A Different View on AHCA

[TNHarley]

What they should do is outlaw health insurance
Talk about effecting costs...

My own (poorly informed) opinion is that the "deep pockets" of health insurance has had a lot to do with the unreasonable costs for healthcare generally. That and a committed and wealthy lobby making sure doctors can charge as much as they please and that drug companies can charge as much as they please.

Getting rid of healthcare would cripple a few industries that decide our legislation for us. Would literally give 20% of our economy back to the people..

 

[2aguy]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And this story is a lie......pure and simple......no AMerican is going to lose coverage because of this act...it is the authors opinion....he has nothing more to go on other than his opinion and his hatred of Republicans and conservatives....

Was this author as concerned about the AMericans forced into obamacare...who could not afford the premiums and who could now actually use it because the deductibles were in excess of 7,000 dollars a year? Where was he on that...how many people died because of that?

And on the VA......Vets are actually dying every day in the VA system...not because of their illness.....because they can't see a doctor to treat their illness....they have been put on fake waiting lists to hide the length of time they have to wait...and they die because of it...

Is the author campaigning against that system? Or the fact that the same people running that system are running obamacare?

Get real.....

 

[debbiedowner]

What they should do is outlaw health insurance
Talk about effecting costs...

My own (poorly informed) opinion is that the "deep pockets" of health insurance has had a lot to do with the unreasonable costs for healthcare generally. That and a committed and wealthy lobby making sure doctors can charge as much as they please and that drug companies can charge as much as they please.

You know whether I'm for or agin this whole thing the fact is CEO's of health insurance companies make way damn too much money, but you cannot have guaranteed issue of health insurance policies and many million's signing up with dreaded diseases are currently be treated for the diseases and as a health insurer on the hook for claims from day 1. That's millions if not billions in claims. The actuaries this year are finally getting a handle on this, but with all the uncertainity of congress and senate don't expect your health insurance premium's to go down any many years if ever. You also have to throw in the expense of new health technology.

 

[2aguy]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And the congressional budget office hasn't been right on any of its predictions...especially where obamacare is concerned because they can't score it based on dynamic factors.......get real

 

[debbiedowner]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And this story is a lie......pure and simple......no AMerican is going to lose coverage because of this act...it is the authors opinion....he has nothing more to go on other than his opinion and his hatred of Republicans and conservatives....

Was this author as concerned about the AMericans forced into obamacare...who could not afford the premiums and who could now actually use it because the deductibles were in excess of 7,000 dollars a year? Where was he on that...how many people died because of that?

And on the VA......Vets are actually dying every day in the VA system...not because of their illness.....because they can't see a doctor to treat their illness....they have been put on fake waiting lists to hide the length of time they have to wait...and they die because of it...

Is the author campaigning against that system? Or the fact that the same people running that system are running obamacare?

Get real.....

Don't know about his article, but some American's will lose health insurance if the current bill is signed into law.

 

[2aguy]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And this story is a lie......pure and simple......no AMerican is going to lose coverage because of this act...it is the authors opinion....he has nothing more to go on other than his opinion and his hatred of Republicans and conservatives....

Was this author as concerned about the AMericans forced into obamacare...who could not afford the premiums and who could now actually use it because the deductibles were in excess of 7,000 dollars a year? Where was he on that...how many people died because of that?

And on the VA......Vets are actually dying every day in the VA system...not because of their illness.....because they can't see a doctor to treat their illness....they have been put on fake waiting lists to hide the length of time they have to wait...and they die because of it...

Is the author campaigning against that system? Or the fact that the same people running that system are running obamacare?

Get real.....

Don't know about his article, but some American's will lose health insurance if the current bill is signed into law.

A lot of Americans lost coverage under obamacare...and they had insurance and were only kicked off because of obamacare....was this guy there complaining about that?

And a local radio host, Amy Jacobson recounted about friends of hers who were undergoing chemo treatment for cancer at Loyola and other hospitals...who were dropped because they lost their insurance because of obamacare......that was actually putting people in danger...did this guy complain about those cases?

 

[OldLady]

What they should do is outlaw health insurance
Talk about effecting costs...

My own (poorly informed) opinion is that the "deep pockets" of health insurance has had a lot to do with the unreasonable costs for healthcare generally. That and a committed and wealthy lobby making sure doctors can charge as much as they please and that drug companies can charge as much as they please.

Getting rid of healthcare would cripple a few industries that decide our legislation for us. Would literally give 20% of our economy back to the people..

It can't happen since medicine has made such advances that it actually can save lives and increase the quality of life dramatically for so many. No one of average means can afford a visit to an ER for a broken leg, even. People haven't got that kind of money.

 

[OldLady]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And this story is a lie......pure and simple......no AMerican is going to lose coverage because of this act...it is the authors opinion....he has nothing more to go on other than his opinion and his hatred of Republicans and conservatives....

Was this author as concerned about the AMericans forced into obamacare...who could not afford the premiums and who could now actually use it because the deductibles were in excess of 7,000 dollars a year? Where was he on that...how many people died because of that?

And on the VA......Vets are actually dying every day in the VA system...not because of their illness.....because they can't see a doctor to treat their illness....they have been put on fake waiting lists to hide the length of time they have to wait...and they die because of it...

Is the author campaigning against that system? Or the fact that the same people running that system are running obamacare?

Get real.....

Don't know about his article, but some American's will lose health insurance if the current bill is signed into law.

A lot of Americans lost coverage under obamacare...and they had insurance and were only kicked off because of obamacare....was this guy there complaining about that?

And a local radio host, Amy Jacobson recounted about friends of hers who were undergoing chemo treatment for cancer at Loyola and other hospitals...who were dropped because they lost their insurance because of obamacare......that was actually putting people in danger...did this guy complain about those cases?

The people who lost their insurer had access to another under Obamacare. They had to SWITCH insurers, not go without.

 

[OldLady]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And the congressional budget office hasn't been right on any of its predictions...especially where obamacare is concerned because they can't score it based on dynamic factors.......get real

They may be off, but by how much? Are you saying no one will lose coverage when the expanded Medicaid programs are defunded by eight hundred million?

 

[blackhawk]

I have a really novel idea how about everyone stop going partisan bat shit crazy and wait to see what the final version of the bill will look like.

 

[TNHarley]

What they should do is outlaw health insurance
Talk about effecting costs...

My own (poorly informed) opinion is that the "deep pockets" of health insurance has had a lot to do with the unreasonable costs for healthcare generally. That and a committed and wealthy lobby making sure doctors can charge as much as they please and that drug companies can charge as much as they please.

Getting rid of healthcare would cripple a few industries that decide our legislation for us. Would literally give 20% of our economy back to the people..

It can't happen since medicine has made such advances that it actually can save lives and increase the quality of life dramatically for so many. No one of average means can afford a visit to an ER for a broken leg, even. People haven't got that kind of money.

So if we got rid of health insurance, you think the costs will remain high?
You think tens of thousands of hospitals and clinics will only work with 10% of our country? I don't think so.
Costs will go down. Its the only possible outcome unless the healthcare industry wants to collapse..
Why do you think a hospital with a ten year old cat scan machine that got paid for 9.5 years ago, still charge the same amount? Because they can..

 

[TNHarley]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And the congressional budget office hasn't been right on any of its predictions...especially where obamacare is concerned because they can't score it based on dynamic factors.......get real

They may be off, but by how much? Are you saying no one will lose coverage when the expanded Medicaid programs are defunded by eight hundred million?

expanded Medicaid will be getting MORE money. States that don't expand, will get less. That's what Texas was bitching about..

 

[percysunshine]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And this story is a lie......pure and simple......no AMerican is going to lose coverage because of this act...it is the authors opinion....he has nothing more to go on other than his opinion and his hatred of Republicans and conservatives....

Was this author as concerned about the AMericans forced into obamacare...who could not afford the premiums and who could now actually use it because the deductibles were in excess of 7,000 dollars a year? Where was he on that...how many people died because of that?

And on the VA......Vets are actually dying every day in the VA system...not because of their illness.....because they can't see a doctor to treat their illness....they have been put on fake waiting lists to hide the length of time they have to wait...and they die because of it...

Is the author campaigning against that system? Or the fact that the same people running that system are running obamacare?

Get real.....

Don't know about his article, but some American's will lose health insurance if the current bill is signed into law.

A lot of Americans lost coverage under obamacare...and they had insurance and were only kicked off because of obamacare....was this guy there complaining about that?

And a local radio host, Amy Jacobson recounted about friends of hers who were undergoing chemo treatment for cancer at Loyola and other hospitals...who were dropped because they lost their insurance because of obamacare......that was actually putting people in danger...did this guy complain about those cases?

The people who lost their insurer had access to another under Obamacare. They had to SWITCH insurers, not go without.

With much higher deductibles and copays.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. It is like a law of physics or something.

 

[OldLady]

What they should do is outlaw health insurance
Talk about effecting costs...

My own (poorly informed) opinion is that the "deep pockets" of health insurance has had a lot to do with the unreasonable costs for healthcare generally. That and a committed and wealthy lobby making sure doctors can charge as much as they please and that drug companies can charge as much as they please.

Getting rid of healthcare would cripple a few industries that decide our legislation for us. Would literally give 20% of our economy back to the people..

It can't happen since medicine has made such advances that it actually can save lives and increase the quality of life dramatically for so many. No one of average means can afford a visit to an ER for a broken leg, even. People haven't got that kind of money.

So if we got rid of health insurance, you think the costs will remain high?
You think tens of thousands of hospitals and clinics will only work with 10% of our country? I don't think so.
Costs will go down. Its the only possible outcome unless the healthcare industry wants to collapse..
Why do you think a hospital with a ten year old cat scan machine that got paid for 9.5 years ago, still charge the same amount? Because they can..

Hospitals in our area have closed in the past decade because they can't afford to keep their doors open. It's not the hospitals that are making huge profits--but they are paying the doctors and the supply companies and the CT scan manufacturers whatever they wish to charge. I agree with you in spirit.

 

[OldLady]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And this story is a lie......pure and simple......no AMerican is going to lose coverage because of this act...it is the authors opinion....he has nothing more to go on other than his opinion and his hatred of Republicans and conservatives....

Was this author as concerned about the AMericans forced into obamacare...who could not afford the premiums and who could now actually use it because the deductibles were in excess of 7,000 dollars a year? Where was he on that...how many people died because of that?

And on the VA......Vets are actually dying every day in the VA system...not because of their illness.....because they can't see a doctor to treat their illness....they have been put on fake waiting lists to hide the length of time they have to wait...and they die because of it...

Is the author campaigning against that system? Or the fact that the same people running that system are running obamacare?

Get real.....

Don't know about his article, but some American's will lose health insurance if the current bill is signed into law.

A lot of Americans lost coverage under obamacare...and they had insurance and were only kicked off because of obamacare....was this guy there complaining about that?

And a local radio host, Amy Jacobson recounted about friends of hers who were undergoing chemo treatment for cancer at Loyola and other hospitals...who were dropped because they lost their insurance because of obamacare......that was actually putting people in danger...did this guy complain about those cases?

The people who lost their insurer had access to another under Obamacare. They had to SWITCH insurers, not go without.

With much higher deductibles and copays.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. It is like a law of physics or something.

I know. Universal healthcare will require a huge chunk of taxes, but I'm willing to pay it. I am concerned the way the government so ineffectively manages the programs it's already got that we may end up paying somewhat more than we should, but it's inevitable. Universal healthcare will happen. Rather than fight it, everyone concerned about cost and effectiveness should be studying the system from top to bottom and finding ways to bring this Stay Puft Marshmallow Man under control.

 

[TNHarley]

What they should do is outlaw health insurance
Talk about effecting costs...

My own (poorly informed) opinion is that the "deep pockets" of health insurance has had a lot to do with the unreasonable costs for healthcare generally. That and a committed and wealthy lobby making sure doctors can charge as much as they please and that drug companies can charge as much as they please.

Getting rid of healthcare would cripple a few industries that decide our legislation for us. Would literally give 20% of our economy back to the people..

It can't happen since medicine has made such advances that it actually can save lives and increase the quality of life dramatically for so many. No one of average means can afford a visit to an ER for a broken leg, even. People haven't got that kind of money.

So if we got rid of health insurance, you think the costs will remain high?
You think tens of thousands of hospitals and clinics will only work with 10% of our country? I don't think so.
Costs will go down. Its the only possible outcome unless the healthcare industry wants to collapse..
Why do you think a hospital with a ten year old cat scan machine that got paid for 9.5 years ago, still charge the same amount? Because they can..

Hospitals in our area have closed in the past decade because they can't afford to keep their doors open. It's not the hospitals that are making huge profits--but they are paying the doctors and the supply companies and the CT scan manufacturers whatever they wish to charge. I agree with you in spirit.

We have that problem around here. Buts its because all the govt owned hospitals try to shut down the independent ones...

 

[OldLady]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And the congressional budget office hasn't been right on any of its predictions...especially where obamacare is concerned because they can't score it based on dynamic factors.......get real

They may be off, but by how much? Are you saying no one will lose coverage when the expanded Medicaid programs are defunded by eight hundred million?

expanded Medicaid will be getting MORE money. States that don't expand, will get less. That's what Texas was bitching about..

Explain how $800,000,000 in cuts means more money for Medicaid. Price isn't saying that.
HHS Secretary Tom Price Defends AHCA's $1 Trillion Medicaid Cut

 

[TNHarley]

And this story is a lie......pure and simple......no AMerican is going to lose coverage because of this act...it is the authors opinion....he has nothing more to go on other than his opinion and his hatred of Republicans and conservatives....

Was this author as concerned about the AMericans forced into obamacare...who could not afford the premiums and who could now actually use it because the deductibles were in excess of 7,000 dollars a year? Where was he on that...how many people died because of that?

And on the VA......Vets are actually dying every day in the VA system...not because of their illness.....because they can't see a doctor to treat their illness....they have been put on fake waiting lists to hide the length of time they have to wait...and they die because of it...

Is the author campaigning against that system? Or the fact that the same people running that system are running obamacare?

Get real.....

Don't know about his article, but some American's will lose health insurance if the current bill is signed into law.

A lot of Americans lost coverage under obamacare...and they had insurance and were only kicked off because of obamacare....was this guy there complaining about that?

And a local radio host, Amy Jacobson recounted about friends of hers who were undergoing chemo treatment for cancer at Loyola and other hospitals...who were dropped because they lost their insurance because of obamacare......that was actually putting people in danger...did this guy complain about those cases?

The people who lost their insurer had access to another under Obamacare. They had to SWITCH insurers, not go without.

With much higher deductibles and copays.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. It is like a law of physics or something.

I know. Universal healthcare will require a huge chunk of taxes, but I'm willing to pay it. I am concerned the way the government so ineffectively manages the programs it's already got that we may end up paying somewhat more than we should, but it's inevitable. Universal healthcare will happen. Rather than fight it, everyone concerned about cost and effectiveness should be studying the system from top to bottom and finding ways to bring this Stay Puft Marshmallow Man under control.

so they govt cant handle what they do now, but you think the answer is giving them more programs to fuck up?
Lets ask Veterans how they feel about that..
The govt is the solution to NOTHING.
The more people that depend on the government, the less liberty we have as an individual.
One of the biggest economic problems we have IS the government.

 

[TNHarley]

For all you conservatives screaming about the dangers of terrorism, take a minute to read this. In my local paper this morning; I found it an interesting perspective.

The Republican healthcare plan would cause more American deaths than terrorism
May 5, 2017
By Phoenix McLaughlin

Of all the threats to American lives, few frighten the country more than terrorism. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world have lost their lives to terrorism over the past two decades. ISIS has killed upwards of 50,000 people over the course of their existence, one or two hundred of whom were American, and al Qaeda has killed over 4,000, most of whom were American. The fight against these groups has consumed much of the U.S. government since 9/11, and it continues to be a top worry of the American people.

But if it’s the loss of American life we’re afraid of, we may need to change our priorities. The Republican Party really put things in perspective for all of us on Thursday, when they passed the American Health Care Act through the House of Representatives. It is a remarkable plan to deny millions of Americans healthcare. The Congressional Budget Office said the original plan would cause 24 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2026, and 14 million would lose it just in 2018. While the CBO hasn’t had time to score the mildly revised plan, there’s little in it that is likely to reverse those numbers.

As you might imagine, not having health insurance means not having good healthcare. It doesn’t just mean higher bills or even bankruptcy—it means people will not get treated for their problems. And that means people are more likely to die from illness and injury. As it turns out, there is research that confirms this. Studies from the National Institutes of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, all found that lack of health insurance significantly increased the likelihood of death. The level of mortality rate increase varied across the studies, but applying the most conservative of the estimates to the the number of people slated to lose health insurance under the AHCA tells us that roughly 24,000 more Americans will die each year. That calculation is based on 20 million people losing insurance, so we would be looking at about 17,000 additional deaths per year starting in 2018/19, once 14 million people lose insurance, and about 29,000 by 2026, when 24 million have lost it.

I must say, part of my job entails researching ways to beat violent extremism, and it feels a bit pointless in comparison. Trying to keep the Senate from passing the AHCA in its current form might be a more worthwhile endeavor if the goal is to save lives.

It’s hard to think of what bill the House could have passed that would kill more Americans than this. A declaration of war probably wouldn’t have done it. The AHCA will lead to more American deaths per year than any war since WWII. Even Vietnam, seen in retrospect as such a disastrous conflict, had a peak of 16,899 American deaths in one year. That’s akin to year one of the AHCA.

Why would Bruce Poliquin vote for this bill? Why would 216 of his colleagues vote for this bill? Why would anyone vote for this bill?

About Phoenix McLaughlin
Phoenix McLaughlin works at the National Endowment for Democracy helping to foster political development in Asia. Phoenix lives in Washington, D.C. now, but was born and raised in Norway, Maine. In between, he has studied and/or worked in Colorado, Nepal, India, France, Ethiopia, and Augusta. All opinions expressed on this blog are solely his own and do not represent his current or former employers.

And the congressional budget office hasn't been right on any of its predictions...especially where obamacare is concerned because they can't score it based on dynamic factors.......get real

They may be off, but by how much? Are you saying no one will lose coverage when the expanded Medicaid programs are defunded by eight hundred million?

expanded Medicaid will be getting MORE money. States that don't expand, will get less. That's what Texas was bitching about..

Explain how $800,000,000 in cuts means more money for Medicaid. Price isn't saying that.
HHS Secretary Tom Price Defends AHCA's $1 Trillion Medicaid Cut

From your link
But Prince insisted Sunday, "There are no cuts to the Medicaid program," adding that resources were being apportioned "in a way that allows states greater flexibility."

 

[2aguy]

And this story is a lie......pure and simple......no AMerican is going to lose coverage because of this act...it is the authors opinion....he has nothing more to go on other than his opinion and his hatred of Republicans and conservatives....

Was this author as concerned about the AMericans forced into obamacare...who could not afford the premiums and who could now actually use it because the deductibles were in excess of 7,000 dollars a year? Where was he on that...how many people died because of that?

And on the VA......Vets are actually dying every day in the VA system...not because of their illness.....because they can't see a doctor to treat their illness....they have been put on fake waiting lists to hide the length of time they have to wait...and they die because of it...

Is the author campaigning against that system? Or the fact that the same people running that system are running obamacare?

Get real.....

Don't know about his article, but some American's will lose health insurance if the current bill is signed into law.

A lot of Americans lost coverage under obamacare...and they had insurance and were only kicked off because of obamacare....was this guy there complaining about that?

And a local radio host, Amy Jacobson recounted about friends of hers who were undergoing chemo treatment for cancer at Loyola and other hospitals...who were dropped because they lost their insurance because of obamacare......that was actually putting people in danger...did this guy complain about those cases?

The people who lost their insurer had access to another under Obamacare. They had to SWITCH insurers, not go without.

With much higher deductibles and copays.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. It is like a law of physics or something.

I know. Universal healthcare will require a huge chunk of taxes, but I'm willing to pay it. I am concerned the way the government so ineffectively manages the programs it's already got that we may end up paying somewhat more than we should, but it's inevitable. Universal healthcare will happen. Rather than fight it, everyone concerned about cost and effectiveness should be studying the system from top to bottom and finding ways to bring this Stay Puft Marshmallow Man under control.

Why don't we send people like you to the VA....since the people in charge of the VA are the ones who will be running universal healthcare.....