A 7-Day Workweek Could Soon Be Legal in Wisconsin

[danielpalos]

The Point is, I should not have to be put in a position to "imperil the greater glory of my immortal soul" by even potentially having to bear false witness to an employer for an employment.

 

[hortysir]

That's wrong.
If an employee doesnt want to work 7 days he can quit and find a job that will allow him to work whatever he wants. Not every employer will want to run 7 days. But currently if someone wants to work 7 days he cannot. That is unfair.

If an employee doesnt want to work 7 days he can quit and find a job that will allow him to work whatever he wants

Thanks for saying that because you have made my point. Increasing the work week does not give the laborer the choice of working 7 days--he is forced to or fired(He can refuse to quit, Horty. What will the employer do then? Fire the worker). Also note, that depending on skill, he will find other employers trying to exercise the 7 day week--so he has to leave the state if he wants a 5 day week.

No choice--thank you Big Government Republican for sticking your nose into a 'problem' that does not exist!

I seriously doubt many employers would want this law passed since they are able to accommodate without it for decades. So I think the law is really pro-capitalist/anti-corporatist bullshit. The corporatist entities involved(employers, laborer) are not clamoring for this. It is the ideological capitalists that are.

You clearly dont know what you are talking about.
The Big Government is the one that mandated 6 day work weeks to begin with. Other states have no such requirement. Do you think everyone in those other states is working 7 days a week?

The state of WI is trying to pass a 7 day work week. That is the issue.

If you wish to work 7 days, then that issue should be between you and your employer. I think people can work 7 days in a row in many states if the employer allows it. I doubt everyone wants to work 6 or 7 days in a row, which is why I am against a 7 day work week.

They're currently mandating a 5 day work week.
They're repealing that mandate.
Not mandating a 7 day work week

So the number of days scheduled is totally negotiable between employee and employer? That is probably the best option for the labor side--but a hell of a headache on the management side.

It takes some adjustments but, eventually, most wind up with a set schedule

 

[hortysir]

You may want to read up on the legal concept of employment at will.

Here is the Cliff Notes version: The legal concept we are discussing is employment at (the) will (of either party).

I ain't reading up on shit.

You made a claim.
Support it

Ok. Let us start with a legal concept that states employment is at the will of either party--An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other.

Are you still with me, so far?

Yes, in that I'm not one of your bumbling bong-hitting friends.

No, in that I think I fired your Crazy ass a few years back.

But, please continue to teach me "at will" law.

So what; i can claim i got fired, "fair and square" on an at-will basis regardless of any other issues.

You can claim you were fired, but Dept of Labor will be contacting me.
Who do you think they'll believe?

 

[hortysir]

It should be illegal as forcing someone to work 7 days a week is evil.

Who is forcing someone to work 7 days?

 

[danielpalos]

You may want to read up on the legal concept of employment at will.

Here is the Cliff Notes version: The legal concept we are discussing is employment at (the) will (of either party).

I ain't reading up on shit.

You made a claim.
Support it

Ok. Let us start with a legal concept that states employment is at the will of either party--An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other.

Are you still with me, so far?

Yes, in that I'm not one of your bumbling bong-hitting friends.

No, in that I think I fired your Crazy ass a few years back.

But, please continue to teach me "at will" law.

So what; i can claim i got fired, "fair and square" on an at-will basis regardless of any other issues.

You can claim you were fired, but Dept of Labor will be contacting me.
Who do you think they'll believe?

The Person bearing the Truest Witness to the letter of the law.

 

[amrchaos]

If an employee doesnt want to work 7 days he can quit and find a job that will allow him to work whatever he wants

Thanks for saying that because you have made my point. Increasing the work week does not give the laborer the choice of working 7 days--he is forced to or fired(He can refuse to quit, Horty. What will the employer do then? Fire the worker). Also note, that depending on skill, he will find other employers trying to exercise the 7 day week--so he has to leave the state if he wants a 5 day week.

No choice--thank you Big Government Republican for sticking your nose into a 'problem' that does not exist!

I seriously doubt many employers would want this law passed since they are able to accommodate without it for decades. So I think the law is really pro-capitalist/anti-corporatist bullshit. The corporatist entities involved(employers, laborer) are not clamoring for this. It is the ideological capitalists that are.

You clearly dont know what you are talking about.
The Big Government is the one that mandated 6 day work weeks to begin with. Other states have no such requirement. Do you think everyone in those other states is working 7 days a week?

The state of WI is trying to pass a 7 day work week. That is the issue.

If you wish to work 7 days, then that issue should be between you and your employer. I think people can work 7 days in a row in many states if the employer allows it. I doubt everyone wants to work 6 or 7 days in a row, which is why I am against a 7 day work week.

They're currently mandating a 5 day work week.
They're repealing that mandate.
Not mandating a 7 day work week

So the number of days scheduled is totally negotiable between employee and employer? That is probably the best option for the labor side--but a hell of a headache on the management side.

It takes some adjustments but, eventually, most wind up with a set schedule

The more I think about it, the more I feel sorry for the management side of this.

 

[Two Thumbs]

It is libs who have contempt for working Americans, thinking they are too stupid to do anything without help from Big Daddy Government. Why do you oppose giving people a choice?

How much choice does labor get when exercising their legal rights regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in any at-will employment State.

Why does the right, as if by custom and habit until it is ingrained as a moral, prefer to bear false witness to our own laws on an Institutional basis and claim poverty is an Individual problem?

Can you be more specific?
What legal rights are employees in At Will states are being denied?

How much choice does labor get when exercising their legal rights regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in any at-will employment State.

if you get fired you can claim UE under many situations

if you just quit, well tough shit for not finding another job before you quit

Why is labor as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism but not Socialism, denied and disparaged equal application of the law regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation on that same, at-will basis in any at-will employment State?

b/c you are making shit up about socialism

In out country you can quit anytime you like w/o warning.
You can be fired for any reason w/o warning, but, there's a chance you still make money.

the power is in the hands of labor


so stop making shit up and lay off the dope

 

[Two Thumbs]

It should be illegal as forcing someone to work 7 days a week is evil.

you can't be forced

 

[danielpalos]

How much choice does labor get when exercising their legal rights regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in any at-will employment State.

Why does the right, as if by custom and habit until it is ingrained as a moral, prefer to bear false witness to our own laws on an Institutional basis and claim poverty is an Individual problem?

Can you be more specific?
What legal rights are employees in At Will states are being denied?

How much choice does labor get when exercising their legal rights regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in any at-will employment State.

if you get fired you can claim UE under many situations

if you just quit, well tough shit for not finding another job before you quit

Why is labor as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism but not Socialism, denied and disparaged equal application of the law regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation on that same, at-will basis in any at-will employment State?

b/c you are making shit up about socialism

In out country you can quit anytime you like w/o warning.
You can be fired for any reason w/o warning, but, there's a chance you still make money.

the power is in the hands of labor


so stop making shit up and lay off the dope

because, I am not the one who is full of fallacy.

 

[Plasmaball]

this law doesnt bother me at all. Pa has the law at 8 hours between shifts and while short shifting sucks balls, the pay was good. I have more issue with wages than working hours. Thats where the Gop and business looses me.

 

[The Rabbi]

Wait a sec

The government is increasing the work week, it is not allowing the workers to decide between a 5 day, 6 day or 7 day work week!

There is no choice here by the worker. If the employer assign you a 5 day work week, you work that schedule and then can ask for extra hours

If the employer assign you a 7 day work week, you work those 7 days without choice. You risked termination if you "chose" to work 6 days or less.

Keep in mind, not every worker is asking for 7 days of work. Some will, others won't. The Bill forces everyone onto a 7 day week at the employers discretion.(If it is a 7 day week by law, is there any overtime? Overtime comes into play when you work beyond the alloted time, hence a 7 day work week will not have over time unless you stay longer each day!)

To allow "choice" you keep the 5 day work week and create an employee/employer worker agreement about extra hours/days.

See, this is why Unions came into being. A 7 day work week by State Law will only give incentives for the rise of Unions.

P.S. WI minimum wage is currently 7.25. There is a movement to increase it to 10.10

That's wrong.
If an employee doesnt want to work 7 days he can quit and find a job that will allow him to work whatever he wants. Not every employer will want to run 7 days. But currently if someone wants to work 7 days he cannot. That is unfair.

If an employee doesnt want to work 7 days he can quit and find a job that will allow him to work whatever he wants

Thanks for saying that because you have made my point. Increasing the work week does not give the laborer the choice of working 7 days--he is forced to or fired(He can refuse to quit, Horty. What will the employer do then? Fire the worker). Also note, that depending on skill, he will find other employers trying to exercise the 7 day week--so he has to leave the state if he wants a 5 day week.

No choice--thank you Big Government Republican for sticking your nose into a 'problem' that does not exist!

I seriously doubt many employers would want this law passed since they are able to accommodate without it for decades. So I think the law is really pro-capitalist/anti-corporatist bullshit. The corporatist entities involved(employers, laborer) are not clamoring for this. It is the ideological capitalists that are.

You clearly dont know what you are talking about.
The Big Government is the one that mandated 6 day work weeks to begin with. Other states have no such requirement. Do you think everyone in those other states is working 7 days a week?

The state of WI is trying to pass a 7 day work week. That is the issue.

If you wish to work 7 days, then that issue should be between you and your employer. I think people can work 7 days in a row in many states if the employer allows it. I doubt everyone wants to work 6 or 7 days in a row, which is why I am against a 7 day work week.

You understand the proposed law would ALLOW a 7 day work week, just like other states. It would not MANDATE a 7 day work week, right?

 

[The Rabbi]

It is libs who have contempt for working Americans, thinking they are too stupid to do anything without help from Big Daddy Government. Why do you oppose giving people a choice?

How much choice does labor get when exercising their legal rights regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in any at-will employment State.

Why does the right, as if by custom and habit until it is ingrained as a moral, prefer to bear false witness to our own laws on an Institutional basis and claim poverty is an Individual problem?

Can you be more specific?
What legal rights are employees in At Will states are being denied?

How much choice does labor get when exercising their legal rights regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in any at-will employment State.

if you get fired you can claim UE under many situations

if you just quit, well tough shit for not finding another job before you quit

Why is labor as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism but not Socialism, denied and disparaged equal application of the law regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation on that same, at-will basis in any at-will employment State?

The answer is 54.

 

[The Rabbi]

That's wrong.
If an employee doesnt want to work 7 days he can quit and find a job that will allow him to work whatever he wants. Not every employer will want to run 7 days. But currently if someone wants to work 7 days he cannot. That is unfair.

If an employee doesnt want to work 7 days he can quit and find a job that will allow him to work whatever he wants

Thanks for saying that because you have made my point. Increasing the work week does not give the laborer the choice of working 7 days--he is forced to or fired(He can refuse to quit, Horty. What will the employer do then? Fire the worker). Also note, that depending on skill, he will find other employers trying to exercise the 7 day week--so he has to leave the state if he wants a 5 day week.

No choice--thank you Big Government Republican for sticking your nose into a 'problem' that does not exist!

I seriously doubt many employers would want this law passed since they are able to accommodate without it for decades. So I think the law is really pro-capitalist/anti-corporatist bullshit. The corporatist entities involved(employers, laborer) are not clamoring for this. It is the ideological capitalists that are.

You clearly dont know what you are talking about.
The Big Government is the one that mandated 6 day work weeks to begin with. Other states have no such requirement. Do you think everyone in those other states is working 7 days a week?

The state of WI is trying to pass a 7 day work week. That is the issue.

If you wish to work 7 days, then that issue should be between you and your employer. I think people can work 7 days in a row in many states if the employer allows it. I doubt everyone wants to work 6 or 7 days in a row, which is why I am against a 7 day work week.

They're currently mandating a 5 day work week.
They're repealing that mandate.
Not mandating a 7 day work week

So the number of days scheduled is totally negotiable between employee and employer? That is probably the best option for the labor side--but a hell of a headache on the management side.

It is totally negotiable. The employer draws up the job requirements and the applicant either accepts them, rejects them, or in some cases negotiates them.

 

[Unkotare]

Wisconsin’s GOP is trying to nix an existing law that requires employers in the manufacturing and retail sectors to give employees at least 24 hours off during each consecutive seven-day period. Currently, for an employee to skip his or her weekly day off, an employer has to get approval from the state’s Department of Workforce Development. The Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce association—a staunch advocate of the bill—suggests that the step is onerous and unnecessary, since the department has approved 733 such requests over the past five years, a number they imply means that the department is rubber-stamping the requests. Supporters also suggest that the plan ultimately helps employees who want to work more hours.
Will Wisconsin Have 7-Day Workweeks - The Atlantic

Yep. The GOP is awesome.

Morons.

What's the problem, lazy?

 

[The Rabbi]

Can you be more specific?
What legal rights are employees in At Will states are being denied?

How much choice does labor get when exercising their legal rights regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in any at-will employment State.

if you get fired you can claim UE under many situations

if you just quit, well tough shit for not finding another job before you quit

Why is labor as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism but not Socialism, denied and disparaged equal application of the law regarding employment at will and unemployment compensation on that same, at-will basis in any at-will employment State?

b/c you are making shit up about socialism

In out country you can quit anytime you like w/o warning.
You can be fired for any reason w/o warning, but, there's a chance you still make money.

the power is in the hands of labor


so stop making shit up and lay off the dope

because, I am not the one who is full of fallacy.

You are correct: Fallacy is not what you are full of.

 

[thereisnospoon]

If that's the best crap that the GOP can come up with----they are beyond worthless. Nothing says love the working man with crap like this.

Oh please spare us the pro union " da werkin man" bullshit...

Grow up.

Gee that'a witty retort.......Dontcha just hate it when you've been exposed.......

 

[thereisnospoon]

If that's the best crap that the GOP can come up with----they are beyond worthless. Nothing says love the working man with crap like this.

Why do you hate working people? Sometimes it's nice to get in a few extra hours to buy the finer things in life.

Why do you insist on returning to a feudal society?

Feudal society? Such dramatics

 

[thereisnospoon]

Wisconsin’s GOP is trying to nix an existing law that requires employers in the manufacturing and retail sectors to give employees at least 24 hours off during each consecutive seven-day period. Currently, for an employee to skip his or her weekly day off, an employer has to get approval from the state’s Department of Workforce Development. The Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce association—a staunch advocate of the bill—suggests that the step is onerous and unnecessary, since the department has approved 733 such requests over the past five years, a number they imply means that the department is rubber-stamping the requests. Supporters also suggest that the plan ultimately helps employees who want to work more hours.
Will Wisconsin Have 7-Day Workweeks - The Atlantic

Yep. The GOP is awesome.

Morons.

Good, people who vote for these losers are getting what they get. That is the thing that will defeat them. Working people that vote for Republicans, you get what you idiots get.

"Get"?.....Such as?.....Hey, if you want a lightweight 32 hour work week, move to one of those slacker western European countries. Good luck trying to find a job....

 

[thereisnospoon]

If that's the best crap that the GOP can come up with----they are beyond worthless. Nothing says love the working man with crap like this.

Why do you hate working people? Sometimes it's nice to get in a few extra hours to buy the finer things in life.

Why do you insist on returning to a feudal society?

Why do you insist on holding people down, Ive worked many 80 hour weeks, you know what it got me, more money.

Yep, this looks fantastical. It hits factories and retail. Further, it's also going to gut the "living wage" law and take out the the process of taking your case to the Department of Workforce Development.

Budget amendment would allow 7-day workweeks

If there are "living wage laws" please post them here....

 

[thereisnospoon]

Only seven?

Cry me a fucking river

How many days are in a week?

seven....Your point?