A Question of 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

[DiveCon]

bullshit..kenndy gave speech's on communism and called it communism and when he spoke of secret societies he called them secret societies...

its just YOU nutters that called it secret societies

so kenndy was a nutter and you are a ?????

no, moron, you are calling them that, Kennedy never did

 

[Big_D]

first off I NEVER SAID Edgar said it was an inside job...he said what he said..it is there to be read...



in the fact a real investigation has not been done and a real independent investigation is required and he is a signatory to the petition and endorses it...and petition also signed hy many top level x military that clearly say.... cover up and an inside job




Patriots Question 9/11 - Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report


You say you can site experts for your side and give his name with credentials.

Patriots Question 9/11 - Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

you have flawed science that allows for a mathematically impossible series of highly improbable events all occurring in order to try and fit science to the story

As I have shown you on many different occasions, there are countless engineering/physics experts that don't believe it was impossible.

 

[Mr. Jones]

It is only those who benefit most from ‘conspiracies’ who have an inherent bias against them. Those who benefit from ‘conspiracy’ have vested interests in discounting them.

Nonsense.

I have been named in not one, but two conspiracies. If you google my name (and no, my name isn't "Toro") you will find people have written about me being involved in a conspiracy. And it is all absolute bullshit.

I had always been highly suspicious of alleged conspiracies involving shadowy groups, involved in nefarious dealings, linked by circumstantial and anecdotal evidence. After actually being named in one, with all these apparent fantastical dealings, I was even more convinced that most of them are garbage.

I had absolutely nothing to gain from my so-called involvement in this non-existent conspiracy, though I'm sure someone would find some reason why I would have benefited. After all, you can always find some reason why someone would benefit. So it certainly is not just "those who benefit most from ‘conspiracies’ who have an inherent bias against them."

The people in PNAC sure did.
So did Larry Silverstein, and all those involved with placing the put options. And many more. Your situation can't be judged since we don't know any details, and honestly wouldn't be something that's anybody's business, or concern, I'm sure whatever you were alleged to have been involved in wouldn't compare in scale to what we're talking about . Like I said the real conspiracy theory is the outrageous claim that 19 Arabs hijacked 4 planes with boxcutters led by a cave dwelling evil genius, and managed to coincidentally pick the exact same day that our air defenses were conducting mock
drills for the same scenario, and this managed to obliterate 2 -110 story skyscrapers AND a 3rd that wasn't hit by a plane. Good God WTF does it take for people to put a couple of brain cells together and see this shit just doesn't make sense. I can totally understand the level of disbelief one feels about this. I started out thinking there is no way anybody in our own government could be involved. I attended fundraisers, rally's, got so pissed off I wanted to kill those damned M-kers who did it. My brother at age 34 enlisted and did a tour in Iraq
and got his foot blown off. As time went by I set out to DISPROVE claims of gov. involvement, but then there were no WMDs, and the president said at a press conference, he didn't feel Bin Ladin was worth even thinking about, and that was after he tried to block an investigation. The more time I dedicated to learning about this, the more I found things that went against the gov's account. The biggest problem I have is that so many people are GDned scared to face this possibility, and deny the hell out it. Could some of you deniers tell me what is so far fetched about a 9-11 false flag op and coverup? I ask in all seriousness.

 

[Toro]

The people in PNAC sure did.
So did Larry Silverstein, and all those involved with placing the put options. And many more. Your situation can't be judged since we don't know any details, and honestly wouldn't be something that's anybody's business, or concern, I'm sure whatever you were alleged to have been involved in wouldn't compare in scale to what we're talking about .

Of course not. Nothing does. But the details are well known as it involved the collapse of one of the largest companies in the world. I was even called to Congress and testified in front of the Commerce Committee. So it was not inconsequential.

The biggest problem I have is that so many people are GDned scared to face this possibility, and deny the hell out it. Could some of you deniers tell me what is so far fetched about a 9-11 false flag op and coverup? I ask in all seriousness.

I am certainly not scared of any answer. And I am disgusted with the Republican party and think Bush was the worst President of my lifetime, so its not like I have a political axe to grind. I'd be more than happy to acknowledge that the conspiracists are correct if I thought they were. But the more I looked at their theories, the more dissuaded I became.

The greater and more elaborate the alleged conspiracy, the greater the burden of proof. For example, The fact that some people might benefit from an event does not mean they were involved in the event, whether it is PNAC or Larry Silverstein or whomever. Circumstantial, anecdotal or coincidental evidence - which is what the entire 9/11 conspiracy theories rely upon - does not prove anything. The fact that WMD or that that government mislead or lied about other things does not mean they are lying about 9/11. (Though of course you are not going to get the whole story out of the government. You don't get the whole story out of the government when your mail goes missing, so why would you expect to get the full story regarding of the greatest foreign attacks on our soil in the history of the nation?)

You asked about the stand-down, and told people to put a couple of brain cells together. Okay, what happened to the plane that crashed into the Pentagon? The conspiracists tell us that it was a cruise missile that hit the Pentagon. Well, where did all the passengers on the plane go? What happened to the plane? We have flight records that the plane took off. We have people who boarded the passengers and checked their luggage. We have flight controllers who tracked the plane. So where did it go? Planes just don't disappear.

 

[eots]

The people in PNAC sure did.
So did Larry Silverstein, and all those involved with placing the put options. And many more. Your situation can't be judged since we don't know any details, and honestly wouldn't be something that's anybody's business, or concern, I'm sure whatever you were alleged to have been involved in wouldn't compare in scale to what we're talking about .

Of course not. Nothing does. But the details are well known as it involved the collapse of one of the largest companies in the world. I was even called to Congress and testified in front of the Commerce Committee. So it was not inconsequential.

The biggest problem I have is that so many people are GDned scared to face this possibility, and deny the hell out it. Could some of you deniers tell me what is so far fetched about a 9-11 false flag op and coverup? I ask in all seriousness.

I am certainly not scared of any answer. And I am disgusted with the Republican party and think Bush was the worst President of my lifetime, so its not like I have a political axe to grind. I'd be more than happy to acknowledge that the conspiracists are correct if I thought they were. But the more I looked at their theories, the more dissuaded I became.

The greater and more elaborate the alleged conspiracy, the greater the burden of proof.

and the official unproven conspioracy theory does not meet the burdwen of proof

For example, The fact that some people might benefit from an event does not mean they were involved in the event, whether it is PNAC or Larry Silverstein or whomever. Circumstantial, anecdotal or coincidental evidence - which is what the entire 9/11 conspiracy theories rely upon - does not prove anything. The fact that WMD or that that government mislead or lied about other things does not mean they are lying about 9/11.

it speaks to character credibilty.. motivation ...

(Though of course you are not going to get the whole story out of the government. You don't get the whole story out of the government when your mail goes missing, so why would you expect to get the full story regarding of the greatest foreign attacks on our soil in the history of the nation?)

only be cause people axccept that..a real investigation under the terms of the petition wuold provide the answers

You asked about the stand-down

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the control of norad and shoot down orders where placed in cheanys hands just prior to 911..unprecidented,,,why ??



and told people to put a couple of brain cells together. Okay, what happened to the plane that crashed into the Pentagon? The conspiracists tell us that it was a cruise missile that hit the Pentagon.

Well, where did all the passengers on the plane go? What happened to the plane? We have flight records that the plane took off. We have people who boarded the passengers and checked their luggage. We have flight controllers who tracked the plane. So where did it go? Planes just don't disappear

we also have NORAD tac directors that say it is immposssible..we have one of the most cameraed buildings in America yet not one picture of a plane and 84 surveillance tapes still classified ..why ?..we have top gun fighter pilot's that eyewittnessee...what of there testimony ? we have military crash investigators that say this is not a plane crash...yet there expertise is now dismissed,, why ?..we have controlled media that ignores all of these distinguished patriots in favor of labeling it Rosie ODonald's conspiracy theorys..why ?





Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.
Video 7/11/06: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" http://www.und






Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career.

Licensed commercial pilot. Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic.
Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." Physics911, by Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven, 9/11/2001


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."

AND THE ONLY PLACE THESE MEN CAN GET A INTERVIEW IS IN INDEPENDENT FILM AND THE ALEX JONES SHOW....WHY ???

Signatory's of Petition to Release Information Pertaining to 9/11 10/5/06:

"We, the undersigned, demand the immediate declassification and release of:
all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice. It has been alleged that this urgent and out-of-the-ordinary meeting was called to discuss the increasingly dire warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack within the U.S. ...
the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI), and
the CIA Inspector General’s report, CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks

 

[Toro]

eots

Could you do me, and I assume most other people a favor? I'd really like to engage what you are saying, but it is too much to read, especially when I'm taking a break reading a long proposal for work. Instead, summarize it in a paragraph or two and provide a link to what you C&P. Thanks.

 

[eots]

the official conspiracy theory is unproven..has not meet the burden of proof and the fact that top level military personal are unable to get a interview or forum outside of Alex Jones and independent film and instead choose to refer to as rosies conspiracy theory to minipulate and control your thinking
why dont they call it Deets wacky conspiracy and interveiw him ?


Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 500 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[DiveCon]

the official conspiracy theory is unproven..has not meet the burden of proof and the fact that top level military personal are unable to get a interview or forum outside of Alex Jones and independent film and instead choose to refer to as rosies conspiracy theory to minipulate and control your thinking
why dont they call it Deets wacky conspiracy and interveiw him ?


<snipped bullshit that you have copy & pasted a MULTITUDE of time>

yes, anyone that believe this bullshit you continue to post is WACKY
the official story(as much as has been released) is correct and backed up by the evidence
only morons continue to think otherwise

 

[eots]

the official conspiracy theory is unproven..has not meet the burden of proof and the fact that top level military personal are unable to get a interview or forum outside of alex jones and independent film and instead choose to refer to as rosies conspiracy theory to minipulate and control your thinking
why dont they call it deets wacky conspiracy and interveiw him ?


<snipped bullshit that you have copy & pasted a multitude of time>

yes, anyone that believe this bullshit you continue to post is wacky
the official story(as much as has been released) is correct and backed up by the evidence
only morons continue to think otherwise

and the proof is what ?...mr moron...

 

[DiveCon]

the official conspiracy theory is unproven..has not meet the burden of proof and the fact that top level military personal are unable to get a interview or forum outside of alex jones and independent film and instead choose to refer to as rosies conspiracy theory to minipulate and control your thinking
why dont they call it deets wacky conspiracy and interveiw him ?


<snipped bullshit that you have copy & pasted a multitude of time>

yes, anyone that believe this bullshit you continue to post is wacky
the official story(as much as has been released) is correct and backed up by the evidence
only morons continue to think otherwise

and the proof is what ?...mr moron...

you post these things from your nutter websites and act as if that is proof, it is NOT
you are the moron, asshole

 

[Big_D]

the official conspiracy theory is unproven..has not meet the burden of proof and the fact that top level military personal are unable to get a interview or forum outside of Alex Jones and independent film and instead choose to refer to as rosies conspiracy theory to minipulate and control your thinking
why dont they call it Deets wacky conspiracy and interveiw him ?

As I have shown you, the 2002 and 2003 forensic engineer of the year winners have written papers that disagree with your opinion. I have also shown countless other engineering professors and experts that also disagree with you.

 

[DiveCon]

the official conspiracy theory is unproven..has not meet the burden of proof and the fact that top level military personal are unable to get a interview or forum outside of Alex Jones and independent film and instead choose to refer to as rosies conspiracy theory to minipulate and control your thinking
why dont they call it Deets wacky conspiracy and interveiw him ?

As I have shown you, the 2002 and 2003 forensic engineer of the year winners have written papers that disagree with your opinion. I have also shown countless other engineering professors and experts that also disagree with you.

it doesnt matter, he will only trust the lies he finds on his nutter troofer sites
facts dont matter
he cant even back up that these people he quotes actually support his shit

 

[Big_D]

One of many issues that I never understood about the conspiracy theorist point of view, is how they can believe the government could have placed explosives throughout the 110 WTC building without anyone noticing. The world record for a controlled demolition is the former 33 story J.L. Hudson Department Store. According to this article (Controlled Demolition, Inc. | Press Release) it took them 24 days to plant the explosives throughout this building, which was of course abandoned. Meanwhile, the conspirators believe that our govt could have placed explosives throughout two 110 story buildings which would obviously taken months if not years to finish. All at the same time they would have to be hiding the demolition and doing it without anyone noticing. According to this site (CBC News Indepth: September 11) the WTC had 80,000 visitors a day and had more than 55,000 workers employed there. However, none of these people reported seeing someone planting demolition nor did they find it hidden somewhere. A job of this undertaking would have certainly been uncovered by someone, yet it was not. Obviously, a conspiracy is impossible.

 

[DiveCon]

One of many issues that I never understood about the conspiracy theorist point of view, is how they can believe the government could have placed explosives throughout the 110 WTC building without anyone noticing. The world record for a controlled demolition is the former 33 story J.L. Hudson Department Store. According to this article (Controlled Demolition, Inc. | Press Release) it took them 24 days to plant the explosives throughout this building, which was of course abandoned. Meanwhile, the conspirators believe that our govt could have placed explosives throughout two 110 story buildings which would obviously taken months if not years to finish. All at the same time they would have to be hiding the demolition and doing it without anyone noticing. According to this site (CBC News Indepth: September 11) the WTC had 80,000 visitors a day and had more than 55,000 workers employed there. However, none of these people reported seeing someone planting demolition nor did they find it hidden somewhere. A job of this undertaking would have certainly been uncovered by someone, yet it was not. Obviously, a conspiracy is impossible.

and the 47 story WTC7
and not one of the guys that did the wiring has ever come forward to say, "yeah, i helped wire the explosives"

 

[eots]

One of many issues that I never understood about the conspiracy theorist point of view, is how they can believe the government could have placed explosives throughout the 110 WTC building without anyone noticing. The world record for a controlled demolition is the former 33 story J.L. Hudson Department Store. According to this article (Controlled Demolition, Inc. | Press Release) it took them 24 days to plant the explosives throughout this building, which was of course abandoned. Meanwhile, the conspirators believe that our govt could have placed explosives throughout two 110 story buildings which would obviously taken months if not years to finish. All at the same time they would have to be hiding the demolition and doing it without anyone noticing. According to this site (CBC News Indepth: September 11) the WTC had 80,000 visitors a day and had more than 55,000 workers employed there. However, none of these people reported seeing someone planting demolition nor did they find it hidden somewhere. A job of this undertaking would have certainly been uncovered by someone, yet it was not. Obviously, a conspiracy is impossible.

you make a lot of assumptions on what is possible. and there are people with much more experience and involved in covert operations that I have posted that disagree with your assumption....it may very well of taken months or years... a full peer reviewed inquire intro all aspects of 911 is warranted and required for definitive answers to this cover-up

Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report 9/13/04, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and law enforcement veterans: Project On Government Oversight


"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the report and its recommendations. …

Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission’s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. …

The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations. ...

The Commission, with its incomplete report of "facts and circumstances", intentional avoidance of assigning accountability, and disregard for the knowledge, expertise and experience of those who actually do the job, has now set about pressuring our Congress and our nation to hastily implement all its recommendations. ...

We the undersigned, who have worked within various government agencies (FBI, CIA, FAA, DIA, Customs) responsible for national security and public safety, call upon you in Congress to include the voices of those with first-hand knowledge and expertise in the important issues at hand. We stand ready to do our part." Project On Government Oversight

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[DiveCon]

One of many issues that I never understood about the conspiracy theorist point of view, is how they can believe the government could have placed explosives throughout the 110 WTC building without anyone noticing. The world record for a controlled demolition is the former 33 story J.L. Hudson Department Store. According to this article (Controlled Demolition, Inc. | Press Release) it took them 24 days to plant the explosives throughout this building, which was of course abandoned. Meanwhile, the conspirators believe that our govt could have placed explosives throughout two 110 story buildings which would obviously taken months if not years to finish. All at the same time they would have to be hiding the demolition and doing it without anyone noticing. According to this site (CBC News Indepth: September 11) the WTC had 80,000 visitors a day and had more than 55,000 workers employed there. However, none of these people reported seeing someone planting demolition nor did they find it hidden somewhere. A job of this undertaking would have certainly been uncovered by someone, yet it was not. Obviously, a conspiracy is impossible.

you make a lot of assumptions on what is possible. and there are people with much more experience and involved in covert operations that I have posted that disagree with your assumption....it may very well of taken months or years... a full peer reviewed inquire intro all aspects of 911 is warranted and required for definitive answers to this cover-up

Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report 9/13/04, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and law enforcement veterans: Project On Government Oversight


"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the report and its recommendations. &#8230;

Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission&#8217;s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. &#8230;

The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations. ...

The Commission, with its incomplete report of "facts and circumstances", intentional avoidance of assigning accountability, and disregard for the knowledge, expertise and experience of those who actually do the job, has now set about pressuring our Congress and our nation to hastily implement all its recommendations. ...

We the undersigned, who have worked within various government agencies (FBI, CIA, FAA, DIA, Customs) responsible for national security and public safety, call upon you in Congress to include the voices of those with first-hand knowledge and expertise in the important issues at hand. We stand ready to do our part." Project On Government Oversight

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

yet no where do they claim it was an inside job, nor that it was allowed to happen

 

[eots]

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) &#8211; Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career. Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University. Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System. Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001).
Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06: Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. "I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile". ...
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11



Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army &#8211; Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11


some of them say it in there individual statements...

 

[DiveCon]

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) &#8211; Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career. Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University. Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System. Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001).
Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06: Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. "I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile". ...
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11



Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army &#8211; Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11


some of them say it in there individual statements...

then they have lost their minds
because there IS evidence of what they claim wasnt there

and what i find even more amazing is, you cant seem to get any of these people to go public beyond these nutter sites

 

[eots]

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) &#8211; Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career. Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University. Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System. Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001).
Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06: Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. "I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile". ...
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11



Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army &#8211; Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11


some of them say it in there individual statements...

then they have lost their minds
because there IS evidence of what they claim wasnt there

and what i find even more amazing is, you cant seem to get any of these people to go public beyond these nutter sites

its called the controled media



Morgan Reynolds at Chicago 911 Truth Conference 02 Jun 2006



Morgan Reynolds, PhD &#8211; Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001 - 2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Economics, Texas A&M University.

Contributing author to 9/11 and American Empire (Vol I) &#8211; Intellectuals Speak Out (2006).
Video interview with Alex Jones 6/2/06: "I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. &#8230; We can prove that the government&#8217;s story is false." http://video.goo


Essay 6/9/05: "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories] and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely [to] prove to be sound." http://www.l...


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Bio:

 

[DiveCon]

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) &#8211; Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career. Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University. Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System. Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001).
Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06: Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. "I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile". ...
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11



Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army &#8211; Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11


some of them say it in there individual statements...

then they have lost their minds
because there IS evidence of what they claim wasnt there

and what i find even more amazing is, you cant seem to get any of these people to go public beyond these nutter sites

its called the controled media



Morgan Reynolds at Chicago 911 Truth Conference 02 Jun 2006



Morgan Reynolds, PhD &#8211; Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001 - 2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Economics, Texas A&M University.

Contributing author to 9/11 and American Empire (Vol I) &#8211; Intellectuals Speak Out (2006).
Video interview with Alex Jones 6/2/06: "I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. &#8230; We can prove that the government&#8217;s story is false." http://video.goo


Essay 6/9/05: "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories] and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely [to] prove to be sound." http://www.l...


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Bio:

get some of them to join here