$50 minimum wage

[Weatherman2020]

Without the workers who mine the raw materials, transport it to the processing plants and later to the factories, capitalist leeches would have nothing. Without the workers who take those materials at the factory and manufacture everything we consume, you worthless capitalist leeches would have nothing. Without the workers who transport those goods to distribution warehouses and direct to retail stores, you pathetic, lazy capitalist leeches would have nothing. Without those paying consumers who buy the products and services produced by their own working-class (they produce what they consume with their sweat, tears and blood), Worthless capitalist pieces of excrement, leeches like you wouldn't make a penny. WE DON'T NEED YOU, DUMBASS.

You're going to discover that soon.

Still can’t name a good commie nation?

Ah.

It’s the old ‘We’ll do it better next time’ part 3,534

 

[Weatherman2020]

They may be replaced for speed, but they are taken and refurbished.

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Taken to China were slaves do any work.

 

[OKTexas]

My mommy died when I was 12 years old from breast cancer back in 1985, at the age of 38. I lived with my father around the country, including six years in Germany. I've been supporting myself since the age of 18, so what the fuck are you stalking about punk? You're a capitalist leech living off of the labor of others. You're a pathetic piece of shit.

So you're around 51 years old and still haven't figured out how to be successful, I bet you've made a lot of bad decisions in your pathetic little life.

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[Red Front]

Someone has to build the building, maintain the infrastructure, produce the parts, write the software and on and on. And once the robots are produced and programed, they have to be installed, and people will have to maintain them and the infrastructure where they operate. People will always be in the mix.

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Yes and No. You're not thinking this through, as you usually don't with everything you've said so far. Yes indeed, human beings will always be involved in the process of production, BUT that doesn't support, ensure, or require capitalists or market capitalism. Capitalism relies on wages due to the fact that the market is mostly comprised of wage-earners purchasing goods and services. Once technology automates enough jobs, markets are superfluous and unsustainable. The logistics of production with all of its accounting can be handled by automated, intelligent systems and machines. Humans are just there to supervise.

The organization or social apparatus that centrally plans society's production is simply our government, under the authority of people's councils. Those community councils which are now known as "Local Congressional Districts", are led by citizens. Unlike in our current political system, we can hold elections whenever the people request one, and choose our Congressional delegates. We can also recall them when they prove to be incompetent or corrupt. Unlike in China or in Soviet Russia, we American communists believe in the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. Karl Marx was also pro-gun. We American "commies" believe in freedom too.

You apparently don't believe in freeing workers from their capitalist masters, we do. We believe private property or property used to exploit other human beings should be abolished. Only personal property, like your home, car, computer, toothbrush, clothing, combat rifles and ammo, should be allowed, not capitalist-private property/for-profit property. We all read here on the forum a few posts back where you dehumanized, degraded, and reduced human labor to the machinery of production. That's why we communists hate private-for-profit property. We will abolish that shit, and production will be in the hands of the people.

 

[Weatherman2020]

So you're around 51 years old and still haven't figured out how to be successful, I bet you've made a lot of bad decisions in your pathetic little life.

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That’s what Commies are all about. They covet what others have and instead of earning it they steal it.

 

[Red Front]

Still can’t name a good commie nation?

Ah.

It’s the old ‘We’ll do it better next time’ part 3,534

You're stupid and thankfully the vast majority of young people know that. I'm not going to get into a debate about the challenges and accomplishments of the USSR and others. Let me see if I can spark some of your brain cells to life. Did the merchant classes of Europe replace the kings and feudal lords overnight, or did it take centuries? Material conditions and technology had to be in place for the merchants to take over and rule the roost. It didn't happen with one single swoop of the sword or one victory, one well-defined event in history. It was a long process and socialism and later communism, will not replace capitalism without that same, long process.

 

[Red Front]

That’s what Commies are all about. They covet what others have and instead of earning it they steal it.

You didn't earn shit, those workers that you reduced to machinery, produced everything for you. You're a worthless capitalist leech, and in the not too distant future, people like you will be forced under the heel of those same workers that you spent so many years exploiting and abusing. FUCK YOU.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yes and No. You're not thinking this through, as you usually don't with everything you've said so far. Yes indeed, human beings will always be involved in the process of production, BUT that doesn't support, ensure, or require capitalists or market capitalism. Capitalism relies on wages due to the fact that the market is mostly comprised of wage-earners purchasing goods and services. Once technology automates enough jobs, markets are superfluous and unsustainable. The logistics of production with all of its accounting can be handled by automated, intelligent systems and machines. Humans are just there to supervise.

The organization or social apparatus that centrally plans society's production is simply our government, under the authority of people's councils. Those community councils which are now known as "Local Congressional Districts", are led by citizens. Unlike in our current political system, we can hold elections whenever the people request one, and choose our Congressional delegates. We can also recall them when they prove to be incompetent or corrupt. Unlike in China or in Soviet Russia, we American communists believe in the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. Karl Marx was also pro-gun. We American "commies" believe in freedom too.

You apparently don't believe in freeing workers from their capitalist masters, we do. We believe private property or property used to exploit other human beings should be abolished. Only personal property, like your home, car, computer, toothbrush, clothing, combat rifles and ammo, should be allowed, not capitalist-private property/for-profit property. We all read here on the forum a few posts back where you dehumanized, degraded, and reduced human labor to the machinery of production. That's why we communists hate private-for-profit property. We will abolish that shit, and production will be in the hands of the people.

You parrot, but the fact you can’t think on your own says you’re just a Commie useful idiot. Otherwise you would be able to name successful Communist governments.

 

[OKTexas]

Without the workers who mine the raw materials, transport it to the processing plants and later to the factories, capitalist leeches would have nothing. Without the workers who take those materials at the factory and manufacture everything we consume, you worthless capitalist leeches would have nothing. Without the workers who transport those goods to distribution warehouses and direct to retail stores, you pathetic, lazy capitalist leeches would have nothing. Without those paying consumers who buy the products and services produced by their own working-class (they produce what they consume with their sweat, tears and blood), Worthless capitalist pieces of excrement, leeches like you wouldn't make a penny. WE DON'T NEED YOU, DUMBASS.

You're going to discover that soon.

And without the capitalist investing their resources there would be no place to work and earn a living. Companies don't just magically appear.

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[Weatherman2020]

You didn't earn shit, those workers that you reduced to machinery, produced everything for you. You're a worthless capitalist leech, and in the not too distant future, people like you will be forced under the heel of those same workers that you spent so many years exploiting and abusing. FUCK YOU.

How many patents of medical devices are in your name?

Meanwhile Commies use leaches as advanced cure for cancer.

 

[Red Front]

Still can’t name a good commie nation?

Ah.

It’s the old ‘We’ll do it better next time’ part 3,534

The Soviet Union, but that's irrelevant since American communism will be established in the 21st century, under completely different conditions. America is the capitalist-run empire. Once capitalism is defeated here in the empire, that's when communism will flourish throughout the world. It will happen within the next few decades. This is the century that will give birth to communism, just like the 19th century was the century that gave birth to capitalism.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And without the capitalist investing their resources there would be no place to work and earn a living. Companies don't just magically appear.

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In the distorted minds of socialists they think things magically happen.

 

[rampart]

House Democrat demands $50-per-hour federal minimum wage: 'Just do the math!' | Blaze Media

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) argued on Monday that a $50-per-hour minimum wage is mathematically coherent. At a debate for candidates vying for the late Dianne Feinstein's U.S. Senate seat, Lee tried to justify her demand that the U.S. government mandate that businesses pay their employees a...

www.theblaze.com

Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) argued on Monday that a $50-per-hour minimum wage is mathematically coherent.

At a debate for candidates vying for the late Dianne Feinstein's U.S. Senate seat, Lee tried to justify her demand that the U.S. government mandate that businesses pay their employees a minimum of $50 per hour.

"In the Bay Area, I believe it was the United Way that came out with a report very recently: $127,000 for a family of four is just barely enough to get by," Lee said. "Another survey very recently: $104,000 for a family of one — barely enough to get by ... because of the affordability crisis."

California's cost-of-living problems, especially in the Bay Area, are no secret. But how would Lee's proposal be paid for?

Comment:
Minimum wage is for unskilled labor.
If you want to be paid more, you need to learn a skill.
Employers probably could not afford to pay $50 per hour for unskilled labor.
It would probably cause an increase in unemployment.

i do not know what a "fair" minimum wage will turn out to be. certainly the current wage, resulting from industry comtrol of the economy, is not enough. .

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Soviet Union, but that's irrelevant since American communism will be established in the 21st century, under completely different conditions. America is the capitalist-run empire. Once capitalism is defeated here in the empire, that's when communism will flourish throughout the world. It will happen within the next few decades. This is the century that will give birth to communism, just like the 19th century was the century that gave birth to capitalism.

Ah yes. We must emulate a government that murdered 64 million of their own citizens and the 99% lived in squalor while the 1% live like royalty.

I’ve spent some time in Russia. What’s your experience of what it’s like?

 

[Weatherman2020]

i do not know what a "fair" minimum wage will turn out to be. certainly the current wage, resulting from industry comtrol of the economy, is not enough. .

If people don’t like their pay they should either upgrade their skills or relocate.

 

[OKTexas]

Taken to China were slaves do any work.

I doubt that, there are techs that trouble shoot them and replace the bad parts. I have a TV that went bad that had an extended warranty. They sent the parts to me and a tech came out and installed the new circuit boards. They probably sent the bad boards to be refurbished.

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[Weatherman2020]

I doubt that, there are techs that trouble shoot them and replace the bad parts. I have a TV that went bad that had an extended warranty. They sent the parts to me and a tech came out and installed the new circuit boards. They probably sent the bad boards to be refurbished.

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The replacement boards were built offshore and will be scrapped or shipped back offshore. The tech was likely simply someone with enough experience to not insert a screwdriver into the wall outlet.

 

[Red Front]

And without the capitalist investing their resources there would be no place to work and earn a living. Companies don't just magically appear.

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We don't need capitalists investing anything, since our democratic US government could simply fund worker-cooperatives, providing them with loans and other resources to start their businesses. Today the SBA and many banks refuse to provide the start-up capital for worker-owned cooperatives, like this:

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We don't need capitalists, you're worthless leeches, that should all go the way of the dodo. You will, as technology advances and people wake-up due to gross inequality and unaffordable cost of living, the mass unemployment from automation, you capitalist dinosaurs will go instinct, like the Neanderthals. Bye bye.

 

[OKTexas]

Yes and No. You're not thinking this through, as you usually don't with everything you've said so far. Yes indeed, human beings will always be involved in the process of production, BUT that doesn't support, ensure, or require capitalists or market capitalism. Capitalism relies on wages due to the fact that the market is mostly comprised of wage-earners purchasing goods and services. Once technology automates enough jobs, markets are superfluous and unsustainable. The logistics of production with all of its accounting can be handled by automated, intelligent systems and machines. Humans are just there to supervise.

The organization or social apparatus that centrally plans society's production is simply our government, under the authority of people's councils. Those community councils which are now known as "Local Congressional Districts", are led by citizens. Unlike in our current political system, we can hold elections whenever the people request one, and choose our Congressional delegates. We can also recall them when they prove to be incompetent or corrupt. Unlike in China or in Soviet Russia, we American communists believe in the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. Karl Marx was also pro-gun. We American "commies" believe in freedom too.

You apparently don't believe in freeing workers from their capitalist masters, we do. We believe private property or property used to exploit other human beings should be abolished. Only personal property, like your home, car, computer, toothbrush, clothing, combat rifles and ammo, should be allowed, not capitalist-private property/for-profit property. We all read here on the forum a few posts back where you dehumanized, degraded, and reduced human labor to the machinery of production. That's why we communists hate private-for-profit property. We will abolish that shit, and production will be in the hands of the people.

Top down central planning never works. It can't respond to the speed necessary to maintain markets. It take individual capitalist to do that.

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[OKTexas]

In the distorted minds of socialists they think things magically happen.

Yeah, they think their god government can do it all, but they can't. That's been proven over and over.

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