A question for the anti-choice crowd.

[koshergrl]

In other words, you're full of shit. Otherwise you'd have no problem telling us what state you live in, so we could confirm your claim.

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In other words, the state is irrelevant, the facts I stated are. Seems you can't handle the truth and divert. You don't need to confirm the claim. The state has already done it for you. Are you claiming they're wrong?

Except they aren't fact. They are claims that you are making, that can't be verified. Like I said, you're full of shit.

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Like I've told you before, whether or not you accept it doesn't change the facts. You Liberal morons think that if you claim something isn't true, it makes it untrue because of your claim.

No you just claiming it is true doesn't make it true.

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I agree. That's why I used numbers to back it up not just a baseless claim.

It's useless. These progressive nutbags are useless, their brains don't work and we need to get rid of them.

 

[Conservative65]

One where the only blue district in the state gets so much in freeloading handouts it makes the rest of the red districts look bad. It's the poorest district in the state by far and has a median income that is $8000 less than the closest red one constituting a 21% difference. If it weren't for all those freeloaders there embarrassing us, you wouldn't be able to misrepresent what you're trying to misrepresent.

Funny thing about that district it is was created to appease a bunch of whining minorities. The only way they could ever get one of their own elected was to have the system create a district where one couldn't lose. I guess when you can't win by what you offer, you get the system changed to give you an advantage making it appear as if you really accomplished something.

Oh! You live in the state of Denial. That explains a lot.

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I live in a state where the blue district makes the rest of us look bad. You don't have to believe the information. That it's true is not determined by whether or not you accept it but on what the numbers show.

Okay. My claim is true too, because I said so, just like you.

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My claim is true because I used real numbers.

Because you pulled numbers out of your ass doesn't make your claim true.

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That's the first time I've heard information that was obtained through the census bureau and the U.S. House referred to as having been pulled from one's ass.

 

[Czernobog]

Oh! You live in the state of Denial. That explains a lot.

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I live in a state where the blue district makes the rest of us look bad. You don't have to believe the information. That it's true is not determined by whether or not you accept it but on what the numbers show.

Okay. My claim is true too, because I said so, just like you.

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My claim is true because I used real numbers.

Because you pulled numbers out of your ass doesn't make your claim true.

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That's the first time I've heard information that was obtained through the census bureau and the U.S. House referred to as having been pulled from one's ass.

Except there is no way to to confirm that you did not pull those numbers out of your ass. Just because you claim they are true, and accurate, does not make it so. You can throw out any numbers that you want, and claim they come from any source you'd like. However, the fact that you will not allow independent verification suggests that the numbers are bullshit, and you know it.

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[Czernobog]

In other words, the state is irrelevant, the facts I stated are. Seems you can't handle the truth and divert. You don't need to confirm the claim. The state has already done it for you. Are you claiming they're wrong?

Except they aren't fact. They are claims that you are making, that can't be verified. Like I said, you're full of shit.

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Like I've told you before, whether or not you accept it doesn't change the facts. You Liberal morons think that if you claim something isn't true, it makes it untrue because of your claim.

No you just claiming it is true doesn't make it true.

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I agree. That's why I used numbers to back it up not just a baseless claim.

It's useless. These progressive nutbags are useless, their brains don't work and we need to get rid of them.

What's useless if pulling numbers out of your ass, and making unconfirmed claims. If he wants to be taken seriously, all he need to is tell us from which state he is getting his number a, so that his claims could be verified. The fact that he is unwilling to do so, suggests that his claims are...inaccurate.


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[Faun]

You spoiled nothing. In an unguarded moment of clarity, you let your true feelings slip out. Then you tried to cover your tracks by idiotically claiming people are things who can be referred to as "it."

So show a post where you've ever done that. Show a post where you referred to a living, breathing person as "it." I'm not looking for examples of how "it" can be applied.... I'm looking for evidence you've ever called a person, "it."

No... again, you illiterate hick... I used the appropriate 'nominative pronoun' and you attempted to ignorantly question it because you're a moron who doesn't know any better. I don't need to show you anything other than what I already have. If that's not good enough for you, then you can go fuck yourself. I don't really give a shit.

the definition of it's

used to represent a person or animal understood, previously mentioned, or about to be mentioned whose gender is unknown or disregarded.

So you've never called a living, breathing person, "it" before; but you expect folks to believe you really do think of a fetus as a person.

Sure, uh-huh.

Nope, I call living breathing persons "it" all the time when it's appropriate... as do most people who comprehend basic English grammar. You're apparently the only idiot who doesn't know what a "nominative pronoun" is.

I think of a fetus as a human being because that's what it IS.

So prove it, don't just claim it.... link to a post where you ever referred to a living, breathing person, as "it."

You're approaching 15,000 posts. If that's something you do, as you claim you do, it should be easy for you to link multiple examples......

nominative pronouns:
I, you, he, she, it, they, and we
nominative pronouns:
I, you, he, she, it, they, and we
nominative pronouns:
I, you, he, she, it, they, and we

...keep repeating... you'll get it!

Great, again with the strawmen.

I know what it is. I'm saying you don't use it when speaking of living, breathing people. If you did, you would have posted a link to where you did by now instead of repeatedly resorting to strawmen.

You slipped up and referred to a fetus as an "it" because you don't believe it's a person. Everyone here saw you do it.

 

[Czernobog]

In my state, the poorest district has a median income of $9,800. The population is 63% white, and voted Republican by a 21% margin in the last election. The county has a 24% higher high school drop out rate than the nearest Democratic district. There is a 62% higher incidence of teen pregnancy in this one red district, than any other district in the state, and 34% more abortions.

Again, I'm not going to tell you what state I live in, so you can't confirm any of this, but, by your standards, because I said it, and used "real" numbers, then you must accept it as a true, and accurate fact.

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[Faun]

My experience has been, when people start resorting to straw man arguments they've lost the debate.

Remember that next time you give examples of nominative pronouns when I challenge you to prove you ever called a living breathing person an "it."

 

[Conservative65]

I live in a state where the blue district makes the rest of us look bad. You don't have to believe the information. That it's true is not determined by whether or not you accept it but on what the numbers show.

Okay. My claim is true too, because I said so, just like you.

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My claim is true because I used real numbers.

Because you pulled numbers out of your ass doesn't make your claim true.

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That's the first time I've heard information that was obtained through the census bureau and the U.S. House referred to as having been pulled from one's ass.

Except there is no way to to confirm that you did not pull those numbers out of your ass. Just because you claim they are true, and accurate, does not make it so. You can throw out any numbers that you want, and claim they come from any source you'd like. However, the fact that you will not allow independent verification suggests that the numbers are bullshit, and you know it.

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Just because you don't accept them, doesn't make them false. That you don't accept something because you don't like what it says, makes you full of shit.

They've been independently verified by the Census bureau and the House of Representatives.

 

[Conservative65]

Except they aren't fact. They are claims that you are making, that can't be verified. Like I said, you're full of shit.

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Like I've told you before, whether or not you accept it doesn't change the facts. You Liberal morons think that if you claim something isn't true, it makes it untrue because of your claim.

No you just claiming it is true doesn't make it true.

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I agree. That's why I used numbers to back it up not just a baseless claim.

It's useless. These progressive nutbags are useless, their brains don't work and we need to get rid of them.

What's useless if pulling numbers out of your ass, and making unconfirmed claims. If he wants to be taken seriously, all he need to is tell us from which state he is getting his number a, so that his claims could be verified. The fact that he is unwilling to do so, suggests that his claims are...inaccurate.


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You aren't really worried about the state from which the numbers came. Your problem centers around you not liking what they says and we both know that's the reason.

 

[Andylusion]

In my state, the poorest district has a median income of $9,800. The population is 63% white, and voted Republican by a 21% margin in the last election. The county has a 24% higher high school drop out rate than the nearest Democratic district. There is a 62% higher incidence of teen pregnancy in this one red district, than any other district in the state, and 34% more abortions.

Again, I'm not going to tell you what state I live in, so you can't confirm any of this, but, by your standards, because I said it, and used "real" numbers, then you must accept it as a true, and accurate fact.

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You are making connections that are not there to make.

Many times the people in the poorest areas, know that socialism doesn't work, that's why they vote for the other side.

Plus, the use of social programs, by any particular group, does not mean they support the social programs.

I personally would much rather have a free market, and keep my money, and thus pay for my own health insurance.

But thanks to left-wing crap, I pay thousands of dollars in taxes, even though I barely earn $20,000 a year, and at the same time, the cost of health insurance has drastically gone up since the creation of Obama Care.

So, I am in the subsidized market. You are paying my health insurance. But just because I'm part of that program, doesn't mean I support that program. I would vote against it at any chance. But the incentives you, and left-wingers like you have created, means I am going to take every tax dollar you people are dumb enough to give me.

So when people say "such and such a state or area, collects millions of Federal Tax dollars, and yet they vote republican".... yeah.... so what? That doesn't mean anything. You steal their money in taxes, and offer hand outs... yeah, they are going to take the handouts, even though they don't want them.

 

[Czernobog]

Oh, I'm sorry, did I forget to mention that fully 64% of the residents of that district receive Medicare, and SNAP?

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[Divine Wind]

....If something DIES... it must have been living. Therefore, if there has been a "miscarriage" there was a life. If something has "self-aborted" it has aborted the process of life.

There ya go again, conflating the differences between "living" and "human being" again.

That last McDonald's hamburger you ate used to be a living being. Will you continue eating meat or will you only eat non-living matter? Plants are living organisms too, so I guess you're about to get real skinny.

The fact you refuse to see your hypocrisy and lack of knowledge reveals you to be the true moron here. You're a spineless, emotional mess just like Chris Crocker.

 

[Czernobog]

In my state, the poorest district has a median income of $9,800. The population is 63% white, and voted Republican by a 21% margin in the last election. The county has a 24% higher high school drop out rate than the nearest Democratic district. There is a 62% higher incidence of teen pregnancy in this one red district, than any other district in the state, and 34% more abortions.

Again, I'm not going to tell you what state I live in, so you can't confirm any of this, but, by your standards, because I said it, and used "real" numbers, then you must accept it as a true, and accurate fact.

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You are making connections that are not there to make.

Many times the people in the poorest areas, know that socialism doesn't work, that's why they vote for the other side.

Plus, the use of social programs, by any particular group, does not mean they support the social programs.

I personally would much rather have a free market, and keep my money, and thus pay for my own health insurance.

But thanks to left-wing crap, I pay thousands of dollars in taxes, even though I barely earn $20,000 a year, and at the same time, the cost of health insurance has drastically gone up since the creation of Obama Care.

So, I am in the subsidized market. You are paying my health insurance. But just because I'm part of that program, doesn't mean I support that program. I would vote against it at any chance. But the incentives you, and left-wingers like you have created, means I am going to take every tax dollar you people are dumb enough to give me.

So when people say "such and such a state or area, collects millions of Federal Tax dollars, and yet they vote republican".... yeah.... so what? That doesn't mean anything. You steal their money in taxes, and offer hand outs... yeah, they are going to take the handouts, even though they don't want them.

Yes because we force them to apply for public assistance. We take them at gunpoint, and tell them we will chop the heads off their children, I'd they do not apply for aid. What a cop out. If I do not believe in something, I am not going to hypocritically make use of the very system I insist is destroying our country.

You can justify it any way you like. Either stop taking the "hand outs", or just say "thank you" for the assistance. But, when you take the money, then call me a thief for taking the money, then you are just a hypocrite with zero credibility.

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[koshergrl]

In my state, the poorest district has a median income of $9,800. The population is 63% white, and voted Republican by a 21% margin in the last election. The county has a 24% higher high school drop out rate than the nearest Democratic district. There is a 62% higher incidence of teen pregnancy in this one red district, than any other district in the state, and 34% more abortions.

Again, I'm not going to tell you what state I live in, so you can't confirm any of this, but, by your standards, because I said it, and used "real" numbers, then you must accept it as a true, and accurate fact.

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You are making connections that are not there to make.

Many times the people in the poorest areas, know that socialism doesn't work, that's why they vote for the other side.

Plus, the use of social programs, by any particular group, does not mean they support the social programs.

I personally would much rather have a free market, and keep my money, and thus pay for my own health insurance.

But thanks to left-wing crap, I pay thousands of dollars in taxes, even though I barely earn $20,000 a year, and at the same time, the cost of health insurance has drastically gone up since the creation of Obama Care.

So, I am in the subsidized market. You are paying my health insurance. But just because I'm part of that program, doesn't mean I support that program. I would vote against it at any chance. But the incentives you, and left-wingers like you have created, means I am going to take every tax dollar you people are dumb enough to give me.

So when people say "such and such a state or area, collects millions of Federal Tax dollars, and yet they vote republican".... yeah.... so what? That doesn't mean anything. You steal their money in taxes, and offer hand outs... yeah, they are going to take the handouts, even though they don't want them.

Generally what it means is that Democrats have leveled punishing policies against them, and forced them into programs that they would NEVER vote for themselves.

Dems shut down industry and development in areas where the people refuse to vote for them, then plant their fat asses in those areas, hire the now-unemployed locals to work for the government, and pull everybody into the entitlement trap. That's the way it works. As they say in Burns, Oregon, now..."Burns. Where you work for the government. Or not at all. "

 

[koshergrl]

....If something DIES... it must have been living. Therefore, if there has been a "miscarriage" there was a life. If something has "self-aborted" it has aborted the process of life.

There ya go again, conflating the differences between "living" and "human being" again.

That last McDonald's hamburger you ate used to be a living being. Will you continue eating meat or will you only eat non-living matter? Plants are living organisms too, so I guess you're about to get real skinny.

The fact you refuse to see your hypocrisy and lack of knowledge reveals you to be the true moron here. You're a spineless, emotional mess just like Chris Crocker.

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So it's proper English to refer to "harvesting" as "aborting" vegetables? Harvest = miscarriage?

Give me a fucking break. You loons crack me up.

 

[Conservative65]

In my state, the poorest district has a median income of $9,800. The population is 63% white, and voted Republican by a 21% margin in the last election. The county has a 24% higher high school drop out rate than the nearest Democratic district. There is a 62% higher incidence of teen pregnancy in this one red district, than any other district in the state, and 34% more abortions.

Again, I'm not going to tell you what state I live in, so you can't confirm any of this, but, by your standards, because I said it, and used "real" numbers, then you must accept it as a true, and accurate fact.

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You are making connections that are not there to make.

Many times the people in the poorest areas, know that socialism doesn't work, that's why they vote for the other side.

Plus, the use of social programs, by any particular group, does not mean they support the social programs.

I personally would much rather have a free market, and keep my money, and thus pay for my own health insurance.

But thanks to left-wing crap, I pay thousands of dollars in taxes, even though I barely earn $20,000 a year, and at the same time, the cost of health insurance has drastically gone up since the creation of Obama Care.

So, I am in the subsidized market. You are paying my health insurance. But just because I'm part of that program, doesn't mean I support that program. I would vote against it at any chance. But the incentives you, and left-wingers like you have created, means I am going to take every tax dollar you people are dumb enough to give me.

So when people say "such and such a state or area, collects millions of Federal Tax dollars, and yet they vote republican".... yeah.... so what? That doesn't mean anything. You steal their money in taxes, and offer hand outs... yeah, they are going to take the handouts, even though they don't want them.

Some of that tax money you're willing to take every dollar of comes from those of us that aren't dumb but are still forced to pay it.

 

[Chuz Life]

At some point in growth, a fetus becomes a human being. By law, based on science, that is 24 weeks.

No... By LAW... that is when the fetus becomes "viable" ...not when it becomes a human being.

By SCIENCE it becomes a human being the moment the fused egg cell produces another cell.

If there is "growth" then logic should tell you SOMETHING is alive and growing... if it's not a human organism, tell us what it is?

It does NOT "at some point in growth" begin to be what it already is and what it was from the moment it began growing.

Agreed on the legal point.

I'd love to see your evidence that a zygote is a human being.

hu·man be·ing
noun

1. a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

Let's try some deductive reasoning to see how intellectually honest you are about this topic.

1. This from Planned Parenthood:
zygote
The single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm.

2. This if from the Unborn Victims of Violence Act:
(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections1111 (murder), 1112 (manslaughter), and 1113 (attempted murder) of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.

3. Consider This from Dianne N. Irving, M.A., Ph.D.of Princeton University:
"upon fertilization, parts of human beings have actually been transformed into something very different from what they were before; they have been changed into a single, whole human being. During the process of fertilization, the sperm and the oocyte cease to exist as such, and a new human being is produced.

4. Then, you might consider the science about aging:
"Aging is a process that begins at conception and continues for as long as we live. At any given time throughout our lifespan, the body reflects:

• its genetic component and
• its environmental experience."
  

5. Lastly, I will leave you with some simple questions. "What is it that makes your biological father YOUR biological father and when or how did he first become YOUR biological parent?

 

[Divine Wind]

At some point in growth, a fetus becomes a human being. By law, based on science, that is 24 weeks.

No... By LAW... that is when the fetus becomes "viable" ...not when it becomes a human being.

By SCIENCE it becomes a human being the moment the fused egg cell produces another cell.

If there is "growth" then logic should tell you SOMETHING is alive and growing... if it's not a human organism, tell us what it is?

It does NOT "at some point in growth" begin to be what it already is and what it was from the moment it began growing.

Agreed on the legal point.

I'd love to see your evidence that a zygote is a human being.

hu·man be·ing
noun

1. a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

Let's try some deductive reasoning to see how intellectually honest you are about this topic.

1. This from Planned Parenthood:
zygote
The single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm.

2. This if from the Unborn Victims of Violence Act:
(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections1111 (murder), 1112 (manslaughter), and 1113 (attempted murder) of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.

3. Consider This from Dianne N. Irving, M.A., Ph.D.of Princeton University:
"upon fertilization, parts of human beings have actually been transformed into something very different from what they were before; they have been changed into a single, whole human being. During the process of fertilization, the sperm and the oocyte cease to exist as such, and a new human being is produced.

4. Then, you might consider the science about aging:
"Aging is a process that begins at conception and continues for as long as we live. At any given time throughout our lifespan, the body reflects:

• its genetic component and
• its environmental experience."

5. Lastly, I will leave you with some simple questions. "What is it that makes your biological father YOUR biological father and when or how did he first become YOUR biological parent?

You should play your word games with Boss and grrl.

The bottom line here is that I'm sick and tired of fucking assholes who run around telling others how to live, what to think and what to do. It was bad enough when the fucking Democrats did it, but when the Republicans started doing it in the 80s, it left a lot of Americans anchorless. It's only gotten worse in the past couple decades which is why so many people have left both parties to become Independents.

 

[Czernobog]

In my state, the poorest district has a median income of $9,800. The population is 63% white, and voted Republican by a 21% margin in the last election. The county has a 24% higher high school drop out rate than the nearest Democratic district. There is a 62% higher incidence of teen pregnancy in this one red district, than any other district in the state, and 34% more abortions.

Again, I'm not going to tell you what state I live in, so you can't confirm any of this, but, by your standards, because I said it, and used "real" numbers, then you must accept it as a true, and accurate fact.

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You are making connections that are not there to make.

Many times the people in the poorest areas, know that socialism doesn't work, that's why they vote for the other side.

Plus, the use of social programs, by any particular group, does not mean they support the social programs.

I personally would much rather have a free market, and keep my money, and thus pay for my own health insurance.

But thanks to left-wing crap, I pay thousands of dollars in taxes, even though I barely earn $20,000 a year, and at the same time, the cost of health insurance has drastically gone up since the creation of Obama Care.

So, I am in the subsidized market. You are paying my health insurance. But just because I'm part of that program, doesn't mean I support that program. I would vote against it at any chance. But the incentives you, and left-wingers like you have created, means I am going to take every tax dollar you people are dumb enough to give me.

So when people say "such and such a state or area, collects millions of Federal Tax dollars, and yet they vote republican".... yeah.... so what? That doesn't mean anything. You steal their money in taxes, and offer hand outs... yeah, they are going to take the handouts, even though they don't want them.

Some of that tax money you're willing to take every dollar of comes from those of us that aren't dumb but are still forced to pay it.

You mean some of that money you're willing to take? And you can't say you're not willing to take it, because you are taking it.

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[Chuz Life]

At some point in growth, a fetus becomes a human being. By law, based on science, that is 24 weeks.

No... By LAW... that is when the fetus becomes "viable" ...not when it becomes a human being.

By SCIENCE it becomes a human being the moment the fused egg cell produces another cell.

If there is "growth" then logic should tell you SOMETHING is alive and growing... if it's not a human organism, tell us what it is?

It does NOT "at some point in growth" begin to be what it already is and what it was from the moment it began growing.

Agreed on the legal point.

I'd love to see your evidence that a zygote is a human being.

hu·man be·ing
noun

1. a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

Let's try some deductive reasoning to see how intellectually honest you are about this topic.

1. This from Planned Parenthood:
zygote
The single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm.

2. This if from the Unborn Victims of Violence Act:
(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections1111 (murder), 1112 (manslaughter), and 1113 (attempted murder) of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.

3. Consider This from Dianne N. Irving, M.A., Ph.D.of Princeton University:
"upon fertilization, parts of human beings have actually been transformed into something very different from what they were before; they have been changed into a single, whole human being. During the process of fertilization, the sperm and the oocyte cease to exist as such, and a new human being is produced.

4. Then, you might consider the science about aging:
"Aging is a process that begins at conception and continues for as long as we live. At any given time throughout our lifespan, the body reflects:

• its genetic component and
• its environmental experience."

5. Lastly, I will leave you with some simple questions. "What is it that makes your biological father YOUR biological father and when or how did he first become YOUR biological parent?

You should play your word games with Boss and grrl.

The bottom line here is that I'm sick and tired of fucking assholes who run around telling others how to live, what to think and what to do. It was bad enough when the fucking Democrats did it, but when the Republicans started doing it in the 80s, it left a lot of Americans anchorless. It's only gotten worse in the past couple decades which is why so many people have left both parties to become Independents.

At some point in growth, a fetus becomes a human being. By law, based on science, that is 24 weeks.

No... By LAW... that is when the fetus becomes "viable" ...not when it becomes a human being.

By SCIENCE it becomes a human being the moment the fused egg cell produces another cell.

If there is "growth" then logic should tell you SOMETHING is alive and growing... if it's not a human organism, tell us what it is?

It does NOT "at some point in growth" begin to be what it already is and what it was from the moment it began growing.

Agreed on the legal point.

I'd love to see your evidence that a zygote is a human being.

hu·man be·ing
noun

1. a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

Let's try some deductive reasoning to see how intellectually honest you are about this topic.

1. This from Planned Parenthood:
zygote
The single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm.

2. This if from the Unborn Victims of Violence Act:
(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections1111 (murder), 1112 (manslaughter), and 1113 (attempted murder) of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.

3. Consider This from Dianne N. Irving, M.A., Ph.D.of Princeton University:
"upon fertilization, parts of human beings have actually been transformed into something very different from what they were before; they have been changed into a single, whole human being. During the process of fertilization, the sperm and the oocyte cease to exist as such, and a new human being is produced.

4. Then, you might consider the science about aging:
"Aging is a process that begins at conception and continues for as long as we live. At any given time throughout our lifespan, the body reflects:

• its genetic component and
• its environmental experience."

5. Lastly, I will leave you with some simple questions. "What is it that makes your biological father YOUR biological father and when or how did he first become YOUR biological parent?

You should play your word games with Boss and grrl.

The bottom line here is that I'm sick and tired of fucking assholes who run around telling others how to live, what to think and what to do. It was bad enough when the fucking Democrats did it, but when the Republicans started doing it in the 80s, it left a lot of Americans anchorless. It's only gotten worse in the past couple decades which is why so many people have left both parties to become Independents.

It's sad that children are being killed by people who share your ignorance and your denials and you are so invested in that ignorance that you have to characterize the debate as a word game or play on words.

Fortunately, this issue will eventually be resolved in favor of the lives and the rights of children in the womb despite your outrage and mis-characterizations.

If there is a silver lining, it's found in the way that opponents like you are helping anti-aborts such as myself to refine our arguments and you are helping us to show others how shallow your thinking really is.