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[rightwinger]

Haven't you and I, as well as others, already gone through all this with the brain? Dr. Kleck's study has not been debunked. It is a part of the CDC study that was done, and brain knows that, as we have all posted links for him.

Kleck is 2.5 million. That means there would have to be 75 million defenses the last 30 years, or one for almost every single gun owner. Yet they are rare among gun owners. Even you aren't dumb enough to think his numbers are possible.

His study has been peer reviewed, brainless.

Public Health and Gun Control: A Review

Dr. Kleck | The Propaganda Professor

There’s a certain number that gun fanatics just love. Well, actually there are several numbers they love, but there’s one in particular that they lustfully salivate over: 2.5 million. That’s the putative number of defensive gun uses (DGUs) that occur in the United States every single year. That’s a highly impressive “statistic”, which is why you’ll see it starring on bumper stickers or websites or wherever else people want to emphasize the need for firearms in order to feel safe from all the THEMs out there.

Except the “statistic” is not really a statistic. It’s a projection, an estimate, put forth in a “study” by Florida criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck (in collaboration with Professor Marc Gertz), based on interviews of alleged defenders in 1993. Except the “study” wasn’t really a study; it was a survey, which is a sort of glorified poll.

Whatever terminology you choose to use, the point is that the Kleck “study”, which involved 222 respondents, didn’t really estimate how many DGU’s actually occur; it estimated how often gun owners say they occur. That’s a different thing, but just how different is it? Well, let’s see how it stacks up against the real world.

People carrying a gun are bad asses

Every time they have a gun in public, the bad guys leave them alone. Count up another win for Kleck

Doesn't matter what you think of the studies. They have been peer reviewed and are considered valid, even by the CDC.

Kleck De-bunkerd. Kleck Debunked | One Utah

 

[2aguy]

Fifty-four percent of the defensive gun uses involved somebody verbally referring to the gun.

Forty-seven percent involved the gun being pointed at the criminal.

How do you get greater than 100% for respondents? Why can't you answer that question 2a? You know everything about gun surveys.

And why hasn't there been another survey in the past 5 years to validate a survey 25 years old?

Twit...it isn't over 100 percent...the 47% is one part of the 54%......they are not added together....... I posted the link to his interview...you can find his actual paper...please...go and see for yourself....any questions you have....email him...he might just respond......you can probably even call him if you want......

These studies are expensive...and after the Department of Justice under bill clinton failed to debunk Kleck...coming up with the 1,500,000 defenses..which is not what they wanted to find.....and then obama's CDC studying all of the gun research and coming up with 500,000-3,000,000 defensive gun uses...and again not getting the low numbers they were hoping for....they haven't come up with a way to make a study lie about actual defensive gun use...because the methods Kleck used were actual research methods.......as were the Dept. of Justice research methods.....

So spending more money to get the same results hasn't been worth it.........until they can get the outcome they want...they probabaly don't want to spend more money.....

 

[2aguy]

5000 DGUs happened yesterday. And there will be 5000 today and tomorrow. And 5000 per day till the end of the year.

And if you believe those numbers, I got a bridge you would like.

13 studies support that concept.

 

[ChrisL]

Why do you leave off every study with believable numbers?

Writing in the December 1994 issue of the American Journal of Public Health, principal investigator David McDowall, PhD and co-author Brian Wiersema used data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) to estimate DGUs. They described the need and the purpose of the study in this way: "We were interested in the incidence of defense and the situations in which it occurs." They examined data from the years 1987 through 1990. They reported that during the years under examination, there were 143.9 million incidents of crime. During that period, there were 258,460 incidents of firearm resistance to crime, for an average of 64,615 DGUs every year. They reported that victims of crimes used guns defensively in 0.18% of all crimes, and in 0.83% of violent crimes. The study counted 50,262 self-defense gun uses by police in the line of duty during the study period. Removing these police DGU drops the yearly estimate of civilian DGUs to 51,959. McDowall concluded that DGU is rare in the USA. Dr. McDowall published a follow-up study in 1998 using data from the 1992 and 1994 waves of the NCVS, in which the estimate of yearly DGU was adjusted upwards to 116,000 (McDowall, D., C. Loftin, and B. Wiersema. Estimates of the Frequency of Firearm Self-Defense from the Redesigned National Crime Victimization Survey. Violence Research Group Discussion Paper 20; 1998. (unpublished report)).

The NCVS doesn't ask people if they used a gun for self defense.....it is not a gun study.....

What kind of a moron uses a study that doesn't specifically ask a direct question about gun use to say it is the definitive study on guns used for self defense....vs. actual gun studies that specifically ask......did you use a gun in the last year.....did you use a gun in the last 5 years......

Please.......use credible studies.....

Haven't you and I, as well as others, already gone through all this with the brain? Dr. Kleck's study has not been debunked. It is a part of the CDC study that was done, and brain knows that, as we have all posted links for him.

Kleck is 2.5 million. That means there would have to be 75 million defenses the last 30 years, or one for almost every single gun owner. Yet they are rare among gun owners. Even you aren't dumb enough to think his numbers are possible.

His study has been peer reviewed, brainless.

Public Health and Gun Control: A Review

Thanks Chris...may I call you Chris........that is a nice piece against that nut kellerman.......I will continue reading...

Public Health and Gun Control: A Review

Of course you can! That's my name!

 

[ChrisL]

Kleck is 2.5 million. That means there would have to be 75 million defenses the last 30 years, or one for almost every single gun owner. Yet they are rare among gun owners. Even you aren't dumb enough to think his numbers are possible.

His study has been peer reviewed, brainless.

Public Health and Gun Control: A Review

Dr. Kleck | The Propaganda Professor

There’s a certain number that gun fanatics just love. Well, actually there are several numbers they love, but there’s one in particular that they lustfully salivate over: 2.5 million. That’s the putative number of defensive gun uses (DGUs) that occur in the United States every single year. That’s a highly impressive “statistic”, which is why you’ll see it starring on bumper stickers or websites or wherever else people want to emphasize the need for firearms in order to feel safe from all the THEMs out there.

Except the “statistic” is not really a statistic. It’s a projection, an estimate, put forth in a “study” by Florida criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck (in collaboration with Professor Marc Gertz), based on interviews of alleged defenders in 1993. Except the “study” wasn’t really a study; it was a survey, which is a sort of glorified poll.

Whatever terminology you choose to use, the point is that the Kleck “study”, which involved 222 respondents, didn’t really estimate how many DGU’s actually occur; it estimated how often gun owners say they occur. That’s a different thing, but just how different is it? Well, let’s see how it stacks up against the real world.

People carrying a gun are bad asses

Every time they have a gun in public, the bad guys leave them alone. Count up another win for Kleck

Doesn't matter what you think of the studies. They have been peer reviewed and are considered valid, even by the CDC.

Kleck De-bunkerd. Kleck Debunked | One Utah

What a shitty link! For one thing, UP to 2.5 million. Lol. For another thing, not all of those people actually SHOT their gun. In some instances, all they had to do was show that they were armed.

Now, what is your problem with people defending themselves against crime, shady?

 

[2aguy]

Kleck is 2.5 million. That means there would have to be 75 million defenses the last 30 years, or one for almost every single gun owner. Yet they are rare among gun owners. Even you aren't dumb enough to think his numbers are possible.

His study has been peer reviewed, brainless.

Public Health and Gun Control: A Review

Dr. Kleck | The Propaganda Professor

There’s a certain number that gun fanatics just love. Well, actually there are several numbers they love, but there’s one in particular that they lustfully salivate over: 2.5 million. That’s the putative number of defensive gun uses (DGUs) that occur in the United States every single year. That’s a highly impressive “statistic”, which is why you’ll see it starring on bumper stickers or websites or wherever else people want to emphasize the need for firearms in order to feel safe from all the THEMs out there.

Except the “statistic” is not really a statistic. It’s a projection, an estimate, put forth in a “study” by Florida criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck (in collaboration with Professor Marc Gertz), based on interviews of alleged defenders in 1993. Except the “study” wasn’t really a study; it was a survey, which is a sort of glorified poll.

Whatever terminology you choose to use, the point is that the Kleck “study”, which involved 222 respondents, didn’t really estimate how many DGU’s actually occur; it estimated how often gun owners say they occur. That’s a different thing, but just how different is it? Well, let’s see how it stacks up against the real world.

People carrying a gun are bad asses

Every time they have a gun in public, the bad guys leave them alone. Count up another win for Kleck

Doesn't matter what you think of the studies. They have been peer reviewed and are considered valid, even by the CDC.

Kleck De-bunkerd. Kleck Debunked | One Utah

Yes....anti gunners standing on tip toe....looking down their nose...pointing their index finger and in a deep voice yelling..."I debunk thee......" is not debunking actual research..........

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[Wilbur Right]

just googled peer review studies on gun self defense.

Chris, you believe there have been 15000 defensive gun uses in the past three days? Why?

 

[ChrisL]

His study has been peer reviewed, brainless.

Public Health and Gun Control: A Review

Dr. Kleck | The Propaganda Professor

There’s a certain number that gun fanatics just love. Well, actually there are several numbers they love, but there’s one in particular that they lustfully salivate over: 2.5 million. That’s the putative number of defensive gun uses (DGUs) that occur in the United States every single year. That’s a highly impressive “statistic”, which is why you’ll see it starring on bumper stickers or websites or wherever else people want to emphasize the need for firearms in order to feel safe from all the THEMs out there.

Except the “statistic” is not really a statistic. It’s a projection, an estimate, put forth in a “study” by Florida criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck (in collaboration with Professor Marc Gertz), based on interviews of alleged defenders in 1993. Except the “study” wasn’t really a study; it was a survey, which is a sort of glorified poll.

Whatever terminology you choose to use, the point is that the Kleck “study”, which involved 222 respondents, didn’t really estimate how many DGU’s actually occur; it estimated how often gun owners say they occur. That’s a different thing, but just how different is it? Well, let’s see how it stacks up against the real world.

People carrying a gun are bad asses

Every time they have a gun in public, the bad guys leave them alone. Count up another win for Kleck

Doesn't matter what you think of the studies. They have been peer reviewed and are considered valid, even by the CDC.

Kleck De-bunkerd. Kleck Debunked | One Utah

Yes....anti gunners standing on tip toe....looking down their nose...pointing their index finger and in a deep voice yelling..."I debunk thee......" is not debunking actual research..........

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

His site is nothing but anti-gun propaganda site. Lol.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Fifty-four percent of the defensive gun uses involved somebody verbally referring to the gun.

Forty-seven percent involved the gun being pointed at the criminal.

How do you get greater than 100% for respondents? Why can't you answer that question 2a? You know everything about gun surveys.

And why hasn't there been another survey in the past 5 years to validate a survey 25 years old?[/QUOT









2nd gun nutter, why can't you answer that simple question. How do you get greater than 100% of respondents.

Didn't they give you that answer in survey school?

 

[ChrisL]

just googled peer review studies on gun self defense.

Chris, you believe there have been 15000 defensive gun uses in the past three days? Why?

In a country of OVER 300,000,000 people, 2.5 million is NOT a lot.

 

[2aguy]

Kleck is 2.5 million. That means there would have to be 75 million defenses the last 30 years, or one for almost every single gun owner. Yet they are rare among gun owners. Even you aren't dumb enough to think his numbers are possible.

His study has been peer reviewed, brainless.

Public Health and Gun Control: A Review

Dr. Kleck | The Propaganda Professor

There’s a certain number that gun fanatics just love. Well, actually there are several numbers they love, but there’s one in particular that they lustfully salivate over: 2.5 million. That’s the putative number of defensive gun uses (DGUs) that occur in the United States every single year. That’s a highly impressive “statistic”, which is why you’ll see it starring on bumper stickers or websites or wherever else people want to emphasize the need for firearms in order to feel safe from all the THEMs out there.

Except the “statistic” is not really a statistic. It’s a projection, an estimate, put forth in a “study” by Florida criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck (in collaboration with Professor Marc Gertz), based on interviews of alleged defenders in 1993. Except the “study” wasn’t really a study; it was a survey, which is a sort of glorified poll.

Whatever terminology you choose to use, the point is that the Kleck “study”, which involved 222 respondents, didn’t really estimate how many DGU’s actually occur; it estimated how often gun owners say they occur. That’s a different thing, but just how different is it? Well, let’s see how it stacks up against the real world.

People carrying a gun are bad asses

Every time they have a gun in public, the bad guys leave them alone. Count up another win for Kleck

Doesn't matter what you think of the studies. They have been peer reviewed and are considered valid, even by the CDC.

Kleck De-bunkerd. Kleck Debunked | One Utah

Wow, this is a shitty site..........it isn't actual research...it is some anti gun loon lying.....for example...



*It should be noted that Gary Kleck has refused to defend his study ever since it was published.


Kleck defended his study since the day it came out...in fact.....he defended his work last year, in 2015...I have the link when two more twits attacked it in a Politico article...

Do you even try....because you are getting pretty lazy......

 

[Synthaholic]

Rightwinger exercising his 1st Amendment right to say stupid shit.

Are we not born with a second amendment right?

 

[ChrisL]

I personally know people who have defended themselves against attackers with a gun.

 

[2aguy]

Kleck is 2.5 million. That means there would have to be 75 million defenses the last 30 years, or one for almost every single gun owner. Yet they are rare among gun owners. Even you aren't dumb enough to think his numbers are possible.

His study has been peer reviewed, brainless.

Public Health and Gun Control: A Review

Dr. Kleck | The Propaganda Professor

There’s a certain number that gun fanatics just love. Well, actually there are several numbers they love, but there’s one in particular that they lustfully salivate over: 2.5 million. That’s the putative number of defensive gun uses (DGUs) that occur in the United States every single year. That’s a highly impressive “statistic”, which is why you’ll see it starring on bumper stickers or websites or wherever else people want to emphasize the need for firearms in order to feel safe from all the THEMs out there.

Except the “statistic” is not really a statistic. It’s a projection, an estimate, put forth in a “study” by Florida criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck (in collaboration with Professor Marc Gertz), based on interviews of alleged defenders in 1993. Except the “study” wasn’t really a study; it was a survey, which is a sort of glorified poll.

Whatever terminology you choose to use, the point is that the Kleck “study”, which involved 222 respondents, didn’t really estimate how many DGU’s actually occur; it estimated how often gun owners say they occur. That’s a different thing, but just how different is it? Well, let’s see how it stacks up against the real world.

People carrying a gun are bad asses

Every time they have a gun in public, the bad guys leave them alone. Count up another win for Kleck

Doesn't matter what you think of the studies. They have been peer reviewed and are considered valid, even by the CDC.

Kleck De-bunkerd. Kleck Debunked | One Utah

From your link Rightwinger........


*It should be noted that Gary Kleck has refused to defend his study ever since it was published.



Here is Kleck defending his research just last year........he even gives a link to his original defense of his work......

Please....freaking try harder.....I like to use you guys to get better....but if you are going to be lazy...it doesn't help....

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

It’s deja vu all over again. In a recent Politico Magazinearticle, Evan DeFilippis and Devin Hughes resuscitate criticisms of a survey on defensive gun use that I conducted with my colleague Marc Gertz way back in 1993—the National Self-Defense Survey (NSDS). The authors repeat, item for item, speculative criticisms floated by a man named David Hemenway in 1997 and repeated endlessly since. The conclusion these critics drew is that our survey grossly overestimated the frequency of defensive gun use (DGU), a situation in which a crime victim uses a gun to threaten or attack the offender in self-defense. But what DeFilippis and Hughes carefully withheld from readers is the fact that I and my colleague have refuted every one of Hemenway’s dubious claims, and those by other critics of the NSDS, first in 1997, and again, even more extensively, in 1998 and 2001. Skeptical readers can check for themselves if we failed to refute them—the 1998 version is publicly available here. More seriously motivated readers could acquire a copy of Armed, a 2001 book by Don Kates and me, and read chapter six.

Read more: Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

 

[Wilbur Right]

Fifty-four percent of the defensive gun uses involved somebody verbally referring to the gun.

Forty-seven percent involved the gun being pointed at the criminal.

Twenty-two percent involved the gun being fired.

Fourteen percent involved the gun being fired at somebody, meaning it wasn't just a warning shot; the defender was trying to shoot the criminal. Whether they succeeded or not is another matter but they were trying to shoot a criminal.

And then in 8 percent they actually did wound or kill the offender.

This is a great gun nutters mystery. Anybody know how they got in excess of 100% of respondents?

2nd A doesn't know. And he knows everything about gun surveys.

 

[ChrisL]

I suppose you doubt the rape statistics that there is a rape every 107 seconds??? Over 200,000 rapes per year.

 

[Wilbur Right]

personally know people who have defended themselves against attackers with a gun.

Do tell. How many and did they have to shoot anyone? This is exciting.

So you do believe there have been 15000 dgus in the past three days?

Just come out and say what you believe. Yes or no?

 

[Wilbur Right]

suppose you doubt the rape statistics that there is a rape every 107 seconds??? Over 200,000 rapes per ye

Topic is guns and DGUs. You in the wrong thread?

 

[2aguy]

Fifty-four percent of the defensive gun uses involved somebody verbally referring to the gun.

Forty-seven percent involved the gun being pointed at the criminal.

Twenty-two percent involved the gun being fired.

Fourteen percent involved the gun being fired at somebody, meaning it wasn't just a warning shot; the defender was trying to shoot the criminal. Whether they succeeded or not is another matter but they were trying to shoot a criminal.

And then in 8 percent they actually did wound or kill the offender.

This is a great gun nutters mystery. Anybody know how they got in excess of 100% of respondents?

2nd A doesn't know. And he knows everything about gun surveys.

Okay....here you go...

I am approached by a democrat voter who is going to try to rob me in Chicago...


I place my hand on my Pistol and declare....Stop, leave me alone, I have a gun....( I am in the 54% of gun users by just doing this)

Wow...you are really stupid....(I draw my gun and point it at him, I am now in the 47% who point the gun)

Wow...you are incredibly stupid.....I am forced by this democrat voter to actually fire my gun to save my life. ( I am now in the very small 14% of gun self defense uses...twit)

And since I have gone to the range, and have taken training classes....I actually hit the democrat voter....( I am now in the 8% of defensive gun uses.....)

 

[ChrisL]

Gary Kleck | Florida State College of Criminology & Criminal Justice

Kleck’s recent research has found that higher general gun ownership rates reduce homicide rates, probably because the violence-reducing effects of guns among noncriminal victims and prospective victims outweigh the violence-increasing effects of guns among criminals. Other research found that adding more officers to a city’s police force will not produce increased deterrence of crime. Another recent study found that victims who resist rape attempts, including those who resist forcibly, are more likely to avoid completion of the rape and no more likely to suffer additional injuries than victims who do not resist.


***Whereas mass shootings that you anti-rights jerks complain about are less than 0.1% of all crimes. Get your priorities in perspective.