A constitutional tipping point

[JoeB131]

I've just discovered this forum, I'm very surprised to see how many posts seem to defend Obama and his antics. R S E P T and they make fun Bush. Hypocrits.
There must be a reason for their blind devotion, either they are goofing on us with their absurdity, or they are profoundly under-informed politically or they lack the intellectual ability to comprehend the seriousness of our situation or they are socialist/marxists. Whatever the reason, they are allowing our great nation to be decimated by Obama's radical agenda. Soros is smiling.

Or we don't get worked up when Obama does the same stuff implementng laws that EVERY OTHER president has done.

Incidently, I think that the ACA is a hot mess. Obama made so many concessions to the Insurance Industry trying to get one Republican to sign on that he largely hobbled the good intent of the law.

They should have just expanded Medicare to everyone and called it a day.

 

[The Rabbi]

No president threatened to bypass Congress.
No president ignored black letter law.
No president, with maybe one exception, instructed his justice dept not to enforce federal law, which is a violation of his oath of office.

Obama is unique. Not in a good way.

 

[Wildman]

Obama sucks ballz.

The end.

i have read several places where they claim he was and maybe still is a "TEABAGGER" ....

 

[nodoginnafight]

O.P. is the Al Gore of the Constitution.

"Tipping point"

Oh puh-leeze

 

[nodoginnafight]

Are you aware that the Supreme Court does not get involved the issues you just claimed that the fact they never ruled on proves that they are constitutional? If it actually works that way, and since the courts have never declared that I am not God, I must be God.

Those that require the government to have unlimited powers require this view in order to support the asinine idea. It is unfortunate that the average person now sees things this way - the all powerful and benevolent government must be able to do anything it wants. We are sliding away from a separation of powers and people seem to be more than ignoring it - they are demanding it.

Your comments are interesting. And I mean interesting in truth--not trying to be ironic or insult you.

Recently, Representative Issa shut off Representative Cummings microphone during a hearing. This has been done by both parties to members of the minority party during hearings.

Constitutionally all representatives are equal. Yet We the People have allowed these political parties to empower some more than others. If there is a Constitutional problem that we face is that our representatives have placed party servitude at the front of their to do list.

Turning back the clock to the Issa/Cumming and any of the previous times this happened, had the chair just let the minority member speak, the speech she/he gave would be quickly forgotten yet when these extreme measures are taken to silence opposition; well it's something that gains attention.

As for your post...blame the parties for this "you must comply" mentality. It is not only important for the survival of you as a political animal (no patronage, no Pesos during election season), but it's now become a reflex. Had Issa or any of these other guys who have done this to the minority thought about it...they would have just let the opposition speak and gavel the hearing to a close and the public would never notice.... Do you know what happened in Congress on February 25? Me neither. Were they in session? Dunno...there were no fireworks.

Power comes from the parties and our representatives are 100% vested in servitude to these thoroughly unconstitutional and, in my opinion, un-American entities.

There is your crisis.

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[Iceweasel]

Turning back the clock to the Issa/Cumming and any of the previous times this happened, had the chair just let the minority member speak, the speech she/he gave would be quickly forgotten yet when these extreme measures are taken to silence opposition; well it's something that gains attention.

Following the rules is an extreme measure? It was an investigative hearing, not a platform for party antics. We are paying those people to do a job. If you want to hear more talking points, by all means, invite them to speak or pass the plate and pay them to do it on their own time.

The problem we have is too much spending and in this case, attempts to roll it back are met with illegal force by government. That's as wrong as it gets.

 

[candycorn]

Turning back the clock to the Issa/Cumming and any of the previous times this happened, had the chair just let the minority member speak, the speech she/he gave would be quickly forgotten yet when these extreme measures are taken to silence opposition; well it's something that gains attention.

Following the rules is an extreme measure? It was an investigative hearing, not a platform for party antics. We are paying those people to do a job. If you want to hear more talking points, by all means, invite them to speak or pass the plate and pay them to do it on their own time.

Congress is nothing but a platform for party antics...where have you been?

Feel free to take a look at this that got a "standing ovation" from the posters here:

Do you really feel that Issa would have silenced a member of his own party? Sure you do.

The problem we have is too much spending and in this case, attempts to roll it back are met with illegal force by government. That's as wrong as it gets.

And how many hearings have we had on this topic from 2011-2012? Dozens at what expense? How many times have you losers tried to repeal the ACA? Forty plus? At what expense? Shutting down the government--costs billions out of the economy according to some reports...that was you guys too.

If you think all of the hearings and symbolic votes are good, that's fine and I'm a big champion of lost causes and symbolic gestures. But claiming that these themselves are not politically motivated is not telling the truth.

 

[Iceweasel]

Congress is nothing but a platform for party antics...where have you been?

Congress passes laws and budgets, grandstanding happens but that doesn't do away with the purpose. In this case it was a hearing for a specific reason.

Do you really feel that Issa would have silenced a member of his own party? Sure you do.

My feelings don't matter, neither do yours. Cummings said he had a question, once he demonstrated that it was a lie he was cut off. He was free to bloviate elsewhere, he wouldn't have changed anything anyway. I don't see the issue except as a distraction.

And how many hearings have we had on this topic from 2011-2012? Dozens at what expense? How many times have you losers tried to repeal the ACA? Forty plus? At what expense? Shutting down the government--costs billions out of the economy according to some reports...that was you guys too.

You guys? I'm not a congressman. However they weren't elected to please you or the left. The Senate refuses the budget if they don't get everything so I don't agree with your opinion.

If you think all of the hearings and symbolic votes are good, that's fine and I'm a big champion of lost causes and symbolic gestures. But claiming that these themselves are not politically motivated is not telling the truth.

You aren't being honest by trying to sweep the illegal IRS crap under the rug. The fact that the left wants it covered up is where the expense comes in, don't blame those who have to fight for freedom and the truth. It's like blaming the homeowner for leaving the door unlocked.

 

[candycorn]

Congress is nothing but a platform for party antics...where have you been?

Congress passes laws and budgets, grandstanding happens but that doesn't do away with the purpose. In this case it was a hearing for a specific reason.

Do you really feel that Issa would have silenced a member of his own party? Sure you do.

My feelings don't matter, neither do yours. Cummings said he had a question, once he demonstrated that it was a lie he was cut off. He was free to bloviate elsewhere, he wouldn't have changed anything anyway. I don't see the issue except as a distraction.

And how many hearings have we had on this topic from 2011-2012? Dozens at what expense? How many times have you losers tried to repeal the ACA? Forty plus? At what expense? Shutting down the government--costs billions out of the economy according to some reports...that was you guys too.

You guys? I'm not a congressman. However they weren't elected to please you or the left. The Senate refuses the budget if they don't get everything so I don't agree with your opinion.

If you think all of the hearings and symbolic votes are good, that's fine and I'm a big champion of lost causes and symbolic gestures. But claiming that these themselves are not politically motivated is not telling the truth.

You aren't being honest by trying to sweep the illegal IRS crap under the rug. The fact that the left wants it covered up is where the expense comes in, don't blame those who have to fight for freedom and the truth. It's like blaming the homeowner for leaving the door unlocked.

Issa even apologized for his behavior... but go on believing he did nothing wrong. Darryl will disagree with you.

 

[Iceweasel]

Issa even apologized for his behavior... but go on believing he did nothing wrong. Darryl will disagree with you.

Probably just to shut up the cry babies that want to change the issue.

 

[Barb]

Where the FUCK were you "patriots" when Bush was setting the standard?

Let me clue you into how politics work vis a vis international relations and especially homeland insecurity.

NOTHING put into place by a "conservative" President can be repealed by a "librul" President without it bringing an end to western civilization, apple pie, and attendance at your nearest Walmart.

Moreover, the reason for this is money. Money for defense contracts, contracts that overwhelmingly favor the right wing rather than the left, but those with SUCH deep pockets that they control the media and (barf) NEWS outlets that drive (dum ta DUMB) "public opinion."

And the circle jerk is complete.

 

[candycorn]

Issa even apologized for his behavior... but go on believing he did nothing wrong. Darryl will disagree with you.

Probably just to shut up the cry babies that want to change the issue.

So now he's both disingenuous and wrong...great.

Anyway, politics rules the day in Congress as you just proved (unless you are endorsing such false behavior). This is the only constitutional crisis; parties are favored over people and we really need to change the system (i.e. Constitution) to prevent the parties from totally sacrificing the nation.

 

[DGS49]

(1) All Presidents play games with the "Execution" of the laws of the United States. Bush43 was fond of issuing "signing statements" when he signed a new law, explaining how he intended to interpret and enforce it - which was not always consistent with what Congress intended. Most recent presidents have been accused of abusing the Executive Order power (which isn't in the Constitution), with some validity. Congress needs to shoot an Executive Order down occasionally (by legislation), just to keep the President honest.

(2) It makes no sense to have a "standing," full-time Congress 220+ years after the ratification of the Constitution. In a rational world, we, the people, would have decided long ago that we have "enough" laws, and Congress would be session for a couple weeks every two years. it would be a part-time gig, paying a nominal salary and with a minimal expense account. There would be a few representatives of the Speaker, etc., in Washington to ride herd on the Bureaucrats and make sure they don't go too far off the reservation. That's it.

(3) The idea that the Supreme Court has the final word on everything constitutional is written nowhere in the Constitution, and is based on some very dubious and questionable arguments. One day, we need a President to overrule a renegade Supreme Court and ignore their opinion. He is bound after all to obey the Constitution, not the Supreme Court's version of the Constitution, which is often 180 degrees out of synch with what the Constitution actually says.

 

[Iceweasel]

So now he's both disingenuous and wrong...great.

I don't know him personally so you have an advantage over me. Soothing hurt feelings in order to get back to business seems sensible, not disingenuous.

Anyway, politics rules the day in Congress as you just proved (unless you are endorsing such false behavior). This is the only constitutional crisis; parties are favored over people and we really need to change the system (i.e. Constitution) to prevent the parties from totally sacrificing the nation.

Politics have always ruled the day. When a party uses government power to supress opposition THAT is putting politics over people. You would be behind the investigation 100% if you were sincere.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Issa even apologized for his behavior... but go on believing he did nothing wrong. Darryl will disagree with you.

Probably just to shut up the cry babies that want to change the issue.

So now he's both disingenuous and wrong...great.

Anyway, politics rules the day in Congress as you just proved (unless you are endorsing such false behavior). This is the only constitutional crisis; parties are favored over people and we really need to change the system (i.e. Constitution) to prevent the parties from totally sacrificing the nation.

You are on a roll today.

 

[The Rabbi]

Probably just to shut up the cry babies that want to change the issue.

So now he's both disingenuous and wrong...great.

Anyway, politics rules the day in Congress as you just proved (unless you are endorsing such false behavior). This is the only constitutional crisis; parties are favored over people and we really need to change the system (i.e. Constitution) to prevent the parties from totally sacrificing the nation.

You are on a roll today.

Most stupid posts in one day? Candycorn has an amazing ability to post the worst tripe--factually wrong, intellectually lazy, and internally contradictory.

 

[nodoginnafight]

So now he's both disingenuous and wrong...great.

Anyway, politics rules the day in Congress as you just proved (unless you are endorsing such false behavior). This is the only constitutional crisis; parties are favored over people and we really need to change the system (i.e. Constitution) to prevent the parties from totally sacrificing the nation.

You are on a roll today.

Most stupid posts in one day? Candycorn has an amazing ability to post the worst tripe--factually wrong, intellectually lazy, and internally contradictory.

Projecting again I see