7 day creation story doesnt seem possible

[Indeependent]

Some nice thoughts though I fail to see the Jesus connection.
Most of these thoughts would probably get you excommunicated.

The command of Jesus to eat my flesh, was a command to conform to kosher in the way that Moses originally taught that the law was to be understood and followed. A teaching that the words of the law were figurative, the subjects hidden, not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.

There is no other way to receive the eternal life promised for compliance with the law except by doing it correctly.

Uh huh.
All you need to do is clean up all the messed up references the NT has to the Torah.
The mistakes are embarrassing.

They are not mistakes, they are clues. In the same way that the children of Adam and Eve going to a city to find mates was a clue, not an embarrassing mistake..

Many inconsistencies and contradictions in both the OT and the NT are deliberate like an X on a treasure map marking the place where something of great value is buried and hidden.

Nah.

How many years have you been studying? You should demand your money back.

40 years in Hebrew.
I read the NT 6 times between 1996 and 1998...what a disaster.

 

[hobelim]

Let there be light is a reference to the law, a light to the nations, being spoken into existence. Before, the earth was without form and void and darkness, (superstition), covered the face of the deep, (the unknown).

This law teaches people to separate clean from unclean, good from evil, true from false life from death thereby establishing the firmament, basis, of heaven, a world above, separated from the world below whose firmament, basis, is lawlessness..The two worlds as different and reconcilable as the realm of the living and the realm of the dead..

In scripture plants or trees often represent people, as paradise is described as being full of trees whose fruit is pleasing to the eye and good to eat.

People are also compared to animals, highly evolved or not so much, according to similar displayed attributes. Swine are considered unclean because they do not ruminate, think deeply. Their flesh, teaching, contaminates the mind.

The creation of heaven and earth is not about the creation of the solar system. Its about the establishment of law and the creation of a new world order during a time when most people lived like wild beasts.

Kosher law instructs people to distinguish between the flesh, teaching, of one creature or another.

This teaching can be found encapsulated in the command of Jesus to eat his flesh....

Some nice thoughts though I fail to see the Jesus connection.
Most of these thoughts would probably get you excommunicated.

The command of Jesus to eat my flesh, was a command to conform to kosher in the way that Moses originally taught that the law was to be understood and followed. A teaching that the words of the law were figurative, the subjects hidden, not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.

There is no other way to receive the eternal life promised for compliance with the law except by doing it correctly.

Uh huh.
All you need to do is clean up all the messed up references the NT has to the Torah.
The mistakes are embarrassing.

They are not mistakes, they are clues. In the same way that the children of Adam and Eve going to a city to find mates was a clue, not an embarrassing mistake..

Many inconsistencies and contradictions in both the OT and the NT are deliberate like an X on a treasure map marking the place where something of great value is buried and hidden.

There are a plethora of inconsistencies and contradictions in the NT's references to the Torah.
If there are inconsistencies in the Torah, let me know.

If you have been studying the torah for forty years you have been wandering in a desert if you haven't stumbled on any inconsistencies from the very first story to the last.

 

[Indeependent]

Some nice thoughts though I fail to see the Jesus connection.
Most of these thoughts would probably get you excommunicated.

The command of Jesus to eat my flesh, was a command to conform to kosher in the way that Moses originally taught that the law was to be understood and followed. A teaching that the words of the law were figurative, the subjects hidden, not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.

There is no other way to receive the eternal life promised for compliance with the law except by doing it correctly.

Uh huh.
All you need to do is clean up all the messed up references the NT has to the Torah.
The mistakes are embarrassing.

They are not mistakes, they are clues. In the same way that the children of Adam and Eve going to a city to find mates was a clue, not an embarrassing mistake..

Many inconsistencies and contradictions in both the OT and the NT are deliberate like an X on a treasure map marking the place where something of great value is buried and hidden.

Nah.

How many years have you been studying? You should demand your money back.

You know squat compared to me but you have a good sense of allusion which is often spot on.

 

[Indeependent]

Some nice thoughts though I fail to see the Jesus connection.
Most of these thoughts would probably get you excommunicated.

The command of Jesus to eat my flesh, was a command to conform to kosher in the way that Moses originally taught that the law was to be understood and followed. A teaching that the words of the law were figurative, the subjects hidden, not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.

There is no other way to receive the eternal life promised for compliance with the law except by doing it correctly.

Uh huh.
All you need to do is clean up all the messed up references the NT has to the Torah.
The mistakes are embarrassing.

They are not mistakes, they are clues. In the same way that the children of Adam and Eve going to a city to find mates was a clue, not an embarrassing mistake..

Many inconsistencies and contradictions in both the OT and the NT are deliberate like an X on a treasure map marking the place where something of great value is buried and hidden.

There are a plethora of inconsistencies and contradictions in the NT's references to the Torah.
If there are inconsistencies in the Torah, let me know.

If you have been studying the torah for forty years you have been wandering in a desert if you haven't stumbled on any inconsistencies from the very first story to the last.

That's for you to prove.

 

[hobelim]

The command of Jesus to eat my flesh, was a command to conform to kosher in the way that Moses originally taught that the law was to be understood and followed. A teaching that the words of the law were figurative, the subjects hidden, not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.

There is no other way to receive the eternal life promised for compliance with the law except by doing it correctly.

Uh huh.
All you need to do is clean up all the messed up references the NT has to the Torah.
The mistakes are embarrassing.

They are not mistakes, they are clues. In the same way that the children of Adam and Eve going to a city to find mates was a clue, not an embarrassing mistake..

Many inconsistencies and contradictions in both the OT and the NT are deliberate like an X on a treasure map marking the place where something of great value is buried and hidden.

There are a plethora of inconsistencies and contradictions in the NT's references to the Torah.
If there are inconsistencies in the Torah, let me know.

If you have been studying the torah for forty years you have been wandering in a desert if you haven't stumbled on any inconsistencies from the very first story to the last.

That's for you to prove.

No, its for you to find out.

If some smart aleck does't show up for work, he doesn't get paid.

 

[onefour1]

How do you create earth after day and night? Day and night depends on rotation of the sphere. At that point, the Earth was still unformed.
How were plants created before the sun? Plants require the sun
How do you have lamps (sun and moon) giving their own light? The moon reflects light from the sun

Any explanations other than How much better and more satisfying it is to accept Scripture as it stands. It doesn't need to be fully understood and explained by modern scientific thought; it just needs to be believed and obeyed like found on ICR.com?

Let's take a look at the creation story from Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The earth is created before light is introduced which was divided into night and day.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The earth being without form and void does not mean that it was not created. It means that it had no land on its surface but was covered in water.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Light is introduced after the earth is created.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

God's division of light from darkness suggests that he caused the earth to rotate.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waterswhich were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry landappear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

God introduced light in verse 3. The plants could live in this light. This source of light was not the sun or moon. Those sources of light come on the 4th day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

[Indeependent]

Uh huh.
All you need to do is clean up all the messed up references the NT has to the Torah.
The mistakes are embarrassing.

They are not mistakes, they are clues. In the same way that the children of Adam and Eve going to a city to find mates was a clue, not an embarrassing mistake..

Many inconsistencies and contradictions in both the OT and the NT are deliberate like an X on a treasure map marking the place where something of great value is buried and hidden.

There are a plethora of inconsistencies and contradictions in the NT's references to the Torah.
If there are inconsistencies in the Torah, let me know.

If you have been studying the torah for forty years you have been wandering in a desert if you haven't stumbled on any inconsistencies from the very first story to the last.

That's for you to prove.

No, its for you to find out.

If some smart aleck does't show up for work, he doesn't get paid.

You got nothing because every Jesus freak leaps at every opportunity.
Unless he's up against someone who knows what they're talking about.
I can shut a Missionary down with one question...Do you speak Hebrew?
Complete shut down.
Happens face to face a few times a month.

 

[Windparadox]

`
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It's magic. God invented light two days before he invented a source of that light.

 

[Indeependent]

`
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It's magic. God invented light two days before he invented a source of that light.

Light consists of waves.
The light does not even have to be visible.
Infrared, ultraviolet.

 

[Windparadox]

Light consists of waves.The light does not even have to be visible.Infrared, ultraviolet.

`
No source. It just magically appeared. I don't believe the religious creation myths anyways.

 

[Taz]

How do you create earth after day and night? Day and night depends on rotation of the sphere. At that point, the Earth was still unformed.
How were plants created before the sun? Plants require the sun
How do you have lamps (sun and moon) giving their own light? The moon reflects light from the sun

Any explanations other than How much better and more satisfying it is to accept Scripture as it stands. It doesn't need to be fully understood and explained by modern scientific thought; it just needs to be believed and obeyed like found on ICR.com?

Let's take a look at the creation story from Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The earth is created before light is introduced which was divided into night and day.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The earth being without form and void does not mean that it was not created. It means that it had no land on its surface but was covered in water.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Light is introduced after the earth is created.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

God's division of light from darkness suggests that he caused the earth to rotate.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waterswhich were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry landappear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

God introduced light in verse 3. The plants could live in this light. This source of light was not the sun or moon. Those sources of light come on the 4th day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Now tell us the one about Goldylocks and the 3 bears. PLEEEEEEAAAAZZZZZEEEE!

 

[Indeependent]

Light consists of waves.The light does not even have to be visible.Infrared, ultraviolet.

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No source. It just magically appeared. I don't believe the religious creation myths anyways.

You don't believe in physics?

 

[Windparadox]

You don't believe in physics?

`
Non sequitur response.

 

[Indeependent]

You don't believe in physics?

`
Non sequitur response.

A grumpy atheist who didn't read his own post...how charming.
I suggest reviewing Genesis with a physicist.

 

[Windparadox]

A grumpy atheist who didn't read his own post...how charming.I suggest reviewing Genesis with a physicist.

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Why don't you do that for me. Have a book report on my desk in a week. In the meantime, contemplate the massive incest party Adam, Eve and their offspring had. Family fun.

 

[Indeependent]

A grumpy atheist who didn't read his own post...how charming.I suggest reviewing Genesis with a physicist.

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Why don't you do that for me. Have a book report on my desk in a week. In the meantime, contemplate the massive incest party Adam, Eve and their offspring had. Family fun.

Which has what to do with the laws of physics?
By the way, the ultimate incest was Adam having sex with the woman who was created out of his own body.
And when did incest become forbidden?
When God said so.

 

[Indeependent]

A grumpy atheist who didn't read his own post...how charming.I suggest reviewing Genesis with a physicist.

`
Why don't you do that for me. Have a book report on my desk in a week. In the meantime, contemplate the massive incest party Adam, Eve and their offspring had. Family fun.

I have a better idea...
You initiated an attack and then demanded the attacked define your attack.
You atheists are not nearly as clever as you believe yourselves to be.

 

[OldLady]

It's God, He can do anything he wants

/thread

That has always been my perspective.

God transcends the 3rd and 4th dimensions. Time to Him is irrelevant. I don't think he came down and explained all that, even as the OT says He talked to Moses.

I wasn't there.

I have faith He does make things happen, and that He has opposition which is less powerful.

Not sure how it all plays out but I just do my best to do good.

If I'm wrong in the end, no foul. If I was a democrook sociopath in the end....


well fuck...

Not sure how it all plays out but I just do my best to do good.
If I'm wrong in the end, no foul.
Yes.

 

[Windparadox]

I have a better idea...You initiated an attack and then demanded the attacked define your attack.You atheists are not nearly as clever as you believe yourselves to be.

`
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I have no idea what you are babbling about but I do believe in a "supreme divinity" which means I'm not an atheist Rosco. I just don't believe in your idea of god. To quote Mahatma Gandhi; I like your Christ, I don't like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.

 

[Indeependent]

I have a better idea...You initiated an attack and then demanded the attacked define your attack.You atheists are not nearly as clever as you believe yourselves to be.

`
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I have no idea what you are babbling about but I do believe in a "supreme divinity" which means I'm not an atheist Rosco. I just don't believe in your idea of god. To quote Mahatma Gandhi; I like your Christ, I don't like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.

I am not surprised that you have zero idea what I'm posting...you don't even understand what you're posting.