About the dire warnings of a second Trump presidency.

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They are out there and they are out there in droves. The people who are making them come from all quarters, including former members of his first administration.

Former Trump officials are among the most vocal opponents of returning him to the White House


NEW YORK (AP) — Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper has called him a “threat to democracy.” Former national security adviser John Bolton has declared him “unfit to be president.” And former Vice President Mike Pence has declined to endorse him, citing “profound differences.”

As Donald Trump seeks the presidency for a third time, he is being vigorously opposed by a vocal contingent of former officials who are stridently warning against his return to power and offering dire predictions for the country and the rule of law if his campaign succeeds.

It’s a striking chorus of detractors, one without precedent in the modern era, coming from those who witnessed first-hand his conduct in office and the turmoil that followed.

Sarah Matthews, a former Trump aide who testified before the House Jan. 6 committee and is among those warning about the threat he poses, said it’s “mind-boggling” how many members of his senior staff have denounced him.


The reasons for the warnings are as varied as the people making them. Some point to Project 2025, an authoritarian playbook centering on tearing down what is widely referred to as the "administrative state." Replacing it with those who pass a test of loyalty to the person who would head up an unitary executive with newly, expansive power. Some point to his immorality, some to witnessing first hand his incompetence and impetuous behavior, some to the virtually incomprehensible times he has run afoul of the law and basic decency. They all boil down to the same thing. They fear he will break us.

My answer to those concerns is, we are already broken.

We, the people, can not agree on who the legitimate leader of the country is. We can not agree on how to view the events that transpired on Jan. 6 nor who is responsible for them. We no longer agree adherence to a basic moral code is a prerequisite for holding high office. We do not agree on whether both threats and acts of violence in someone's name should be condemned by that person. We are at virtual polar opposite sides when it comes to environmental, immigration, gun control, and abortion policies. We can't agree on elemental facts, making constructive discourse and effective governance impossible. We do not agree as to the reasons for historic congressional inaction while there is a pressing need for action on many fronts. We can not agree on the best way to move forward. That is not sustainable.

Can we be fixed? I believe we can. We are on the cusp of deciding whether to begin that process this coming November.
 
My answer to those concerns is, we are already broken.

We, the people, can not agree on who the legitimate leader of the country is. We can not agree on how to view the events that transpired on Jan. 6 nor who is responsible for them. We no longer agree adherence to a basic moral code is a prerequisite for holding high office. We do not agree on whether both threats and acts of violence in someone's name should be condemned by that person. We are at virtual polar opposite sides when it comes to environmental, immigration, gun control, and abortion policies. We can't agree on elemental facts, making constructive discourse and effective governance impossible. We do not agree as to the reasons for historic congressional inaction while there is a pressing need for action on many fronts. We can not agree on the best way to move forward. That is not sustainable.
Yep, and that's why the condemnations of Trump by his own people don't really matter.

I've been saying this all along: The election of 2016 showed me that America is not what I thought it was. There was absolutely no way this could happen in this country. It took me several years to get on top of that.

So I was wrong. I get it. I'm over it. But a problem has to be correctly identified before it can be fixed.
 
They are out there and they are out there in droves. The people who are making them come from all quarters, including former members of his first administration.

Former Trump officials are among the most vocal opponents of returning him to the White House


NEW YORK (AP) — Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper has called him a “threat to democracy.” Former national security adviser John Bolton has declared him “unfit to be president.” And former Vice President Mike Pence has declined to endorse him, citing “profound differences.”

As Donald Trump seeks the presidency for a third time, he is being vigorously opposed by a vocal contingent of former officials who are stridently warning against his return to power and offering dire predictions for the country and the rule of law if his campaign succeeds.

It’s a striking chorus of detractors, one without precedent in the modern era, coming from those who witnessed first-hand his conduct in office and the turmoil that followed.

Sarah Matthews, a former Trump aide who testified before the House Jan. 6 committee and is among those warning about the threat he poses, said it’s “mind-boggling” how many members of his senior staff have denounced him.


The reasons for the warnings are as varied as the people making them. Some point to Project 2025, an authoritarian playbook centering on tearing down what is widely referred to as the "administrative state." Replacing it with those who pass a test of loyalty to the person who would head up an unitary executive with newly, expansive power. Some point to his immorality, some to witnessing first hand his incompetence and impetuous behavior, some to the virtually incomprehensible times he has run afoul of the law and basic decency. They all boil down to the same thing. They fear he will break us.

My answer to those concerns is, we are already broken.

We, the people, can not agree on who the legitimate leader of the country is. We can not agree on how to view the events that transpired on Jan. 6 nor who is responsible for them. We no longer agree adherence to a basic moral code is a prerequisite for holding high office. We do not agree on whether both threats and acts of violence in someone's name should be condemned by that person. We are at virtual polar opposite sides when it comes to environmental, immigration, gun control, and abortion policies. We can't agree on elemental facts, making constructive discourse and effective governance impossible. We do not agree as to the reasons for historic congressional inaction while there is a pressing need for action on many fronts. We can not agree on the best way to move forward. That is not sustainable.

Can we be fixed? I believe we can. We are on the cusp of deciding whether to begin that process this coming November.
i may not know who my leaders are, but that is my choice.

i certainly know who my leader is not and will never be. trump.
 
Yep, and that's why the condemnations of Trump by his own people don't really matter.

I've been saying this all along: The election of 2016 showed me that America is not what I thought it was. There was absolutely no way this could happen in this country. It took me several years to get on top of that.

So I was wrong. I get it. I'm over it. But a problem has to be correctly identified before it can be fixed.

If only the government and ruling class had a people they deserved....

Talk about unearned gravitas.
 
Only Trumpers think they know better than the people that know Trump best. This is not a few disgruntled former Trump officials, it is more like a majority of them. Even many of those who have not spoken out against him, have not come out to defend him. This is telling to most sane people.
 
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So media outlets are furiously looking for disgruntled former employees. Big deal.
They don't have to be sought out. They feel it is their patriotic duty to come forward and tell us what they saw. For those who have books out is there a commercial interest in attracting attention to what they saw? Yes. But the volume and consistency of their messages makes what they have to say all the more believable.
 
Yep, and that's why the condemnations of Trump by his own people don't really matter.

I've been saying this all along: The election of 2016 showed me that America is not what I thought it was. There was absolutely no way this could happen in this country. It took me several years to get on top of that.

So I was wrong. I get it. I'm over it. But a problem has to be correctly identified before it can be fixed.
The problem has various component parts. The alternative reality created by RWM being a central element. But at its core the problem is Trump. He is its driving force.
 
The problem has various component parts. The alternative reality created by RWM being a central element. But at its core the problem is Trump. He is its driving force.
I look at it from the demand side. As you put it, the "alternative reality created by RWM" over the last few decades created a massive need, and he turned out to be the one who was shameless and needy enough to fill it. 24/7/365.

Without that need, with normal standards of decency and character, he'd still be doing reality teevee.
 
Okay, that's funny. 😅
I know you folks hate to see the 1/6 committee's work brought up but that was an excellent example of the unanimity of the experiences recounted by former members of the admin. I was especially interested to hear the testimony of former DoJ officials talk about Trump's efforts to corrupt it to his advantage.
 
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I look at it from the demand side. As you put it, the "alternative reality created by RWM" over the last few decades created a massive need, and he turned out to be the one who was shameless and needy enough to fill it. 24/7/365.

Without that need, with normal standards of decency and character, he'd still be doing reality teevee.
Yup. We could see something abnormal was going on when he so easily dispensed with the other primary candidates in 2016 as members of the former GOP were attracted to him like flies on shit. That was the first sign of what would be the development of the cult of personality.
 

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