74 school shootings in 77 weeks...Worth it's own thread.

[Lonestar_logic]

If you want to remove guns from society feel free to repeal the second amendment.

How about a revision, sort of like we've done with drug laws? You don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water.

No need to change anything with the second amendment

We can require registration, licensing, background checks, assault weapons bans.....all within the legal bounds of the second amendment

All you mentioned are or have been done.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Wow, all of that hot air for a strawman. I clearly said gun death rate. Not violent crime. Try again.

I don't need to try again. It is a fact that countries calculate homicide rates differently. In the UK for example a death isn't ruled a homicide until there's a conviction.

I simply showed you two examples. But hey, stay stuck on stupid.

Says who? You?

Of course me. I've done my research. You should try to also.

 

[Brain357]

Pardoned because you didn't do it?

I was pardoned because of the circumstances surrounding my case. White took all the facts into account and thought I deserved a fresh new start.

Oh, so you did do it. Yeah, you shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, let alone sell them.

While I typically disagree with lonestar on everything, I believe the law says he can own and sell firearms. So I'm ok with that. It's good to see someone get a second chance and not get in trouble again for a crime.

 

[martybegan]

It is highly relevant as long as guns are the number one instrument of suicide as well as murder

Suicide is a completely different subject from murder.

A. Murder is illegal

B. Suicide isn't.

C. Guns do not cause either.

Guns account for two thirds of our murders and half of our suicides. Removing the weapon of choice has proved to work at reducing the numbers of both around the world

Actually most of them never had access to them in the first place.

Please show me a graph where gun deaths plummeted anywhere after stringent gun laws were implemented. And the one from Australia doesn't show that, so don't even bring that one out.

 

[martybegan]

If you want to remove guns from society feel free to repeal the second amendment.

How about a revision, sort of like we've done with drug laws? You don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water.

No need to change anything with the second amendment

We can require registration, licensing, background checks, assault weapons bans.....all within the legal bounds of the second amendment

Only if you find a judge that ignores the constitution.

 

[Meister]

74 school shootings in the past 77 weeks.

Not 74 chemical bombings, not 74 stabbings, not 74 bows and arrows, not 74 hatchet attacks. The common denominator (do I need to define that term for you?) is guns.

If you Ammo-sexuals want to keep, sleep with and insert your guns into your privates because I really think it's that sick, then figure out a way to stop this epidemic.

This data tells me that the parents of these kids are pretty much out of touch with their kids, so start with them.

Do something besides shoving the 2nd Amendment in my face and whining about your fucking rights. Your rights end when innocent people who cannot protect themselves die.

School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook | Everytown for Gun Safety - School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook

#
Date
City
State
School Name
School Type
1. 1/08/2013 Fort Myers FL Apostolic Revival Center Christian School K-12
2. 1/10/2013 Taft CA Taft Union High School K-12
3. 1/15/2013 St. Louis MO Stevens Institute of Business & Arts College/University
4. 1/15/2013 Hazard KY Hazard Community and Technical College College/University
5. 1/16/2013 Chicago IL Chicago State University College/University
6. 1/22/2013
Houston TX Lone Star College North Harris Campus College/University
7. 1/31/2013 Atlanta GA Price Middle School K-12
8. 2/1/2013 Atlanta GA Morehouse College College/University
9. 2/7/2013 Fort Pierce FL Indian River St. College College/University
10. 2/13/2013 San Leandro CA Hillside Elementary School K-12
11. 2/27/2013 Atlanta GA Henry W. Grady HS K-12
12. 3/18/2013 Orlando FL University of Central Florida College/University
13. 3/21/2013 Southgate MI Davidson Middle School K-12
14. 4/12/2013 Christianburg VA New River Community College College/University
15. 4/13/2013 Elizabeth City NC Elizabeth City State University College/University
16. 4/15/2013 Grambling LA Grambling State University College/University
17. 4/16/2013 Tuscaloosa AL Stillman College College/University
18. 4/29/2013 Cincinnati OH La Salle High School K-12
19. 6/7/2013 Santa Monica CA Santa Monica College College/University
20. 6/19/2013 W. Palm Beach FL Alexander W. Dreyfoos School of the Arts K-12
21. 8/15/2013 Clarksville TN Northwest High School K-12
22. 8/20/2013 Decatur GA Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy K-12
23. 8/22/2013 Memphis TN Westside Elementary School K-12
24. 8/23/2013 Sardis MS North Panola High School K-12
25. 8/30/2013 Winston-Salem NC Carver High School K-12
26. 9/21/2013 Savannah GA Savannah State University College/University
27. 9/28/2013 Gray ME New Gloucester High School K-12
28. 10/4/2013 Pine Hills FL Agape Christian Academy K-12
29. 10/15/2013 Austin TX Lanier High School K-12
30. 10/21/2013 Sparks NV Sparks Middle School K-12
31. 11/1/2013 Algona IA Algona High/Middle School K-12
32. 11/2/2013 Greensboro NC North Carolina A&T State University College/University
33. 11/3/2013 Stone Mountain GA Stephenson High School K-12
34. 11/21/2013 Rapid City SD South Dakota School of Mines & Technology College/University
35. 12/4/2013 Winter Garden FL West Orange High School K-12
36. 12/13/2013 Arapahoe County CO Arapahoe High School K-12
37. 12/19/2013 Fresno CA Edison High School K-12
38. 1/9/2014 Jackson TN Liberty Technology Magnet HS K-12
39. 1/14/2014 Roswell NM Berrendo Middle School K-12
40. 1/15/2014 Lancaster PA Martin Luther King Jr. ES K-12
41. 1/17/2014 Philadelphia PA Delaware Valley Charter HS K-12
42. 1/20/2014 Chester PA Widener University College/University
43. 1/21/2014 West Lafayette IN Purdue University College/University
44. 1/24/2014 Orangeburg SC South Carolina State University College/University
45. 1/28/2014 Nashville TN Tennessee State University College/University
46. 1/28/2014 Grambling LA Grambling State University College/University
47. 1/30/2014 Palm Bay FL Eastern Florida State College College/University
48. 1/31/2014 Phoenix AZ Cesar Chavez High School K-12
49. 1/31/2014 Des Moines IA North High School K-12
50. 2/7/2014 Bend OR Bend High School K-12
51. 2/10/2014 Salisbury NC Salisbury High School K-12
52. 2/11/2014 Lyndhurst OH Brush High School K-12
53. 2/12/2014 Jackson TN Union University College/University
54. 2/20/2014 Raytown MO Raytown Success Academy K-12
55. 3/2/2014 Westminster MD McDaniel College College/University
56. 3/7/2014 Tallulah LA Madison High School K-12
57. 3/8/2014 Oshkosh WI University of Wisconsin – Oshkosh College/University
58. 3/21/2014 Newark DE University of Delaware College/University
59. 3/30/2014 Savannah GA Savannah State University College/University
60. 4/3/2014 Kent OH Kent State University College/University
61. 4/7/2014 Roswell NM Eastern New Mexico University-Roswell College/University
62. 4/11/2014 Detroit MI East English Village Preparatory Academy K-12
63. 4/21/2014 Griffith IN St. Mary Catholic School K-12
64. 4/21/2014 Provo UT Provo High School K-12
65. 4/26/2014 Council Bluffs IA Iowa Western Community College College/University
66. 5/2/2014 Milwaukee WI Marquette University College/University
67. 5/3/2014 Everett WA Horizon Elementary School K-12
68. 5/4/2014 Augusta GA Paine College College/University
69. 5/5/2014 Augusta GA Paine College College/University
70. 5/8/2014 Georgetown KY Georgetown College College/University
71. 5/8/2014 Lawrenceville GA Georgia Gwinnett College College/University
72. 5/21/2014 Milwaukee WI Clark Street School K-12
73. 6/5/2014 Seattle WA Seattle Pacific University College/University
74. 6/10/2014 Troutdale OR Reynolds High School K-12

Let's make a law where guns aren't permitted on any school campus....oh wait.....

 

[Meister]

If you want to remove guns from society feel free to repeal the second amendment.

How about a revision, sort of like we've done with drug laws? You don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water.

No need to change anything with the second amendment

We can require registration, licensing, background checks, assault weapons bans.....all within the legal bounds of the second amendment

How would that have stopped the school shootings?


I keep asking, and the question just keeps getting ignored.

 

[Ernie S.]

It is highly relevant as long as guns are the number one instrument of suicide as well as murder

Suicide is a completely different subject from murder.

A. Murder is illegal

B. Suicide isn't.

C. Guns do not cause either.

Guns account for two thirds of our murders and half of our suicides. Removing the weapon of choice has proved to work at reducing the numbers of both around the world

Guns are inanimate objects that WILL fire a projectile ONLY when a person pulls the trigger.
Guns kill people no more than hammers cause houses.

 

[Ernie S.]

Guns account for two thirds of our murders and half of our suicides. Removing the weapon of choice has proved to work at reducing the numbers of both around the world

If you want to remove guns from society feel free to repeal the second amendment.

How about a revision, sort of like we've done with drug laws? You don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water.

There is a procedure in place for revising the Constitution. Have at it.

 

[Ernie S.]

And the Republican plan for stopping gun violence is "More guns!"

Great plan, Republicans.

Why not try raising the standard of living so that millions of Americans aren't so hopeless and desperate to the point that they commit crimes? Why not stop glorifying greed with a bunch of Ayn Rand bullshit so that our "culture" isn't so preoccupied with material possessions? As long as the American system is based on superficial consumerism and greed, people are going to continue to do whatever it takes to get themselves ahead, regardless of however many laws are passed.
W
As was stated, we need to change our culture. Republicans, however, are not the ones to do it.

The logical "plan" is to have less violent people on the street. Guns just sit there until someone picks them up.
Why not try raising kids that respect the rights and property of others? Why not try raising kids that consider education a priority? Why not raise kids to stay away from drugs?

You're damned straight we need to change our culture. Neither Republicans OR Democrats need to do it, however. PARENTS need to do it.

Lots of parents need to work multiple jobs now, makes parenting difficult. But that's what the right wants.

That's dead ass wrong! The LEFT wants poor people to coddle and fuss over. The right wants customers.

Parents need to work multiple jobs for several reasons. Perhaps they got involved in drugs at an early age and didn't finish high school. Perhaps they grew up in a culture where doing well in school is considered "acting white". Perhaps they did do well in high school and went on to college and got a degree in basket weaving or ethnic studies and aren't qualified for and real job outside of academia.
Look at your situation and ask what YOU can do to improve it. My situation is just fine, no thanks to you.

 

[boedicca]

Suicide is not a mass shooting Newton equivalent.

Their families mourn them just the same

Yes, but there is no suicide related public policy that is relevant to mass shootings at schools.

Someone intent on committing suicide will find a way. Pills, jumping off a bridge, asphyxiation...take away guns and there will still be suicides.

Using such unfortunate people as Poster Victims to promote Gun Seizures is disgusting exploitation.

 

[boedicca]

How about a revision, sort of like we've done with drug laws? You don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water.

No need to change anything with the second amendment

We can require registration, licensing, background checks, assault weapons bans.....all within the legal bounds of the second amendment

How would that have stopped the school shootings?


I keep asking, and the question just keeps getting ignored.

It won't stop attacks on schools by mentally disturbed narcissists.

 

[Luissa]

Number one thing we need to do is fix our mental health system, and make it easier to place someone on a psych old.
Regulating guns won't do anything on this issue.

 

[rightwinger]

Suicide is a completely different subject from murder.

A. Murder is illegal

B. Suicide isn't.

C. Guns do not cause either.

Guns account for two thirds of our murders and half of our suicides. Removing the weapon of choice has proved to work at reducing the numbers of both around the world

Guns are inanimate objects that WILL fire a projectile ONLY when a person pulls the trigger.
Guns kill people no more than hammers cause houses.

Guns don't kill people......People with guns kill people

 

[rightwinger]

Suicide is not a mass shooting Newton equivalent.

Their families mourn them just the same

Yes, but there is no suicide related public policy that is relevant to mass shootings at schools.

Someone intent on committing suicide will find a way. Pills, jumping off a bridge, asphyxiation...take away guns and there will still be suicides.

Using such unfortunate people as Poster Victims to promote Gun Seizures is disgusting exploitation.

Many of our mass shootings are suicides
If you are going to go out, you might as well take some people with you

There are other methods of suicide.....pills, poison, gas, slittiting your wrists
But they give you time to change your mind. Once you make the decision to pull the trigger, you have a split second to change your mind

 

[kwc57]

Guns account for two thirds of our murders and half of our suicides. Removing the weapon of choice has proved to work at reducing the numbers of both around the world

Guns are inanimate objects that WILL fire a projectile ONLY when a person pulls the trigger.
Guns kill people no more than hammers cause houses.

Guns don't kill people......People with guns kill people

People who want to kill people kill people. Where there's a will, they will find a way. A gun is simply one tool.

 

[Spoonman]

74 school shootings in the past 77 weeks.

Not 74 chemical bombings, not 74 stabbings, not 74 bows and arrows, not 74 hatchet attacks. The common denominator (do I need to define that term for you?) is guns.

If you Ammo-sexuals want to keep, sleep with and insert your guns into your privates because I really think it's that sick, then figure out a way to stop this epidemic.

This data tells me that the parents of these kids are pretty much out of touch with their kids, so start with them.

Do something besides shoving the 2nd Amendment in my face and whining about your fucking rights. Your rights end when innocent people who cannot protect themselves die.

School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook | Everytown for Gun Safety - School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook

#
Date
City
State
School Name
School Type
1. 1/08/2013 Fort Myers FL Apostolic Revival Center Christian School K-12
2. 1/10/2013 Taft CA Taft Union High School K-12
3. 1/15/2013 St. Louis MO Stevens Institute of Business & Arts College/University
4. 1/15/2013 Hazard KY Hazard Community and Technical College College/University
5. 1/16/2013 Chicago IL Chicago State University College/University
6. 1/22/2013
Houston TX Lone Star College North Harris Campus College/University
7. 1/31/2013 Atlanta GA Price Middle School K-12
8. 2/1/2013 Atlanta GA Morehouse College College/University
9. 2/7/2013 Fort Pierce FL Indian River St. College College/University
10. 2/13/2013 San Leandro CA Hillside Elementary School K-12
11. 2/27/2013 Atlanta GA Henry W. Grady HS K-12
12. 3/18/2013 Orlando FL University of Central Florida College/University
13. 3/21/2013 Southgate MI Davidson Middle School K-12
14. 4/12/2013 Christianburg VA New River Community College College/University
15. 4/13/2013 Elizabeth City NC Elizabeth City State University College/University
16. 4/15/2013 Grambling LA Grambling State University College/University
17. 4/16/2013 Tuscaloosa AL Stillman College College/University
18. 4/29/2013 Cincinnati OH La Salle High School K-12
19. 6/7/2013 Santa Monica CA Santa Monica College College/University
20. 6/19/2013 W. Palm Beach FL Alexander W. Dreyfoos School of the Arts K-12
21. 8/15/2013 Clarksville TN Northwest High School K-12
22. 8/20/2013 Decatur GA Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy K-12
23. 8/22/2013 Memphis TN Westside Elementary School K-12
24. 8/23/2013 Sardis MS North Panola High School K-12
25. 8/30/2013 Winston-Salem NC Carver High School K-12
26. 9/21/2013 Savannah GA Savannah State University College/University
27. 9/28/2013 Gray ME New Gloucester High School K-12
28. 10/4/2013 Pine Hills FL Agape Christian Academy K-12
29. 10/15/2013 Austin TX Lanier High School K-12
30. 10/21/2013 Sparks NV Sparks Middle School K-12
31. 11/1/2013 Algona IA Algona High/Middle School K-12
32. 11/2/2013 Greensboro NC North Carolina A&T State University College/University
33. 11/3/2013 Stone Mountain GA Stephenson High School K-12
34. 11/21/2013 Rapid City SD South Dakota School of Mines & Technology College/University
35. 12/4/2013 Winter Garden FL West Orange High School K-12
36. 12/13/2013 Arapahoe County CO Arapahoe High School K-12
37. 12/19/2013 Fresno CA Edison High School K-12
38. 1/9/2014 Jackson TN Liberty Technology Magnet HS K-12
39. 1/14/2014 Roswell NM Berrendo Middle School K-12
40. 1/15/2014 Lancaster PA Martin Luther King Jr. ES K-12
41. 1/17/2014 Philadelphia PA Delaware Valley Charter HS K-12
42. 1/20/2014 Chester PA Widener University College/University
43. 1/21/2014 West Lafayette IN Purdue University College/University
44. 1/24/2014 Orangeburg SC South Carolina State University College/University
45. 1/28/2014 Nashville TN Tennessee State University College/University
46. 1/28/2014 Grambling LA Grambling State University College/University
47. 1/30/2014 Palm Bay FL Eastern Florida State College College/University
48. 1/31/2014 Phoenix AZ Cesar Chavez High School K-12
49. 1/31/2014 Des Moines IA North High School K-12
50. 2/7/2014 Bend OR Bend High School K-12
51. 2/10/2014 Salisbury NC Salisbury High School K-12
52. 2/11/2014 Lyndhurst OH Brush High School K-12
53. 2/12/2014 Jackson TN Union University College/University
54. 2/20/2014 Raytown MO Raytown Success Academy K-12
55. 3/2/2014 Westminster MD McDaniel College College/University
56. 3/7/2014 Tallulah LA Madison High School K-12
57. 3/8/2014 Oshkosh WI University of Wisconsin – Oshkosh College/University
58. 3/21/2014 Newark DE University of Delaware College/University
59. 3/30/2014 Savannah GA Savannah State University College/University
60. 4/3/2014 Kent OH Kent State University College/University
61. 4/7/2014 Roswell NM Eastern New Mexico University-Roswell College/University
62. 4/11/2014 Detroit MI East English Village Preparatory Academy K-12
63. 4/21/2014 Griffith IN St. Mary Catholic School K-12
64. 4/21/2014 Provo UT Provo High School K-12
65. 4/26/2014 Council Bluffs IA Iowa Western Community College College/University
66. 5/2/2014 Milwaukee WI Marquette University College/University
67. 5/3/2014 Everett WA Horizon Elementary School K-12
68. 5/4/2014 Augusta GA Paine College College/University
69. 5/5/2014 Augusta GA Paine College College/University
70. 5/8/2014 Georgetown KY Georgetown College College/University
71. 5/8/2014 Lawrenceville GA Georgia Gwinnett College College/University
72. 5/21/2014 Milwaukee WI Clark Street School K-12
73. 6/5/2014 Seattle WA Seattle Pacific University College/University
74. 6/10/2014 Troutdale OR Reynolds High School K-12

There are roughly 140,000 schools in the US between K-12, private schools and postsecondary schools. Of the 99,000 public schools, there are 50,000,000 students. The typical days of instruction is around 180 to 1855 days per year.

Since Newtown, there have been 28 deaths in 44 schools.

Tragedy? Of course. I can't imagine sending my child to school and they don't return home that afternoon.

Epidemic? No.

You do the math with the above numbers and determine if school shootings are the "new norm".

The common denominators in each case is mentally ill people bent on hurting someone and lack of protection in gun free zones. The solution is kind of a no-brainer......and it isn't to outlaw guns.

Fast Facts

Fast Facts

Twenty-eight killed in 44 US school shootings since Newtown, study finds | World news | theguardian.com

https://www.google.com/search?q=pub...tartIndex=&startPage=1&safe=active&gws_rd=ssl

looks to me like schools are the problem. ban schools

 

[Ernie S.]

Guns account for two thirds of our murders and half of our suicides. Removing the weapon of choice has proved to work at reducing the numbers of both around the world

Guns are inanimate objects that WILL fire a projectile ONLY when a person pulls the trigger.
Guns kill people no more than hammers cause houses.

Guns don't kill people......People with guns kill people

Hammers don't build houses......People with hammers build houses.

Whatever Guns are an efficient tool; nothing more, nothing less. Guns are not on drugs. Guns don't come from single parent families. Guns don't drop out of school.

 

[boedicca]

Indeed. I'll also note that the cumulative body count of criminals and mentally disturbed people is FAR FAR FAR less than those of brutal totalitarian states which exterminate their own citizens for political reasons.

There's a reason why we have a 2nd Amendment.

 

[rightwinger]

Guns are inanimate objects that WILL fire a projectile ONLY when a person pulls the trigger.
Guns kill people no more than hammers cause houses.

Guns don't kill people......People with guns kill people

Hammers don't build houses......People with hammers build houses.

Whatever Guns are an efficient tool; nothing more, nothing less. Guns are not on drugs. Guns don't come from single parent families. Guns don't drop out of school.

Guns are an efficient killing tool

It is the weapon of choice for two in three murders