40 Years of Class Warfare in One Chart.

[SwimExpert]

Technology allows unskilled labor to produce beyond their skill level

Provide one example.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Technology allows unskilled labor to produce beyond their skill level

Provide one example.

10 people with snow shovels one person with a truck and a plow

 

[SwimExpert]

Technology allows unskilled labor to produce beyond their skill level

Provide one example.

10 people with snow shovels one person with a truck and a plow

So, you are saying that there is more skill in operating a shovel than in operating a truck with a plow?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Technology allows unskilled labor to produce beyond their skill level

Provide one example.

10 people with snow shovels one person with a truck and a plow

So, you are saying that there is more skill in operating a shovel than in operating a truck with a plow?

If you can drive you can operate a truck with a plow. I know I never operated a plow until 10 years ago. it takes no training

I'm assuming that most adults can drive.

 

[Mr Natural]

Technology allows unskilled labor to produce beyond their skill level

Provide one example.

10 people with snow shovels one person with a truck and a plow

So, you are saying that there is more skill in operating a shovel than in operating a truck with a plow?

If you can drive you can operate a truck with a plow. I know I never operated a plow until 10 years ago. it takes no training

I'm assuming that most adults can drive.

But operating a truck is still a higher skill level than operating a shovel.

 

[SwimExpert]

If you can drive you can operate a truck with a plow. I know I never operated a plow until 10 years ago. it takes no training

I'm assuming that most adults can drive.

So.....it does involve more skill than operating a shovel.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If you can drive you can operate a truck with a plow. I know I never operated a plow until 10 years ago. it takes no training

I'm assuming that most adults can drive.

So.....it does involve more skill than operating a shovel.

Not for the average adult?

Unless of course the average adult is a fucking retard.

 

[SwimExpert]

If you can drive you can operate a truck with a plow. I know I never operated a plow until 10 years ago. it takes no training

I'm assuming that most adults can drive.

So.....it does involve more skill than operating a shovel.

Not for the average adult?

Unless of course the average adult is a fucking retard.

You must know some very skilled shovellers!

 

[Skull Pilot]

If you can drive you can operate a truck with a plow. I know I never operated a plow until 10 years ago. it takes no training

I'm assuming that most adults can drive.

So.....it does involve more skill than operating a shovel.

Not for the average adult?

Unless of course the average adult is a fucking retard.

You must know some very skilled shovellers!

They can all drive.

Most people learn to drive before they even have a full time job you know.

 

[kaz]

"Productivity in the economy grew by 80.4 percent between 1973 and 2011 but the growth of real hourly compensation of the median worker grew by far less, just 10.7 percent….

"The pattern was very different from 1948 to 1973, when the hourly compensation of a typical worker grew in tandem with productivity.

"Reestablishing the link between productivity and pay of the typical worker is an essential component of any effort to provide shared prosperity and, in fact, may be necessary for obtaining robust growth without relying on asset bubbles and increased household debt."

40 Years of Economic Policy in One Chart CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

In the 1970s wages detached from productivity and the richest among us began using their newly acquired wealth to reduce taxes on capital, role back regulations, break unions, "and induce their shady Central Bank buddies to keep interest rates locked below the rate of inflation so they could cream hefty profits off gigantic asset bubbles."

Mission Accomplished?

Class warfare is your view it's government's job to determine the appropriate distribution of money. Free markets give everyone the opportunity to earn the most pie. Instead of flaming envy, you should flame personal responsibility if you actually want to help anyone

 

[SAYIT]

ow, the question is this: Why did compensation deviate from productivity and what will it take to change this, and realign compensation with productivity?

I think automation played a huge role, jet engines and computers, for example, make it possible for management to control a workforce on the opposite side of the planet nearly as efficiently as one on the opposite side of the street. I suspect all the productivity gains of the past forty years have gone to capital because of the basic architecture of capitalism itself. What is to become of millions of workers displaced by technology?

Wow. It's a regular socialist whine-fest but you did touch the third rail in the first sentence of your post, GP. Computers and other technological advances have been responsible for the increased productivity, not the workers. So would you and your comrades like some cheese with your whine?
How about some music:

 

[SwimExpert]

Most people learn to drive before they even have a full time job you know.

Most people nowadays learn how to use a computer before they learn how to read. That does not mean that using computers is devoid of skill. And it does not mean that all who possess such skills possess equal skills. Personally, I can drive and can drive quite well. But I'm not qualified to operate a plow truck. I have a fear of operating large vehicles. I just can't do it. I'd never be able to operate a snow plow without causing substantial damage to the truck, road, and other cars in the area. At least, not with out going incredibly slowly. If, somehow, I ended up in such a job, my production (or lack thereof) would be a product of my skill level. Other people would perform at their own skill level.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Most people learn to drive before they even have a full time job you know.

Most people nowadays learn how to use a computer before they learn how to read. That does not mean that using computers is devoid of skill. And it does not mean that all who possess such skills possess equal skills. Personally, I can drive and can drive quite well. But I'm not qualified to operate a plow truck. I have a fear of operating large vehicles. I just can't do it. I'd never be able to operate a snow plow without causing substantial damage to the truck, road, and other cars in the area. At least, not with out going incredibly slowly. If, somehow, I ended up in such a job, my production (or lack thereof) would be a product of my skill level. Other people would perform at their own skill level.

I see you like to dumb things down.

Hell why don't we call wiping your ass a skill too ?

 

[SwimExpert]

Computers and other technological advances have been responsible for the increased productivity, not the workers.

I'm afraid you're somewhat mistaken. Workers have been responsible for the increased productivity, just a different type of worker. It takes workers to design a computer, build it, write the programming, operate it, maintain it, etc.

 

[SwimExpert]

Most people learn to drive before they even have a full time job you know.

Most people nowadays learn how to use a computer before they learn how to read. That does not mean that using computers is devoid of skill. And it does not mean that all who possess such skills possess equal skills. Personally, I can drive and can drive quite well. But I'm not qualified to operate a plow truck. I have a fear of operating large vehicles. I just can't do it. I'd never be able to operate a snow plow without causing substantial damage to the truck, road, and other cars in the area. At least, not with out going incredibly slowly. If, somehow, I ended up in such a job, my production (or lack thereof) would be a product of my skill level. Other people would perform at their own skill level.

I see you like to dumb things down.

Hell why don't we call wiping your ass a skill too ?

Sure, why not? No matter how much you try to force the point, the fact will remain the same: Not all skills are equal, not all skill levels are equal.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Most people learn to drive before they even have a full time job you know.

Most people nowadays learn how to use a computer before they learn how to read. That does not mean that using computers is devoid of skill. And it does not mean that all who possess such skills possess equal skills. Personally, I can drive and can drive quite well. But I'm not qualified to operate a plow truck. I have a fear of operating large vehicles. I just can't do it. I'd never be able to operate a snow plow without causing substantial damage to the truck, road, and other cars in the area. At least, not with out going incredibly slowly. If, somehow, I ended up in such a job, my production (or lack thereof) would be a product of my skill level. Other people would perform at their own skill level.

I see you like to dumb things down.

Hell why don't we call wiping your ass a skill too ?

Sure, why not? No matter how much you try to force the point, the fact will remain the same: Not all skills are equal, not all skill levels are equal.

No matter how you want to dumb it down technology allows unskilled workers to produce beyond their skill level.

It takes little or no skill to load wood stock into an automated lathe.

Therefore any moron who can push a button can produce finely turned wood products whereas it used to take a craftsman with years of training.

So tell me who has more skill, the guy who drops a piece of wood into an automated lathe and pushes a button or the craftsman who cuts the wood by hand?

 

[SwimExpert]

Most people learn to drive before they even have a full time job you know.

Most people nowadays learn how to use a computer before they learn how to read. That does not mean that using computers is devoid of skill. And it does not mean that all who possess such skills possess equal skills. Personally, I can drive and can drive quite well. But I'm not qualified to operate a plow truck. I have a fear of operating large vehicles. I just can't do it. I'd never be able to operate a snow plow without causing substantial damage to the truck, road, and other cars in the area. At least, not with out going incredibly slowly. If, somehow, I ended up in such a job, my production (or lack thereof) would be a product of my skill level. Other people would perform at their own skill level.

I see you like to dumb things down.

Hell why don't we call wiping your ass a skill too ?

Sure, why not? No matter how much you try to force the point, the fact will remain the same: Not all skills are equal, not all skill levels are equal.

No matter how you want to dumb it down technology allows unskilled workers to produce beyond their skill level.

It takes little or no skill to load wood stock into an automated lathe.

Therefore any moron who can push a button can produce finely turned wood products whereas it used to take a craftsman with years of training.

So tell me who has more skill, the guy who drops a piece of wood into an automated lathe and pushes a button or the craftsman who cuts the wood by hand?

I think I'm starting to see the problem. You're an unskilled, slack jawed McDonalds worker who has never been in an environment where highly skilled people use advanced technology to perform the kinds of things you're talking about. Thus, you lack an understanding of what constitutes skill, and you lack an understanding of what constitutes productivity.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Most people learn to drive before they even have a full time job you know.

Most people nowadays learn how to use a computer before they learn how to read. That does not mean that using computers is devoid of skill. And it does not mean that all who possess such skills possess equal skills. Personally, I can drive and can drive quite well. But I'm not qualified to operate a plow truck. I have a fear of operating large vehicles. I just can't do it. I'd never be able to operate a snow plow without causing substantial damage to the truck, road, and other cars in the area. At least, not with out going incredibly slowly. If, somehow, I ended up in such a job, my production (or lack thereof) would be a product of my skill level. Other people would perform at their own skill level.

I see you like to dumb things down.

Hell why don't we call wiping your ass a skill too ?

Sure, why not? No matter how much you try to force the point, the fact will remain the same: Not all skills are equal, not all skill levels are equal.

No matter how you want to dumb it down technology allows unskilled workers to produce beyond their skill level.

It takes little or no skill to load wood stock into an automated lathe.

Therefore any moron who can push a button can produce finely turned wood products whereas it used to take a craftsman with years of training.

So tell me who has more skill, the guy who drops a piece of wood into an automated lathe and pushes a button or the craftsman who cuts the wood by hand?

I think I'm starting to see the problem. You're an unskilled, slack jawed McDonalds worker who has never been in an environment where highly skilled people use advanced technology to perform the kinds of things you're talking about. Thus, you lack an understanding of what constitutes skill, and you lack an understanding of what constitutes productivity.

Sorry wrong.

I am actually a pretty accomplished wood worker and I know for a fact that I cannot turn 100 identical table legs by hand faster than some monkey who can load an automated lathe.

You are the one with no skills because you think putting a fucking truck in drive is a major feat.

 

[SAYIT]

Computers and other technological advances have been responsible for the increased productivity, not the workers.

I'm afraid you're somewhat mistaken. Workers have been responsible for the increased productivity, just a different type of worker. It takes workers to design a computer, build it, write the programming, operate it, maintain it, etc.

Unfortunately you misinterpret the productivity factor of that graph. It has soared as a function of technological advances. One trained (not necessarily educated) operator can now do the work of many (often educated) people. That's productivity. We aren't necessarily bigger, stronger, faster or smarter than our 1970's counterparts but our tools are. The good news? More Americans than ever are benefitting from that productivity, so smile.

 

[SAYIT]

Computers and other technological advances have been responsible for the increased productivity, not the workers.

I'm afraid you're somewhat mistaken. Workers have been responsible for the increased productivity, just a different type of worker. It takes workers to design a computer, build it, write the programming, operate it, maintain it, etc.

Unfortunately you misinterpret the productivity factor of that graph. It has soared as a function of technological advances. One trained (not necessarily educated) operator can now do the work of many people. We aren't bigger, stronger, faster or smarter than 1970 workers but our tools are.