A good argument to disarm the gun-grabbers

[2aguy]

Europe hundreds of gun deaths
America 30,000+ gun deaths.

I win.

You don't win anything....

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.

As more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%...

You fail.

Britain....banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate has gone up, not down. Their violent crime rate is skyrocketing....

You fail.

CDC ....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016...

gun suicide....22,938

Unintentional gun accidental death..

495

Gum murder...

2016......11,004

2017.....10,982

Tell us when the criminals you keep letting out of jail get their gun murder number over 1.1 million defensive gun uses by law abiding Americans...

You fail....

So many lies, so little time. You keep repeating the same lies over and over, you get busted for it, and then you repeat those lies again!

Fascinating.

How is quoting the exact statistics from the Centers for Disease Control a lie? And the 1.1 million defensive gun uses is also from the Centers for Disease Control....but you must like the number from the Department of Justice that puts defensive gun use at 1.5 million times a year....or maybe you prefer the obama, 2013 in depth, Centers for Disease Control research that put the existing research numbers at between 500,000 and 3 million times a year....

"As more Americans own and carry guns..." A lie.

"Britain....banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate has gone up, not down. Their violent crime rate is skyrocketing...." Another lie. And a lie of omission. I have busted you on this fucking bullshit so many times, and yet you keep repeating it. You are a fucking liar who knows he is lying. So fuck you.

Moron....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And now Britain...you moron...

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[2aguy]

Here is what idiots like 2aguy deliberately do not tell you:

Homicide rate UK: 0.92 per 100,000

Homicide rate US: 4.88 per 100,000

The US homicide rate is 5.3 TIMES HIGHER than the UK.

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!


In the UK, after the gun ban, gun homicides briefly spiked, but has since declined to levels far lower than prior to when the ban was enacted.

Tards like 2aguy always post charts which stop at the spike. This is deliberate.

No...moron......gun crime was up 42% in 2016 in London, 23% across England and Wales and last year it was up another 13%....it is going up...not down.....as criminals decide to use guns to commit crimes.....and your number stops at 2009....you dumb ass....

Here....up to 2017...you dumb ass....and gun murder is not the only category of gun crime you dumb ass...

Page 19 research paper homicide statistics House of Commons
27, May 1999

1972...31
1973...32
1974...51
1975...46
1976...45
1977...29
1978...40
1979...55
1980...24
1981...34
1982...46
1983...43
1984...67
1985...45
1986...51
1987...77
1988...36
1989...45

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UK-Firearm-crime-statistics.png

1990...60
1991...55
1992...56
1993...74
1994...66
1995...70
1996...49
1997...59
1998...54
1999...49
2000...62
2001...73
2002...97



2003...81
2004...68
2005...77
2006...50
2007...59
2008...53


2009...41
2010...41
2011...60

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2012...42
2013...30
2014...27
2015...19
2016...26
2017...32

 

[g5000]

Another fact 2aguy deliberately keeps out of his fucking "violent crime skyrocketed" bullshit is that when he says "Britain", that is a lie. Violent crime went up in London, not all of Britain.

Also, despite rising some, violent crime in Britain is still FAR BELOW the violent crime rate in the US.

If you have two murders a year, and then the next year you have three, idiot fucks like 2aguy scream, "Violent crime skyrocketed by 33 percent!"

If we have 400 murders a year, and then the next year we have 450, that translates to a 12.5 percent increase. But we would have 150 times as many murders as the country which only has three.

That's why idiot fucks like 2aguy are selective when they quote statistics.

I'm sick of your bullshit, 2aguy. You keep puking up the same horseshit, despite being busted for it time and time and time again.


Fuck you.

 

[2aguy]

Here is what idiots like 2aguy deliberately do not tell you:

Homicide rate UK: 0.92 per 100,000

Homicide rate US: 4.88 per 100,000

The US homicide rate is 5.3 TIMES HIGHER than the UK.

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!


In the UK, after the gun ban, gun homicides briefly spiked, but has since declined to levels far lower than prior to when the ban was enacted.

Tards like 2aguy always post charts which stop at the spike. This is deliberate.

You focus on gun murder because you know that shows nothing about gun crime in Britain..since their gun murder rates were low before they banned guns, in fact, our knife murder rate is higher than their total murder rate...

You are trying desparately to hide the fact that their gun crime rates are going up despite banning and confiscating guns...and in Australia, gun crime is also going up.....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

----

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

 

[g5000]

So as I was saying, it is a simple undeniable fact that advanced nations with strict gun control have much lower violent crime rates, and much lower homicide rates.

All the giant fonts and lies in the world cannot hide this simple fact.

Anyone who tries to deny it is a flat out asshole and congenital liar.

 

[g5000]

Here is what idiots like 2aguy deliberately do not tell you:

Homicide rate UK: 0.92 per 100,000

Homicide rate US: 4.88 per 100,000

The US homicide rate is 5.3 TIMES HIGHER than the UK.

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!


In the UK, after the gun ban, gun homicides briefly spiked, but has since declined to levels far lower than prior to when the ban was enacted.

Tards like 2aguy always post charts which stop at the spike. This is deliberate.

You focus on gun murder because you know that shows nothing about gun crime in Britain..since their gun murder rates were low before they banned guns, in fact, our knife murder rate is higher than their total murder rate...

You are trying desparately to hide the fact that their gun crime rates are going up despite banning and confiscating guns...and in Australia, gun crime is also going up.....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

----

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

See? These lying fucks post a "83 percent increase" in order to cover up this simple fact:

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

 

[2aguy]

Another fact 2aguy deliberately keeps out of his fucking "violent crime skyrocketed" bullshit is that when he says "Britain", that is a lie. Violent crime went up in London, not all of Britain.

Also, despite rising some, violent crime in Britain is still FAR BELOW the violent crime rate in the US.

If you have two murders a year, and then the next year you have three, idiot fucks like 2aguy scream, "Violent crime skyrocketed by 33 percent!"

If we have 400 murders a year, and then the next year we have 450, that translates to a 12.5 percent increase. But we would have 150 times as many murders as the country which only has three.

That's why idiot fucks like 2aguy are selective when they quote statistics.

I'm sick of your bullshit, 2aguy. You keep puking up the same horseshit, despite being busted for it time and time and time again.


Fuck you.

Hiding behind murder...because British gun control can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals...on an island...that banned and confiscated guns...

As to an increase in violence....


Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Pow

 

[Natural Citizen]

Not allowing you to buy another assault rifle is not a seizure of the guns you already have, retard.

It isn't even a ban on the further sale of ALL guns. It is an ASSAULT WEAPONS ban. It does not ban handguns.

All caught up now?

Dude. You know I'm probably gonna crush you in a gun rights debate, right? Because I'm like way more caught up than you might think I am. I'm a beast, g5000. Goshed darn beast, man.

 

[g5000]

When you have a low homicide rate, then one extra murder has a bigger percentage impact on that homicide rate than it does in a country like the U.S. where homicides are so much more prevalent that one more murder barely makes a dent in the percentages.

Dipshit innumerate morons like 2aguy just don't get it.

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

 

[2aguy]

Here is what idiots like 2aguy deliberately do not tell you:

Homicide rate UK: 0.92 per 100,000

Homicide rate US: 4.88 per 100,000

The US homicide rate is 5.3 TIMES HIGHER than the UK.

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!


In the UK, after the gun ban, gun homicides briefly spiked, but has since declined to levels far lower than prior to when the ban was enacted.

Tards like 2aguy always post charts which stop at the spike. This is deliberate.

You focus on gun murder because you know that shows nothing about gun crime in Britain..since their gun murder rates were low before they banned guns, in fact, our knife murder rate is higher than their total murder rate...

You are trying desparately to hide the fact that their gun crime rates are going up despite banning and confiscating guns...and in Australia, gun crime is also going up.....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

----

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

See? These lying fucks post a "83 percent increase" in order to cover up this simple fact:

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

What part of increasing gun crime on two islands that banned and confiscated guns do you not understand? Criminals on those islands that banned and confiscated guns are getting guns....they are using guns...they are not using those guns to murder people.....they are getting guns despite their gun control laws...and the only thing that keeps them from having mass public shootings is bad shooting by public shooters and a lack of desire to shoot more people..since they already have illegal guns and are shooting them in public places...

 

[2aguy]

When you have a low homicide rate, then one extra murder has a bigger percentage impact on that homicide rate than it does in a country like the U.S. where homicides are so much more prevalent that one more murder barely makes a dent in the percentages.

Dipshit innumerate morons like 2aguy just don't get it.

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

A moron like you has to lie.....British and Australian criminals do not commit murder the same way criminals in the U.S. do.....they shoot to wound as a warning or as a punishment, not to kill.....that is changing....their drug gangs are getting more violent, as their police forces are hamstrung by people like g500...

 

[g5000]

Not allowing you to buy another assault rifle is not a seizure of the guns you already have, retard.

It isn't even a ban on the further sale of ALL guns. It is an ASSAULT WEAPONS ban. It does not ban handguns.

All caught up now?

Dude. You know I'm probably gonna crush you in a gun rights debate, right?

Dude. No one ever has.

All you jackasses do is move the goalposts when you are busted. It's a never ending game.

As evidence of "all guns being seized", a link to an ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN was posted. It takes a special kind of retard to think that proved the case of "all guns being seized".

 

[g5000]

When you have a low homicide rate, then one extra murder has a bigger percentage impact on that homicide rate than it does in a country like the U.S. where homicides are so much more prevalent that one more murder barely makes a dent in the percentages.

Dipshit innumerate morons like 2aguy just don't get it.

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

A moron like you has to lie.....British and Australian criminals do not commit murder the same way criminals in the U.S. do.....they shoot to wound as a warning or as a punishment, not to kill.....that is changing....their drug gangs are getting more violent, as their police forces are hamstrung by people like g500...

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

 

[g5000]

Australians will have to get very, very, very busy to increase their homicide rate by 2100 percent.

 

[2aguy]

When you have a low homicide rate, then one extra murder has a bigger percentage impact on that homicide rate than it does in a country like the U.S. where homicides are so much more prevalent that one more murder barely makes a dent in the percentages.

Dipshit innumerate morons like 2aguy just don't get it.

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

A moron like you has to lie.....British and Australian criminals do not commit murder the same way criminals in the U.S. do.....they shoot to wound as a warning or as a punishment, not to kill.....that is changing....their drug gangs are getting more violent, as their police forces are hamstrung by people like g500...

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

Criminals in Australia don't shoot to kill.....but, you doofus, they are getting illegal guns easily on an island that banned and confiscated guns....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

 

[2aguy]

Australians will have to get very, very, very busy to increase their homicide rate by 2100 percent.

Yes....lie....focus on gun murder to desperately try to hide the fact that Australian gun control is a failure....and as Australian criminals decide to kill instead of wound, their gun control laws will not stop it...

 

[g5000]

When you have a low homicide rate, then one extra murder has a bigger percentage impact on that homicide rate than it does in a country like the U.S. where homicides are so much more prevalent that one more murder barely makes a dent in the percentages.

Dipshit innumerate morons like 2aguy just don't get it.

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

A moron like you has to lie.....British and Australian criminals do not commit murder the same way criminals in the U.S. do.....they shoot to wound as a warning or as a punishment, not to kill.....that is changing....their drug gangs are getting more violent, as their police forces are hamstrung by people like g500...

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

Criminals in Australia don't shoot to kill.....but, you doofus, they are getting illegal guns easily on an island that banned and confiscated guns....

And yet they just haven't been able to increase their homicide rate by 2100 percent to catch up to us!

Gun homicide rate in Australia: 0.16 per 100,000

Gun homicide rate in US: 3.43.

21 times higher than Australia!

 

[g5000]

In advanced nations like ours, gun bans and seizures achieve the intended goal. They reduce homicide rates drastically.

This is an undeniable fact. And yet we have deluded idiots who cannot accept this reality.

Sad.

 

[2aguy]

In advanced nations like ours, gun bans and seizures achieve the intended goal. They reduce homicide rates drastically.

This is an undeniable fact. And yet we have deluded idiots who cannot accept this reality.

Sad.

They don't achieve the goal in Britain or Australia, where they banned and confiscated guns on islands, you dumb ass.....

And you can't explain why our gun crime rates went down as more Americans own and carry guns......which according to you can't happen...yet it did happen...showing you don't know anything about the topic...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Dude. No one ever has.

All you jackasses do is move the goalposts when you are busted. It's a never ending game.

As evidence of "all guns being seized", a link to an ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN was posted. It takes a special kind of retard to think that proved the case of "all guns being seized".

Yeah, see, I don't really do the goal post thing. No. Huh uh. Not really.