3 stupid myths republicans believe

[thereisnospoon]

Republicans didn't just destabilize the economy, they destabilized the ENTIRE Middle East.

Just one question, Deanie...is the Middle East more stable or less stable after five years of Obama foreign policy? Anyone looking at what's going on there NOW is going to be hard pressed to point to Obama foreign policy successes and is going to have an even harder time telling you what the Obama Middle East policy is going forward. Why? Because this Administration really doesn't HAVE a Middle East policy! After five years they don't know what to do!

The Dictators who had their heavy artillery aimed at their people during GW, or any other president, represented a more stable Middle East?
Is suppression of speech your definition of stability?

Would you care to expound upon those statements? Or are we supposed to just take them at face value?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Thanks, your answer to my question is exactly the answer I expected. You rightwingnuts are completely retarded. I said nothing about the U3 rate versus the U6 rate nor did I say anything about the misery index (which is not actually an economic indicator anyway). What I did was question just how retarded you rightwingnuts have to be to accept the idiotic notion that the unemployment rate is 37.2%.

The misery index isn't an economic indicator? Really? Since the misery index is determined by adding the unemployment rate to the inflation rate how do you figure neither of THOSE are economic indicators? Oh, let me guess...you don't have the faintest fucking idea what the Misery Index is...do you? Yet you come on here and spout off about "retarded" rightwingnuts? You're a piece of work...

You're claiming the misery index is an economic indicator and I'm the one who's a "piece of work?"

Here, watch as I make you look like an idiot ....

which of the following two examples of the misery index reveals the better economy ....

a) a misery index of 8; or
b) a misery index of 5

Employment/inflation.....Not economic indicators....Right.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Moron... that you couldn't answer the question shows the misery index is not an economic indicator. To further highlight your idiocy, I never said the unemployment rate is not an economic indicator. Of course it is. I never said the inflation rate is not an economic indicator. Of course it is. What I said was that the misery index is not an economic indicator; which you proved by not being able to determine between two examples of the misery index.

This is also a prime example of why I find rightwingnuts to be such raging retards.

So let me see if I've got this straight...you admit that the unemployment rate IS an economic indicator...and you admit that the inflation rate IS an economic indicator...but you deny that the Misery Index (which is obtained by adding the unemployment rate to the inflation rate) is an economic indicator?

Do you have any idea how stupid you look making that argument?

Cries the imbecile who couldn't determine if a misery index of 8 indicates a better economy than a misery index of 5.



This demonstrates how little you know about the economy. Don't worry, that's typical for retarded rightwingnuts.

If I compared an unemployment rate of 4% to one of 8%, the former indicates a better economy. If I compared an inflation rate of 2% with one of 10%, the former indicates a better economy.

But when comparing two examples of the misery index, you were incapable of showing which of the two indicated a better economy.

Do you need more evidence you're an idiot?

The only thing you are good at it calling people names,

 

[thereisnospoon]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

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Why then did Obama and company choose to extend the Bush tax cuts? Are you saying that our President Penaut is an idiot?

You're right he did and he shouldn't have. Bonehead move. It is the other reason our debt is what it is.

See unlike you I can make concessions about my politics.

Have you ever seen a tax increase you didn't like?
Why don't you just come out and say we should give ALL of our income to government?
Anyone who supports confiscatory taxation has a socialist agenda.
You people are parasites.

 

[Oldstyle]

You're right he did and he shouldn't have. Bonehead move. It is the other reason our debt is what it is.

See unlike you I can make concessions about my politics.

Like he really had a choice, Billy? If Obama hadn't extended the Bush tax cuts (after campaigning about how terrible they were) his already awful economy would have gone into a nose dive. Our debt continues to grow because Barry continues to spend money at the rate Bush was back in 2008 trying to stave off an economic collapse...only now the recession has been gone for over four years.

No, Bush's tax cuts only created 4.6 jobs per million dollar cut. That is pathetic growth. 2.5x more private jobs have been created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8.

You keep trotting out that figure like it's supposed to mean something, Billy and it's a classic example of how you can use statistics to totally obscure reality. The number of jobs lost in the economic melt down is what pulls Bush's total job creation down. If you look at the number of jobs that both men created in their first five years in office you'd see a totally different picture.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-economic-sleight-of-hand/

The "pathetic" growth was in the number of jobs that were created by the Obama Stimulus and the obvious proof of that was the Obama White House inventing a new economic statistic "jobs created or saved" to hide how few jobs their stimulus created.

 

[Faun]

The misery index isn't an economic indicator? Really? Since the misery index is determined by adding the unemployment rate to the inflation rate how do you figure neither of THOSE are economic indicators? Oh, let me guess...you don't have the faintest fucking idea what the Misery Index is...do you? Yet you come on here and spout off about "retarded" rightwingnuts? You're a piece of work...

You're claiming the misery index is an economic indicator and I'm the one who's a "piece of work?"

Here, watch as I make you look like an idiot ....

which of the following two examples of the misery index reveals the better economy ....

a) a misery index of 8; or
b) a misery index of 5

Employment/inflation.....Not economic indicators....Right.

Great.

Yet another idiot who thinks I said that either the unemployment rate OR the inflation rate are not economic indicators.

 

[Spoonman]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

1. actually everytime the debt ceiling is raised due to uncontrolled spending we go further into debt. just how many times will the democrats raise the debt ceiling in their 8 year run? givin that they eliminated the bush tax cuts an all. $7,000,000,000,000 in new debt and counting

2. Social programs pushed by democrats are socialist programs. you figure it out

3. the gap between the rich and poor has increased at a greater rate under the current democratic administration than at any other like period in history.


Here's one for you. Elect a republican president and they will end abortion and take away a womens control over her own body. hmmmm, 28 years of republican presidents since abortion became legal. yet abortion never became illegal. talk about a myth

 

[Indeependent]

Just one question, Deanie...is the Middle East more stable or less stable after five years of Obama foreign policy? Anyone looking at what's going on there NOW is going to be hard pressed to point to Obama foreign policy successes and is going to have an even harder time telling you what the Obama Middle East policy is going forward. Why? Because this Administration really doesn't HAVE a Middle East policy! After five years they don't know what to do!

The Dictators who had their heavy artillery aimed at their people during GW, or any other president, represented a more stable Middle East?
Is suppression of speech your definition of stability?

Would you care to expound upon those statements? Or are we supposed to just take them at face value?

Did the US pay off dictators to behave?
Yes or No?

 

[Oldstyle]

You're claiming the misery index is an economic indicator and I'm the one who's a "piece of work?"

Here, watch as I make you look like an idiot ....

which of the following two examples of the misery index reveals the better economy ....

a) a misery index of 8; or
b) a misery index of 5

Employment/inflation.....Not economic indicators....Right.

Great.

Yet another idiot who thinks I said that either the unemployment rate OR the inflation rate are not economic indicators.

Another person pointing out the absurdity of your admitting unemployment and inflation rates are economic indicators but that adding them together produces a number that isn't! How does that work, Faun?

 

[buckeye45_73]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

#4. Liberals are stupid, see 1, 2, 3 above.

And yet you can't explain what makes them stupid.

Sure we can and when i get home tonight, ill destroy your bs strawmen arguements

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

"I said nothing about the 6.7% UR except to point out I said nothing about it?" You really open yourself up for ridicule when you begin a discussion with a reply like that, especially when you insist on calling the right wing retarded in your posts. Simply developing a well thought out response would have proven to be more effective in your case.

Now with respect to the U-6 rate that I had previously mentioned, it's an indicator that keeps track of discourage workers and full time workers who have settled upon part-time work in order to obtain an income. To be more specific, discouraged workers represents those individuals who have a desire to work but indicated they were unsuccessful after looking for the past 12 months. You don't think that's an important piece of information to know? You can't look at just one piece of the puzzle, like a simple unemployment rate, and expect to get a complete picture of how devastating or improved the economy truly is.

The misery index is another piece of information that determines how families are impacted, by taking into account how the toll of inflation effects purchasing basic necessities while still looking for employment. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure liberals hold on to the belief that allowing consumers the means to spend more, is how they believe they can best create a booming economy (the trickle up theory). How are you to have an accurate gage on that kind of progress, if you only choose to fixate yourself with the unemployment rate? Sometimes I wonder if liberals really know what's going on with this economy, or if they just can't see past the reported unemployment rate with the amount of jobs that were created last month? Incidentally, how do you make the determination that those additional jobs are not simply filled by the same individuals who have found themselves laid off AGAIN just 3 or 6 months prior? It would seem that you are unwilling to educate yourself into looking at the entire picture, but would much rather settle on whatever indicator allows your liberal President to appear competent and more successful.

Who knows why you're trying so hard to divert from the spouted idiocy which I took exception to, but allow me to once again reign you in...

Some rightie moron made the insane claim that the unemployment rate is really 37.2%. Not 6.7% ... not 13.1% ... 32.7%. That is what I'm talking about. I would appreciate it if you could focus long enough to remain on that discussion.

Thanks.

Most likely because a certain individual made the claim that the misery index could not possibly be used as a reliable indicator in helping to determine the current state of the economy. I clearly showed how it is, along with an explanation of how the U-6 is an important tool as well. If you don't know what all these various figures refers to, and how they are used in conjunction to paint a true overall picture of the economy, then perhaps you need go and study a bit further before attempting a discussion on the subject.

 

[Desperado]

Liberals can be trusted to keep their word.
Liberals are open minded.
Liberals will compromise for the good of the country,

 

[ScienceRocks]

Investment in ones country is bad. This is just insane.

 

[namvet]

thankfully only a few die hard cult members are still swallowing that

just the entire liberal cult

 

[Faun]

the TRUTH about unemployment !!



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any logical, reasonable, honest questions from you libertards ??

Sure ... 37.2% unemployment ... exactly how retarded are you rightwingnuts?

HA!...You don't get to say "retarded" and run off.
If you dispute it, bring your own stats to the table.
BTW, I am skeptical of the number as well.
Your turn.

Holyfuckingshit!

You want me to disprove a number you're skeptical of?? What can I say that you already don't know?

At any rate ... the idiocy that the unemployment rate is 32.7% is retarded on multiple levels ....

First and foremost, it's derived by dividing the 'not in labor force' figure by the 'civilian No institutional population' figure. In case you don't get it -- That's the not in labor force participation rate , not the unemployment rate. That's merely the inverse of the labor force participation rate; the talking point whiny righties are often crying about.

Secondly, because it's rooted in the 'not in labor force' number and not In the 'unemployed' number, it's comprised mostly of people who don't want to work .... housewives ... househusbands ... retired folks ... students ... etc.... The unemployment rate measures how many people are out of work but want a job, not every man, woman, an teenager 16 & over who doesn't work. That's not called the unemployment rate ... that's called the not in labor force participation rate.

Lastly, and most idiotically -- that 32.7% EXCLUDES the actual unemployment figures! How fucking retarded is that??

As I mentioned earlier, that 37.2% is derived from the 'not in labor force' number. The actual official unemployment rate is derived from the 'unemployed' number, which is comprised of people who are out of work but looking for a job within the previous 4 weeks for up to a year. Those folks, and there are over 10 million of them, are 'in the labor force', were idiotically omitted from that 32.7% claim.

So if some brain-dead rightwingnut wants to call the 'not in labor force participation rate,' the 'unemployment rate,' which ironically omits those whom the BLS defines as unemployed, because they have no fucking clue what they're talking about so they just mindlessly parrot some other brainless knuckle-dragging Conservative, they should expect to be called the rightarded imbeciles they truly are.

 

[Faun]

Employment/inflation.....Not economic indicators....Right.

Great.

Yet another idiot who thinks I said that either the unemployment rate OR the inflation rate are not economic indicators.

Another person pointing out the absurdity of your admitting unemployment and inflation rates are economic indicators but that adding them together produces a number that isn't! How does that work, Faun?

Really? It's really my fault you're a fucking imbecile who can't comprehend just because you combine 2 economic indicators doesn't necessarily mean the sum indicates the health of the economy?

Hey, you can't blame me. I even tried to help you. I showed you a misery index of 7.4. That was the actual misery index in April, 1997 as well as in July, 2009. Two entirely different economies. One strong and robust; the other, in the toilet. Yet same exact misery index.

So go head, Einstein ... tell me what that misery index indicated about the economy ... ?

 

[The Rabbi]

Great.

Yet another idiot who thinks I said that either the unemployment rate OR the inflation rate are not economic indicators.

Another person pointing out the absurdity of your admitting unemployment and inflation rates are economic indicators but that adding them together produces a number that isn't! How does that work, Faun?

Really? It's really my fault you're a fucking imbecile who can't comprehend just because you combine 2 economic indicators doesn't necessarily mean the sum indicates the health of the economy?

Hey, you can't blame me. I even tried to help you. I showed you a misery index of 7.4. That was the actual misery index in April, 1997 as well as in July, 2009. Two entirely different economies. One strong and robust; the other, in the toilet. Yet same exact misery index.

So go head, Einstein ... tell me what that misery index indicated about the economy ... ?

Are you still calling people stupid? Heck of a nerve based on your posts.

 

[Faun]

Another person pointing out the absurdity of your admitting unemployment and inflation rates are economic indicators but that adding them together produces a number that isn't! How does that work, Faun?

Really? It's really my fault you're a fucking imbecile who can't comprehend just because you combine 2 economic indicators doesn't necessarily mean the sum indicates the health of the economy?

Hey, you can't blame me. I even tried to help you. I showed you a misery index of 7.4. That was the actual misery index in April, 1997 as well as in July, 2009. Two entirely different economies. One strong and robust; the other, in the toilet. Yet same exact misery index.

So go head, Einstein ... tell me what that misery index indicated about the economy ... ?

Are you still calling people stupid? Heck of a nerve based on your posts.

I would challenge you to answer that question, but you're one of the dumbest posters on this site and you have no chance. Pity that.

 

[The Rabbi]

Really? It's really my fault you're a fucking imbecile who can't comprehend just because you combine 2 economic indicators doesn't necessarily mean the sum indicates the health of the economy?

Hey, you can't blame me. I even tried to help you. I showed you a misery index of 7.4. That was the actual misery index in April, 1997 as well as in July, 2009. Two entirely different economies. One strong and robust; the other, in the toilet. Yet same exact misery index.

So go head, Einstein ... tell me what that misery index indicated about the economy ... ?

Are you still calling people stupid? Heck of a nerve based on your posts.

I would challenge you to answer that question, but you're one of the dumbest posters on this site and you have no chance. Pity that.

What question is that?

 

[Faun]

Are you still calling people stupid? Heck of a nerve based on your posts.

I would challenge you to answer that question, but you're one of the dumbest posters on this site and you have no chance. Pity that.

What question is that?

tell me what that misery index indicated about the economy ... ?