Abraham Lincoln uncensored

[SandSquid]

Not enough states tom hold a quorum which was why Lincoln "incorporated" America. Where is the treaty after the end of the war?Hmmmmm? Why are we still under the Lieber Code? Points to ponder.

Again, not one article for secession mentioned the Morrill tariff as a reason for secession. They said it was protecting and expanding slavery from a government that was pushing opposition to it.

Some people will read the minutes from the secession conventions, like Georgia's for example where they mentioned slavery 214 times and US tariffs zero times and say they wanted secession over slavery and not tariffs. Others will want to rewrite history and say they wanted it over tariffs.

But slavery was allowed even in the Union states and states that sat out the war were allowed to keep their slaves......so why did it take two years into the war for the Lincoln proclamation?

The Lincoln cultist ignores Lincoln’s obvious tyrannical actions and then venerates the mass murdering asshole.

lol. You and actual source history mix together like oil and water don't you. Tell me, do you pride yourself on that? That you can look at source history and completely ignore it and decide to instead keep an ignorant opinion based on fairy tales? Is that something you truly are proud about yourself for doing? Do you brag things like "you think that guys gullible... well you should see me!"

I get it. You love those old tired lazy debunked white supremacist lost cause myths. You want to be a mouthpiece for the pro-slavery anti-black factions that promoted them. Got it.

Gipper is a sharp poster and no one I know personally is a "white supremacist" and he (like myself) know that history isn't what we were told. The same people that subsidize and fund the educational curriculum also told the sheeple that a central bank is a very goooood thing. The 14 amendment rid us of involuntary servitude. We are debt slaves whose sweat equity was pledged as surety against the debt of USA.INC. Do you know what the original 13th amendment was?

Maybe people aren't white supremacists that spout those lies. Maybe they don't realize that the lies those groups have been feeding for over a century are their beliefs and not founded in actual source history.

As for the original 13th, it was an amendment to keep slavery. The south spoke out about that saying they had no intention to believe Lincoln would enforce or keep it and that he'd destroy it the minute he was able. In hindsight, listening to lincoln preach over and over he had no intention to end slavery where it existed, the south stating that they did not believe that was one thing they were right on. Lincoln was willing to use a LOT of different methods to end slavery.

 

[SandSquid]

There was no war of northern aggression.

LOL. Once again you prove you’re ignorant.

Who invaded whom? Who used force to obtain it’s goal? Who refused a peaceful approach?

Had Lincoln followed the constitution, there wouldn’t have been a war. He chose war and tyranny which should have resulted in his removal from office in 1861.

The south started by attacking a federal installation.

That same simpleton argument always presented by the Lincoln cultist. So in your mind, the north had to go war over a fort they fully intended to evacuate and the bombing of which by SC, resulted in no casualties. Too fucking funny. Do you cultists ever tire?

At any rate, it is well known that Lincoln set up events at Fort Sumter. If you disagree, then you expose yourself as uninformed.

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

 

[gipper]

LOL. Once again you prove you’re ignorant.

Who invaded whom? Who used force to obtain it’s goal? Who refused a peaceful approach?

Had Lincoln followed the constitution, there wouldn’t have been a war. He chose war and tyranny which should have resulted in his removal from office in 1861.

The south started by attacking a federal installation.

That same simpleton argument always presented by the Lincoln cultist. So in your mind, the north had to go war over a fort they fully intended to evacuate and the bombing of which by SC, resulted in no casualties. Too fucking funny. Do you cultists ever tire?

At any rate, it is well known that Lincoln set up events at Fort Sumter. If you disagree, then you expose yourself as uninformed.

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

 

[Faun]

There was no war of northern aggression.

LOL. Once again you prove you’re ignorant.

Who invaded whom? Who used force to obtain it’s goal? Who refused a peaceful approach?

Had Lincoln followed the constitution, there wouldn’t have been a war. He chose war and tyranny which should have resulted in his removal from office in 1861.

The south started by attacking a federal installation.

That same simpleton argument always presented by the Lincoln cultist. So in your mind, the north had to go war over a fort they fully intended to evacuate and the bombing of which by SC, resulted in no casualties. Too fucking funny. Do you cultists ever tire?

At any rate, it is well known that Lincoln set up events at Fort Sumter. If you disagree, then you expose yourself as uninformed.

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

Great, now we have goofy gipper to go along with delusional dale.

 

[gipper]

LOL. Once again you prove you’re ignorant.

Who invaded whom? Who used force to obtain it’s goal? Who refused a peaceful approach?

Had Lincoln followed the constitution, there wouldn’t have been a war. He chose war and tyranny which should have resulted in his removal from office in 1861.

The south started by attacking a federal installation.

That same simpleton argument always presented by the Lincoln cultist. So in your mind, the north had to go war over a fort they fully intended to evacuate and the bombing of which by SC, resulted in no casualties. Too fucking funny. Do you cultists ever tire?

At any rate, it is well known that Lincoln set up events at Fort Sumter. If you disagree, then you expose yourself as uninformed.

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

Great, now we have goofy gipper to go along with delusional dale.

Not nice Fauny. What in my post is incorrect?

 

[Faun]

The south started by attacking a federal installation.

That same simpleton argument always presented by the Lincoln cultist. So in your mind, the north had to go war over a fort they fully intended to evacuate and the bombing of which by SC, resulted in no casualties. Too fucking funny. Do you cultists ever tire?

At any rate, it is well known that Lincoln set up events at Fort Sumter. If you disagree, then you expose yourself as uninformed.

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

"The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident."

Utter nonsense. They were forced to surrender those installations and fled to Sumter.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history.

 

[Faun]

The south started by attacking a federal installation.

That same simpleton argument always presented by the Lincoln cultist. So in your mind, the north had to go war over a fort they fully intended to evacuate and the bombing of which by SC, resulted in no casualties. Too fucking funny. Do you cultists ever tire?

At any rate, it is well known that Lincoln set up events at Fort Sumter. If you disagree, then you expose yourself as uninformed.

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

Great, now we have goofy gipper to go along with delusional dale.

Not nice Fauny. What in my post is incorrect?

Everything. It was a U.S. fort. As president, Lincoln had every right to send in supplies. They weren't at war yet and there was no reason for him to not be able to resupply them.

 

[gipper]

That same simpleton argument always presented by the Lincoln cultist. So in your mind, the north had to go war over a fort they fully intended to evacuate and the bombing of which by SC, resulted in no casualties. Too fucking funny. Do you cultists ever tire?

At any rate, it is well known that Lincoln set up events at Fort Sumter. If you disagree, then you expose yourself as uninformed.

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

"The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident."

Utter nonsense. They were forced to surrender those installations and fled to Sumter.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history.

Wrong. At the time, all thought states were sovereign. When the southern states seceded, the federal personal left without being molested. Please name the facilities in the south where violence occurred.

Even at Ft. Sumter, SC was more than willing to allow the Union to purchase provisions almost up to the day the bombardment began.

The seceding states offered to pay for all federal installations within their lands. So, your point is meaningless.

Stop venerating the mass murderer Dishonest Abe. He sucked just like nearly all our recent presidents.

 

[SandSquid]

The south started by attacking a federal installation.

That same simpleton argument always presented by the Lincoln cultist. So in your mind, the north had to go war over a fort they fully intended to evacuate and the bombing of which by SC, resulted in no casualties. Too fucking funny. Do you cultists ever tire?

At any rate, it is well known that Lincoln set up events at Fort Sumter. If you disagree, then you expose yourself as uninformed.

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

Without incident? They were scuttling ships and burning docks at the ports to try and not let them fall into rebels hands. Their COs were surrendering at gunpoint. The Confederate Congress had voted to take Sumter and Pickens by force if necessary a couple months before they took Sumter by force.


What world do you come from? Buchanan's administration responds to South Carolina that "Fort Sumter will not be surrendered" but it was being evacuated? Buchanan's administration attempts to resupply the soldiers at Sumter and US ships are fired on but that's not an incident? Do you even care that you are painting a fake story devoid of historical fact? 1/4 of the military had surrendered to armed rebels and that's not an incident?

I'm sorry. You have to either be a liar or an idiot to say what you are trying to say there.

 

[SandSquid]

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

"The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident."

Utter nonsense. They were forced to surrender those installations and fled to Sumter.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history.

Wrong. At the time, all thought states were sovereign. When the southern states seceded, the federal personal left without being molested. Please name the facilities in the south where violence occurred.

Even at Ft. Sumter, SC was more than willing to allow the Union to purchase provisions almost up to the day the bombardment began.

The seceding states offered to pay for all federal installations within their lands. So, your point is meaningless.

Stop venerating the mass murderer Dishonest Abe. He sucked just like nearly all our recent presidents.

Actually states weren't sure on that which is why they didn't wait for a Supreme Court ruling but instead moved to attack US federal properties instead.

What do you mean they offered to pay? So a military base must be sold to a rebellion if they ask to pay for it?

Seriously, if I offer to buy a nuclear silo, and the govt refuses, I can overrun it at gunpoint and thats not a fucking incident?


What kind of revisionist BS are you spouting. Did you learn your history from the back of a cracker jack box or something here? Over and over you are just making shit up.

 

[Faun]

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

"The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident."

Utter nonsense. They were forced to surrender those installations and fled to Sumter.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history.

Wrong. At the time, all thought states were sovereign. When the southern states seceded, the federal personal left without being molested. Please name the facilities in the south where violence occurred.

Even at Ft. Sumter, SC was more than willing to allow the Union to purchase provisions almost up to the day the bombardment began.

The seceding states offered to pay for all federal installations within their lands. So, your point is meaningless.

Stop venerating the mass murderer Dishonest Abe. He sucked just like nearly all our recent presidents.

LOLOLOL

Seceded states had no ownership of federal property. That property still belonged to the U.S.. South Carolina gave the territory to the U.S..

 

[gipper]

That same simpleton argument always presented by the Lincoln cultist. So in your mind, the north had to go war over a fort they fully intended to evacuate and the bombing of which by SC, resulted in no casualties. Too fucking funny. Do you cultists ever tire?

At any rate, it is well known that Lincoln set up events at Fort Sumter. If you disagree, then you expose yourself as uninformed.

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

Without incident? They were scuttling ships and burning docks at the ports to try and not let them fall into rebels hands. Their COs were surrendering at gunpoint. The Confederate Congress had voted to take Sumter and Pickens by force if necessary a couple months before they took Sumter by force.


What world do you come from? Buchanan's administration responds to South Carolina that "Fort Sumter will not be surrendered" but it was being evacuated? Buchanan's administration attempts to resupply the soldiers at Sumter and US ships are fired on but that's not an incident? Do you even care that you are painting a fake story devoid of historical fact? 1/4 of the military had surrendered to armed rebels and that's not an incident?

I'm sorry. You have to either be a liar or an idiot to say what you are trying to say there.

Wrong. You have chosen to believe lies.

South Carolina allowed Ft. Sumter to purchase provisions nearly to the time of the bombardment. They found out about Lincoln’s treachery in sending a fleet of war ships, and only then did they stop provisions and take aggressive action.

Lincoln held a cabinet meeting upon entering the WH. He asked all cabinet members should he hold on to Ft Sumter. All agreed they should not. They should evacuate as not to instigate war. The hope was war could still be averted. VA hadn’t yet seceded. They knew an act of war might lead to more states seceding.

Then the south published their constitution. It mirrored the founder’s, but it imposed a national tariff of only 10%. This infuriated Lincoln who knew this low tariff would harm his northern industrial donors and the R party. This is when the whole attitude change. He wanted war to stop that Confederate tariff and impose his.

 

[SandSquid]

That is the revisionist BS that the shite supremacists have been spouting for years to defend the confederacies war to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Made up, "they were tricked into bombing the US", and "since they surrendered when surrounded at gunpoint, rather than die when the Confederacy declared to take those bases by force if necessary that is not an incident"

And "well after taking them at gunpoint they offered to pay for the forts" (remember they overran 4 mints and took millions of dollars of bullion that they claimed was now theirs).

It's like pointing a gun at someone, taking their belongings, then when they get upset, offering them a few bucks out of the wallet you stole from them, and calling that an acceptable act. How mentally incompetent is this Gipper guy to defend this crap?

 

[gipper]

That is the revisionist BS that the shite supremacists have been spouting for years to defend the confederacies war to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Made up, "they were tricked into bombing the US", and "since they surrendered when surrounded at gunpoint, rather than die when the Confederacy declared to take those bases by force if necessary that is not an incident"

And "well after taking them at gunpoint they offered to pay for the forts" (remember they overran 4 mints and took millions of dollars of bullion that they claimed was now theirs).

It's like pointing a gun at someone, taking their belongings, then when they get upset, offering them a few bucks out of the wallet you stole from them, and calling that an acceptable act. How mentally incompetent is this Gipper guy to defend this crap?

Too stupid for a response.

 

[Faun]

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

Without incident? They were scuttling ships and burning docks at the ports to try and not let them fall into rebels hands. Their COs were surrendering at gunpoint. The Confederate Congress had voted to take Sumter and Pickens by force if necessary a couple months before they took Sumter by force.


What world do you come from? Buchanan's administration responds to South Carolina that "Fort Sumter will not be surrendered" but it was being evacuated? Buchanan's administration attempts to resupply the soldiers at Sumter and US ships are fired on but that's not an incident? Do you even care that you are painting a fake story devoid of historical fact? 1/4 of the military had surrendered to armed rebels and that's not an incident?

I'm sorry. You have to either be a liar or an idiot to say what you are trying to say there.

Wrong. You have chosen to believe lies.

South Carolina allowed Ft. Sumter to purchase provisions nearly to the time of the bombardment. They found out about Lincoln’s treachery in sending a fleet of war ships, and only then did they stop provisions and take aggressive action.

Lincoln held a cabinet meeting upon entering the WH. He asked all cabinet members should he hold on to Ft Sumter. All agreed they should not. They should evacuate as not to instigate war. The hope was war could still be averted. VA hadn’t yet seceded. They knew an act of war might lead to more states seceding.

Then the south published their constitution. It mirrored the founder’s, but it imposed a national tariff of only 10%. This infuriated Lincoln who knew this low tariff would harm his northern industrial donors and the R party. This is when the whole attitude change. He wanted war to stop that Confederate tariff and impose his.

LOLOL

And the south fired on Sumter ... because ..... ?

 

[gipper]

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

"The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident."

Utter nonsense. They were forced to surrender those installations and fled to Sumter.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history.

Wrong. At the time, all thought states were sovereign. When the southern states seceded, the federal personal left without being molested. Please name the facilities in the south where violence occurred.

Even at Ft. Sumter, SC was more than willing to allow the Union to purchase provisions almost up to the day the bombardment began.

The seceding states offered to pay for all federal installations within their lands. So, your point is meaningless.

Stop venerating the mass murderer Dishonest Abe. He sucked just like nearly all our recent presidents.

LOLOLOL

Seceded states had no ownership of federal property. That property still belonged to the U.S.. South Carolina gave the territory to the U.S..

No silly boy. That’s like saying our bases in Japan are USA land. Think man. Think.

 

[gipper]

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

Without incident? They were scuttling ships and burning docks at the ports to try and not let them fall into rebels hands. Their COs were surrendering at gunpoint. The Confederate Congress had voted to take Sumter and Pickens by force if necessary a couple months before they took Sumter by force.


What world do you come from? Buchanan's administration responds to South Carolina that "Fort Sumter will not be surrendered" but it was being evacuated? Buchanan's administration attempts to resupply the soldiers at Sumter and US ships are fired on but that's not an incident? Do you even care that you are painting a fake story devoid of historical fact? 1/4 of the military had surrendered to armed rebels and that's not an incident?

I'm sorry. You have to either be a liar or an idiot to say what you are trying to say there.

Wrong. You have chosen to believe lies.

South Carolina allowed Ft. Sumter to purchase provisions nearly to the time of the bombardment. They found out about Lincoln’s treachery in sending a fleet of war ships, and only then did they stop provisions and take aggressive action.

Lincoln held a cabinet meeting upon entering the WH. He asked all cabinet members should he hold on to Ft Sumter. All agreed they should not. They should evacuate as not to instigate war. The hope was war could still be averted. VA hadn’t yet seceded. They knew an act of war might lead to more states seceding.

Then the south published their constitution. It mirrored the founder’s, but it imposed a national tariff of only 10%. This infuriated Lincoln who knew this low tariff would harm his northern industrial donors and the R party. This is when the whole attitude change. He wanted war to stop that Confederate tariff and impose his.

LOLOL

And the south fired on Sumter ... because ..... ?

Can you read? Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships. Please look it up. I hate ignorance.

 

[boedicca]

Oh Goodie! Yet another Racist Race Baiting thread by a Racist Race Baiting Race Baiter!

 

[SandSquid]

Bullshit. The uniformed one is you. Lincoln notified South Carolina he was sending in supplies, which was his right to supply a federal fort, after the south tried to cut off supplies to the fort. It was the south who demanded the federal government surrender the fort to them and then opened fire on it when they didn't.

I don't care how ignorant you are, you cons can't rewrite history

You really believe that? Lincoln set it up to look like the SC started it all. He knew he couldn’t supply the fort and protect it from the shore batteries. It was a false flag operation, but you bought it.

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

Without incident? They were scuttling ships and burning docks at the ports to try and not let them fall into rebels hands. Their COs were surrendering at gunpoint. The Confederate Congress had voted to take Sumter and Pickens by force if necessary a couple months before they took Sumter by force.


What world do you come from? Buchanan's administration responds to South Carolina that "Fort Sumter will not be surrendered" but it was being evacuated? Buchanan's administration attempts to resupply the soldiers at Sumter and US ships are fired on but that's not an incident? Do you even care that you are painting a fake story devoid of historical fact? 1/4 of the military had surrendered to armed rebels and that's not an incident?

I'm sorry. You have to either be a liar or an idiot to say what you are trying to say there.

Wrong. You have chosen to believe lies.

South Carolina allowed Ft. Sumter to purchase provisions nearly to the time of the bombardment. They found out about Lincoln’s treachery in sending a fleet of war ships, and only then did they stop provisions and take aggressive action.

Lincoln held a cabinet meeting upon entering the WH. He asked all cabinet members should he hold on to Ft Sumter. All agreed they should not. They should evacuate as not to instigate war. The hope was war could still be averted. VA hadn’t yet seceded. They knew an act of war might lead to more states seceding.

Then the south published their constitution. It mirrored the founder’s, but it imposed a national tariff of only 10%. This infuriated Lincoln who knew this low tariff would harm his northern industrial donors and the R party. This is when the whole attitude change. He wanted war to stop that Confederate tariff and impose his.

Jan 31 1861, governor Pickens demanded that President Buchanan surrender Ft Sumter... And Buchanan made the stand that he wouldn't surrender it.

Feb 15, 1861, the Confederate Congress votes to take ft Sumter by force.

"Resolved by the Confederate States of America in Congress assembled, That it is the sense of this Congress,
That immediate steps should be taken to obtain Forts Sumter and Pickens, by the authority of this Government, either by negotiations or force, as early as practicable, and that the President is hereby authorized to make all necessary military preparations for carrying this resolution into effect
Passed February 15, 1861."

Before Lincoln was inaugurated. Damn you are not really intelligent when it comes to US history are you? Just make shit up and hope for the best...

 

[SandSquid]

So wait. AFTER South Carolina had taken over forts, ports, ships and other federal properties through the threat of force, he caused them to attack and bomb a US base by not surrendering it? Remember South Carolina had already overrun Moultrie, Pinckney, federal ships, the US arsenal in Charleston...

You know why South Carolina was able to bomb Fort Sumter? Because on December 30, 1860, John Cunningham of the South Carolina militia surrounded the US Federal Arsenal in Charleson and called for the "Immediate surrender of the US arsenal at this place and under your charge, and a delivery to me of the keys and contents of the arsenals, magazines, etc..."

The Chief of Ordinance declared "This arsenal has been taken by force of arms", and the troops after their surrender withdrew to Fort Sumter.

This all happened BEFORE Lincoln was President.

Then with those weapons they took by force of arms, Ft Sumter was bombed.

But yeah... lets revise history and say Lincoln was the cause.

The federal government had relinquished all properties in the south without incident. Then comes Fort Sumter. Clearly the action at the fort was designed by Lincoln to blame the South for starting the war and change public opinion in the North. It worked, but it was all a big lie.

Once the South learned that Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships, after telling the governor of SC that the garrison would soon be evacuated, the deception had been exposed. When Lincoln’s war ships showed up off Charleston, all knew it was an act of war. The SC shore batteries opened up and the fort surrendered the next day without one casualty taking place. Lincoln’s war fleet refused to help their brethren being besieged. They were sent by Lincoln merely as a provocation and it worked.

You might know the name Abner Doubleday, the so called inverter of baseball. He was second in command at Ft. Sumter. He stated, “every Union ship which entered the harbor that day would have been sunk.” So, all knew the fort was defenseless and incapable of being reinforced, as the SC shore batteries could easily destroy any ships that approached the harbor.

So, Lincoln’s false flag worked in turning public opinion in the North from letting the South go peacefully, to let’s kill those bastards.

Without incident? They were scuttling ships and burning docks at the ports to try and not let them fall into rebels hands. Their COs were surrendering at gunpoint. The Confederate Congress had voted to take Sumter and Pickens by force if necessary a couple months before they took Sumter by force.


What world do you come from? Buchanan's administration responds to South Carolina that "Fort Sumter will not be surrendered" but it was being evacuated? Buchanan's administration attempts to resupply the soldiers at Sumter and US ships are fired on but that's not an incident? Do you even care that you are painting a fake story devoid of historical fact? 1/4 of the military had surrendered to armed rebels and that's not an incident?

I'm sorry. You have to either be a liar or an idiot to say what you are trying to say there.

Wrong. You have chosen to believe lies.

South Carolina allowed Ft. Sumter to purchase provisions nearly to the time of the bombardment. They found out about Lincoln’s treachery in sending a fleet of war ships, and only then did they stop provisions and take aggressive action.

Lincoln held a cabinet meeting upon entering the WH. He asked all cabinet members should he hold on to Ft Sumter. All agreed they should not. They should evacuate as not to instigate war. The hope was war could still be averted. VA hadn’t yet seceded. They knew an act of war might lead to more states seceding.

Then the south published their constitution. It mirrored the founder’s, but it imposed a national tariff of only 10%. This infuriated Lincoln who knew this low tariff would harm his northern industrial donors and the R party. This is when the whole attitude change. He wanted war to stop that Confederate tariff and impose his.

LOLOL

And the south fired on Sumter ... because ..... ?

Can you read? Lincoln sent a fleet of war ships. Please look it up. I hate ignorance.

Makes sense. The Confederacy had already voted to take ft Sumter by force if they had to. I'm sure if the US knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor ahead of time we would have tried to defend it with more ships too.

But somehow that would have been starting the war. Wow you can't believe what you type can you?