97% of climatologists believe in man-made global warming

[Red Dawn]

Yes, that called science, and anyone who went to college and took a statistics class, or has any college level background in math or science understands the concept of probability and representative sampling.

I did a quick calculation, and New York City uses over a billion gallons of water a day. And you know what they do when they want to test the water quality for public safety? They take 100 milliliter samples of the city water. If my arithmetic is correct, that's a sample size of about 0.0000001 of the city's water. And its considered standard garden vareity science that produces good results. Let me ask you, when the doctor wants to give you a blood test, do you demand that he take all 20 liters of your blood just "to be certain"? Or do they draw a small 10 milliliter sample which is considered, in terms of statistical probablity, to be a representative sample of your blood chemistry?

that's great, but how does that correlate with extrapolating not just quality now, but quality over the course of 4.5 billion years?
good effort though
well, not really.

Here's how science works:

In terms of probabalistic theory and statistical validity, science compares apples to apples. Not apples to oranges.

The earth was entirely different 2 billion years ago. The continents weren't even in the same place, the land masses were aggregated into a super continent, and as a result ocean currents, atmospheric currents, and volcanic activity was radically different than it has been in the recent geologic era. The entire biosphere was different two billion years ago, and as a consequence the biologic equilibrium and partitioning of atmospheric and hydrologic CO2 would be nothing like it has been in recent geologic times. Trying to equate the natural variablity of climate in the ancient Cambrian era to the natural variability in the more modern Pliestocne era has some uses, but its largely comparing apples to oranges.

Today's climate is a function, in part, of the recent geologic, hydrologic, and biosphere framework of the earth. It is variation in the climate of the Modern and Pleistocene geolgoic era that informs us of what the natural variation of climate should be within the era that modern humans and the rest of the modern biosphere have existed for the last million years. The natural variation in the climate of the Cambrian era is scientifically interesting, but has relatively little bearing on what we should expect of natural climate variability in recent geologic times.

 

[jreeves]

I don't doubt that some scientist say that there is a connection between man made CO2 and temperature change....

But climate records don't show a correlation...

Crap. Do you ever read even kindergarten level science?

The Rise of CO2 & Warming

There are various things in our enviroment that emitt CO2. Your link proves nothing. Why is ice cover the same in the Artic as it was 20 something years ago, when it was first measured?

 

[Chris]

I don't doubt that some scientist say that there is a connection between man made CO2 and temperature change....

But climate records don't show a correlation...

Crap. Do you ever read even kindergarten level science?

The Rise of CO2 & Warming

There are various things in our enviroment that emitt CO2. Your link proves nothing. Why is ice cover the same in the Artic as it was 20 something years ago, when it was first measured?

It's not.

Average Arctic sea ice extent for the month of December was 12.53 million square kilometers (4.84 million square miles). This was 140,000 square kilometers (54,000 square miles) greater than for December 2007 and 830,000 square kilometers (320,000 square miles) less than the 1979 to 2000 December average.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

 

[jreeves]

Dave, once again your profound ignorance on this matter is showing. Man puts more than 130 times as much CO2 in the atmosphere as do vocanos, USGS figures.Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.

Volcanic Gases and Their Effects


Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

How come liberals on this thread are making statements that are backed up by USGS, NASA, IPCC, and other respected and qualified scientific bodies with expertise on climate science....

....while Bush supporters are throwing out unsubstantiated claims like "the earth is cooling, and 1998 was the hottest year ever!". Claims which turn out to be false, but which are never retracted?

The Earth has shown an under-reported cooling trend for eight straight years, raising serious questions about the accuracy of the UN’s climate projections, since not one of the computer models on which it relies had predicted so long and steep a cooling, says a new review paper -- Temperature Change and CO2 Change – A Scientific Briefing --from the Science and Public Policy Institute, a Washington, D.C. think tank.The paper posits that “The chief reason for scepticism at the official position on “global warming” is the overwhelming weight of evidence that the UN’s climate panel, the IPCC, prodigiously exaggerates both the supposed causes and the imagined consequences of anthropogenic “global warming”; that too many of the exaggerations can be demonstrated to have been deliberate; and that the IPCC and other official sources have continued to rely even upon those exaggerations that have been definitively demonstrated in the literature to have been deliberate.

“In short,” writes Monckton, “science is being artfully manipulated to the point of what are in essence political and not scientific conclusions – a conclusion that is congenial to powerful factions whose ambition is not to identify scientific truth but rather to advance the special vested interests with which they identify themselves.

The paper demonstrates that if CO2 concentration continues to rise more slowly than the IPCC had predicted, and if climate sensitivity to CO2 concentration is in any event well below the IPCC’s projected range, the likelihood of any “global warming” >2 °C/century to 2100 is vanishingly small.

Monckton also demonstrates that official sources have:
• relied upon questionable and occasionally downright dishonest methods to inflate the observed rate of temperature increase
• created the false impression that the rate of increase is itself rising when an identical argument can be used to demonstrate that it is falling
• diminished earlier and warmer temperatures in this century
• abolished the mediaeval warm period
• diverted attention away from the fact that throughout almost all of the Holocene, and throughout all four previous interglacial periods, surface temperatures were considerably warmer than they are today.

Says SPPI president, Robert Ferguson, “When the climate science is wrong, the policies are wrong, and then both people and the environment are harmed. It is past time that the media and elected officials stop treating “man-made global warming” as a religion and started asking some serious and pointed questions. This paper lays the ground work for that.”
Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Global Cooling Under-reported, Says SPPI




“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever. “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical. “The main basis of the claim that man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet

“So far, real measurements give no ground for concern about a catastrophic future warming.” - Scientist Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, a chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, author of 200 scientific publications and former Greenpeace member.

“Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.” - Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior advisor to the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo. Brekke has published more than 40 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the sun and solar interaction with the Earth.

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“The Kyoto theorists have put the cart before the horse. It is global warming that triggers higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way round…A large number of critical documents submitted at the 1995 U.N. conference in Madrid vanished without a trace. As a result, the discussion was one-sided and heavily biased, and the U.N. declared global warming to be a scientific fact,” Andrei Kapitsa, a Russian geographer and Antarctic ice core researcher.

“Nature's regulatory instrument is water vapor: more carbon dioxide leads to less moisture in the air, keeping the overall GHG content in accord with the necessary balance conditions.” – Prominent Hungarian Physicist and environmental researcher Dr. Miklós Zágoni reversed his view of man-made warming and is now a skeptic. Zágoni was once Hungary’s most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil... I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science.” - South Afican Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.

“All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead” - Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, served as staff physicist at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“Whatever the weather, it's not being caused by global warming. If anything, the climate may be starting into a cooling period.” Atmospheric scientist Dr. Art V. Douglas, former Chair of the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, and is the author of numerous papers for peer-reviewed publications.

“But there is no falsifiable scientific basis whatever to assert this warming is caused by human-produced greenhouse gasses because current physical theory is too grossly inadequate to establish any cause at all.” - Chemist Dr. Patrick Frank, who has authored more than 50 peer-reviewed articles.

“The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the Society's activities.” - Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt who flew on the Apollo 17 mission and formerly of the Norwegian Geological Survey and for the U.S. Geological Survey.

“Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC….The global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the millennium…which is why ‘global warming’ is now called ‘climate change.’” - Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado.

“I have yet to see credible proof of carbon dioxide driving climate change, yet alone man-made CO2 driving it. The atmospheric hot-spot is missing and the ice core data refute this. When will we collectively awake from this deceptive delusion?” - Dr. G LeBlanc Smith, a retired Principal Research Scientist with Australia’s Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO).

Global Warming Hoax: News / Comments / More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims


Yep, Nobel winners and scientist around the world are all wrong. Just admit it, there is no proof that man made global warming exists.

 

[jreeves]

Crap. Do you ever read even kindergarten level science?

The Rise of CO2 & Warming

There are various things in our enviroment that emitt CO2. Your link proves nothing. Why is ice cover the same in the Artic as it was 20 something years ago, when it was first measured?

It's not.

Average Arctic sea ice extent for the month of December was 12.53 million square kilometers (4.84 million square miles). This was 140,000 square kilometers (54,000 square miles) greater than for December 2007 and 830,000 square kilometers (320,000 square miles) less than the 1979 to 2000 December average.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Rapid growth spurt leaves amount of ice at levels seen 29 years ago.

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close. ...Earlier this year, predictions were rife that the North Pole could melt entirely in 2008. Instead, the Arctic ice saw a substantial recovery. Bill Chapman, a researcher with the UIUC's Arctic Center, tells DailyTech this was due in part to colder temperatures in the region. Chapman says wind patterns have also been weaker this year. Strong winds can slow ice formation as well as forcing ice into warmer waters where it will melt.

Why were predictions so wrong? Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.


A Non-Melting Arctic Ice Update | NewsBusters.org

You notice how this article is updated with a recent ice rebound....
Man made global warming is a hoax...

 

[Chris]

jreeves, we have increased atmospheric CO2 by 40% in the last 200 years, so we have warmed the earth. This increase in CO2 is accelerating, and now there are signs that arctic methane is joining the mix.

The only question now is, how much will we warm the earth?

 

[jreeves]

jreeves, we have increased atmospheric CO2 by 40% in the last 200 years, so we have warmed the earth. This increase in CO2 is accelerating, and now there are signs that arctic methane is joining the mix.

The only question now is, how much will we warm the earth?

Even though ice levels are the same as the 80's? Your a piece of work....

 

[Chris]

jreeves, we have increased atmospheric CO2 by 40% in the last 200 years, so we have warmed the earth. This increase in CO2 is accelerating, and now there are signs that arctic methane is joining the mix.

The only question now is, how much will we warm the earth?

Even though ice levels are the same as the 80's? Your a piece of work....

No, they are not....

Overview of conditions (December 2008)

Average Arctic sea ice extent for the month of December was 12.53 million square kilometers (4.84 million square miles). This was 140,000 square kilometers (54,000 square miles) greater than for December 2007 and 830,000 square kilometers (320,000 square miles) less than the 1979 to 2000 December average.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

 

[jreeves]

jreeves, we have increased atmospheric CO2 by 40% in the last 200 years, so we have warmed the earth. This increase in CO2 is accelerating, and now there are signs that arctic methane is joining the mix.

The only question now is, how much will we warm the earth?

Even though ice levels are the same as the 80's? Your a piece of work....

No, they are not....

Overview of conditions (December 2008)

Average Arctic sea ice extent for the month of December was 12.53 million square kilometers (4.84 million square miles). This was 140,000 square kilometers (54,000 square miles) greater than for December 2007 and 830,000 square kilometers (320,000 square miles) less than the 1979 to 2000 December average.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close. .

A Non-Melting Arctic Ice Update | NewsBusters.org

 

[Chris]

Even though ice levels are the same as the 80's? Your a piece of work....

No, they are not....

Overview of conditions (December 2008)

Average Arctic sea ice extent for the month of December was 12.53 million square kilometers (4.84 million square miles). This was 140,000 square kilometers (54,000 square miles) greater than for December 2007 and 830,000 square kilometers (320,000 square miles) less than the 1979 to 2000 December average.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close. .

A Non-Melting Arctic Ice Update | NewsBusters.org

newsbusters.org?

Sorry, the National Snow and Ice Data Center are the ones I trust.

Nice try, though.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

 

[jreeves]

No, they are not....

Overview of conditions (December 2008)

Average Arctic sea ice extent for the month of December was 12.53 million square kilometers (4.84 million square miles). This was 140,000 square kilometers (54,000 square miles) greater than for December 2007 and 830,000 square kilometers (320,000 square miles) less than the 1979 to 2000 December average.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close. .

A Non-Melting Arctic Ice Update | NewsBusters.org

newsbusters.org?

Sorry, the National Snow and Ice Data Center are the ones I trust.

Nice try, though.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Based on satellite observations, the University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center reports that the amount of sea ice on the planet is the highest in 29 years, when satellite record-keeping began.

University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center — Kaplak Stream

 

[Chris]

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close. .

A Non-Melting Arctic Ice Update | NewsBusters.org

newsbusters.org?

Sorry, the National Snow and Ice Data Center are the ones I trust.

Nice try, though.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Based on satellite observations, the University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center reports that the amount of sea ice on the planet is the highest in 29 years, when satellite record-keeping began.

University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center — Kaplak Stream

Here are the ACTUAL sea ice figures from the University of Illinois' Climate Research Center....

1979 12.45033 15.30425 14.04489 8.91983 11.54336
1980 12.53639 15.14431 13.98140 9.11966 11.91129
1981 12.41577 15.15012 14.01207 8.93554 11.57623
1982 12.79659 15.46149 14.36142 9.21566 12.15929
1983 12.60551 15.23657 13.92623 9.38671 11.88387
1984 12.28453 14.94473 13.96711 8.87393 11.36361
1985 12.43990 15.17809 14.38674 8.72955 11.47622
1986 12.45092 15.01633 13.82801 9.11791 11.85307
1987 12.65102 15.32136 14.15247 9.24041 11.90118
1988 12.55684 15.13654 13.93870 9.19005 11.97357
1989 12.44663 15.23958 13.54229 9.15674 11.85911
1990 12.11015 15.26338 13.51850 8.07264 11.59689
1991 12.20011 14.84334 13.87693 8.65789 11.43393
1992 12.44991 14.91764 13.67476 9.23874 11.98045
1993 12.25997 15.06794 13.78006 8.38387 11.81933
1994 12.37032 15.08149 13.84400 8.81259 11.75462
1995 11.88742 14.93296 13.35731 7.73501 11.53480
1996 12.07481 14.52469 13.28614 9.26375 11.23536
1997 12.06711 14.94603 13.58513 8.29756 11.45068
1998 12.40697 15.78411 13.96029 8.62229 11.27226
1999 12.39809 15.47643 14.14554 8.50241 11.47914
2000 12.14383 15.21040 13.71933 8.42643 11.22967
2001 12.34065 15.56816 13.86992 8.60746 11.32803
2002 12.13423 15.63629 13.63608 8.09367 11.18163
2003 12.14218 15.53214 13.75027 8.25143 11.04565
2004 11.90407 15.21956 13.24363 8.11353 11.04978
2005 11.64843 14.82359 13.36471 7.72954 10.68591
2006 11.48640 14.35250 13.14995 7.77557 10.67801
2007 10.32810 14.23611 12.56108 5.56487 8.96007
2008 0.00000 14.50902 12.60711 6.20727 0.00000

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/timeseries.1870-2008

 

[jreeves]

newsbusters.org?

Sorry, the National Snow and Ice Data Center are the ones I trust.

Nice try, though.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Based on satellite observations, the University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center reports that the amount of sea ice on the planet is the highest in 29 years, when satellite record-keeping began.

University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center — Kaplak Stream

Here are the ACTUAL sea ice figures from the University of Illinois' Climate Research Center....

1979 12.45033 15.30425 14.04489 8.91983 11.54336
1980 12.53639 15.14431 13.98140 9.11966 11.91129
1981 12.41577 15.15012 14.01207 8.93554 11.57623
1982 12.79659 15.46149 14.36142 9.21566 12.15929
1983 12.60551 15.23657 13.92623 9.38671 11.88387
1984 12.28453 14.94473 13.96711 8.87393 11.36361
1985 12.43990 15.17809 14.38674 8.72955 11.47622
1986 12.45092 15.01633 13.82801 9.11791 11.85307
1987 12.65102 15.32136 14.15247 9.24041 11.90118
1988 12.55684 15.13654 13.93870 9.19005 11.97357
1989 12.44663 15.23958 13.54229 9.15674 11.85911
1990 12.11015 15.26338 13.51850 8.07264 11.59689
1991 12.20011 14.84334 13.87693 8.65789 11.43393
1992 12.44991 14.91764 13.67476 9.23874 11.98045
1993 12.25997 15.06794 13.78006 8.38387 11.81933
1994 12.37032 15.08149 13.84400 8.81259 11.75462
1995 11.88742 14.93296 13.35731 7.73501 11.53480
1996 12.07481 14.52469 13.28614 9.26375 11.23536
1997 12.06711 14.94603 13.58513 8.29756 11.45068
1998 12.40697 15.78411 13.96029 8.62229 11.27226
1999 12.39809 15.47643 14.14554 8.50241 11.47914
2000 12.14383 15.21040 13.71933 8.42643 11.22967
2001 12.34065 15.56816 13.86992 8.60746 11.32803
2002 12.13423 15.63629 13.63608 8.09367 11.18163
2003 12.14218 15.53214 13.75027 8.25143 11.04565
2004 11.90407 15.21956 13.24363 8.11353 11.04978
2005 11.64843 14.82359 13.36471 7.72954 10.68591
2006 11.48640 14.35250 13.14995 7.77557 10.67801
2007 10.32810 14.23611 12.56108 5.56487 8.96007
2008 0.00000 14.50902 12.60711 6.20727 0.00000

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/timeseries.1870-2008

Cool you get it...

 

[Chris]

Based on satellite observations, the University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center reports that the amount of sea ice on the planet is the highest in 29 years, when satellite record-keeping began.

University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center — Kaplak Stream

Here are the ACTUAL sea ice figures from the University of Illinois' Climate Research Center....

1979 12.45033 15.30425 14.04489 8.91983 11.54336
1980 12.53639 15.14431 13.98140 9.11966 11.91129
1981 12.41577 15.15012 14.01207 8.93554 11.57623
1982 12.79659 15.46149 14.36142 9.21566 12.15929
1983 12.60551 15.23657 13.92623 9.38671 11.88387
1984 12.28453 14.94473 13.96711 8.87393 11.36361
1985 12.43990 15.17809 14.38674 8.72955 11.47622
1986 12.45092 15.01633 13.82801 9.11791 11.85307
1987 12.65102 15.32136 14.15247 9.24041 11.90118
1988 12.55684 15.13654 13.93870 9.19005 11.97357
1989 12.44663 15.23958 13.54229 9.15674 11.85911
1990 12.11015 15.26338 13.51850 8.07264 11.59689
1991 12.20011 14.84334 13.87693 8.65789 11.43393
1992 12.44991 14.91764 13.67476 9.23874 11.98045
1993 12.25997 15.06794 13.78006 8.38387 11.81933
1994 12.37032 15.08149 13.84400 8.81259 11.75462
1995 11.88742 14.93296 13.35731 7.73501 11.53480
1996 12.07481 14.52469 13.28614 9.26375 11.23536
1997 12.06711 14.94603 13.58513 8.29756 11.45068
1998 12.40697 15.78411 13.96029 8.62229 11.27226
1999 12.39809 15.47643 14.14554 8.50241 11.47914
2000 12.14383 15.21040 13.71933 8.42643 11.22967
2001 12.34065 15.56816 13.86992 8.60746 11.32803
2002 12.13423 15.63629 13.63608 8.09367 11.18163
2003 12.14218 15.53214 13.75027 8.25143 11.04565
2004 11.90407 15.21956 13.24363 8.11353 11.04978
2005 11.64843 14.82359 13.36471 7.72954 10.68591
2006 11.48640 14.35250 13.14995 7.77557 10.67801
2007 10.32810 14.23611 12.56108 5.56487 8.96007
2008 0.00000 14.50902 12.60711 6.20727 0.00000

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/timeseries.1870-2008

Cool you get it...

I do.

We are warming the earth and melting the polar ice cap.

 

[jreeves]

newsbusters.org?

Sorry, the National Snow and Ice Data Center are the ones I trust.

Nice try, though.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Based on satellite observations, the University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center reports that the amount of sea ice on the planet is the highest in 29 years, when satellite record-keeping began.

University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center — Kaplak Stream

Here are the ACTUAL sea ice figures from the University of Illinois' Climate Research Center....

1979 12.45033 15.30425 14.04489 8.91983 11.54336
1980 12.53639 15.14431 13.98140 9.11966 11.91129
1981 12.41577 15.15012 14.01207 8.93554 11.57623
1982 12.79659 15.46149 14.36142 9.21566 12.15929
1983 12.60551 15.23657 13.92623 9.38671 11.88387
1984 12.28453 14.94473 13.96711 8.87393 11.36361
1985 12.43990 15.17809 14.38674 8.72955 11.47622
1986 12.45092 15.01633 13.82801 9.11791 11.85307
1987 12.65102 15.32136 14.15247 9.24041 11.90118
1988 12.55684 15.13654 13.93870 9.19005 11.97357
1989 12.44663 15.23958 13.54229 9.15674 11.85911
1990 12.11015 15.26338 13.51850 8.07264 11.59689
1991 12.20011 14.84334 13.87693 8.65789 11.43393
1992 12.44991 14.91764 13.67476 9.23874 11.98045
1993 12.25997 15.06794 13.78006 8.38387 11.81933
1994 12.37032 15.08149 13.84400 8.81259 11.75462
1995 11.88742 14.93296 13.35731 7.73501 11.53480
1996 12.07481 14.52469 13.28614 9.26375 11.23536
1997 12.06711 14.94603 13.58513 8.29756 11.45068
1998 12.40697 15.78411 13.96029 8.62229 11.27226
1999 12.39809 15.47643 14.14554 8.50241 11.47914
2000 12.14383 15.21040 13.71933 8.42643 11.22967
2001 12.34065 15.56816 13.86992 8.60746 11.32803
2002 12.13423 15.63629 13.63608 8.09367 11.18163
2003 12.14218 15.53214 13.75027 8.25143 11.04565
2004 11.90407 15.21956 13.24363 8.11353 11.04978
2005 11.64843 14.82359 13.36471 7.72954 10.68591
2006 11.48640 14.35250 13.14995 7.77557 10.67801
2007 10.32810 14.23611 12.56108 5.56487 8.96007
2008 0.00000 14.50902 12.60711 6.20727 0.00000

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/timeseries.1870-2008

If the head of the program says that sea ice is at the highest level in 29 years then he would understand and be able to interpret that data correct?

 

[Chris]

Based on satellite observations, the University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center reports that the amount of sea ice on the planet is the highest in 29 years, when satellite record-keeping began.

University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center — Kaplak Stream

Here are the ACTUAL sea ice figures from the University of Illinois' Climate Research Center....

1979 12.45033 15.30425 14.04489 8.91983 11.54336
1980 12.53639 15.14431 13.98140 9.11966 11.91129
1981 12.41577 15.15012 14.01207 8.93554 11.57623
1982 12.79659 15.46149 14.36142 9.21566 12.15929
1983 12.60551 15.23657 13.92623 9.38671 11.88387
1984 12.28453 14.94473 13.96711 8.87393 11.36361
1985 12.43990 15.17809 14.38674 8.72955 11.47622
1986 12.45092 15.01633 13.82801 9.11791 11.85307
1987 12.65102 15.32136 14.15247 9.24041 11.90118
1988 12.55684 15.13654 13.93870 9.19005 11.97357
1989 12.44663 15.23958 13.54229 9.15674 11.85911
1990 12.11015 15.26338 13.51850 8.07264 11.59689
1991 12.20011 14.84334 13.87693 8.65789 11.43393
1992 12.44991 14.91764 13.67476 9.23874 11.98045
1993 12.25997 15.06794 13.78006 8.38387 11.81933
1994 12.37032 15.08149 13.84400 8.81259 11.75462
1995 11.88742 14.93296 13.35731 7.73501 11.53480
1996 12.07481 14.52469 13.28614 9.26375 11.23536
1997 12.06711 14.94603 13.58513 8.29756 11.45068
1998 12.40697 15.78411 13.96029 8.62229 11.27226
1999 12.39809 15.47643 14.14554 8.50241 11.47914
2000 12.14383 15.21040 13.71933 8.42643 11.22967
2001 12.34065 15.56816 13.86992 8.60746 11.32803
2002 12.13423 15.63629 13.63608 8.09367 11.18163
2003 12.14218 15.53214 13.75027 8.25143 11.04565
2004 11.90407 15.21956 13.24363 8.11353 11.04978
2005 11.64843 14.82359 13.36471 7.72954 10.68591
2006 11.48640 14.35250 13.14995 7.77557 10.67801
2007 10.32810 14.23611 12.56108 5.56487 8.96007
2008 0.00000 14.50902 12.60711 6.20727 0.00000

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/timeseries.1870-2008

If the head of the program says that sea ice is at the highest level in 29 years then he would understand and be able to interpret that data correct?

I don't know that he said that. I don't trust your link.

Plus....IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL DATA... it's not true.

If you look at the next to last column which is the summer melt, you can see how dramatic the loss of sea ice is.

You can post as many bogus links as you want, but that doesn't change reality. We are warming the earth.

 

[jreeves]

Here are the ACTUAL sea ice figures from the University of Illinois' Climate Research Center....

1979 12.45033 15.30425 14.04489 8.91983 11.54336
1980 12.53639 15.14431 13.98140 9.11966 11.91129
1981 12.41577 15.15012 14.01207 8.93554 11.57623
1982 12.79659 15.46149 14.36142 9.21566 12.15929
1983 12.60551 15.23657 13.92623 9.38671 11.88387
1984 12.28453 14.94473 13.96711 8.87393 11.36361
1985 12.43990 15.17809 14.38674 8.72955 11.47622
1986 12.45092 15.01633 13.82801 9.11791 11.85307
1987 12.65102 15.32136 14.15247 9.24041 11.90118
1988 12.55684 15.13654 13.93870 9.19005 11.97357
1989 12.44663 15.23958 13.54229 9.15674 11.85911
1990 12.11015 15.26338 13.51850 8.07264 11.59689
1991 12.20011 14.84334 13.87693 8.65789 11.43393
1992 12.44991 14.91764 13.67476 9.23874 11.98045
1993 12.25997 15.06794 13.78006 8.38387 11.81933
1994 12.37032 15.08149 13.84400 8.81259 11.75462
1995 11.88742 14.93296 13.35731 7.73501 11.53480
1996 12.07481 14.52469 13.28614 9.26375 11.23536
1997 12.06711 14.94603 13.58513 8.29756 11.45068
1998 12.40697 15.78411 13.96029 8.62229 11.27226
1999 12.39809 15.47643 14.14554 8.50241 11.47914
2000 12.14383 15.21040 13.71933 8.42643 11.22967
2001 12.34065 15.56816 13.86992 8.60746 11.32803
2002 12.13423 15.63629 13.63608 8.09367 11.18163
2003 12.14218 15.53214 13.75027 8.25143 11.04565
2004 11.90407 15.21956 13.24363 8.11353 11.04978
2005 11.64843 14.82359 13.36471 7.72954 10.68591
2006 11.48640 14.35250 13.14995 7.77557 10.67801
2007 10.32810 14.23611 12.56108 5.56487 8.96007
2008 0.00000 14.50902 12.60711 6.20727 0.00000

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/timeseries.1870-2008

If the head of the program says that sea ice is at the highest level in 29 years then he would understand and be able to interpret that data correct?

I don't know that he said that. I don't trust your link.

Plus....IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL DATA... it's not true.

If you look at the next to last column which is the summer melt, you can see how dramatic the loss of sea ice is.

You can post as many bogus links as you want, but that doesn't change reality. We are warming the earth.

The second link I provided is from the U of Ill. artic center. There is also no explainations for the data, therefore the data could be incomplete. I trust the head of the artic center over yours....

 

[Chris]

Once again, here is the actual data from the University of Illinois. Your link is bogus...

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

 

[Chris]

Here's the Northern Hemisphere sea ice chart from the University of Illinois...

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.area.jpg

 

[jreeves]

Once again, here is the actual data from the University of Illinois. Your link is bogus...

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

The head of the U of ILL artic center stated that ice levels are at the highest point in 29 years. Even if you don't believe him, you have to admit that ice levels have increased in the last year, correct? If ice levels have increased, what is the reason for this? CO2 concentration has continued to increase, yet ice levels have rebounded greatly. Even to the point that the head of the U of ILL artic center stated that ice levels are at the highest point in 29 years.....