Abortion, expanded

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Abortion for some mental conditions does hold certain appeal.

I could, for example, get behind extremely late term abortions - coat-hangering any child who remains a liberal beyond age 18. Mind you, not using the coat hanger as a scraper - more as a garrote.

THE PRO-CHOICE ACTION NETWORK

So you believe government should promote the abortion of its citizens? Why?

I think it's no big deal, we are overpopulated and they or we can't afford them and don't want them

That's fucking sad. You are pretty messed up.

 

[sealybobo]

Abortion for some mental conditions does hold certain appeal.

I could, for example, get behind extremely late term abortions - coat-hangering any child who remains a liberal beyond age 18. Mind you, not using the coat hanger as a scraper - more as a garrote.

THE PRO-CHOICE ACTION NETWORK

So you believe government should promote the abortion of its citizens? Why?

I think it's no big deal, we are overpopulated and they or we can't afford them and don't want them

That's fucking sad. You are pretty messed up.

I think it would be horrible to want an abortion and to be told no.

 

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Abortion for some mental conditions does hold certain appeal.

I could, for example, get behind extremely late term abortions - coat-hangering any child who remains a liberal beyond age 18. Mind you, not using the coat hanger as a scraper - more as a garrote.

THE PRO-CHOICE ACTION NETWORK

So you believe government should promote the abortion of its citizens? Why?

I think it's no big deal, we are overpopulated and they or we can't afford them and don't want them

That's fucking sad. You are pretty messed up.

I think it would be horrible to want an abortion and to be told no.

Might be the best thing that could have ever happened to you.

 

[sealybobo]

THE PRO-CHOICE ACTION NETWORK

So you believe government should promote the abortion of its citizens? Why?

I think it's no big deal, we are overpopulated and they or we can't afford them and don't want them

That's fucking sad. You are pretty messed up.

I think it would be horrible to want an abortion and to be told no.

Might be the best thing that could have ever happened to you.

And if my mom didn't tie her tubes I'd maybe have a sister

 

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So you believe government should promote the abortion of its citizens? Why?

I think it's no big deal, we are overpopulated and they or we can't afford them and don't want them

That's fucking sad. You are pretty messed up.

I think it would be horrible to want an abortion and to be told no.

Might be the best thing that could have ever happened to you.

And if my mom didn't tie her tubes I'd maybe have a sister

Yep, that's true, or a brother or neither. All very real possibilities. What is your point? After being conceived and born and grown up, are you telling me that you would have never had wanted your chance at life?

In the context of what we know about the universe, is the magnitude of your existence lost on you? Are you so pitifully lost in the drudgery of your existence that you don't see your existence for what it is? Because I can only assume that is the case when one views human life as cavalierly as you do.

 

[sealybobo]

I think it's no big deal, we are overpopulated and they or we can't afford them and don't want them

That's fucking sad. You are pretty messed up.

I think it would be horrible to want an abortion and to be told no.

Might be the best thing that could have ever happened to you.

And if my mom didn't tie her tubes I'd maybe have a sister

Yep, that's true, or a brother or neither. All very real possibilities. What is your point? After being conceived and born and grown up, are you telling me that you would have never had wanted your chance at life?

In the context of what we know about the universe is the magnitude of your existence lost on you? Are you so pitifully lost in the drudgery of your existence that you don't see your existence for what it is? Because I can only assume that is the case when one views human life as cavalierly as you do.

I value life once it's born. And yes that is true it is a shame someone comes so close to living a life but gets aborted.

All good arguments. I still think a woman should be able to get an abortion if she wants one.

But I warned Americans that abortion was on the GOP agenda and still Hillary only got 54% of the women vote. That means 46℅ are pro life. That's close enough to half you should be able to put a huge dent in the number of abortions that are done. Let's see how it works out.

I want you to ban abortion so I can see women lose their shit

 

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That's fucking sad. You are pretty messed up.

I think it would be horrible to want an abortion and to be told no.

Might be the best thing that could have ever happened to you.

And if my mom didn't tie her tubes I'd maybe have a sister

Yep, that's true, or a brother or neither. All very real possibilities. What is your point? After being conceived and born and grown up, are you telling me that you would have never had wanted your chance at life?

In the context of what we know about the universe is the magnitude of your existence lost on you? Are you so pitifully lost in the drudgery of your existence that you don't see your existence for what it is? Because I can only assume that is the case when one views human life as cavalierly as you do.

I value life once it's born. And yes that is true it is a shame someone comes so close to living a life but gets aborted.

All good arguments. I still think a woman should be able to get an abortion if she wants one.

But I warned Americans that abortion was on the GOP agenda and still Hillary only got 54% of the women vote. That means 46℅ are pro life. That's close enough to half you should be able to put a huge dent in the number of abortions that are done. Let's see how it works out.

I want you to ban abortion so I can see women lose their shit

You do realize that a new genetically distinct human life is created at conception, right? This isn't a contention, this is based on empirical scientific evidence.

 

[sealybobo]

I think it would be horrible to want an abortion and to be told no.

Might be the best thing that could have ever happened to you.

And if my mom didn't tie her tubes I'd maybe have a sister

Yep, that's true, or a brother or neither. All very real possibilities. What is your point? After being conceived and born and grown up, are you telling me that you would have never had wanted your chance at life?

In the context of what we know about the universe is the magnitude of your existence lost on you? Are you so pitifully lost in the drudgery of your existence that you don't see your existence for what it is? Because I can only assume that is the case when one views human life as cavalierly as you do.

I value life once it's born. And yes that is true it is a shame someone comes so close to living a life but gets aborted.

All good arguments. I still think a woman should be able to get an abortion if she wants one.

But I warned Americans that abortion was on the GOP agenda and still Hillary only got 54% of the women vote. That means 46℅ are pro life. That's close enough to half you should be able to put a huge dent in the number of abortions that are done. Let's see how it works out.

I want you to ban abortion so I can see women lose their shit

You do realize that a new genetically distinct human life is created at conception, right? This isn't a contention, this is based on empirical scientific evidence.

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women 'More Personally Responsible' For Sex | The Huffington Post

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women ‘More Personally Responsible’ For Sex
“They know that they have a backup of ‘oh, I can just go get an abortion,’” State Rep. Tony Tinderholt said.

 

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Might be the best thing that could have ever happened to you.

And if my mom didn't tie her tubes I'd maybe have a sister

Yep, that's true, or a brother or neither. All very real possibilities. What is your point? After being conceived and born and grown up, are you telling me that you would have never had wanted your chance at life?

In the context of what we know about the universe is the magnitude of your existence lost on you? Are you so pitifully lost in the drudgery of your existence that you don't see your existence for what it is? Because I can only assume that is the case when one views human life as cavalierly as you do.

I value life once it's born. And yes that is true it is a shame someone comes so close to living a life but gets aborted.

All good arguments. I still think a woman should be able to get an abortion if she wants one.

But I warned Americans that abortion was on the GOP agenda and still Hillary only got 54% of the women vote. That means 46℅ are pro life. That's close enough to half you should be able to put a huge dent in the number of abortions that are done. Let's see how it works out.

I want you to ban abortion so I can see women lose their shit

You do realize that a new genetically distinct human life is created at conception, right? This isn't a contention, this is based on empirical scientific evidence.

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women 'More Personally Responsible' For Sex | The Huffington Post

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women ‘More Personally Responsible’ For Sex
“They know that they have a backup of ‘oh, I can just go get an abortion,’” State Rep. Tony Tinderholt said.

What does that have to do with the scientific definition of life and when it begins? It's like you just want to side step that whole discussion. Sorry, but determining humanness is critical to the discussion. You could save us some time by admitting that you know that it is wrong to end a human life, but that you still support abortion.

 

[sealybobo]

And if my mom didn't tie her tubes I'd maybe have a sister

Yep, that's true, or a brother or neither. All very real possibilities. What is your point? After being conceived and born and grown up, are you telling me that you would have never had wanted your chance at life?

In the context of what we know about the universe is the magnitude of your existence lost on you? Are you so pitifully lost in the drudgery of your existence that you don't see your existence for what it is? Because I can only assume that is the case when one views human life as cavalierly as you do.

I value life once it's born. And yes that is true it is a shame someone comes so close to living a life but gets aborted.

All good arguments. I still think a woman should be able to get an abortion if she wants one.

But I warned Americans that abortion was on the GOP agenda and still Hillary only got 54% of the women vote. That means 46℅ are pro life. That's close enough to half you should be able to put a huge dent in the number of abortions that are done. Let's see how it works out.

I want you to ban abortion so I can see women lose their shit

You do realize that a new genetically distinct human life is created at conception, right? This isn't a contention, this is based on empirical scientific evidence.

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women 'More Personally Responsible' For Sex | The Huffington Post

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women ‘More Personally Responsible’ For Sex
“They know that they have a backup of ‘oh, I can just go get an abortion,’” State Rep. Tony Tinderholt said.

What does that have to do with the scientific definition of life and when it begins? It's like you just want to side step that whole discussion. Sorry, but determining humanness is critical to the discussion. You could save us some time by admitting that you know that it is wrong to end a human life, but that you still support abortion.

Of course it's not ideal but given the circumstances I feel it should be allowed

 

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Be honest...

I have two criteria for allowing abortions.

The infant must be a mindless drooling vegetable that will be reliant on the state to keep it alive, or their parents must be liberals.

 

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Yep, that's true, or a brother or neither. All very real possibilities. What is your point? After being conceived and born and grown up, are you telling me that you would have never had wanted your chance at life?

In the context of what we know about the universe is the magnitude of your existence lost on you? Are you so pitifully lost in the drudgery of your existence that you don't see your existence for what it is? Because I can only assume that is the case when one views human life as cavalierly as you do.

I value life once it's born. And yes that is true it is a shame someone comes so close to living a life but gets aborted.

All good arguments. I still think a woman should be able to get an abortion if she wants one.

But I warned Americans that abortion was on the GOP agenda and still Hillary only got 54% of the women vote. That means 46℅ are pro life. That's close enough to half you should be able to put a huge dent in the number of abortions that are done. Let's see how it works out.

I want you to ban abortion so I can see women lose their shit

You do realize that a new genetically distinct human life is created at conception, right? This isn't a contention, this is based on empirical scientific evidence.

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women 'More Personally Responsible' For Sex | The Huffington Post

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women ‘More Personally Responsible’ For Sex
“They know that they have a backup of ‘oh, I can just go get an abortion,’” State Rep. Tony Tinderholt said.

What does that have to do with the scientific definition of life and when it begins? It's like you just want to side step that whole discussion. Sorry, but determining humanness is critical to the discussion. You could save us some time by admitting that you know that it is wrong to end a human life, but that you still support abortion.

Of course it's not ideal but given the circumstances I feel it should be allowed

No. Not ideal does not accurately describe it. Say it with me, sealybobo, it is wrong to end a human life.

 

[sealybobo]

I value life once it's born. And yes that is true it is a shame someone comes so close to living a life but gets aborted.

All good arguments. I still think a woman should be able to get an abortion if she wants one.

But I warned Americans that abortion was on the GOP agenda and still Hillary only got 54% of the women vote. That means 46℅ are pro life. That's close enough to half you should be able to put a huge dent in the number of abortions that are done. Let's see how it works out.

I want you to ban abortion so I can see women lose their shit

You do realize that a new genetically distinct human life is created at conception, right? This isn't a contention, this is based on empirical scientific evidence.

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women 'More Personally Responsible' For Sex | The Huffington Post

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women ‘More Personally Responsible’ For Sex
“They know that they have a backup of ‘oh, I can just go get an abortion,’” State Rep. Tony Tinderholt said.

What does that have to do with the scientific definition of life and when it begins? It's like you just want to side step that whole discussion. Sorry, but determining humanness is critical to the discussion. You could save us some time by admitting that you know that it is wrong to end a human life, but that you still support abortion.

Of course it's not ideal but given the circumstances I feel it should be allowed

No. Not ideal does not accurately describe it. Say it with me, sealybobo, it is wrong to end a human life.

Unless it's the wrong time to start one.

You just can't force a woman to have a baby when its first trimester. That seed won't know the difference.

We already had this discussion in the 60s

 

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You do realize that a new genetically distinct human life is created at conception, right? This isn't a contention, this is based on empirical scientific evidence.

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women 'More Personally Responsible' For Sex | The Huffington Post

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women ‘More Personally Responsible’ For Sex
“They know that they have a backup of ‘oh, I can just go get an abortion,’” State Rep. Tony Tinderholt said.

What does that have to do with the scientific definition of life and when it begins? It's like you just want to side step that whole discussion. Sorry, but determining humanness is critical to the discussion. You could save us some time by admitting that you know that it is wrong to end a human life, but that you still support abortion.

Of course it's not ideal but given the circumstances I feel it should be allowed

No. Not ideal does not accurately describe it. Say it with me, sealybobo, it is wrong to end a human life.

Unless it's the wrong time to start one.

You just can't force a woman to have a baby when its first trimester. That seed won't know the difference.

We already had this discussion in the 60s

The standard does not care how or why or what happened. The standard is that it is wrong to end a human life. Making exceptions is normalizing a deviance and it does have predictable surprises.

 

[sealybobo]

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women 'More Personally Responsible' For Sex | The Huffington Post

Texas Lawmaker: Jail Time For Abortions Would Make Women ‘More Personally Responsible’ For Sex
“They know that they have a backup of ‘oh, I can just go get an abortion,’” State Rep. Tony Tinderholt said.

What does that have to do with the scientific definition of life and when it begins? It's like you just want to side step that whole discussion. Sorry, but determining humanness is critical to the discussion. You could save us some time by admitting that you know that it is wrong to end a human life, but that you still support abortion.

Of course it's not ideal but given the circumstances I feel it should be allowed

No. Not ideal does not accurately describe it. Say it with me, sealybobo, it is wrong to end a human life.

Unless it's the wrong time to start one.

You just can't force a woman to have a baby when its first trimester. That seed won't know the difference.

We already had this discussion in the 60s

The standard does not care how or why or what happened. The standard is that it is wrong to end a human life. Making exceptions is normalizing a deviance and it does have predictable surprises.

Assisted suicide is legal in some states. Is that wrong?

 

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What does that have to do with the scientific definition of life and when it begins? It's like you just want to side step that whole discussion. Sorry, but determining humanness is critical to the discussion. You could save us some time by admitting that you know that it is wrong to end a human life, but that you still support abortion.

Of course it's not ideal but given the circumstances I feel it should be allowed

No. Not ideal does not accurately describe it. Say it with me, sealybobo, it is wrong to end a human life.

Unless it's the wrong time to start one.

You just can't force a woman to have a baby when its first trimester. That seed won't know the difference.

We already had this discussion in the 60s

The standard does not care how or why or what happened. The standard is that it is wrong to end a human life. Making exceptions is normalizing a deviance and it does have predictable surprises.

Assisted suicide is legal in some states. Is that wrong?

Yes. Do you think the people who did it go out partying after it or something?

I don't think you understand the concept that I first laid out for you. Start with the highest standard possible. And when you don't meet it, don't rationalize that you did. Because that will be a losing hand. You don't want to play a losing hand, do you?

Now that we are done discussing your fringe argument that was totally unrelated to an abortion of convenience, Let's talk about abortion. Is it wrong to abort a baby for convenience? Which is really what we are talking about. You were the one who revived this thread, right?

 

[sealybobo]

Of course it's not ideal but given the circumstances I feel it should be allowed

No. Not ideal does not accurately describe it. Say it with me, sealybobo, it is wrong to end a human life.

Unless it's the wrong time to start one.

You just can't force a woman to have a baby when its first trimester. That seed won't know the difference.

We already had this discussion in the 60s

The standard does not care how or why or what happened. The standard is that it is wrong to end a human life. Making exceptions is normalizing a deviance and it does have predictable surprises.

Assisted suicide is legal in some states. Is that wrong?

Yes. Do you think the people who did it go out partying after it or something?

I don't think you understand the concept that I first laid out for you. Start with the highest standard possible. And when you don't meet it, don't rationalize that you did. Because that will be a losing hand. You don't want to play a losing hand, do you?

Now that we are done discussing your fringe argument that was totally unrelated to an abortion of convenience, Let's talk about abortion. Is it wrong to abort a baby for convenience? Which is really what we are talking about. You were the one who revived this thread, right?

Great scene in orange is the new black where the woman explains to the meth head how she did those kids and society a favor by aborting. Ask most people in that case they condoln abortion.

And ask a girl who doesn't want to have a baby if abortion should be legal she'll say yes. How she got pregnant doesn't matter.

Human life just isn't that precious. Scientifically it's just a seed and feels nothing. Simple safe and quick.

Sucks to be the seed true but

 

[sealybobo]

Of course it's not ideal but given the circumstances I feel it should be allowed

No. Not ideal does not accurately describe it. Say it with me, sealybobo, it is wrong to end a human life.

Unless it's the wrong time to start one.

You just can't force a woman to have a baby when its first trimester. That seed won't know the difference.

We already had this discussion in the 60s

The standard does not care how or why or what happened. The standard is that it is wrong to end a human life. Making exceptions is normalizing a deviance and it does have predictable surprises.

Assisted suicide is legal in some states. Is that wrong?

Yes. Do you think the people who did it go out partying after it or something?

I don't think you understand the concept that I first laid out for you. Start with the highest standard possible. And when you don't meet it, don't rationalize that you did. Because that will be a losing hand. You don't want to play a losing hand, do you?

Now that we are done discussing your fringe argument that was totally unrelated to an abortion of convenience, Let's talk about abortion. Is it wrong to abort a baby for convenience? Which is really what we are talking about. You were the one who revived this thread, right?

Donald Trump took 5 different positions on abortion in 3 days

You can see the exact moment last week that Donald Trump made up his mind on whether women would face criminal punishment once he signed new restrictions into law. He is at a town hall with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, and, after Matthews badgers him for a while, he finally answers the question.

“The answer is ... that,” Trump says, eyes looking to the side in thought, “there has to be some form of punishment.” He punctuates “has” with a hand gesture. Done. Final.

 

[sealybobo]

But as it turns out — and as it has turned out repeatedly over the course of his life — that was not, in fact, Trump’s final position on the subject. This past week alone, he has held multiple contradicting positions, including that one. So we figured that a timeline was in order, so that you could see the date and time and know, concretely, what Trump’s abortion position was at that moment.

Though he might deny it.

April 1989
Trump co-sponsored a dinner at the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan (which he then owned) honoring Robin Chandler Duke, a former president of NARAL. He chose not to attend, the New York Times reported, after his family was threatened by anti-abortion activists.

Oct. 24, 1999
Ten years later, Trump appeared on NBC in an interview with Tim Russert. In a clip that has received newfound life during this election cycle, Trump defends his broadly liberal positions by explaining that he grew up in Manhattan, not Iowa.

Asked about abortion, he’s clear.

 

[sealybobo]

“I’m very pro-choice,” Trump says. “I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject. But you still — I just believe in choice.”

Russert clarifies his original point: Would you ban partial-birth abortion? “No,” Trump replies.

Between 1999 and 2011
At some point between 1999 and 2011, Trump’s position on abortion changed. He explained the reason for his switch during the first debate of 2015.

[W]hat happened is friends of mine years ago were going to have a child, and it was going to be aborted. And it wasn’t aborted. And that child today is a total superstar, a great, great child. And I saw that. And I saw other instances.

In 2011, as he was toying with running, he told activists at the Conservative Political Action Conference that, among other conservative positions, “I am pro-life [and] against gun control.”

June 28, 2015
Shortly after announcing his candidacy, Trump appeared on CNN in an interview with Jake Tapper. He got a little tripped up.

TAPPER: Let me ask you about a few social issues because they haven’t been issues you have been talking about for several years. I know you’re opposed to abortion.

TRUMP: Right. I’m pro-choice.

TAPPER: You’re pro-choice or pro-life?

TRUMP: I’m pro-life. I’m sorry.