51% America Makes Less Than $30K

[SuperDemocrat]

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Capitalists love cheap labor and there is no such thing as a middle-class in capitalism...

Yes, I wish we had Socialist utopia like Cuba, where if you earn one penny over $25 a day your tossed in a hell hole prison to rot.

Your inability to be rational is noted. Now try posting something accurate like something related to the dark side of capitalism. It has one, like it or not.

What dark side?

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Is that the hope or the change?

But don’t worry, we’re bringing in lots of immigrants who’ll be happy to work for less than even that.

Goodbye Middle Class: 51 Percent Of All American Workers Make Less Than 30,000 Dollars A Year

Thank god We are creating jobs for middle class Americans. Let's say a million new jobs are added but we bring in a million new immigrants. That is a lot of jobs for Americans still left over. Million minus million equals....shit!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Capitalists love cheap labor and there is no such thing as a middle-class in capitalism...

Yes, I wish we had Socialist utopia like Cuba, where if you earn one penny over $25 a day your tossed in a hell hole prison to rot.

Your inability to be rational is noted. Now try posting something accurate like something related to the dark side of capitalism. It has one, like it or not.

What dark side?

Start with the fact that it will eat itself, and if you have to ask then you don't know what capitalism is...

 

[Indeependent]

Is that the hope or the change?

But don’t worry, we’re bringing in lots of immigrants who’ll be happy to work for less than even that.

Goodbye Middle Class: 51 Percent Of All American Workers Make Less Than 30,000 Dollars A Year

Thank god We are creating jobs for middle class Americans. Let's say a million new jobs are added but we bring in a million new immigrants. That is a lot of jobs for Americans still left over. Million minus million equals....shit!

Face it, the Democrats are no better than the Republicans when it comes to stemming the tides of Illegals or Business Visas.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Capitalists love cheap labor and there is no such thing as a middle-class in capitalism...

Yes, I wish we had Socialist utopia like Cuba, where if you earn one penny over $25 a day your tossed in a hell hole prison to rot.

Your inability to be rational is noted. Now try posting something accurate like something related to the dark side of capitalism. It has one, like it or not.

What dark side?

Start with the fact that it will eat itself, and if you have to ask then you don't know what capitalism is...

That is something that has never happened. It is kind of like the Obama recovery. Something that never happened and is never going to happen

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Capitalists love cheap labor and there is no such thing as a middle-class in capitalism...

Yes, I wish we had Socialist utopia like Cuba, where if you earn one penny over $25 a day your tossed in a hell hole prison to rot.

Your inability to be rational is noted. Now try posting something accurate like something related to the dark side of capitalism. It has one, like it or not.

What dark side?

Start with the fact that it will eat itself, and if you have to ask then you don't know what capitalism is...

That is something that has never happened. It is kind of like the Obama recovery. Something that never happened and is never going to happen

Total nonsense. It's not surprising, we don't teach capitalism here.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Is that the hope or the change?

But don’t worry, we’re bringing in lots of immigrants who’ll be happy to work for less than even that.

Goodbye Middle Class: 51 Percent Of All American Workers Make Less Than 30,000 Dollars A Year

Thank god We are creating jobs for middle class Americans. Let's say a million new jobs are added but we bring in a million new immigrants. That is a lot of jobs for Americans still left over. Million minus million equals....shit!

Face it, the Democrats are no better than the Republicans when it comes to stemming the tides of Illegals or Business Visas.

Perhaps, but the Republican constituents are holding the fire under the feet of our representatives whereas the Democrat constituency group totally support their leaders when it comes to illegal or legal immigration.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why?
Be precise

I just heard it reported on CNN... No one is hiring. Read it in my local paper two days ago. It's bad out there for folks that are unemployed or underemployed.

There are all kinds of jobs out there, it's just that you can't get Americans to work them.

Not good paying ones. If there were wages wouldn't be stagnant.

There are two sides to this. While I keep hearing how there are no good paying jobs, many people believe they should just get a job and be paid $20 or $30 per hour or more. It doesn't usually work that way unless you have the right education or experience and you are in a field that actually needs employees, say nursing or almost anything medical for instance. For many, it might mean needing to take a lower paying job with growth potential. My youngest son, who is 18, is not very book smart, but he busts his ass working. He started out at McDonald's and Subway, and then found work at a locally owned new start up that is opening its third store in January. He also worked, for a short time, at one of the top restaurants in our area where the average meal for two with drinks will run $200 to $300, so a very upscale restaurant. He ended up having to choose between the two, so he left the job at the upscale place where he was making close to $15 per hour and was in line to make over $20 per our within a year's time. He took the job with the growing chain where he is making about $13 per hour now, but will be making $15 to $20 within a year, and with the potential to make much more down the line as he is in their management program and will likely become a regional manager by the time he is 25, assuming of course that the company grows as planned. My oldest son who is 19 delivers pizza part-time and works for a trucking company loading and unloading trucks. He makes $15 to $20 per hour and will be starting school in January. These are young kids making good money for their age, and both have potential to earn much more down the road. BTW, we live in a city that is not considered one of the best places to find work, so it can't be said that we live somewhere with a great economy and great paying jobs.

As long as young people are single or have a spouse that can hold down a decent job, life is good. The problems usually start when they start having kids and that one room apartment isn't big enough, one car won't cut it anymore, the kids need braces at about $4,000 each and then there's school lunches, activity fees, after school care, tutoring fees, swim lessons, and of course more life insurance, and a savings plan for the kids college education, etc, etc. Suddenly, $25/hr an hour is hardly enough to keep the creditors at bay.

Which is something for younger people to consider before starting a family.

 

[paulitician]

And more Illegals is going to

And more Illegals is going to drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to

And more Illegals is going to
drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to 8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

Certainly it would. Throw in all the legal workers brought in to take the better paying tech jobs and it certainly is driving down wages.

The facts simply don't suppor

And more Illegals is going to

And more Illegals is going to drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to 8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

 

[Flopper]

And more Illegals is going to

And more Illegals is going to drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to

6 to 8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

Certainly it would. Throw in all the legal workers brought in to take the better paying tech jobs and it certainly is driving down wages.

The facts simply don't suppor

And more Illegals is going to

And more Illegals is going to drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to 8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

My post is about legal immigrants. We need more immigration but we need the right kind of immigration certainly not illegal immigration and certainly not unrestricted immigration.

 

[bripat9643]

And more Illegals is going to
drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

Certainly it would. Throw in all the legal workers brought in to take the better paying tech jobs and it certainly is driving down wages.

The facts simply don't suppor

And more Illegals is going to
drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to 8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

My post is about legal immigrants. We need more immigration but we need the right kind of immigration certainly not illegal immigration and certainly not unrestricted immigration.

Actually, we don't need any more immigrants. What do we need them for? Does anyone believe that 330 million isn't enough people in this country?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And more Illegals is going to
drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

Certainly it would. Throw in all the legal workers brought in to take the better paying tech jobs and it certainly is driving down wages.

The facts simply don't suppor

And more Illegals is going to
drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to 8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

My post is about legal immigrants. We need more immigration but we need the right kind of immigration certainly not illegal immigration and certainly not unrestricted immigration.

What's the difference between legal an illegal? They both bring down wages for Americans. What we really need is to close off our borders for several years until our wages in this country are back to normal. And maybe, just maybe if that ever happens, then we can let a few immigrants in here and there, but nothing like we're seeing today or what the Democrats are proposing.

 

[paulitician]

6 to
8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

Certainly it would. Throw in all the legal workers brought in to take the better paying tech jobs and it certainly is driving down wages.

The facts simply don't suppor

6 to 8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

My post is about legal immigrants. We need more immigration but we need the right kind of immigration certainly not illegal immigration and certainly not unrestricted immigration.

Actually, we don't need any more immigrants. What do we need them for? Does anyone believe that 330 million isn't enough people in this country?

Yeah i agree, there's no 'need' for it. But most are ok with legal immigration. It's just time to end illegal immigration.

 

[bripat9643]

Certainly it would. Throw in all the legal workers brought in to take the better paying tech jobs and it certainly is driving down wages.

The facts simply don't suppor

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

My post is about legal immigrants. We need more immigration but we need the right kind of immigration certainly not illegal immigration and certainly not unrestricted immigration.

Actually, we don't need any more immigrants. What do we need them for? Does anyone believe that 330 million isn't enough people in this country?

Yeah i agree, there's no 'need' for it. But most are ok with legal immigration. It's just time to end illegal immigration.

It's time to drastically reduce legal immigration as well. Legal immigrants are also taking American jobs and driving our wages down. We need to cut all immigration from whatever source to less than a quarter of what it is today.

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[paulitician]

The facts simply don't suppor
The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

My post is about legal immigrants. We need more immigration but we need the right kind of immigration certainly not illegal immigration and certainly not unrestricted immigration.

Actually, we don't need any more immigrants. What do we need them for? Does anyone believe that 330 million isn't enough people in this country?

Yeah i agree, there's no 'need' for it. But most are ok with legal immigration. It's just time to end illegal immigration.

It's time to drastically reduce legal immigration as well. Legal immigrants are also taking American jobs and driving our wages down. We need to cut all immigration from whatever source to less than a quarter of what it is today.

Sent from my SM-G928V using Tapatalk

I have to agree at this point.

 

[Flopper]

6 to
8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

Certainly it would. Throw in all the legal workers brought in to take the better paying tech jobs and it certainly is driving down wages.

The facts simply don't suppor

6 to 8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

My post is about legal immigrants. We need more immigration but we need the right kind of immigration certainly not illegal immigration and certainly not unrestricted immigration.

Actually, we don't need any more immigrants. What do we need them for? Does anyone believe that 330 million isn't enough people in this country?

We seem to forget that we are a nation of immigrants. America always needs legal immigrants for a number of reasons.

• Contrary to popular myth, immigrants do not push Americans out of jobs. Immigrants tend to fill jobs that Americans cannot or will not fill, mostly at the high and low ends of the skill spectrum.
• Immigrants start businesses. According to the Small Business Administration, immigrants are 30 percent more likely to start a business in the United States than non-immigrants, and 18 percent of all small business owners in the United States are immigrants.
• Immigrant owned businesses create jobs. According to the Fiscal Policy Institute, small businesses owned by immigrants employed an estimated 4.7 million people in 2007, and according to the latest estimates, these small businesses generated more than $776 billion annually.
• Immigrants develop cutting-edge technologies and companies.According to the National Venture Capital Association, immigrants have started 25 percent of public U.S. companies that were backed by venture capital investors. This list includes Google, eBay, Yahoo!, Sun Microsystems, and Intel.
• Unlike illegal immigrants, legal immigrants both blend into and add to the American culture.

Immigrants have enriched American culture and enhanced our influence in the world
Ten Ways Immigrants Help Build and Strengthen Our Economy

 

[Brain357]

And more Illegals is going to
drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

Certainly it would. Throw in all the legal workers brought in to take the better paying tech jobs and it certainly is driving down wages.

The facts simply don't suppor

And more Illegals is going to
drive wages even lower. We are rapidly becoming a broken-down Welfare/Warfare State. We'll soon be a nation of miserable slaves making their $8-9 an hr. and depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Only the few Elites will thrive.

6 to 8 million undocumented immigrants, most of which are working seasonal, part time, or temp are not going to drive the wages down of 123 million full time workers.

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

My post is about legal immigrants. We need more immigration but we need the right kind of immigration certainly not illegal immigration and certainly not unrestricted immigration.

In our current economic environment why do you think we need immigration?

 

[Brain357]

Certainly it would. Throw in all the legal workers brought in to take the better paying tech jobs and it certainly is driving down wages.

The facts simply don't suppor

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

My post is about legal immigrants. We need more immigration but we need the right kind of immigration certainly not illegal immigration and certainly not unrestricted immigration.

Actually, we don't need any more immigrants. What do we need them for? Does anyone believe that 330 million isn't enough people in this country?

We seem to forget that we are a nation of immigrants. America always needs legal immigrants for a number of reasons.

• Contrary to popular myth, immigrants do not push Americans out of jobs. Immigrants tend to fill jobs that Americans cannot or will not fill, mostly at the high and low ends of the skill spectrum.
• Immigrants start businesses. According to the Small Business Administration, immigrants are 30 percent more likely to start a business in the United States than non-immigrants, and 18 percent of all small business owners in the United States are immigrants.
• Immigrant owned businesses create jobs. According to the Fiscal Policy Institute, small businesses owned by immigrants employed an estimated 4.7 million people in 2007, and according to the latest estimates, these small businesses generated more than $776 billion annually.
• Immigrants develop cutting-edge technologies and companies.According to the National Venture Capital Association, immigrants have started 25 percent of public U.S. companies that were backed by venture capital investors. This list includes Google, eBay, Yahoo!, Sun Microsystems, and Intel.
• Unlike illegal immigrants, legal immigrants both blend into and add to the American culture.

Immigrants have enriched American culture and enhanced our influence in the world
Ten Ways Immigrants Help Build and Strengthen Our Economy

If it wasn't immigrants, it would be citizens starting businesses. Heck immigration might hurt the chances of a non immigrant starting a business. I don't see how that is good.

 

[Brain357]

Certainly it would. Throw in all the legal workers brought in to take the better paying tech jobs and it certainly is driving down wages.

The facts simply don't suppor

It's already happening. Illegals will generally work for lower wages. And the greedy love that. So opening the border floodgates is going to hurt American Workers. And they can't afford to make even lower wages.

The facts simply don't support your conclusion. More than two decades of research have reached a near consensus that increased immigration has a very small although discernible negative effect on employment in the low skilled labor market in specific area but there is no detectable effect on low skilled labor across the nation.

Who's saying we should open our boarders? All immigration reform bills in congress have proposed strengthening our boarders. If immigration reform is done right, it will use the fact-based reality that immigrants of all skill levels are good for the economy, including wages, jobs, and economic growth.

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_11_07.pdf

Illegals will and do work for lower wages. That's the reality. More Illegals is a disaster for American Workers.

My post is about legal immigrants. We need more immigration but we need the right kind of immigration certainly not illegal immigration and certainly not unrestricted immigration.

Actually, we don't need any more immigrants. What do we need them for? Does anyone believe that 330 million isn't enough people in this country?

Yeah i agree, there's no 'need' for it. But most are ok with legal immigration. It's just time to end illegal immigration.

Yes legally we can control how many and who. If the economy needs workers up the number. If we don't let fewer in. Illegally you get uncontrolled numbers and just any riff raff.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Capitalists love cheap labor and there is no such thing as a middle-class in capitalism...

Excuse me, but we're talking about this planet, the one called Earth.

How much of a middle class was there in Cuba, China, and the Soviet Union when socialism was in full flower?

And, oh, how's the middle class doing in Greece, Spain, and Italy, where the same policies that you guys want have been tried in spades?