quite skilled at.

You are over estimating the mandate.
MANY are foregoing it for the 95 dollar penalty....and the young are not signing up....the average of those I am signing up are mid 30's to mid 40's and the very ill.....I work for BCBS, a non-profit company.

The penalties are lead-ins, and will be ramped up, along with passing other measures, to ensure compliance. Eventually you'll see scofflaws going to jail. This is exactly the way they soft-pedaled mandatory auto insurance initially. They'll wait until everyone is used to the idea before they start turning the screws.

In your opinion of course....I see the single payor Obama wants on the horizon.

I seriously doubt it. It's funny that the eventuality of single-payer is the presumption of both camps, the hope of supporters and the fear of detractors, but in my view both are being duped.

Says who?
The janitor?

Your opinion is no more valuable than an asshole...we all gotem ya know?

 

[oreo]

Only idiots like you fail to realize that 5 million is too much!

Exactly. Obama LIED when he said you can "keep your plan". Now he says, "you can get a better plan". Guess what, if you're young and healthy, you don't need a "better plan" as much as you need extra money to save for retirement, invest, and pay for basic expenses.

This is classic redistribution of wealth from those who are successful to those who are not. It's unacceptable.

I just saw on TV that a woman in Florida had insurance that cost her $650. a year. It would have paid her $50. toward a hospital stay.

B.S--there is no such thing as medical insurance for $650.00 per year. You're probably confusing that with a woman who has medicare benefits and is paying for an additional supplemental plan at $650.00 per year to cover the donut holes within Medicare.

The average cost for medical insurance under Obamacare today is $650.00 PER MONTH. That's for the "silver plan". The Gold plan is much higher.

The point of this thread is that millions of Americans bought and paid for their own chosen medical insurance plans--based on their personal health requirements that are now getting kicked off of those plans due to Obamacare mandates. All of them are now forced to enter plans they don't want--at double or triple the rate that they were paying.

And there will be millions more that get the letter--and millions after that when this virus enters the employer mandate in 2014.

 

[Political Junky]

Exactly. Obama LIED when he said you can "keep your plan". Now he says, "you can get a better plan". Guess what, if you're young and healthy, you don't need a "better plan" as much as you need extra money to save for retirement, invest, and pay for basic expenses.

This is classic redistribution of wealth from those who are successful to those who are not. It's unacceptable.

I just saw on TV that a woman in Florida had insurance that cost her $650. a year. It would have paid her $50. toward a hospital stay.

B.S--there is no such thing as medical insurance for $650.00 per year. You're probably confusing that with a woman who has medicare benefits and is paying for an additional supplemental plan at $650.00 per year to cover the donut holes within Medicare.

The average cost for medical insurance under Obamacare today is $650.00 PER MONTH. That's for the "silver plan". The Gold plan is much higher.

The point of this thread is that millions of Americans bought and paid for their own chosen medical insurance plans--based on their personal health requirements that are now getting kicked off of those plans due to Obamacare mandates. All of them are now forced to enter plans they don't want--at double or triple the rate that they were paying.

And there will be millions more that get the letter--and millions after that when this virus enters the employer mandate in 2014.

What about the woman the Right was talking about, who was paying $54. a month ... that's $648. a year.

http://www.infowars.com/florida-womans-insurance-rate-increases-10x-under-obamacare/

 

[dblack]

Under the circumstances, ie taking into account mandated customers, I disagree. Regent is right. They're positioning themselves as quasi-public utility companies, with all the perks that go with that. Meaning that their profits are now purely a matter of lobbying government for regulatory changes - something they are quite skilled at.

You are over estimating the mandate.
MANY are foregoing it for the 95 dollar penalty....and the young are not signing up....the average of those I am signing up are mid 30's to mid 40's and the very ill.....I work for BCBS, a non-profit company.

The penalties are lead-ins, and will be ramped up, along with passing other measures, to ensure compliance. Eventually you'll see scofflaws going to jail. This is exactly the way they soft-pedaled mandatory auto insurance initially. They'll wait until everyone is used to the idea before they start turning the screws.

In your opinion of course....I see the single payor Obama wants on the horizon.

I seriously doubt it. It's funny that the eventuality of single-payer is the presumption of both camps, the hope of supporters and the fear of detractors, but in my view both are being duped.

Says who?
The janitor?

Your opinion is no more valuable than an asshole...we all gotem ya know?

Yup. That's pretty much obvious. We'll see how it goes, eh?

 

[JakeStarkey]

So a quarter of million Coloradoans are going to get better insurance and for many at a lower cost.

97% will pay the same or less, 3% more.

Good program that.

Thank the GOP-Dem Congress from 1994 to 2006 that could have done this much more easily and controlled at the state levels.

You now rank just slightly behind franco on the bullshit meter.

Everything I wrote is true, and you simply ad hom because you know it's true.

Your problem, son.