A few questions for the fundies

[hadit]

Nope. We did that to ourselves

How's that?

What about kids with cancer? You're giving your god a pass on that as well?

Are you suggesting that nothing that you view as bad - which is utterly subjective - should ever happen in the universe?

C'mon, god making kids be born deformed or with cancer...? Bad things in the universe, ok, but that? um... no, only a prick would even think of doing that.

I've heard young children complain that their punishment isn't fair. You're doing the same thing.

What exactly should a just God do when His creation rebels? It sounds like you think He should look the other way and ignore it because you don't like the consequences.

So what are those deformed children being punished for?

Rain falls on both the just and the unjust. They are victims of this messed up world we live in. They are also, in some cases, victims of the carelessness of their parents.

 

[Taz]

How's that?

What about kids with cancer? You're giving your god a pass on that as well?

Obviously, you are accusing God from ignorance, or pretending to be. If you truly don't know anything about original sin, I'll be glad to educate you.

So now you're going to say that it's man's fault babies are deformed.

It's ridiculous that a god would even have that situation where babies are born deformed or with cancer, and god not only made that happen, but doesn't care, and then blames it on humans. A total bastard.

Then you truly are arguing from ignorance. I could educate you, but I think it would be a wasted effort.

You have no response except to try to belittle me. Got it.

Do you want to be educated in the subject?

Sure, but be brief, and no copy&paste.

 

[Taz]

How's that?

What about kids with cancer? You're giving your god a pass on that as well?

Are you suggesting that nothing that you view as bad - which is utterly subjective - should ever happen in the universe?

C'mon, god making kids be born deformed or with cancer...? Bad things in the universe, ok, but that? um... no, only a prick would even think of doing that.

I've heard young children complain that their punishment isn't fair. You're doing the same thing.

What exactly should a just God do when His creation rebels? It sounds like you think He should look the other way and ignore it because you don't like the consequences.

So what are those deformed children being punished for?

Rain falls on both the just and the unjust. They are victims of this messed up world we live in. They are also, in some cases, victims of the carelessness of their parents.

So you're saying that if the world was more just, then there would be less babies born deformed, having Downs... or with cancer?

 

[hadit]

Obviously, you are accusing God from ignorance, or pretending to be. If you truly don't know anything about original sin, I'll be glad to educate you.

So now you're going to say that it's man's fault babies are deformed.

It's ridiculous that a god would even have that situation where babies are born deformed or with cancer, and god not only made that happen, but doesn't care, and then blames it on humans. A total bastard.

Then you truly are arguing from ignorance. I could educate you, but I think it would be a wasted effort.

You have no response except to try to belittle me. Got it.

Do you want to be educated in the subject?

Sure, but be brief, and no copy&paste.

The bottom line is that we were never meant to live in a world of decay where our bodies fall apart. We were supposed to be in a place of perfection, but our rebellion cost us that perfection. Perversion happens despite what God wants, not because of it.

 

[hadit]

Are you suggesting that nothing that you view as bad - which is utterly subjective - should ever happen in the universe?

C'mon, god making kids be born deformed or with cancer...? Bad things in the universe, ok, but that? um... no, only a prick would even think of doing that.

I've heard young children complain that their punishment isn't fair. You're doing the same thing.

What exactly should a just God do when His creation rebels? It sounds like you think He should look the other way and ignore it because you don't like the consequences.

So what are those deformed children being punished for?

Rain falls on both the just and the unjust. They are victims of this messed up world we live in. They are also, in some cases, victims of the carelessness of their parents.

So you're saying that if the world was more just, then there would be less babies born deformed, having Downs... or with cancer?

No, not until all disease is irradicated, and no prospective parents put things in their bodies that harm developing babies. We live in a decaying world and we can't fix it.

 

[Meriweather]

The bible says that god sent the flood. Are you saying that the bible is wrong?

The Bible was written by men, through human perspective of the time, with God as its inspiration. Slavery, romance, southern life in the 1860s, and the Civil War inspired Gone with the Wind. I cannot know all about the Civil War, slavery, romance, or even life in the 1860s by reading Gone with the Wind. All that book can do is open a door for me to research, study, and investigate real life topics--and I am going to learn about those topics viewed through the lens of all the experiences and knowledge accumulated since that time.

The Bible tells the story of a flood. It opens the door to its own topics, topics we view through all the experiences and knowledge accumulated since that time.

1. Natural disasters are not sent by God.
2. When the account mentions water covering the earth, it meant covering the ground as far as the eye could see. It covered their world, as they knew it, which is far different from covering a planet of which they knew nothing about.

The story's theme:

1. Tells us mankind was evil, that humans should never have been created.
2. Tells of a righteous man who heard God's voice, and obeyed.
3. Tells of man starting over.
4. Tells of weakness still inherent in the men who were survived.

Questions still pertinent today:

1. Are humans reaching their potential for goodness?
2. Why did only one man then hear God's voice, and why do only a few people ever hear God's voice today?
3. Is a huge populations of people living in a small area less conducive to righteous living?
4. How much better--or worse--are we from the people of Noah's day?

 

[Taz]

So now you're going to say that it's man's fault babies are deformed.

It's ridiculous that a god would even have that situation where babies are born deformed or with cancer, and god not only made that happen, but doesn't care, and then blames it on humans. A total bastard.

Then you truly are arguing from ignorance. I could educate you, but I think it would be a wasted effort.

You have no response except to try to belittle me. Got it.

Do you want to be educated in the subject?

Sure, but be brief, and no copy&paste.

The bottom line is that we were never meant to live in a world of decay where our bodies fall apart. We were supposed to be in a place of perfection, but our rebellion cost us that perfection. Perversion happens despite what God wants, not because of it.

How do you know what god wants? And why should I be punished for something someone else did?

 

[Taz]

C'mon, god making kids be born deformed or with cancer...? Bad things in the universe, ok, but that? um... no, only a prick would even think of doing that.

I've heard young children complain that their punishment isn't fair. You're doing the same thing.

What exactly should a just God do when His creation rebels? It sounds like you think He should look the other way and ignore it because you don't like the consequences.

So what are those deformed children being punished for?

Rain falls on both the just and the unjust. They are victims of this messed up world we live in. They are also, in some cases, victims of the carelessness of their parents.

So you're saying that if the world was more just, then there would be less babies born deformed, having Downs... or with cancer?

No, not until all disease is irradicated, and no prospective parents put things in their bodies that harm developing babies. We live in a decaying world and we can't fix it.

But some babies are born with defects without being near a contaminated source, or without their parents ingesting something bad.

 

[Taz]

The bible says that god sent the flood. Are you saying that the bible is wrong?

The Bible was written by men, through human perspective of the time, with God as its inspiration. Slavery, romance, southern life in the 1860s, and the Civil War inspired Gone with the Wind. I cannot know all about the Civil War, slavery, romance, or even life in the 1860s by reading Gone with the Wind. All that book can do is open a door for me to research, study, and investigate real life topics--and I am going to learn about those topics viewed through the lens of all the experiences and knowledge accumulated since that time.

The Bible tells the story of a flood. It opens the door to its own topics, topics we view through all the experiences and knowledge accumulated since that time.

1. Natural disasters are not sent by God.
2. When the account mentions water covering the earth, it meant covering the ground as far as the eye could see. It covered their world, as they knew it, which is far different from covering a planet of which they knew nothing about.

The story's theme:

1. Tells us mankind was evil, that humans should never have been created.
2. Tells of a righteous man who heard God's voice, and obeyed.
3. Tells of man starting over.
4. Tells of weakness still inherent in the men who were survived.

Questions still pertinent today:

1. Are humans reaching their potential for goodness?
2. Why did only one man then hear God's voice, and why do only a few people ever hear God's voice today?
3. Is a huge populations of people living in a small area less conducive to righteous living?
4. How much better--or worse--are we from the people of Noah's day?

So you’re comparing the bible to a book of fiction. I agree.

And anyone can attribute any meaning to the stories that they want, if we go by your explanation.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Do you believe God deliberately sends natural disasters

God would have had to send THAT disaster (Noah's flood) as it was crazy magic.

 

[Meriweather]

So you’re comparing the bible to a book of fiction. I agree.

And anyone can attribute any meaning to the stories that they want, if we go by your explanation.

You are actually starting to catch on. Perhaps there is hope. And, yes. People do attribute different meanings to the Bible. It is usually easy to pick out themes.

 

[hadit]

Then you truly are arguing from ignorance. I could educate you, but I think it would be a wasted effort.

You have no response except to try to belittle me. Got it.

Do you want to be educated in the subject?

Sure, but be brief, and no copy&paste.

The bottom line is that we were never meant to live in a world of decay where our bodies fall apart. We were supposed to be in a place of perfection, but our rebellion cost us that perfection. Perversion happens despite what God wants, not because of it.

How do you know what god wants? And why should I be punished for something someone else did?

I know that what He created was perfect. You get punished because you are guilty as well.

 

[hadit]

I've heard young children complain that their punishment isn't fair. You're doing the same thing.

What exactly should a just God do when His creation rebels? It sounds like you think He should look the other way and ignore it because you don't like the consequences.

So what are those deformed children being punished for?

Rain falls on both the just and the unjust. They are victims of this messed up world we live in. They are also, in some cases, victims of the carelessness of their parents.

So you're saying that if the world was more just, then there would be less babies born deformed, having Downs... or with cancer?

No, not until all disease is irradicated, and no prospective parents put things in their bodies that harm developing babies. We live in a decaying world and we can't fix it.

But some babies are born with defects without being near a contaminated source, or without their parents ingesting something bad.

I said nothing to contradict that.

 

[zaangalewa]

"Halt's ungewaschene Maul, Heinrich"? - whooow - perfect Nazi- slang! What do you associate with the popular name "Heinrich"? A Jew with the name Heinrich who should be murdered in new extermination camps - or "Heinrich Himmler" - one of the worst mass-murderers the world ever had seen since it is existing. One thing is for sure clear - you don't live in fear of Jews, Christians and god - otherwise you had done now only suicide.

Nevertheless I'm not sure you did not do so - and perhaps this had happened a long time ago, undead, so not much is alive any longer from the thoughts of god when he created you. You make the world to a bad place, your place.

Fortunately your world is not my world. I have to go now to bring some money to the "Sternsinger" = carol singers singing in the name of the three holy kings of wisdom and the star which leaded them to the birth of Jesus. While you attacked Christmas and Christians with your unqualified dead thoughts and your wasted deadly emotions, they collected money for people in the world who need help. You are not even worth to kiss the feet of this children, German children, undead. I will give them twice the money this year - one time also in your name. Perhaps this money is the only barrier between you and the hell which you seek.

Christmas was a month ago, you dumb Hermann.

You compare me with Herman Göring now, Nazi? What an evil willing simple minded character you are. You could be an interesting theme for a psychologist. Whatever. I have nothing to do with anything what you say. Nevertheless ends Christmas not only in Germany the Sunday after the 6th of January, where our orthodox sisters and brothers celebrate Christmas, while we celebrate the three holy kings of wisdom. Christmas is a wonderful time.

I thought all you nazis were looking for aliens?

Your problem is you enjoy it to hurt descendants of the victims of the holocaust. I would say in you exists what some people call "criminal energy".

Just stop calling me a Nazi. You reap what you sow.

Your impertinence is indeed astonishing. First you attack continuously the Torah and you call the g'd of the Jews a mass murderer - then you break international laws of many countries which are made to protect victims of genocides. You compared me - a descendent of Jewish victims of the Holocaust - with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler and Hermann Göring, because you are used to attack Christians and try to decry every reasonable argument with your stupid political propaganda. Your bad luck was to meet me. Not many like me survived in Germany under Hitler. I see very clear your verbal deeds, Nazi. From my point of view you are dangerous for everyone who has to do with you - whether you whine now because I have to see in you an Anti-semite and Nazi and to say that you are an Anti-Semite and a Nazi - what's a result of your own criminal behavior. Be happy that I am only a little wind and not the storm you sowed. Still you are not dead - still you have a chance - use it.

 

[zaangalewa]

... How do you know what god wants? ...

You know what god wants you to do. The question is not the existence of god, the question is your own existence. Without the vulnerability of a form, without a soul, without the living spirit of the god created center of your life, you are nothing else than the water, the formless matter, of the flood itself.

 

[DarkFury]

My questions for you when you've gain full power in this nation are:
1. Will I be able to live(at all) in your christian fundie nation 10 years from now?
2. Will I still be able to watch porno and have freaky sex with my wife?
3. Will I be able to talk about the shit I do today 10 years from now when you're fully in power? Meaning will I be allowed to discuss issues that have to do with LGBT?

Of course you can! We just need to build a co-ed prison for you to live in.

 

[Taz]

So you’re comparing the bible to a book of fiction. I agree.

And anyone can attribute any meaning to the stories that they want, if we go by your explanation.

You are actually starting to catch on. Perhaps there is hope. And, yes. People do attribute different meanings to the Bible. It is usually easy to pick out themes.

Ok, a lot of people here at least, think that the bible can be interpreted any number of ways. So my question is, why is MY interpretation of the bible wrong by everyone here, I mean, if everyone else has their own interpretation, and consider each one valid, why not mine? God, by what I read in the bible made everything in the universe, including cancer, disease... and raped a virgin to have a zombie child and murdered nearly all of humanity in a flood. Either accept it or then your version isn't acceptable either. Which is it?

 

[Taz]

You have no response except to try to belittle me. Got it.

Do you want to be educated in the subject?

Sure, but be brief, and no copy&paste.

The bottom line is that we were never meant to live in a world of decay where our bodies fall apart. We were supposed to be in a place of perfection, but our rebellion cost us that perfection. Perversion happens despite what God wants, not because of it.

How do you know what god wants? And why should I be punished for something someone else did?

I know that what He created was perfect. You get punished because you are guilty as well.

So the baby that's born severely deformed and retarded is guilty of what exactly? And you call that perfect?

 

[Taz]

So what are those deformed children being punished for?

Rain falls on both the just and the unjust. They are victims of this messed up world we live in. They are also, in some cases, victims of the carelessness of their parents.

So you're saying that if the world was more just, then there would be less babies born deformed, having Downs... or with cancer?

No, not until all disease is irradicated, and no prospective parents put things in their bodies that harm developing babies. We live in a decaying world and we can't fix it.

But some babies are born with defects without being near a contaminated source, or without their parents ingesting something bad.

I said nothing to contradict that.

So whose fault is that baby being born that way? I would say the god that created the baby. That is, if your contention is that god made everyone (in his own image).

 

[hadit]

Do you want to be educated in the subject?

Sure, but be brief, and no copy&paste.

The bottom line is that we were never meant to live in a world of decay where our bodies fall apart. We were supposed to be in a place of perfection, but our rebellion cost us that perfection. Perversion happens despite what God wants, not because of it.

How do you know what god wants? And why should I be punished for something someone else did?

I know that what He created was perfect. You get punished because you are guilty as well.

So the baby that's born severely deformed and retarded is guilty of what exactly? And you call that perfect?

Do you even read what I write before erupting emotionally? What God created was perfect until we messed it up. I'll type this slowly. That means it's no longer perfect.