53% of Americans Think Republicans are Too Extreme

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The poll identified Republicans as, "Too Extreme." They ARE. However, we should not conclude that "too extreme" is "bad." After all, Republicans maintained control of HoR despite being "too extreme."

It is the function of the party that has minority control of government (Dems control both the Presidency and Senate) to be "extreme" or better put, contrarian, to the majority party.

It is the obligation of the minority party to compromise, especially on an issue on which the American public has voted, in particular, raising taxes for those earning the most. Obama was elected on a platform of raising taxes for the highest income tax payers and yet still the Leader of the House has yet to propose a single new tax, and in fact is only offering to close loopholes. That was Romney's proposal and the electorate rejected that proposal when they elected Obama as their President.

Polls consistently show that even the majority of those who voted Republican still want taxes raised on the highest income brackets.

Republicans seem incapable of deciding whether elections matter or not.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Okay, here are my credentials. I believe anything a woman does with her own body is between herself, her doctor and her God. I don't give a damn who marries who.

On this we can agree. NOT having an abortion is also a choice. If you personally oppose abortion, don't have one. This should be a no-brainer in the land of liberty.

But when it comes to my pocket book get your hands OFF. I'll be the judge of how my money is spent, not some whiney little community organizer who's never handled over $200 in his life that wasn't handed to him.

This relentless vilifying of social programs by the right misses the point entirely. You have entire communities who are struggling. Literally millions of young people are growing up in poverty with few opportunities or outlets to develop their potential. Unless serious steps are taken to improve education, nutrition and opportunties, this group will truly become a permanent underclass.



On this we can agree. I would go further and say that I am tired of politicians who vote against something which would be good for the country just because the other side introduced it. I say this about BOTH sides.



Not even national security interests? Because the CIA has testified that THEY asked the SoS and the White House not to disclose that they had information about a terrorist attack because that would have blown their cover in Benghazi and revealed that the CIA there was listening into their radio transmissions. Because the Republicans, who were aware of this operation because of their seats on the Senate oversight committee, forced the CIA into making this public admission, now the terrorists know that the CIA is monitoring their radio traffic, and the entire operation has been blown. Well done, Republicans!!!

I want to know my representatives aren't using their positions to make good buys in the stock market.

Or in any other way, profitting from their position as an elected representative. But my biggest issue is with PAC's and their funding of election campaigns. The Citizen's United decision needs to be overturned. Corporations are NOT people, they cannot vote, and their rights as a "person" are limited to the ability to own and deal with property as can a person. The broader interpretation of corporate rights as a person beyond that of property ownership has further corrupted the political process.

I'd like a president that cares more about creating a budget than getting his picture taken while he pats himself on the back and I want MY FUCKING MONEY BACK when my elected officials don't perform.
Will that serve??

You seem blinded by your hatred of Obama. Part of the President's JOB is to get his picture taken. And given the mess he was given to deal with he's not done a bad job, despite the Republicans avowed campaign to limit his presidency to one term.

No politican manages to get everything done that they set out to do. I knew when Obama was first elected that he would be a huge disappointment to many because no one could have possibly fulfilled all of the expectations that were heaped upon him, especially given that the economy was in freefall when he took office.

In some regards, he's done better than I would have expected (getting the ACA passed in the teeth of formidable opposition, foreign policy - ending the wars, killing Bin Laden, slowing the growth of government spending in a very bad economy), and in others, he's disappointed (totally lacked a spine in dealing with Republicans until recently, could cut military spending but must be careful about job losses).

The thing is, either way, it's not YOUR money. It's the amount you paid in taxes for the infrastructure, public education, opportunity to live in a democratic society, and the freedom and security to enjoy them all. Once you pay your fair share, you get to participate in the discussion of how the public purse is spent, but your side lost the election. You want to change things, fine, but you have to wait another two years before anything can happen.

Yes it is OUR money. You have it backwards. We allow government to tax us for the sole purpose of operating the government. The people we elect that represent US in the PEOPLE'S HOUSE have the sworn duty to first conduct themselves in an honest and ethical manner while being good stewards of the funds we allow them to use.
It is the job of the opposition party to end the career of politicians with which they do not agree are doing what it right for ALL of the people. Obama is a progressive central planner. In the opinion of about half the people of the country he has HIS OWN best interests in mind. Obama's entire focus of his administration is to do what is popular for 50% plus one. He cares not for the country as a whole. Obama is NOT a statesman. IN fact I do not believe he can even define the term.
Stop blaming the previous administrations for Obama's problems. You buy into the notion of 'campaigner in Chief'. Obama has been at the helm for 47 months and still we have people such as yourself whining about Bush and acting as though Obama gets to swoop in and say "ok, I am here now".
Slowing the growth of government? Are you living in the US right now? $6 trillion....In NEW spending..If that is not growing the size of government, we have a great disconnect.
In any event, your participation should be concluded. Once you play the "you just hate Obama" card, you lose what ever credibility to debate the issue you may have had.
Face it. You are coming off like an Obama sycophant. You;re a fan of Obama. So be it.
Based on that, you are in no position to debate on a rational level.

 

[CandySlice]

Personally I think we'll look back some day and thank the republican party for NOT letting that selfserving, petty, tyranical little pisher have his way and run this country into the ground.
Stick to yer guns boys. Back that little twit right off that fiscal cliff!

wouldnt a tyrant not let this country go over a fiscal cliff and just ram something through by decree? Wouldnt he have done this you know 2 years ago instead of trying to work with the right?

Obama, the biggest limp-wristed, war monger, who is a tyrant, but can't do anything, but will come and take your guns, and toss you into a fema camp.

i love rightwing thinking.

Let me see if I can simplify for you why your posts hold no weight. You just lumped ALL Republicans into the same category and that's good enough for you. What you are is lazy and uninformed.
What do you know about me that you can so easily summerize my life and my thinking? Do you know where I've been? Who I've met? Do you know where I went to school? What level of education I attained?? Do you know WHY I feel the way I do about any given subject? Hell, do you even know how old I am or even what sex I am??

You know nothing about me at all as a person. But it's TOO HARD to get to know things about people before you criticise, isn't it? You are too lazy to try to get to the bottom of any given problem because that would mean you had to THINK and use your intellect. It's just so much easier to lump us all into one group, believe we all think the same, feel the same, react the same because you are too lazy, too dumb and too clueless to listen to the thoughts of others. Probably because you've never had an original thought in your life.

You are the perfect example of what's wrong in this country. People like you don't relate to anybody but yourselves and you are too shiftless to even try and correct that fatal flaw.

 

[Plasmaball]

They need to get rid of the RINO's and moderates is what they need to do. Let them start their own party... call themselves "The Fence Sitting Party."

Because so called republicans constantly caving in to obama and the socialist democrat party is a losing strategy. We found that out in the last election.

I'd love to see this happen. If the hardcore absolutists are so sure they can win on their own -- and they clearly are -- then they should stop complaining about "RINO's" and moderates and get on with it. Start a new party, let's go.

What are they waiting for?

.

They're no more "hard core absolutists" than liberals are. In fact at this point the greatest "hard core absolutists" in our government is obama. To him it's "my way or the highway." You know it, I know it, we all know... however it seems only those who don't worship obama will admit it.

The republicans need to find their back bone and get rid of the weasels. Yes, conservatism can win, someone who will stand their ground will win, we found that out in 2010 when the Tea Party gave the democrats a "shellacking." The only people that are all up in arms and ridiculing and calling names are the "hard core libroid hacks," because UNDERSTANDABLY, they HATE true conservatives and are doing everything in their power to run them down, so they created this false narrative that true conservatives can't win, when nothing could be further from the truth. Romney got the moderate vote in HUGE numbers, those coveted MIDDLE ground people, and he still LOST the election. Why? Because he DIDN'T GET THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE! The republicans need a person to say what needs to be said and not be afraid. I see the republicans right now as a bunch of discombooberated pussies afraid of everything. When they find their balls they'll reemerge as winners. 'Til then, they'll keep losing elections.

amusing.......even though you are wrong like usual. Romney got the conservative vote, and he got the majority of them.

He lost out to the indies and didnt have a good ground game. He believed his own hype when he should have been knocking on doors. Obama out ran Mittens and now we get to watch morons like you make all the excuses in the world.

If Obama was such a hardcore absolutist we wouldnt be having a Fiscal cliff debate, We wouldnt of had a Obamacare debate. He would have just signed them into law regardless.

Look i know in your made up fantasy world the left are evil, and do everything wrong. That Obama is a tyrant who rams things down your throat.

In reality none of that is true..

Welcher

 

[Plasmaball]

Personally I think we'll look back some day and thank the republican party for NOT letting that selfserving, petty, tyranical little pisher have his way and run this country into the ground.
Stick to yer guns boys. Back that little twit right off that fiscal cliff!

wouldnt a tyrant not let this country go over a fiscal cliff and just ram something through by decree? Wouldnt he have done this you know 2 years ago instead of trying to work with the right?

Obama, the biggest limp-wristed, war monger, who is a tyrant, but can't do anything, but will come and take your guns, and toss you into a fema camp.

i love rightwing thinking.

Naw, I don't think that at all. The bastard isn't going to get MY guns, you can bet on that. And there are no contradicions in my thinking either. Obama will Forrest Gump this country into the worst quagmire it's ever been in. Period.

like i told others, PLEASE if they ever come for your guns fight your way to the death. I will get great joy out of watching you act like a dumbass.

Yeah i've been hearing that tired record for the past 4 years under Obama and 8 under Bush. Im still waiting for this quagmire to show up.

 

[Plasmaball]

Personally I think we'll look back some day and thank the republican party for NOT letting that selfserving, petty, tyranical little pisher have his way and run this country into the ground.
Stick to yer guns boys. Back that little twit right off that fiscal cliff!

wouldnt a tyrant not let this country go over a fiscal cliff and just ram something through by decree? Wouldnt he have done this you know 2 years ago instead of trying to work with the right?

Obama, the biggest limp-wristed, war monger, who is a tyrant, but can't do anything, but will come and take your guns, and toss you into a fema camp.

i love rightwing thinking.

Let me see if I can simplify for you why your posts hold no weight. You just lumped ALL Repuiblicans into the same category and that's good enough for you. What you are is lazy and uninformed.
What do you know about me that you can so easily summerize my life and my thinking? Do you know where I've been? Who I've met? Do you know where I went to school? What level of education I attained?? Do you know WHY I feel the way I do about any given subject? Hell, do you even know how old I am or even what sex I am??

You know nothing about me at all as a person. But it's TOO HARD to get to know things about people before you criticise, isn't it? You are too lazy to try to get to the bottom of any given problem because that would mean you had to THINK and use your intellect. It's just so much easier to lump us all into one group, believe we all think the same, feel the same, react the same because you are too lazy, too dumb and too clueless to listen to the thoughts of others. Probably because you've never had an original thought in your life.

You are the perfect example of what's wrong in this country. People like you don't relate to anybody but yourselves and you are too shiftless to even try and correct that fatal flaw.

No i was just lumping you with your post. I don't tend to lump all Rightwingers together, because that would be insulting to people i like.

i don't give a shit about your personal life. It is irrelevant to what post i responded to.

I relate to plenty of people, but again your little whine here is meaningless and mostly just a deflection.

I don't know maybe try this whine on someone else who gives a shit?

 

[thereisnospoon]

The poll identified Republicans as, "Too Extreme." They ARE. However, we should not conclude that "too extreme" is "bad." After all, Republicans maintained control of HoR despite being "too extreme."

It is the function of the party that has minority control of government (Dems control both the Presidency and Senate) to be "extreme" or better put, contrarian, to the majority party.

It is the obligation of the minority party to compromise, especially on an issue on which the American public has voted, in particular, raising taxes for those earning the most. Obama was elected on a platform of raising taxes for the highest income tax payers and yet still the Leader of the House has yet to propose a single new tax, and in fact is only offering to close loopholes. That was Romney's proposal and the electorate rejected that proposal when they elected Obama as their President.

Polls consistently show that even the majority of those who voted Republican still want taxes raised on the highest income brackets.

On which planet? A government that functions on capitulation is a fiefdom. What you suggest is those representatives and Senators elected who happen to be the minority party are meaningless figureheads. That they should just go along to get along.
Oh, since you opened the door, does this apply to democrats in the House as well? Take care in your response.
A question, what will increasing taxes on the wealthiest people accomplish in the context of reducing debt and deficits?
Do your homework and consider your answer carefully remembering that the top ten percent of wage earners are responsible for well over 50% of the federal tax burden.
Our government should not govern by polls.
One final word. The framers, men who were a lot smarter than you and I, set up our government such that the majority could not trample the rights of the minority. We are NOT a democracy. We are a representative republic.

 

[thereisnospoon]

We'll have to disagree on who the hardcore absolutists are. Right now, all I see (and all voters see) is a small group from one party in one of the three branches of government holding everything up because they absolutely refuse to budge on anything.

But anyway, I'm trying to get to the bottom line here, and it's been tough as hell for me to get a straight answer from the others.

You're saying that, if the GOP gets rid of those they feel are RINO's and moderates, they'll be able to win more elections?

.

Correct. Liberalism is destroying the nation.
The kind of far left liberalism we see from Obama and his followers is pushing the nation too far to the left. It's all about "what will government do for me".
The Obama admin has divided this country so deeply, it may take years to correct this.
This is what liberalism stand for. Place people into groups and pit them against each other.
The other day, Obama made a speech. In that speech he said "no one will get everything they want." That was a lie.
Obama's enormous ego will not allow for anything but his way.

Yes, that's a description of why you think the GOP should take control away from the Democrats, but it does nothing to describe how you're going to get enough votes without appealing to "RINOs" and moderates.

.

Rephrase.....Conservatives. There is a dire need to purge the GOP of go along to get along big tent center left leaning RINO's

 

[RandallFlagg]

Except that inner city kids today have little chance of graduating high school. And if they do, the quality of the education they will have received is so substandard, they will basically be qualified to do nothing. Education is the gateway to opportunity so if you want to keep an entire socio-economic class from rising up, the first thing you do is fail to educate them, and then confine them to jobs which don't pay enough to keep a roof over their heads or feed their families.

Until the basic problems with education and opportunity are dealt with, there will be little chance for those currently in poverty, to rise above it. Investment in education would be the first step to helping this generation succeed, but other supports are needed, for now, like food stamps and Medicaid, just so these kids will have the same opportunities as you do, because after 30+ years of Republican policy, they don't have even close to the opportunities you did.

Why is it, that after years and years and years of increased public school funding, each and every year, liberals continue the song and dance about "investing in education" Every time Obama opens his mouth, it usually includes something to the effect of "we have to hire more teachers" and "we have to invest more in education"??? The man is a broken record and liberals parrot his every word.

The United States spends more, per student, than nearly every civilized nation on this earth and what have we to show or it? You speak of my "opportunities"?? I had the "opportunities" that I had because my parents - both Black, College graduates, REFUSED to allow me to do ANYTHING but succeed. Sometimes IN SPITE of ME and those wonderful public school teachers who, for the most part, couldn't have cared less.

I joined the Army and fought in Vietnam. As a result of that, The GI bill paid for me to get my College education. The only "opportunities" that the government gave me was a reward for killing the enemy. However, I took full advantage of it.

Again, until Blacks quit "making excuses" for each other and get off their butts and strive to get the hell AWAY from the Heroin that is the government, there will be no changes. Until Blacks tell liberals to take a long walk off a short pier, it will ALWAYS be the status quo.

 

[CandySlice]

Okay, here are my credentials. I believe anything a woman does with her own body is between herself, her doctor and her God. I don't give a damn who marries who.

On this we can agree. NOT having an abortion is also a choice. If you personally oppose abortion, don't have one. This should be a no-brainer in the land of liberty.



This relentless vilifying of social programs by the right misses the point entirely. You have entire communities who are struggling. Literally millions of young people are growing up in poverty with few opportunities or outlets to develop their potential. Unless serious steps are taken to improve education, nutrition and opportunties, this group will truly become a permanent underclass.



On this we can agree. I would go further and say that I am tired of politicians who vote against something which would be good for the country just because the other side introduced it. I say this about BOTH sides.



Not even national security interests? Because the CIA has testified that THEY asked the SoS and the White House not to disclose that they had information about a terrorist attack because that would have blown their cover in Benghazi and revealed that the CIA there was listening into their radio transmissions. Because the Republicans, who were aware of this operation because of their seats on the Senate oversight committee, forced the CIA into making this public admission, now the terrorists know that the CIA is monitoring their radio traffic, and the entire operation has been blown. Well done, Republicans!!!



Or in any other way, profitting from their position as an elected representative. But my biggest issue is with PAC's and their funding of election campaigns. The Citizen's United decision needs to be overturned. Corporations are NOT people, they cannot vote, and their rights as a "person" are limited to the ability to own and deal with property as can a person. The broader interpretation of corporate rights as a person beyond that of property ownership has further corrupted the political process.

I'd like a president that cares more about creating a budget than getting his picture taken while he pats himself on the back and I want MY FUCKING MONEY BACK when my elected officials don't perform.
Will that serve??

You seem blinded by your hatred of Obama. Part of the President's JOB is to get his picture taken. And given the mess he was given to deal with he's not done a bad job, despite the Republicans avowed campaign to limit his presidency to one term.

No politican manages to get everything done that they set out to do. I knew when Obama was first elected that he would be a huge disappointment to many because no one could have possibly fulfilled all of the expectations that were heaped upon him, especially given that the economy was in freefall when he took office.

In some regards, he's done better than I would have expected (getting the ACA passed in the teeth of formidable opposition, foreign policy - ending the wars, killing Bin Laden, slowing the growth of government spending in a very bad economy), and in others, he's disappointed (totally lacked a spine in dealing with Republicans until recently, could cut military spending but must be careful about job losses).

The thing is, either way, it's not YOUR money. It's the amount you paid in taxes for the infrastructure, public education, opportunity to live in a democratic society, and the freedom and security to enjoy them all. Once you pay your fair share, you get to participate in the discussion of how the public purse is spent, but your side lost the election. You want to change things, fine, but you have to wait another two years before anything can happen.

Yes it is OUR money. You have it backwards. We allow government to tax us for the sole purpose of operating the government. The people we elect that represent US in the PEOPLE'S HOUSE have the sworn duty to first conduct themselves in an honest and ethical manner while being good stewards of the funds we allow them to use.
It is the job of the opposition party to end the career of politicians with which they do not agree are doing what it right for ALL of the people. Obama is a progressive central planner. In the opinion of about half the people of the country he has HIS OWN best interests in mind. Obama's entire focus of his administration is to do what is popular for 50% plus one. He cares not for the country as a whole. Obama is NOT a statesman. IN fact I do not believe he can even define the term.
Stop blaming the previous administrations for Obama's problems. You buy into the notion of 'campaigner in Chief'. Obama has been at the helm for 47 months and still we have people such as yourself whining about Bush and acting as though Obama gets to swoop in and say "ok, I am here now".
Slowing the growth of government? Are you living in the US right now? $6 trillion....In NEW spending..If that is not growing the size of government, we have a great disconnect.
In any event, your participation should be concluded. Once you play the "you just hate Obama" card, you lose what ever credibility to debate the issue you may have had.
Face it. You are coming off like an Obama sycophant. You;re a fan of Obama. So be it.
Based on that, you are in no position to debate on a rational level.

I think someone needs to clue her into the fact we don't work for the government. They work for us.

 

[CandySlice]

wouldnt a tyrant not let this country go over a fiscal cliff and just ram something through by decree? Wouldnt he have done this you know 2 years ago instead of trying to work with the right?

Obama, the biggest limp-wristed, war monger, who is a tyrant, but can't do anything, but will come and take your guns, and toss you into a fema camp.

i love rightwing thinking.

Let me see if I can simplify for you why your posts hold no weight. You just lumped ALL Repuiblicans into the same category and that's good enough for you. What you are is lazy and uninformed.
What do you know about me that you can so easily summerize my life and my thinking? Do you know where I've been? Who I've met? Do you know where I went to school? What level of education I attained?? Do you know WHY I feel the way I do about any given subject? Hell, do you even know how old I am or even what sex I am??

You know nothing about me at all as a person. But it's TOO HARD to get to know things about people before you criticise, isn't it? You are too lazy to try to get to the bottom of any given problem because that would mean you had to THINK and use your intellect. It's just so much easier to lump us all into one group, believe we all think the same, feel the same, react the same because you are too lazy, too dumb and too clueless to listen to the thoughts of others. Probably because you've never had an original thought in your life.

You are the perfect example of what's wrong in this country. People like you don't relate to anybody but yourselves and you are too shiftless to even try and correct that fatal flaw.

No i was just lumping you with your post. I don't tend to lump all Rightwingers together, because that would be insulting to people i like.

i don't give a shit about your personal life. It is irrelevant to what post i responded to.

I relate to plenty of people, but again your little whine here is meaningless and mostly just a deflection.

I don't know maybe try this whine on someone else who gives a shit?

Hey, do with the information as you please. Somewhere along the line you must have decided being a jerk-off was a good idea. It's not. You look like a fool.

 

[Plasmaball]

Let me see if I can simplify for you why your posts hold no weight. You just lumped ALL Repuiblicans into the same category and that's good enough for you. What you are is lazy and uninformed.
What do you know about me that you can so easily summerize my life and my thinking? Do you know where I've been? Who I've met? Do you know where I went to school? What level of education I attained?? Do you know WHY I feel the way I do about any given subject? Hell, do you even know how old I am or even what sex I am??

You know nothing about me at all as a person. But it's TOO HARD to get to know things about people before you criticise, isn't it? You are too lazy to try to get to the bottom of any given problem because that would mean you had to THINK and use your intellect. It's just so much easier to lump us all into one group, believe we all think the same, feel the same, react the same because you are too lazy, too dumb and too clueless to listen to the thoughts of others. Probably because you've never had an original thought in your life.

You are the perfect example of what's wrong in this country. People like you don't relate to anybody but yourselves and you are too shiftless to even try and correct that fatal flaw.

No i was just lumping you with your post. I don't tend to lump all Rightwingers together, because that would be insulting to people i like.

i don't give a shit about your personal life. It is irrelevant to what post i responded to.

I relate to plenty of people, but again your little whine here is meaningless and mostly just a deflection.

I don't know maybe try this whine on someone else who gives a shit?

Hey, do with the information as you please. Somewhere along the line you must have decided being a jerk-off was a good idea. It's not. You look like a fool.

mmmk..

 

[CandySlice]

Excellent point. How come blacks and Hispanics never learn? I can answer your question with a question: Why do Hollywood Jews support Obama turning Americas back on Israel? I don't know, but I find it disgusting.

Perhaps because Obama didn't turn his back on Isreal but rather called them to task for some rather serious human rights violations that have been going on for a long time. Obama has a very good relationship with the Isreali government and Joe Biden is a close personal friend of Bibi N. Obama hasn't pandered to the Isreali position, but then unlike Romney, he also hasn't suggested just kickin that can down the road because it can't be solved.



Hispanics voted for Obama in spite of his immigration policies and the huge number of deportations which have gone on during his administration. Look at the numbers. The Republicans blew a real opportunity here because the Hispanic population was plenty pissed about the deportations.

Obama is deporting immigrants faster than Bush. Republicans don’t think that’s enough.

Of course, this being today's Republican Party, they blew this opportunity to embrace the Hispanic community by saying it wasn't enough.

Blacks have been programmed for generations to sit back and take. I was raised quite the opposite. My Old Man was constantly on my Brother and Sister (as well as me) to "expect nothing and accept nothing that you haven't worked for" I, as well as my Brother (RIP) and my Sister worked all our lives, graduated High School, served our country, came home and graduated from University.

But then again, My Old Man was one of those worthless republicans......

Except that inner city kids today have little chance of graduating high school. And if they do, the quality of the education they will have received is so substandard, they will basically be qualified to do nothing. Education is the gateway to opportunity so if you want to keep an entire socio-economic class from rising up, the first thing you do is fail to educate them, and then confine them to jobs which don't pay enough to keep a roof over their heads or feed their families.

Until the basic problems with education and opportunity are dealt with, there will be little chance for those currently in poverty, to rise above it. Investment in education would be the first step to helping this generation succeed, but other supports are needed, for now, like food stamps and Medicaid, just so these kids will have the same opportunities as you do, because after 30+ years of Republican policy, they don't have even close to the opportunities you did.

What a bunch of lib psycho-babble.
Latinos do not, repeat, do not vote on immigration issues.
Case and point. When Ronald Reagan was elected to his first term, he received 37% of the Latino vote. He got about the same percentage for his second term Reagan relaxed immigration essentially giving 3.5 million illegals immunity from deportation. Ironically, when Bush 41 was elected, now remember a republican made 3.5 million Latinos LEGAL, he only received 30% of the Latino vote.
Now look, to say inner city kids have "little chance" to graduate from High School is not only false, it is a racist insult. Everyone has an equal chance. One only has to apply themselves.
The problem is that black kids that try are hassled by other black kids. And that's a fact.
I find it disturbing that Obama is opposed to voucher programs by the way. He'd rather kowtow to teacher's unions than see black kids in Washington DC for example, be permitted to go to better public schools than the ones to which they are assigned.
Here's a dose of reality for you. A regular Liberal Arts high school education is not designed to prepare kids for life. It's to prepare them to go to college. The thing is maybe 2/3rds of all HS students are actually College material. Academics are not in the cards for the other third. And that number is a guess. It could be more. The point is, it is not a failure of the schools in general. The failure lies in the inability or unwillingness of school districts to identify kids who's best destiny is to learn a trade or other work skills. The other part of the problem is many parents view a move from academics to work skills as their kid being singled out or "special". And "special" in this case carries a stigma.
In any event, kids are products of their environment and the expectations placed upon them. In other words if those charged with the duty of education give kids the idea they will not be achievers, the kids pick up on that.
In conclusion, throwing money at these problems has been tried. That is a FAIL.
The breakdown of the family unit in the black community( 70% of all black babies are born out of wedlock) is THE problem. There is also a failure of the Churches in the community which in the past used to be the institution that tied the black community together.
No government handout. No additional taxation. No government program. No amount of do-gooder tongue wagging is going to correct this. It has to come from within. Within the community itself. Human beings when shown they can and should help themselves can accomplish anything they to which they set their mind.
I am fascinated how anyone can make the leap by equating food stamps and welfare to education. I do not see the connection.
And if you are suggesting that growing the size and scope of social safety nets until such time as some government bureaucrat figures out a way to make kids become interested in their own future is a whole bunch of hooey.
Making public assistance more available and more of it simply perpetuates the existing problem by making poverty even more comfortable.
No, we don't throw people out into the street. No we don't let them starve.
First thing is to seek out, find and purge from the rolls all of those who are gaming the social safety net system. Then for those really in need, create incentives for them to transition from recipient to one who earns.
We've done it your way for 70 years. We were promised the social safety nets would end all poverty. We were told make work programs and government employment would get people who can work, off the public assistance rolls. None of this has happened and today we STILL have politicians singing the same tune as you, demanding more from the taxpaying producing and working people. No more.
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
Please do not respond with the same old tired lib talking points containing" "easy for you to say" or some nonsense about growing up privileged..I am not listening to that garbage.

What a shame Plasmaball will never be able to create a great post like this. You read his drivel and read yours it's like a PHD talking to a preschooler.

Well DONE@!!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Except that inner city kids today have little chance of graduating high school. And if they do, the quality of the education they will have received is so substandard, they will basically be qualified to do nothing. Education is the gateway to opportunity so if you want to keep an entire socio-economic class from rising up, the first thing you do is fail to educate them, and then confine them to jobs which don't pay enough to keep a roof over their heads or feed their families.

Until the basic problems with education and opportunity are dealt with, there will be little chance for those currently in poverty, to rise above it. Investment in education would be the first step to helping this generation succeed, but other supports are needed, for now, like food stamps and Medicaid, just so these kids will have the same opportunities as you do, because after 30+ years of Republican policy, they don't have even close to the opportunities you did.

Why is it, that after years and years and years of increased public school funding, each and every year, liberals continue the song and dance about "investing in education" Every time Obama opens his mouth, it usually includes something to the effect of "we have to hire more teachers" and "we have to invest more in education"??? The man is a broken record and liberals parrot his every word.

The United States spends more, per student, than nearly every civilized nation on this earth and what have we to show or it? You speak of my "opportunities"?? I had the "opportunities" that I had because my parents - both Black, College graduates, REFUSED to allow me to do ANYTHING but succeed. Sometimes IN SPITE of ME and those wonderful public school teachers who, for the most part, couldn't have cared less.

I joined the Army and fought in Vietnam. As a result of that, The GI bill paid for me to get my College education. The only "opportunities" that the government gave me was a reward for killing the enemy. However, I took full advantage of it.

Again, until Blacks quit "making excuses" for each other and get off their butts and strive to get the hell AWAY from the Heroin that is the government, there will be no changes. Until Blacks tell liberals to take a long walk off a short pier, it will ALWAYS be the status quo.

You do realize you have the potential to be lumped in with individuals such as Dr Walter E Williams and Associate SC Justice Clarence Thomas as "another black person gone off the liberal reservation".
Conservative black people are vilified by self liberal "down with the cause" blacks and self hating white liberals.
Conservative blacks in my view must feel as though they are being "shot" at from every angle. It must be quite tiresome. Tiresome having to defend your ideology. Tiresome having to perhaps temper your comments in situations where family members, neighbor friends tend to be intolerant of conservative points of view.

 

[thereisnospoon]

wouldnt a tyrant not let this country go over a fiscal cliff and just ram something through by decree? Wouldnt he have done this you know 2 years ago instead of trying to work with the right?

Obama, the biggest limp-wristed, war monger, who is a tyrant, but can't do anything, but will come and take your guns, and toss you into a fema camp.

i love rightwing thinking.

Let me see if I can simplify for you why your posts hold no weight. You just lumped ALL Repuiblicans into the same category and that's good enough for you. What you are is lazy and uninformed.
What do you know about me that you can so easily summerize my life and my thinking? Do you know where I've been? Who I've met? Do you know where I went to school? What level of education I attained?? Do you know WHY I feel the way I do about any given subject? Hell, do you even know how old I am or even what sex I am??

You know nothing about me at all as a person. But it's TOO HARD to get to know things about people before you criticise, isn't it? You are too lazy to try to get to the bottom of any given problem because that would mean you had to THINK and use your intellect. It's just so much easier to lump us all into one group, believe we all think the same, feel the same, react the same because you are too lazy, too dumb and too clueless to listen to the thoughts of others. Probably because you've never had an original thought in your life.

You are the perfect example of what's wrong in this country. People like you don't relate to anybody but yourselves and you are too shiftless to even try and correct that fatal flaw.

No i was just lumping you with your post. I don't tend to lump all Rightwingers together, because that would be insulting to people i like.

i don't give a shit about your personal life. It is irrelevant to what post i responded to.

I relate to plenty of people, but again your little whine here is meaningless and mostly just a deflection.

I don't know maybe try this whine on someone else who gives a shit?

I don't tend to lump all Rightwingers together,....No you don't tend...You most definitely do with a resounding amount of consistency.

 

[CandySlice]

Hey Randall. Check out Plasmaball here. Bucking for a stomp-down-knuckles-to-the-ground DICK he comes off as an annoying little pee-pee.

 

[CandySlice]

Except that inner city kids today have little chance of graduating high school. And if they do, the quality of the education they will have received is so substandard, they will basically be qualified to do nothing. Education is the gateway to opportunity so if you want to keep an entire socio-economic class from rising up, the first thing you do is fail to educate them, and then confine them to jobs which don't pay enough to keep a roof over their heads or feed their families.

Until the basic problems with education and opportunity are dealt with, there will be little chance for those currently in poverty, to rise above it. Investment in education would be the first step to helping this generation succeed, but other supports are needed, for now, like food stamps and Medicaid, just so these kids will have the same opportunities as you do, because after 30+ years of Republican policy, they don't have even close to the opportunities you did.

Why is it, that after years and years and years of increased public school funding, each and every year, liberals continue the song and dance about "investing in education" Every time Obama opens his mouth, it usually includes something to the effect of "we have to hire more teachers" and "we have to invest more in education"??? The man is a broken record and liberals parrot his every word.

The United States spends more, per student, than nearly every civilized nation on this earth and what have we to show or it? You speak of my "opportunities"?? I had the "opportunities" that I had because my parents - both Black, College graduates, REFUSED to allow me to do ANYTHING but succeed. Sometimes IN SPITE of ME and those wonderful public school teachers who, for the most part, couldn't have cared less.

I joined the Army and fought in Vietnam. As a result of that, The GI bill paid for me to get my College education. The only "opportunities" that the government gave me was a reward for killing the enemy. However, I took full advantage of it.

Again, until Blacks quit "making excuses" for each other and get off their butts and strive to get the hell AWAY from the Heroin that is the government, there will be no changes. Until Blacks tell liberals to take a long walk off a short pier, it will ALWAYS be the status quo.

You do realize you have the potential to be lumped in with individuals such as Dr Walter E Williams and Associate SC Justice Clarence Thomas as "another black person gone off the liberal reservation".
Conservative black people are vilified by self liberal "down with the cause" blacks and self hating white liberals.
Conservative blacks in my view must feel as though they are being "shot" at from every angle. It must be quite tiresome. Tiresome having to defend your ideology. Tiresome having to perhaps temper your comments in situations where family members, neighbor friends tend to be intolerant of conservative points of view.

You go ON, Girl!!

 

[Kravmaga]

53% of Americans Think Republicans are Too Extreme

Only the ones that agree with the Republican Leadership. The others simply "voted white" because they hate having a president who is black.

Very intelligent...throw race into to the mix. Nothing to do about politics and points of view!

 

[uscitizen]

so 47% are republicans?

 

[Plasmaball]

Let me see if I can simplify for you why your posts hold no weight. You just lumped ALL Repuiblicans into the same category and that's good enough for you. What you are is lazy and uninformed.
What do you know about me that you can so easily summerize my life and my thinking? Do you know where I've been? Who I've met? Do you know where I went to school? What level of education I attained?? Do you know WHY I feel the way I do about any given subject? Hell, do you even know how old I am or even what sex I am??

You know nothing about me at all as a person. But it's TOO HARD to get to know things about people before you criticise, isn't it? You are too lazy to try to get to the bottom of any given problem because that would mean you had to THINK and use your intellect. It's just so much easier to lump us all into one group, believe we all think the same, feel the same, react the same because you are too lazy, too dumb and too clueless to listen to the thoughts of others. Probably because you've never had an original thought in your life.

You are the perfect example of what's wrong in this country. People like you don't relate to anybody but yourselves and you are too shiftless to even try and correct that fatal flaw.

No i was just lumping you with your post. I don't tend to lump all Rightwingers together, because that would be insulting to people i like.

i don't give a shit about your personal life. It is irrelevant to what post i responded to.

I relate to plenty of people, but again your little whine here is meaningless and mostly just a deflection.

I don't know maybe try this whine on someone else who gives a shit?

I don't tend to lump all Rightwingers together,....No you don't tend...You most definitely do with a resounding amount of consistency.

link it up!