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Look guys, it has been proven beyond any doubt that the OP is pure BS. Curvelight either knows this is true or is more of a moron than even I think he/she/it is. So I am taking this thread off my list. There is nothing left here to accomplish. Besides he may be a decoy to keep us off other threads.
Another conspiracy....LOL
you are still nothing but a fucking idiothonestly, i havent been able to figure out where the person that said 42 hours came up with that number. i think it is at least close to being correct though. i know i repeated what someone else had said someplace else so i want to make it clear that i am not exactly sure where that number came from. there is no time stamp on the door data but there is latitude and longitude.
it is quite possible that the person matched the latitude and longitude with the known flight times of that airframe or something like that.
so the bottom line is that i have not been able to verify that it is indeed 42 hours but someone has made the claim. i have verified that there are many flights worth of data, mostly between chicago and los angeles, and many times the plane was parked for a considerable amount of time and not once was the flt deck door recorded as open.
i also verified that ALL the recorded data latitude and longitude are off by about a hundred yards.(all in the same direction so it is consistent) i dont have any explanation for this but am looking into it.
This is yet another perfect example! You guys are giving a gold mine here! Divecon is so sure you were correct he didn't verify the info and demanded me to explain something that simply....does not exist. Lol
If you had done any of your own fucking work you guys wouldn't constantly be in backpedal mode. Solid state fdr's are on a loop from 17-25 hrs. Guess what kind of fdr was on 77? So basically the claim of 42 hours was pure bullshit. I'm a fucking moron....what would you guys do if someone half intelligent was challenging your claims?
and that has been proven
so fuck off asswipe
Who said the aircraft number isn't the same and in what post? Thanks.
oh jesus.....
where do you see me say that someone already said it?
Does anyone see this as anything other than Fizz claiming the FDR that was manufactured in 1997 did not have a port therefore flt 77 would always show the door closed? That's why eots responded by showing the fdr had already been updated. If you knew it was capable of monitoring the door why even bring up the claim it had no port so always showed the door closed?
You clearly fucked up by pointing to the year it was manufactured as evidence. If it was simply a software issue the manufactured date wouldve been irrelevant. Really, stop embarrassing yourself by trying to keep denying what you clearly claimed.
you are embarrassing yourself. try plugging the FDR into a model T ford and see if the drivers door was open. you think that will work? you think the model T has a timeslot available for the multiplexer to access?
do you think the FDR made in 1997 might have a few extra capabilities that are not able to be used on a plane that was made in 1991?
you are a complete ass.
If you had done any of your own fucking work you guys wouldn't constantly be in backpedal mode. Solid state fdr's are on a loop from 17-25 hrs. Guess what kind of fdr was on 77? So basically the claim of 42 hours was pure bullshit.
do you wish to stand by this statement or would you like to backpedal now before i make a complete ass out of you?
its too late, he has already made an ass out of himselfIf you had done any of your own fucking work you guys wouldn't constantly be in backpedal mode. Solid state fdr's are on a loop from 17-25 hrs. Guess what kind of fdr was on 77? So basically the claim of 42 hours was pure bullshit.
do you wish to stand by this statement or would you like to backpedal now before i make a complete ass out of you?
Look guys, it has been proven beyond any doubt that the OP is pure BS. Curvelight either knows this is true or is more of a moron than even I think he/she/it is. So I am taking this thread off my list. There is nothing left here to accomplish. Besides he may be a decoy to keep us off other threads.
Another conspiracy....LOL
Look guys, it has been proven beyond any doubt that the OP is pure BS. Curvelight either knows this is true or is more of a moron than even I think he/she/it is. So I am taking this thread off my list. There is nothing left here to accomplish. Besides he may be a decoy to keep us off other threads.
Another conspiracy....LOL
If the great and magnificent GI Joe says it has been proven to be false then it must be true! Lol. What was that I just said about how you use your own bullshit to back each other regardless of the info?
I keep asking.... If the door was never opened who flew the plane into the Building?
If you are going to claim the plane never flew into the building then you have a LOT more to explain.
Like why did Radar have it descend and disappear from tracking? Where did the plane and passengers go? How did the black boxes and DNA evidence get to the Pentagon?
If the plane flew off how come NO ONE saw that big ass aircraft flying over the city below radar and off into the sunset? And WHO flew it off that way to begin with?
Why do we have over 100 witnesses that saw the plane headed for the pentagon? BUT not one to say it flew off? Why would the commercial pilots agree to fly the plane in such a manner? And what happened to them?
Why do we have a member of the US Government Cabinet stating his wife, whom was on the plane, called him and told him what was happening? Where did his wife go? Where are all the other passengers? The Crew? The plane?
And better yet, since Terrel and others insist the plane never hit the Pentagon, where did the black boxes come from? The very fact the black boxes were in the wreckage of the building destroys any attempt to claim no plane hit the building.
BUT back to the door? If it was never opened WHAT the hell happened to the aircraft, the crew and the passengers?
Still waiting for actual proof any such data actually exists as well.
I keep asking.... If the door was never opened who flew the plane into the Building?
If you are going to claim the plane never flew into the building then you have a LOT more to explain.
Like why did Radar have it descend and disappear from tracking? Where did the plane and passengers go? How did the black boxes and DNA evidence get to the Pentagon?
If the plane flew off how come NO ONE saw that big ass aircraft flying over the city below radar and off into the sunset? And WHO flew it off that way to begin with?
Why do we have over 100 witnesses that saw the plane headed for the pentagon? BUT not one to say it flew off? Why would the commercial pilots agree to fly the plane in such a manner? And what happened to them?
Why do we have a member of the US Government Cabinet stating his wife, whom was on the plane, called him and told him what was happening? Where did his wife go? Where are all the other passengers? The Crew? The plane?
And better yet, since Terrel and others insist the plane never hit the Pentagon, where did the black boxes come from? The very fact the black boxes were in the wreckage of the building destroys any attempt to claim no plane hit the building.
BUT back to the door? If it was never opened WHAT the hell happened to the aircraft, the crew and the passengers?
Still waiting for actual proof any such data actually exists as well.
This is a great example. One of the items mentioned is the alleged phone calls between Barbara and Ted Olson. That is the "cabinet member" being referenced. Yet again proof that most OCTAs are ignorant of basic facts about that day.
"The most serious official contradiction of Ted Olsons story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights.*In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an unconnected call, which (of course) lasted 0 seconds.9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone."
Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials
Yet again another OCTA demands an explanation for something that does not exist. This is what......the fourth time in the last few pages of this thread alone? You people should really do some homework if you are going to support the Bush Admin.
Look guys, it has been proven beyond any doubt that the OP is pure BS. Curvelight either knows this is true or is more of a moron than even I think he/she/it is. So I am taking this thread off my list. There is nothing left here to accomplish. Besides he may be a decoy to keep us off other threads.
Another conspiracy....LOL
If the great and magnificent GI Joe says it has been proven to be false then it must be true! Lol. What was that I just said about how you use your own bullshit to back each other regardless of the info?
You have spent this entire thread ignoring my questions. Why is that?
I keep asking.... If the door was never opened who flew the plane into the Building?
If you are going to claim the plane never flew into the building then you have a LOT more to explain.
Like why did Radar have it descend and disappear from tracking? Where did the plane and passengers go? How did the black boxes and DNA evidence get to the Pentagon?
If the plane flew off how come NO ONE saw that big ass aircraft flying over the city below radar and off into the sunset? And WHO flew it off that way to begin with?
Why do we have over 100 witnesses that saw the plane headed for the pentagon? BUT not one to say it flew off? Why would the commercial pilots agree to fly the plane in such a manner? And what happened to them?
Why do we have a member of the US Government Cabinet stating his wife, whom was on the plane, called him and told him what was happening? Where did his wife go? Where are all the other passengers? The Crew? The plane?
And better yet, since Terrel and others insist the plane never hit the Pentagon, where did the black boxes come from? The very fact the black boxes were in the wreckage of the building destroys any attempt to claim no plane hit the building.
BUT back to the door? If it was never opened WHAT the hell happened to the aircraft, the crew and the passengers?
Still waiting for actual proof any such data actually exists as well.
This is a great example. One of the items mentioned is the alleged phone calls between Barbara and Ted Olson. That is the "cabinet member" being referenced. Yet again proof that most OCTAs are ignorant of basic facts about that day.
"The most serious official contradiction of Ted Olsons story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights.*In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an unconnected call, which (of course) lasted 0 seconds.9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone."
Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials
Yet again another OCTA demands an explanation for something that does not exist. This is what......the fourth time in the last few pages of this thread alone? You people should really do some homework if you are going to support the Bush Admin.
Sure thing, you want us to believe he lied? Did all the other people that got phone calls from other flights lie too? I mean aren't you one of those that INSISTS Flight 93 never crashed in Pennsylvania? Yet we have the phone calls to prove it.
And I note with glee you AVOID answering any of my questions. WHERE THE FUCK did the planes go? WHERE THE HELL did the crew and Passengers go? HOW IN FUCK did the black boxes get to the crash sites in time to be found by search crews if the planes NEVER crashed?
YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT is that the plane never hit the Pentagon. THEN WHERE IS IT? HOW DID IT GET OUT OF THE CITY? The entire premise of this thread is that the door was never opened to the cockpit, which means the commercial pilots had to have done what ever happened to the aircraft. WHY WOULD THEY?
Our Government can not keep secret when the President takes a shit yet you want us to believe that the US Government planned and executed 9/11 and after 8 YEARS not one person has come forward to cooberate the claim.
I keep asking.... If the door was never opened who flew the plane into the Building?
If you are going to claim the plane never flew into the building then you have a LOT more to explain.
Like why did Radar have it descend and disappear from tracking? Where did the plane and passengers go? How did the black boxes and DNA evidence get to the Pentagon?
If the plane flew off how come NO ONE saw that big ass aircraft flying over the city below radar and off into the sunset? And WHO flew it off that way to begin with?
Why do we have over 100 witnesses that saw the plane headed for the pentagon? BUT not one to say it flew off? Why would the commercial pilots agree to fly the plane in such a manner? And what happened to them?
Why do we have a member of the US Government Cabinet stating his wife, whom was on the plane, called him and told him what was happening? Where did his wife go? Where are all the other passengers? The Crew? The plane?
And better yet, since Terrel and others insist the plane never hit the Pentagon, where did the black boxes come from? The very fact the black boxes were in the wreckage of the building destroys any attempt to claim no plane hit the building.
BUT back to the door? If it was never opened WHAT the hell happened to the aircraft, the crew and the passengers?
Still waiting for actual proof any such data actually exists as well.
This is a great example. One of the items mentioned is the alleged phone calls between Barbara and Ted Olson. That is the "cabinet member" being referenced. Yet again proof that most OCTAs are ignorant of basic facts about that day.
"The most serious official contradiction of Ted Olson’s story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights.*In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an “unconnected call,” which (of course) lasted “0 seconds.”9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone."
Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials
Yet again another OCTA demands an explanation for something that does not exist. This is what......the fourth time in the last few pages of this thread alone? You people should really do some homework if you are going to support the Bush Admin.
Sure thing, you want us to believe he lied? Did all the other people that got phone calls from other flights lie too? I mean aren't you one of those that INSISTS Flight 93 never crashed in Pennsylvania? Yet we have the phone calls to prove it.
And I note with glee you AVOID answering any of my questions. WHERE THE FUCK did the planes go? WHERE THE HELL did the crew and Passengers go? HOW IN FUCK did the black boxes get to the crash sites in time to be found by search crews if the planes NEVER crashed?
YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT is that the plane never hit the Pentagon. THEN WHERE IS IT? HOW DID IT GET OUT OF THE CITY? The entire premise of this thread is that the door was never opened to the cockpit, which means the commercial pilots had to have done what ever happened to the aircraft. WHY WOULD THEY?
Our Government can not keep secret when the President takes a shit yet you want us to believe that the US Government planned and executed 9/11 and after 8 YEARS not one person has come forward to cooberate the claim.
I keep asking.... If the door was never opened who flew the plane into the Building?
If you are going to claim the plane never flew into the building then you have a LOT more to explain.
Like why did Radar have it descend and disappear from tracking? Where did the plane and passengers go? How did the black boxes and DNA evidence get to the Pentagon?
If the plane flew off how come NO ONE saw that big ass aircraft flying over the city below radar and off into the sunset? And WHO flew it off that way to begin with?
Why do we have over 100 witnesses that saw the plane headed for the pentagon? BUT not one to say it flew off? Why would the commercial pilots agree to fly the plane in such a manner? And what happened to them?
Why do we have a member of the US Government Cabinet stating his wife, whom was on the plane, called him and told him what was happening? Where did his wife go? Where are all the other passengers? The Crew? The plane?
And better yet, since Terrel and others insist the plane never hit the Pentagon, where did the black boxes come from? The very fact the black boxes were in the wreckage of the building destroys any attempt to claim no plane hit the building.
BUT back to the door? If it was never opened WHAT the hell happened to the aircraft, the crew and the passengers?
Still waiting for actual proof any such data actually exists as well.
This is a great example. One of the items mentioned is the alleged phone calls between Barbara and Ted Olson. That is the "cabinet member" being referenced. Yet again proof that most OCTAs are ignorant of basic facts about that day.
"The most serious official contradiction of Ted Olson’s story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights.*In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an “unconnected call,” which (of course) lasted “0 seconds.”9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone."
Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials
Yet again another OCTA demands an explanation for something that does not exist. This is what......the fourth time in the last few pages of this thread alone? You people should really do some homework if you are going to support the Bush Admin.
Sure thing, you want us to believe he lied? Did all the other people that got phone calls from other flights lie too? I mean aren't you one of those that INSISTS Flight 93 never crashed in Pennsylvania? Yet we have the phone calls to prove it.
And I note with glee you AVOID answering any of my questions. WHERE THE FUCK did the planes go? WHERE THE HELL did the crew and Passengers go? HOW IN FUCK did the black boxes get to the crash sites in time to be found by search crews if the planes NEVER crashed?
YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT is that the plane never hit the Pentagon. THEN WHERE IS IT? HOW DID IT GET OUT OF THE CITY? The entire premise of this thread is that the door was never opened to the cockpit, which means the commercial pilots had to have done what ever happened to the aircraft. WHY WOULD THEY?
Our Government can not keep secret when the President takes a shit yet you want us to believe that the US Government planned and executed 9/11 and after 8 YEARS not one person has come forward to cooberate the claim.
This is a great example. One of the items mentioned is the alleged phone calls between Barbara and Ted Olson. That is the "cabinet member" being referenced. Yet again proof that most OCTAs are ignorant of basic facts about that day.
"The most serious official contradiction of Ted Olsons story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights.*In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an unconnected call, which (of course) lasted 0 seconds.9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone."
Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials
Yet again another OCTA demands an explanation for something that does not exist. This is what......the fourth time in the last few pages of this thread alone? You people should really do some homework if you are going to support the Bush Admin.
Sure thing, you want us to believe he lied? Did all the other people that got phone calls from other flights lie too? I mean aren't you one of those that INSISTS Flight 93 never crashed in Pennsylvania? Yet we have the phone calls to prove it.
And I note with glee you AVOID answering any of my questions. WHERE THE FUCK did the planes go? WHERE THE HELL did the crew and Passengers go? HOW IN FUCK did the black boxes get to the crash sites in time to be found by search crews if the planes NEVER crashed?
YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT is that the plane never hit the Pentagon. THEN WHERE IS IT? HOW DID IT GET OUT OF THE CITY? The entire premise of this thread is that the door was never opened to the cockpit, which means the commercial pilots had to have done what ever happened to the aircraft. WHY WOULD THEY?
Our Government can not keep secret when the President takes a shit yet you want us to believe that the US Government planned and executed 9/11 and after 8 YEARS not one person has come forward to cooberate the claim.
I got bored and read the rest of the post. It was what I suspected....more bullshit. I never claimed 77 didn't hit the pentagon and I never claimed 9E was a False Flag Op from top down. So you demand that I support claims I have not made? Holy shit you guys are on a record breaker here.
Also typical is you want people to prove things that are not necessary to show the OCT is not 100% accurate. If 77 didn't hit the pentagon nobody needs to show where that flight went to show the OCT is not fully true. How can you not grasp this simple logic? Let's put this logic in a courtroom scenario:
You are the prosecutor and you are claiming the murder defendant is guilty because there is a murder victim. The defense shows your prosecution case is lacking evidence so your response is to say "so what?" You would then turn to the jury and say "If the defendant cannot conclusively prove who did the murder then the defendant is guilty." Do you see how absurd that is? You cannot prove the OCT is true by pointing to negatives as positive evidence.
Basically this is the pattern of OCTAs
and how often they engage in the fallacy of the false dilemma.
you havent proven ANYONE wrong but yourself fucktardyou are still nothing but a fucking idiotThis is yet another perfect example! You guys are giving a gold mine here! Divecon is so sure you were correct he didn't verify the info and demanded me to explain something that simply....does not exist. Lol
If you had done any of your own fucking work you guys wouldn't constantly be in backpedal mode. Solid state fdr's are on a loop from 17-25 hrs. Guess what kind of fdr was on 77? So basically the claim of 42 hours was pure bullshit. I'm a fucking moron....what would you guys do if someone half intelligent was challenging your claims?
and that has been proven
so fuck off asswipe
Hahahahahahaha.......so when you are proven wrong about another claim you still do nothing but call people names.
see, this is the thing, he wants 100% accuracySure thing, you want us to believe he lied? Did all the other people that got phone calls from other flights lie too? I mean aren't you one of those that INSISTS Flight 93 never crashed in Pennsylvania? Yet we have the phone calls to prove it.
And I note with glee you AVOID answering any of my questions. WHERE THE FUCK did the planes go? WHERE THE HELL did the crew and Passengers go? HOW IN FUCK did the black boxes get to the crash sites in time to be found by search crews if the planes NEVER crashed?
YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT is that the plane never hit the Pentagon. THEN WHERE IS IT? HOW DID IT GET OUT OF THE CITY? The entire premise of this thread is that the door was never opened to the cockpit, which means the commercial pilots had to have done what ever happened to the aircraft. WHY WOULD THEY?
Our Government can not keep secret when the President takes a shit yet you want us to believe that the US Government planned and executed 9/11 and after 8 YEARS not one person has come forward to cooberate the claim.
I got bored and read the rest of the post. It was what I suspected....more bullshit. I never claimed 77 didn't hit the pentagon and I never claimed 9E was a False Flag Op from top down. So you demand that I support claims I have not made? Holy shit you guys are on a record breaker here.
Also typical is you want people to prove things that are not necessary to show the OCT is not 100% accurate. If 77 didn't hit the pentagon nobody needs to show where that flight went to show the OCT is not fully true. How can you not grasp this simple logic? Let's put this logic in a courtroom scenario:
You are the prosecutor and you are claiming the murder defendant is guilty because there is a murder victim. The defense shows your prosecution case is lacking evidence so your response is to say "so what?" You would then turn to the jury and say "If the defendant cannot conclusively prove who did the murder then the defendant is guilty." Do you see how absurd that is? You cannot prove the OCT is true by pointing to negatives as positive evidence.
Basically this is the pattern of OCTAs
and how often they engage in the fallacy of the false dilemma.
You have that reversed. We have eyewitness and even films of planes flying into buildings AND nutjobs that confessed to their part in it, as well as a big nutjob that took credit for planning the whole thing. That is evidence.
The 'troofer' movement keeps pointing to little things that they see as not making sense and then turns it around to say it must be a government conspiracy. That IS the fallacy of false dilemma. You got it backwards......
see, this is the thing, he wants 100% accuracyI got bored and read the rest of the post. It was what I suspected....more bullshit. I never claimed 77 didn't hit the pentagon and I never claimed 9E was a False Flag Op from top down. So you demand that I support claims I have not made? Holy shit you guys are on a record breaker here.
Also typical is you want people to prove things that are not necessary to show the OCT is not 100% accurate. If 77 didn't hit the pentagon nobody needs to show where that flight went to show the OCT is not fully true. How can you not grasp this simple logic? Let's put this logic in a courtroom scenario:
You are the prosecutor and you are claiming the murder defendant is guilty because there is a murder victim. The defense shows your prosecution case is lacking evidence so your response is to say "so what?" You would then turn to the jury and say "If the defendant cannot conclusively prove who did the murder then the defendant is guilty." Do you see how absurd that is? You cannot prove the OCT is true by pointing to negatives as positive evidence.
Basically this is the pattern of OCTAs
and how often they engage in the fallacy of the false dilemma.
You have that reversed. We have eyewitness and even films of planes flying into buildings AND nutjobs that confessed to their part in it, as well as a big nutjob that took credit for planning the whole thing. That is evidence.
The 'troofer' movement keeps pointing to little things that they see as not making sense and then turns it around to say it must be a government conspiracy. That IS the fallacy of false dilemma. You got it backwards......
so if he finds one tiny minute thing that looks green instead of blue, he wants a new investigation to correct that
then he finds another spot where they didnt dot the i or cross the t andf its a conspiracy
