ACLU against free speech

[HappyJoy]

Oppression is going to feel like oppression. I have used my own words and I've also provided you a source, my source did a much better job of describing the differences. In the meantime you haven't done shit to prove your point.

There are plenty of conservatives who have authoritarian tendencies. For example, in 2018 many still don't want gay marriage to be legal. They are OK with removing citizens from the voting roles and often times because they blame immigrants and minorities for illegally voting. They hold rallies demonstrating their racial superiority, many want to kick out people of color. Their leaders tell them how evil the free press is and how they are being screwed over by poor people. They want to ban people based on their religion and spy on them without cause in their places of worship. They want to tell them when and where they can build their mosques and they don't see any moral conflicts with separating families and caging their children with little to no concern for having a plan to reunite these families. They force children into court, as little as 3 or 4 years old to defend their status in this country.

Oh, there is such a thing as right wing authoritarians, it's just hard to see when you agree with them.

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

I gave you specifics and I gave you examples of conservatives today whose actions have at least an authoritarian vibe. I'm sorry you don't like that and choose to ignore or even reply to what I have posted.

Property rights? Since you can own your own business and home under a fascist regime I'm not sure what your point is. Where as socialism you can as well as you would in a capitalist society. Now with a communist regime...well, if it's like China you can own your own home there as well. So, what is your point here?

I feel like you're trying to make a point but you want me to do it for you? Right? No?

No, you didn't. You never give specifics because you either don't know what they are (likely) or because you do know but don't want to admit them. So once again little dodge ball. What are the Private Property Rights differences between socialism and fascism.

Oh boy. Dude, you are lazy. If you want to prove there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism then do it. I gave you examples of conservatives today who have beliefs that are authoritarian leaning (and that's being kind). I can't help it if you refuse to read the post and reply to the words in it.

And again with the property rights. What are the differences in property rights between a capitalist country and a democratic socialist one? Well, first you'd have to find a capitalist country that has no form of socialism and that's not going to be easy. And considering you could own a home in Nazi Germany and the United States I'm not really sure what your point is. If you have one to make then make it.

 

[westwall]

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

I gave you specifics and I gave you examples of conservatives today whose actions have at least an authoritarian vibe. I'm sorry you don't like that and choose to ignore or even reply to what I have posted.

Property rights? Since you can own your own business and home under a fascist regime I'm not sure what your point is. Where as socialism you can as well as you would in a capitalist society. Now with a communist regime...well, if it's like China you can own your own home there as well. So, what is your point here?

I feel like you're trying to make a point but you want me to do it for you? Right? No?

No, you didn't. You never give specifics because you either don't know what they are (likely) or because you do know but don't want to admit them. So once again little dodge ball. What are the Private Property Rights differences between socialism and fascism.

Oh boy. Dude, you are lazy. If you want to prove there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism then do it. I gave you examples of conservatives today who have beliefs that are authoritarian leaning (and that's being kind). I can't help it if you refuse to read the post and reply to the words in it.

And again with the property rights. What are the differences in property rights between a capitalist country and a democratic socialist one? Well, first you'd have to find a capitalist country that has no form of socialism and that's not going to be easy. And considering you could own a home in Nazi Germany and the United States I'm not really sure what your point is. If you have one to make then make it.

I have asked you to do a simple thing and all you can do is resort to insults in a wild effort to avoid that very simple thing. What has you so scared dude?

 

[HappyJoy]

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

I gave you specifics and I gave you examples of conservatives today whose actions have at least an authoritarian vibe. I'm sorry you don't like that and choose to ignore or even reply to what I have posted.

Property rights? Since you can own your own business and home under a fascist regime I'm not sure what your point is. Where as socialism you can as well as you would in a capitalist society. Now with a communist regime...well, if it's like China you can own your own home there as well. So, what is your point here?

I feel like you're trying to make a point but you want me to do it for you? Right? No?

No, you didn't. You never give specifics because you either don't know what they are (likely) or because you do know but don't want to admit them. So once again little dodge ball. What are the Private Property Rights differences between socialism and fascism.

Oh boy. Dude, you are lazy. If you want to prove there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism then do it. I gave you examples of conservatives today who have beliefs that are authoritarian leaning (and that's being kind). I can't help it if you refuse to read the post and reply to the words in it.

And again with the property rights. What are the differences in property rights between a capitalist country and a democratic socialist one? Well, first you'd have to find a capitalist country that has no form of socialism and that's not going to be easy. And considering you could own a home in Nazi Germany and the United States I'm not really sure what your point is. If you have one to make then make it.

I have asked you to do a simple thing and all you can do is resort to insults in a wild effort to avoid that very simple thing. What has you so scared dude?

I gave you an answer, if you don't like it answer it yourself or you're being kind of pointless here, you haven't demonstrated, sourced or answered any questions yourself.

 

[westwall]

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

I gave you specifics and I gave you examples of conservatives today whose actions have at least an authoritarian vibe. I'm sorry you don't like that and choose to ignore or even reply to what I have posted.

Property rights? Since you can own your own business and home under a fascist regime I'm not sure what your point is. Where as socialism you can as well as you would in a capitalist society. Now with a communist regime...well, if it's like China you can own your own home there as well. So, what is your point here?

I feel like you're trying to make a point but you want me to do it for you? Right? No?

No, you didn't. You never give specifics because you either don't know what they are (likely) or because you do know but don't want to admit them. So once again little dodge ball. What are the Private Property Rights differences between socialism and fascism.

Oh boy. Dude, you are lazy. If you want to prove there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism then do it. I gave you examples of conservatives today who have beliefs that are authoritarian leaning (and that's being kind). I can't help it if you refuse to read the post and reply to the words in it.

And again with the property rights. What are the differences in property rights between a capitalist country and a democratic socialist one? Well, first you'd have to find a capitalist country that has no form of socialism and that's not going to be easy. And considering you could own a home in Nazi Germany and the United States I'm not really sure what your point is. If you have one to make then make it.

I have asked you to do a simple thing and all you can do is resort to insults in a wild effort to avoid that very simple thing. What has you so scared dude?

I gave you an answer, if you don't like it answer it yourself or you're being kind of pointless here, you haven't demonstrated, sourced or answered any questions yourself.

Property rights were virtually non existent for the civilian population of Soviet Russia. You lived where the State told you. So, what about the fascist? Here is their take on private property.


"Private property" as conceived under liberalistic economic order was a reversal of the true concept of property. This "private proprerty" represented the right of the individual to manage and to speculate with inherited or acquired property as he pleased, without regard to the general interests...German socialism had to overcome this "private", that is, unrestrained and irresponsible view of property. All property is common property. The owner is bound by the people and the Reich to the responsible management of his goods. His legal position is only justified when he satisfies this responsibility to the community.-Ernst Huber, Verfassungsrecht des grossdeutschen Reiches (Hamburg, 1939)

So, we see that CAPITALISM is the enemy of both the socialists, and the fascists. Funny.

How about these famous fascist quotes? Do they sound familiar to you?

"We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunities for employment and earning a living.

The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and for the good of all. Therefore, we demand:...an end to the power of the financial interests.

We demand profit sharing in big business.

We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.

We demand...the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education...We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents...

The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth."

[We] combat the...materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.-(Nazi party platform adopted at Munich, February 24, 1920;Der Nationalsozialismus Dokumente 1933-1945, edited by Walther Hofer, Frankfurt am Main: Fischer Bucherei, 1957, pp. 29-31).


Or how about a quote from the biggest fascist of all?

"It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole...that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual....This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture....The basic attitude form which such activity arises, we call -- to distinguish it from egoism and selfishness -- idealism. By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men.- (Adolf Hitler speaking at Bueckeburg, Oct. 7, 1933; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-39, ed. N.H. Baynes (2 vols., Oxford, 1942), I, 871-72; translation Professor George Reisman.)

Or how about Hitlers views on Marx?


I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and penpushers have timidly begun...I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order.- (Hitler to Rauschning, The Voice of Destruction, pg. 186).

Whenever you look at how the government of either power treated its people it becomes obvious that they are one and the same.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I gave you the differences between far right and left authoritarians and provided a source. You've given nothing, your questions are nothing more than red herrings.

And now you want to know the difference a citizen faces 'under a socialist government, and a socialist one'? Yeah, you're making a lot of sense there Einstein.

Funny, we weren't even talking about socialism before. But if you mean democratic socialism like in much of Europe? I imagine it's pretty good and democratic. Unlike say Russia.

No, you didn't. You have dodged around what I asked of you. ANSWER the question. And use your own damned words, or are you incapable of even that simple a project?

Oppression is going to feel like oppression. I have used my own words and I've also provided you a source, my source did a much better job of describing the differences. In the meantime you haven't done shit to prove your point.

There are plenty of conservatives who have authoritarian tendencies. For example, in 2018 many still don't want gay marriage to be legal. They are OK with removing citizens from the voting roles and often times because they blame immigrants and minorities for illegally voting. They hold rallies demonstrating their racial superiority, many want to kick out people of color. Their leaders tell them how evil the free press is and how they are being screwed over by poor people. They want to ban people based on their religion and spy on them without cause in their places of worship. They want to tell them when and where they can build their mosques and they don't see any moral conflicts with separating families and caging their children with little to no concern for having a plan to reunite these families. They force children into court, as little as 3 or 4 years old to defend their status in this country.

Oh, there is such a thing as right wing authoritarians, it's just hard to see when you agree with them.

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

Telling people that they can't marry someone of the same sex, or passing laws to keep certain people from voting is not specific enough for you? Or, as I mentioned, laws robbing women of reproductive choices are also authoritarian. You just can't accept that. That does not make it less true.

 

[westwall]

No, you didn't. You have dodged around what I asked of you. ANSWER the question. And use your own damned words, or are you incapable of even that simple a project?

Oppression is going to feel like oppression. I have used my own words and I've also provided you a source, my source did a much better job of describing the differences. In the meantime you haven't done shit to prove your point.

There are plenty of conservatives who have authoritarian tendencies. For example, in 2018 many still don't want gay marriage to be legal. They are OK with removing citizens from the voting roles and often times because they blame immigrants and minorities for illegally voting. They hold rallies demonstrating their racial superiority, many want to kick out people of color. Their leaders tell them how evil the free press is and how they are being screwed over by poor people. They want to ban people based on their religion and spy on them without cause in their places of worship. They want to tell them when and where they can build their mosques and they don't see any moral conflicts with separating families and caging their children with little to no concern for having a plan to reunite these families. They force children into court, as little as 3 or 4 years old to defend their status in this country.

Oh, there is such a thing as right wing authoritarians, it's just hard to see when you agree with them.

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

Telling people that they can't marry someone of the same sex, or passing laws to keep certain people from voting is not specific enough for you? Or, as I mentioned, laws robing women of reproductive choices are also authoritarian. You just can't accept that. Does not make it less true.

Socialists and fascist BOTH do that. Thanks for the help. Which is more authoritarian, saying women can't have an abortion, or saying they MUST have an abortion as China does? BTW, that is the reason why I am pro choice. The second a government takes the power to deny, it has also taken the power to say you must. Once again, fascism and socialism are the same.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Oppression is going to feel like oppression. I have used my own words and I've also provided you a source, my source did a much better job of describing the differences. In the meantime you haven't done shit to prove your point.

There are plenty of conservatives who have authoritarian tendencies. For example, in 2018 many still don't want gay marriage to be legal. They are OK with removing citizens from the voting roles and often times because they blame immigrants and minorities for illegally voting. They hold rallies demonstrating their racial superiority, many want to kick out people of color. Their leaders tell them how evil the free press is and how they are being screwed over by poor people. They want to ban people based on their religion and spy on them without cause in their places of worship. They want to tell them when and where they can build their mosques and they don't see any moral conflicts with separating families and caging their children with little to no concern for having a plan to reunite these families. They force children into court, as little as 3 or 4 years old to defend their status in this country.

Oh, there is such a thing as right wing authoritarians, it's just hard to see when you agree with them.

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

Telling people that they can't marry someone of the same sex, or passing laws to keep certain people from voting is not specific enough for you? Or, as I mentioned, laws robing women of reproductive choices are also authoritarian. You just can't accept that. Does not make it less true.

Socialists and fascist BOTH do that. Thanks for the help. Which is more authoritarian, saying women can't have an abortion, or saying they MUST have an abortion as China does? BTW, that is the reason why I am pro choice. The second a government takes the power to deny, it has also taken the power to say you must. Once again, fascism and socialism are the same.

Again , you're conflating an economic system that strives for equality with an oppressive political ideology that marginalizes selected minorities and elevate the elite. Which is more authoritarian, saying women can't have an abortion? They are equally oppressive and authoritarian.

China , like Russia, is a sham, bastardized version of socialism super imposed on an authoritarian, fascist political system You can keep bleating that fascism and socialism are the same until you turn blue but that does not make it true

PS: You seem to have avoided the question that I put to you. "Is Bernie Sanders a Fascist?? Yes or no and why.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Civil, and Liberty.

Two words that burn the hands of conservative when they try to hold them in their hands.

Conservatives are much more comfortable with Uncivil Detention Camps.

 

[westwall]

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

Telling people that they can't marry someone of the same sex, or passing laws to keep certain people from voting is not specific enough for you? Or, as I mentioned, laws robing women of reproductive choices are also authoritarian. You just can't accept that. Does not make it less true.

Socialists and fascist BOTH do that. Thanks for the help. Which is more authoritarian, saying women can't have an abortion, or saying they MUST have an abortion as China does? BTW, that is the reason why I am pro choice. The second a government takes the power to deny, it has also taken the power to say you must. Once again, fascism and socialism are the same.

Again , you're conflating an economic system that strives for equality with an oppressive political ideology that marginalizes selected minorities and elevate the elite. Which is more authoritarian, saying women can't have an abortion? They are equally oppressive and authoritarian.

China , like Russia, is a sham, bastardized version of socialism super imposed on an authoritarian, fascist political system You can keep bleating that fascism and socialism are the same until you turn blue but that does not make it true

PS: You seem to have avoided the question that I put to you. "Is Bernie Sanders a Fascist?? Yes or no and why.

No, I am not. They both use oppressive economic systems to get their way. One is merely more overt than the other. Yes, Bernie is ultimately a fascist. He believes in a collectivist government. ALL collectivist governments are socialist, which means they are also fascist.

 

[westwall]

Civil, and Liberty.

Two words that burn the hands of conservative when they try to hold them in their hands.

Conservatives are much more comfortable with Uncivil Detention Camps.

Tell that to the Japanese interred by DEMOCRAT FDR.

 

[westwall]

Here is another important quote from the leader of the fascists...

"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it, there is, above all, genuine revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communist always will"- Rauschning's The Voice of Destruction, pg. 131)

 

[IsaacNewton]

Civil, and Liberty.

Two words that burn the hands of conservative when they try to hold them in their hands.

Conservatives are much more comfortable with Uncivil Detention Camps.

Tell that to the Japanese interred by DEMOCRAT FDR.

So how many times have you called your dear leader to offer them reparations? None!? Why you sound utterly hypocritical!

 

[westwall]

Civil, and Liberty.

Two words that burn the hands of conservative when they try to hold them in their hands.

Conservatives are much more comfortable with Uncivil Detention Camps.

Tell that to the Japanese interred by DEMOCRAT FDR.

So how many times have you called your dear leader to offer them reparations? None!? Why you sound utterly hypocritical!

You claimed it was the repubs who are doing it, yet when it is pointed out to you that it is your hero that actually DID IT. That is the best you can come up with? You are one pathetic little 'tard. You truly are.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Civil, and Liberty.

Two words that burn the hands of conservative when they try to hold them in their hands.

Conservatives are much more comfortable with Uncivil Detention Camps.

Tell that to the Japanese interred by DEMOCRAT FDR.

So how many times have you called your dear leader to offer them reparations? None!? Why you sound utterly hypocritical!

You claimed it was the repubs who are doing it, yet when it is pointed out to you that it is your hero that actually DID IT. That is the best you can come up with? You are one pathetic little 'tard. You truly are.

 

[Marion Morrison]

The slickest thing the ACLU ever did is name itself "civil liberties". It's far from that.

"Commie Liberties" would be more accurate.

 

[HappyJoy]

I gave you specifics and I gave you examples of conservatives today whose actions have at least an authoritarian vibe. I'm sorry you don't like that and choose to ignore or even reply to what I have posted.

Property rights? Since you can own your own business and home under a fascist regime I'm not sure what your point is. Where as socialism you can as well as you would in a capitalist society. Now with a communist regime...well, if it's like China you can own your own home there as well. So, what is your point here?

I feel like you're trying to make a point but you want me to do it for you? Right? No?

No, you didn't. You never give specifics because you either don't know what they are (likely) or because you do know but don't want to admit them. So once again little dodge ball. What are the Private Property Rights differences between socialism and fascism.

Oh boy. Dude, you are lazy. If you want to prove there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism then do it. I gave you examples of conservatives today who have beliefs that are authoritarian leaning (and that's being kind). I can't help it if you refuse to read the post and reply to the words in it.

And again with the property rights. What are the differences in property rights between a capitalist country and a democratic socialist one? Well, first you'd have to find a capitalist country that has no form of socialism and that's not going to be easy. And considering you could own a home in Nazi Germany and the United States I'm not really sure what your point is. If you have one to make then make it.

I have asked you to do a simple thing and all you can do is resort to insults in a wild effort to avoid that very simple thing. What has you so scared dude?

I gave you an answer, if you don't like it answer it yourself or you're being kind of pointless here, you haven't demonstrated, sourced or answered any questions yourself.

Property rights were virtually non existent for the civilian population of Soviet Russia. You lived where the State told you. So, what about the fascist? Here is their take on private property.


"Private property" as conceived under liberalistic economic order was a reversal of the true concept of property. This "private proprerty" represented the right of the individual to manage and to speculate with inherited or acquired property as he pleased, without regard to the general interests...German socialism had to overcome this "private", that is, unrestrained and irresponsible view of property. All property is common property. The owner is bound by the people and the Reich to the responsible management of his goods. His legal position is only justified when he satisfies this responsibility to the community.-Ernst Huber, Verfassungsrecht des grossdeutschen Reiches (Hamburg, 1939)

Oh boy. Yes an authoritarian government wanted you to use your property for the common good of the nation. That's not unusual to some extend in any form of government be it Capitalism, Fascism (not diametrically opposed btw) or any other. Hitler also said this about private property:

"I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative" There were private corporations that worked with the Nazi regime. It's never a good idea when private industries collude so closely with government that's the heart of corruption, just look at Scott Pruitt for that.

Anyway, Nazi Germany and private industry:

http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/cap...storicalGermanAccounts/BuchheimScherner06.pdf
There have been others, however, who considered the regime as an instrument of big business by which the latter emerged from the Great Depression even more powerful than before.5 "Big Business" is indeed the right term with regard to the second hypothesis, because it did not deal with industry in general, but focused on "organized capitalism," namely industrial organizations, cartels, and trusts such as the companies of heavy industry or IG Farben. In a well-known early book, Franz Neumann pointed to the increased strength accruing to this kind of capitalism as well as to an alleged community of interest with the Nazi Party regarding territorial expansion of the Reich. Therefore Neumann felt entitled to speak of an alliance between the party and big industry, supplemented by the military and the bureaucracy. According to his view, each of these, in furthering its aims, was dependent on the other three.6 Similarly, Arthur Schweitzer detected a coalition of the party, the generals, and big business, which originally was quite successful in achieving its mutual aims-above all rearmament and the suppression of trade unions. However, this first phase of the Third Reich-termed "partial fascism" by Schweitzer-gave way to "full fascism" from 1936 onwards due to internal disunity among big business and the generals,

Oh no, the Nazis had private industry that had influence on government and vica-versa, Yeah, that's not Communism nor is it of the left.

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For more than 30 years Vera Coking lived in a three-story house just off the Boardwalk in Atlantic City. Donald Trump built his 22-story Trump Plaza next door. In the mid-1990s Trump wanted to build a limousine parking lot for the hotel, so he bought several nearby properties. But three owners, including the by then elderly and widowed Ms Coking, refused to sell.

As his daughter Ivanka said in introducing him at his campaign announcement, Donald Trump doesn’t take no for an answer.

Trump turned to a government agency – the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority (CRDA) – to take Coking’s property….

Peter Banin and his brother owned another building on the block. A few months after they paid $500,000 to purchase the building for a pawn shop, CRDA offered them $174,000 and told them to leave the property. A Russian immigrant, Banin said: “I knew they could do this in Russia, but not here. I would understand if they needed it for an airport runway, but for a casino?”

Kind of falls under that government telling citizens what they think of private property, eh? But you're probably OK with that and it's totally cool for government to kick people out so that some rich asshole has room for his casino. Talk about government picking winners and losers, sheesh. Anyway, kind of authoritarian.

So, we see that CAPITALISM is the enemy of both the socialists, and the fascists. Funny.

No, we do not see that at all. Super duper funny.

How about these famous fascist quotes? Do they sound familiar to you?

"We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunities for employment and earning a living.

When has a United States President ever not pledged more employment opportunities? You know, like Trump and considering there was private industry in Nazi Germany this is more of a campaign promise than anything.

The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and for the good of all. Therefore, we demand:...an end to the power of the financial interests.

We demand profit sharing in big business.

We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.

We demand...the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education...We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents...

The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth."

[We] combat the...materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.-(Nazi party platform adopted at Munich, February 24, 1920;Der Nationalsozialismus Dokumente 1933-1945, edited by Walther Hofer, Frankfurt am Main: Fischer Bucherei, 1957, pp. 29-31).

Yeah, I'm really not surprised by any of this. Considering Germany like everyone else was getting out of the world depression and sacrifices were asked of everyone, this doesn't really shock me as in the United States, and into WWII citizens were asked to sacrifice for country.

Anyway, I mean you're saying funding public education makes one a Nazi now? I'm sure Thomas Jefferson and John Adams would be thrilled about you throwing them in the right wing authoritarian pot.

Or how about a quote from the biggest fascist of all?

"It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole...that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual....This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture....The basic attitude form which such activity arises, we call -- to distinguish it from egoism and selfishness -- idealism. By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men.- (Adolf Hitler speaking at Bueckeburg, Oct. 7, 1933; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-39, ed. N.H. Baynes (2 vols., Oxford, 1942), I, 871-72; translation Professor George Reisman.)

You're kidding, right? Hitler is rather famously not being inclusive about Jews and minorities here, he is rebuilding a country that was embarrassed in the last world war and he found his scapegoats and blaming them for all of Germany's ills. Kind of like Trump accusing Mexicans of being rapists and drug dealers or wanting to infringe on the rights of Muslims. This is straight up right wing, Hitler very much lied, he told the people what they wanted to hear and he had Communists as his competitors and he said quite a few things that were contradictory.

For Hitler being such a commie it's amazing that it's right wing nationalists and supremacists who still fawn over him. Why is that?

Or how about Hitlers views on Marx?

I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and penpushers have timidly begun...I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order.- (Hitler to Rauschning, The Voice of Destruction, pg. 186).

Whenever you look at how the government of either power treated its people it becomes obvious that they are one and the same.

Yeah, like I said above, I don't trust Hitler to tell the truth about anything.

Why no quotes about Hitler's religion? I mean, Communists are famously athiests.

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement)
was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.”

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

“I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it.”

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is
the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty
to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and
work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only
for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning
and see these men standing in their queues and look into their
pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very
devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two
thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people
are plundered and exposed.”


So, we could quote Hitler all day long, he lied to his own people so why do you believe him now?

There was private property and private industry in Nazi Germany, there was not in the USSR. Germany was a Christian country, most communist countries are not. Communism is based on the collective in practice, a classless system, Nazi Germany was not regardless of some of the rhetoric. Sure there are overtures to shared responsibilities however that's not uncommon in any country including ours especially times of war and economic hardship both of which were experienced in Germany.

Next thing you know you're going to tell me what an anarchist Trump is.

 

[HappyJoy]

No, you didn't. You have dodged around what I asked of you. ANSWER the question. And use your own damned words, or are you incapable of even that simple a project?

Oppression is going to feel like oppression. I have used my own words and I've also provided you a source, my source did a much better job of describing the differences. In the meantime you haven't done shit to prove your point.

There are plenty of conservatives who have authoritarian tendencies. For example, in 2018 many still don't want gay marriage to be legal. They are OK with removing citizens from the voting roles and often times because they blame immigrants and minorities for illegally voting. They hold rallies demonstrating their racial superiority, many want to kick out people of color. Their leaders tell them how evil the free press is and how they are being screwed over by poor people. They want to ban people based on their religion and spy on them without cause in their places of worship. They want to tell them when and where they can build their mosques and they don't see any moral conflicts with separating families and caging their children with little to no concern for having a plan to reunite these families. They force children into court, as little as 3 or 4 years old to defend their status in this country.

Oh, there is such a thing as right wing authoritarians, it's just hard to see when you agree with them.

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

Telling people that they can't marry someone of the same sex, or passing laws to keep certain people from voting is not specific enough for you? Or, as I mentioned, laws robbing women of reproductive choices are also authoritarian. You just can't accept that. That does not make it less true.

It's not, he's pretty much relying almost exclusively on Adolf Hitler quotes.

 

[HappyJoy]

Oppression is going to feel like oppression. I have used my own words and I've also provided you a source, my source did a much better job of describing the differences. In the meantime you haven't done shit to prove your point.

There are plenty of conservatives who have authoritarian tendencies. For example, in 2018 many still don't want gay marriage to be legal. They are OK with removing citizens from the voting roles and often times because they blame immigrants and minorities for illegally voting. They hold rallies demonstrating their racial superiority, many want to kick out people of color. Their leaders tell them how evil the free press is and how they are being screwed over by poor people. They want to ban people based on their religion and spy on them without cause in their places of worship. They want to tell them when and where they can build their mosques and they don't see any moral conflicts with separating families and caging their children with little to no concern for having a plan to reunite these families. They force children into court, as little as 3 or 4 years old to defend their status in this country.

Oh, there is such a thing as right wing authoritarians, it's just hard to see when you agree with them.

C'mon happy. You have to be better than this. I want you to go into just a little bit of detail here. You need to put a modicum of effort into this you central thesis.

Effort into what? I've put more effort into this than you have, you lazy.

I asked you for specifics, and you respond with generalizations. In other words, you either don't really know what you are talking about, or you know, you just don't want to admit it. I will make it easier for you. How are property Rights different between socialism and fascism?

Telling people that they can't marry someone of the same sex, or passing laws to keep certain people from voting is not specific enough for you? Or, as I mentioned, laws robing women of reproductive choices are also authoritarian. You just can't accept that. Does not make it less true.

Socialists and fascist BOTH do that. Thanks for the help. Which is more authoritarian, saying women can't have an abortion, or saying they MUST have an abortion as China does? BTW, that is the reason why I am pro choice. The second a government takes the power to deny, it has also taken the power to say you must. Once again, fascism and socialism are the same.

So, when the right forces women to have children you think they are being Communists?

 

[Marion Morrison]

No, you didn't. You never give specifics because you either don't know what they are (likely) or because you do know but don't want to admit them. So once again little dodge ball. What are the Private Property Rights differences between socialism and fascism.

Oh boy. Dude, you are lazy. If you want to prove there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism then do it. I gave you examples of conservatives today who have beliefs that are authoritarian leaning (and that's being kind). I can't help it if you refuse to read the post and reply to the words in it.

And again with the property rights. What are the differences in property rights between a capitalist country and a democratic socialist one? Well, first you'd have to find a capitalist country that has no form of socialism and that's not going to be easy. And considering you could own a home in Nazi Germany and the United States I'm not really sure what your point is. If you have one to make then make it.

I have asked you to do a simple thing and all you can do is resort to insults in a wild effort to avoid that very simple thing. What has you so scared dude?

I gave you an answer, if you don't like it answer it yourself or you're being kind of pointless here, you haven't demonstrated, sourced or answered any questions yourself.

Property rights were virtually non existent for the civilian population of Soviet Russia. You lived where the State told you. So, what about the fascist? Here is their take on private property.


"Private property" as conceived under liberalistic economic order was a reversal of the true concept of property. This "private proprerty" represented the right of the individual to manage and to speculate with inherited or acquired property as he pleased, without regard to the general interests...German socialism had to overcome this "private", that is, unrestrained and irresponsible view of property. All property is common property. The owner is bound by the people and the Reich to the responsible management of his goods. His legal position is only justified when he satisfies this responsibility to the community.-Ernst Huber, Verfassungsrecht des grossdeutschen Reiches (Hamburg, 1939)

Oh boy. Yes an authoritarian government wanted you to use your property for the common good of the nation. That's not unusual to some extend in any form of government be it Capitalism, Fascism (not diametrically opposed btw) or any other. Hitler also said this about private property:

"I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative" There were private corporations that worked with the Nazi regime. It's never a good idea when private industries collude so closely with government that's the heart of corruption, just look at Scott Pruitt for that.

Anyway, Nazi Germany and private industry:

http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/cap...storicalGermanAccounts/BuchheimScherner06.pdf
There have been others, however, who considered the regime as an instrument of big business by which the latter emerged from the Great Depression even more powerful than before.5 "Big Business" is indeed the right term with regard to the second hypothesis, because it did not deal with industry in general, but focused on "organized capitalism," namely industrial organizations, cartels, and trusts such as the companies of heavy industry or IG Farben. In a well-known early book, Franz Neumann pointed to the increased strength accruing to this kind of capitalism as well as to an alleged community of interest with the Nazi Party regarding territorial expansion of the Reich. Therefore Neumann felt entitled to speak of an alliance between the party and big industry, supplemented by the military and the bureaucracy. According to his view, each of these, in furthering its aims, was dependent on the other three.6 Similarly, Arthur Schweitzer detected a coalition of the party, the generals, and big business, which originally was quite successful in achieving its mutual aims-above all rearmament and the suppression of trade unions. However, this first phase of the Third Reich-termed "partial fascism" by Schweitzer-gave way to "full fascism" from 1936 onwards due to internal disunity among big business and the generals,

Oh no, the Nazis had private industry that had influence on government and vica-versa, Yeah, that's not Communism nor is it of the left.

What are Trump's views on Eminent domain?

Opinion | Donald Trump’s history of eminent domain abuse

For more than 30 years Vera Coking lived in a three-story house just off the Boardwalk in Atlantic City. Donald Trump built his 22-story Trump Plaza next door. In the mid-1990s Trump wanted to build a limousine parking lot for the hotel, so he bought several nearby properties. But three owners, including the by then elderly and widowed Ms Coking, refused to sell.

As his daughter Ivanka said in introducing him at his campaign announcement, Donald Trump doesn’t take no for an answer.

Trump turned to a government agency – the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority (CRDA) – to take Coking’s property….

Peter Banin and his brother owned another building on the block. A few months after they paid $500,000 to purchase the building for a pawn shop, CRDA offered them $174,000 and told them to leave the property. A Russian immigrant, Banin said: “I knew they could do this in Russia, but not here. I would understand if they needed it for an airport runway, but for a casino?”

Kind of falls under that government telling citizens what they think of private property, eh? But you're probably OK with that and it's totally cool for government to kick people out so that some rich asshole has room for his casino. Talk about government picking winners and losers, sheesh. Anyway, kind of authoritarian.

So, we see that CAPITALISM is the enemy of both the socialists, and the fascists. Funny.

No, we do not see that at all. Super duper funny.

How about these famous fascist quotes? Do they sound familiar to you?

"We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunities for employment and earning a living.

When has a United States President ever not pledged more employment opportunities? You know, like Trump and considering there was private industry in Nazi Germany this is more of a campaign promise than anything.

The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and for the good of all. Therefore, we demand:...an end to the power of the financial interests.

We demand profit sharing in big business.

We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.

We demand...the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education...We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents...

The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth."

[We] combat the...materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.-(Nazi party platform adopted at Munich, February 24, 1920;Der Nationalsozialismus Dokumente 1933-1945, edited by Walther Hofer, Frankfurt am Main: Fischer Bucherei, 1957, pp. 29-31).

Yeah, I'm really not surprised by any of this. Considering Germany like everyone else was getting out of the world depression and sacrifices were asked of everyone, this doesn't really shock me as in the United States, and into WWII citizens were asked to sacrifice for country.

Anyway, I mean you're saying funding public education makes one a Nazi now? I'm sure Thomas Jefferson and John Adams would be thrilled about you throwing them in the right wing authoritarian pot.

Or how about a quote from the biggest fascist of all?

"It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole...that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual....This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture....The basic attitude form which such activity arises, we call -- to distinguish it from egoism and selfishness -- idealism. By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men.- (Adolf Hitler speaking at Bueckeburg, Oct. 7, 1933; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-39, ed. N.H. Baynes (2 vols., Oxford, 1942), I, 871-72; translation Professor George Reisman.)

You're kidding, right? Hitler is rather famously not being inclusive about Jews and minorities here, he is rebuilding a country that was embarrassed in the last world war and he found his scapegoats and blaming them for all of Germany's ills. Kind of like Trump accusing Mexicans of being rapists and drug dealers or wanting to infringe on the rights of Muslims. This is straight up right wing, Hitler very much lied, he told the people what they wanted to hear and he had Communists as his competitors and he said quite a few things that were contradictory.

For Hitler being such a commie it's amazing that it's right wing nationalists and supremacists who still fawn over him. Why is that?

Or how about Hitlers views on Marx?

I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and penpushers have timidly begun...I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order.- (Hitler to Rauschning, The Voice of Destruction, pg. 186).

Whenever you look at how the government of either power treated its people it becomes obvious that they are one and the same.

Yeah, like I said above, I don't trust Hitler to tell the truth about anything.

Why no quotes about Hitler's religion? I mean, Communists are famously athiests.

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement)
was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.”

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

“I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it.”

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is
the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty
to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and
work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only
for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning
and see these men standing in their queues and look into their
pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very
devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two
thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people
are plundered and exposed.”


So, we could quote Hitler all day long, he lied to his own people so why do you believe him now?

There was private property and private industry in Nazi Germany, there was not in the USSR. Germany was a Christian country, most communist countries are not. Communism is based on the collective in practice, a classless system, Nazi Germany was not regardless of some of the rhetoric. Sure there are overtures to shared responsibilities however that's not uncommon in any country including ours especially times of war and economic hardship both of which were experienced in Germany.

Next thing you know you're going to tell me what an anarchist Trump is.

TL; DR You're a leftist faggot, parroting the Globalist "Nazi" demonizing of Trump.

What's it like to be so UnAmerican?

 

[HappyJoy]

Oh boy. Dude, you are lazy. If you want to prove there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism then do it. I gave you examples of conservatives today who have beliefs that are authoritarian leaning (and that's being kind). I can't help it if you refuse to read the post and reply to the words in it.

And again with the property rights. What are the differences in property rights between a capitalist country and a democratic socialist one? Well, first you'd have to find a capitalist country that has no form of socialism and that's not going to be easy. And considering you could own a home in Nazi Germany and the United States I'm not really sure what your point is. If you have one to make then make it.

I have asked you to do a simple thing and all you can do is resort to insults in a wild effort to avoid that very simple thing. What has you so scared dude?

I gave you an answer, if you don't like it answer it yourself or you're being kind of pointless here, you haven't demonstrated, sourced or answered any questions yourself.

Property rights were virtually non existent for the civilian population of Soviet Russia. You lived where the State told you. So, what about the fascist? Here is their take on private property.


"Private property" as conceived under liberalistic economic order was a reversal of the true concept of property. This "private proprerty" represented the right of the individual to manage and to speculate with inherited or acquired property as he pleased, without regard to the general interests...German socialism had to overcome this "private", that is, unrestrained and irresponsible view of property. All property is common property. The owner is bound by the people and the Reich to the responsible management of his goods. His legal position is only justified when he satisfies this responsibility to the community.-Ernst Huber, Verfassungsrecht des grossdeutschen Reiches (Hamburg, 1939)

Oh boy. Yes an authoritarian government wanted you to use your property for the common good of the nation. That's not unusual to some extend in any form of government be it Capitalism, Fascism (not diametrically opposed btw) or any other. Hitler also said this about private property:

"I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative" There were private corporations that worked with the Nazi regime. It's never a good idea when private industries collude so closely with government that's the heart of corruption, just look at Scott Pruitt for that.

Anyway, Nazi Germany and private industry:

http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/cap...storicalGermanAccounts/BuchheimScherner06.pdf
There have been others, however, who considered the regime as an instrument of big business by which the latter emerged from the Great Depression even more powerful than before.5 "Big Business" is indeed the right term with regard to the second hypothesis, because it did not deal with industry in general, but focused on "organized capitalism," namely industrial organizations, cartels, and trusts such as the companies of heavy industry or IG Farben. In a well-known early book, Franz Neumann pointed to the increased strength accruing to this kind of capitalism as well as to an alleged community of interest with the Nazi Party regarding territorial expansion of the Reich. Therefore Neumann felt entitled to speak of an alliance between the party and big industry, supplemented by the military and the bureaucracy. According to his view, each of these, in furthering its aims, was dependent on the other three.6 Similarly, Arthur Schweitzer detected a coalition of the party, the generals, and big business, which originally was quite successful in achieving its mutual aims-above all rearmament and the suppression of trade unions. However, this first phase of the Third Reich-termed "partial fascism" by Schweitzer-gave way to "full fascism" from 1936 onwards due to internal disunity among big business and the generals,

Oh no, the Nazis had private industry that had influence on government and vica-versa, Yeah, that's not Communism nor is it of the left.

What are Trump's views on Eminent domain?

Opinion | Donald Trump’s history of eminent domain abuse

For more than 30 years Vera Coking lived in a three-story house just off the Boardwalk in Atlantic City. Donald Trump built his 22-story Trump Plaza next door. In the mid-1990s Trump wanted to build a limousine parking lot for the hotel, so he bought several nearby properties. But three owners, including the by then elderly and widowed Ms Coking, refused to sell.

As his daughter Ivanka said in introducing him at his campaign announcement, Donald Trump doesn’t take no for an answer.

Trump turned to a government agency – the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority (CRDA) – to take Coking’s property….

Peter Banin and his brother owned another building on the block. A few months after they paid $500,000 to purchase the building for a pawn shop, CRDA offered them $174,000 and told them to leave the property. A Russian immigrant, Banin said: “I knew they could do this in Russia, but not here. I would understand if they needed it for an airport runway, but for a casino?”

Kind of falls under that government telling citizens what they think of private property, eh? But you're probably OK with that and it's totally cool for government to kick people out so that some rich asshole has room for his casino. Talk about government picking winners and losers, sheesh. Anyway, kind of authoritarian.

So, we see that CAPITALISM is the enemy of both the socialists, and the fascists. Funny.

No, we do not see that at all. Super duper funny.

How about these famous fascist quotes? Do they sound familiar to you?

"We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunities for employment and earning a living.

When has a United States President ever not pledged more employment opportunities? You know, like Trump and considering there was private industry in Nazi Germany this is more of a campaign promise than anything.

The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and for the good of all. Therefore, we demand:...an end to the power of the financial interests.

We demand profit sharing in big business.

We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.

We demand...the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education...We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents...

The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth."

[We] combat the...materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.-(Nazi party platform adopted at Munich, February 24, 1920;Der Nationalsozialismus Dokumente 1933-1945, edited by Walther Hofer, Frankfurt am Main: Fischer Bucherei, 1957, pp. 29-31).

Yeah, I'm really not surprised by any of this. Considering Germany like everyone else was getting out of the world depression and sacrifices were asked of everyone, this doesn't really shock me as in the United States, and into WWII citizens were asked to sacrifice for country.

Anyway, I mean you're saying funding public education makes one a Nazi now? I'm sure Thomas Jefferson and John Adams would be thrilled about you throwing them in the right wing authoritarian pot.

Or how about a quote from the biggest fascist of all?

"It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole...that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual....This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture....The basic attitude form which such activity arises, we call -- to distinguish it from egoism and selfishness -- idealism. By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men.- (Adolf Hitler speaking at Bueckeburg, Oct. 7, 1933; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-39, ed. N.H. Baynes (2 vols., Oxford, 1942), I, 871-72; translation Professor George Reisman.)

You're kidding, right? Hitler is rather famously not being inclusive about Jews and minorities here, he is rebuilding a country that was embarrassed in the last world war and he found his scapegoats and blaming them for all of Germany's ills. Kind of like Trump accusing Mexicans of being rapists and drug dealers or wanting to infringe on the rights of Muslims. This is straight up right wing, Hitler very much lied, he told the people what they wanted to hear and he had Communists as his competitors and he said quite a few things that were contradictory.

For Hitler being such a commie it's amazing that it's right wing nationalists and supremacists who still fawn over him. Why is that?

Or how about Hitlers views on Marx?

I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and penpushers have timidly begun...I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order.- (Hitler to Rauschning, The Voice of Destruction, pg. 186).

Whenever you look at how the government of either power treated its people it becomes obvious that they are one and the same.

Yeah, like I said above, I don't trust Hitler to tell the truth about anything.

Why no quotes about Hitler's religion? I mean, Communists are famously athiests.

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement)
was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.”

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

“I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it.”

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is
the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty
to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and
work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only
for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning
and see these men standing in their queues and look into their
pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very
devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two
thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people
are plundered and exposed.”


So, we could quote Hitler all day long, he lied to his own people so why do you believe him now?

There was private property and private industry in Nazi Germany, there was not in the USSR. Germany was a Christian country, most communist countries are not. Communism is based on the collective in practice, a classless system, Nazi Germany was not regardless of some of the rhetoric. Sure there are overtures to shared responsibilities however that's not uncommon in any country including ours especially times of war and economic hardship both of which were experienced in Germany.

Next thing you know you're going to tell me what an anarchist Trump is.

TL; DR You're a leftist faggot, parroting the Globalist "Nazi" demonizing of Trump.

What's it like to be so UnAmerican?

What's it like to live in the cult of personality? You're a good little German ain't ya'? Man, it's still early you guys should at least try to hide your hardons, you look to eager to please.