I’ll try to find my links on Locke’s, Jefferson’s and Hamilton’s commentary on this subject but suffice it to say the right to revolt and imprison those who behave immorally according to nature’s law prove inalienable rights are conditional. But I totally agree that inalienable rights for those who behave with virtue cannot be justifiable taken away as they have met their duty and obligation to natural law which at that time was believed to be from God, regardless of one’s perception of God.
Afterlife….How About For You?
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Now, you're complaining when I am just laying out what Christians know and what atheists believe.
Atheists want proof because they have no proof of no God. They want empiricism. They also want to rebel against God. That's it in a nutshell. Otherwise, they would just go on living their lives to the fullest instead of being on R&E. There are those who even lie to themselves about it and claim atheism is not a religion. What malarkey. I have no idea what this has to do with magic and supernaturalism. Anyway, atheists are the ones who believe in that.
I didn't say that. What I said was that we all have to wait until after death for the day "every eye will see." This is what we all want. You can say that you don't, but then you wouldn't be on R&E answering questions about the afterlife or asking for empirical proof. You don't know, so how can you say that is ridiculous? I asked the empiricist here proof of there is no afterlife and none was presented. Thus, neither side has absolute proof.
Again, you confuse and jumble what I said. Nothing was rewritten. The Bible is read literally and the prophecies are allegory. In regards to this, we have God stretching out the universe. OTOH, we have dark energy stretching out the universe for the atheists. We will have dark matter explain the big bang. Something to replace God. Prior to this the universe was infinite instead of God being infinite. The other end time beliefs are global warming and being hit by an asteroid. AGW would be the long period of tribulation. The asteroid would represent the Day of the Lord. Just different interpretations of stuff from the Bible.
I didn't say NASA was evil either. These are the things you claim and like I said what the atheists believe from the NASA link. It also gets us off subject of the afterlife.
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No religion should be taught in public schools
The name of the Christian god is not God.
I'll capitalize
if a god was really omniscient wouldn't he know if a person is only pretending?
"Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)."
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia
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You just admitted that you think god can be duped by mere mortals
The two gifts accorded mankind are free will and intelligence.
God didn't create robots.
In Genesis, we have an occasion where God loses an argument to one of his creations....
I refer to Prager's book, "Genesis."
"GOD IS MORALLY CHALLENGED—A FIRST IN HUMAN HISTORY
18.24 What if there should be fifty innocent within the city; will You then wipe out the place and not forgive it for the sake of the innocent fifty who are in it? Abraham argues for sparing the entire city of Sodom if fifty innocent people live there.
18.25 Far be it from You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the innocent as well as the guilty, so that innocent and guilty fare alike. Far be it from You! Abraham not only argues with God, he declares God wrong—“Far be it from You”—if God should kill the innocent along with the guilty. The Hebrew words chalila l’cha may also be translated, “Don’t you dare do such a thing . . .” It is astonishing that anyone would feel he could speak to a deity in this way. Such a statement is unique among all bibles and perhaps all holy literature. But it is the essence of the Torah and of later Judaism that humans may have so real a relationship with God that we can actually speak this way to Him. This negotiation between Abraham and God led Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz to title his book on Abraham and the history of Jewish lawyers Abra- ham: The World’s First (But Certainly Not Last) Jewish Lawyer.
18.25 (cont.) Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”
Abraham was arguing a principle made famous thousands of years later by the English jurist William Blackstone. Known as “Blackstone’s Formulation” and still adhered to today in Western legal thought, it postulated “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.”4 What is as incredible as Abraham’s arguing with God is his assumption that God is just. It is incredible because we know of no other people at that time or be- fore who made such an assumption about their god(s). This assumption changed history. Never had a human being challenged a god or gods on moral grounds. This is one of many reasons the Torah is as different from pre-Torah thought as life is from non-life, and it is therefore one of the many reasons the Torah—like the emergence of life from non-life—can best be explained by attributing it to God.
Equally amazing, God was in no way upset with Abraham for arguing with Him, or even for the manner (verse 25) in which Abraham spoke to Him. God responded to Abraham’s moral argument by agreeing with him.
He prefaced his next request with a statement of humility.
18.28 What if the fifty innocent should lack five? Will You destroy the whole city for want of the five?” As a bargaining technique, Abraham did not say “forty-five.” He wanted to empha- size the number “five” hoping a compassionate God would not destroy an entire city because just five fewer good people resided there.
18.28 (cont.) And He answered, “I will not destroy if I find forty-five there.”
18.29 But he spoke to Him again, and said, “What if forty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it, for the sake of the forty.” Abraham kept lowering the number of innocent people. And God kept agreeing.
18.30 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I go on: What if thirty should be
found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
18.31 And he said, “I venture again to speak to my Lord: What if twenty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the twenty.”
18.32 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I speak out this last time: What if ten should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the ten.”
Nevertheless, a small group, as Abraham’s appeal suggests, can make a moral impact. In fact, most of the good that has ever even achieved has been initiated by small groups. Examples include the extraordinary group of founders of America, the handful of Christians who brought about the abolition of slavery, the dissidents in the Soviet Union and other tyrannies who helped bring down evil regimes, and the moral impact of the tiny group of people known as Jews.
In addition to a preoccupation with justice, Abraham demonstrated a concern for humanity in general (starting with the extraordinary hospitality he exhibited at the chapter’s opening). The people of Sodom are not his family, his people, his ethnicity, or his religion, yet their fate weighed on him."
God, in fact, appears to appreciate his creation exhibiting this sort of behavior and initiative.
So your god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven ?
He kind of sounds like an idiot to me if he is so easily fooled
My 'God' is capitalized.
Didn't you learn that in government school?
Bet you can't quote where I said "god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven."
Either you aren't the swiftest of students, or you believe that lying is a valid manner of advancing your argument.
Which is it?
To correct you, I've said that there is a determination for reward and punishment in an afterlife.
I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings.
So tell me why are you using Pascal's wager for an argument if the god you believe in can see right through it?
if you really believe that your god is omniscient wouldn't you be telling people that those who would make Pascal's wager are doomed because their ruse would be immediately discovered by a god that knows all?
Or do you really believe people should lie about believing in a god?
"I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings."
You know very well you're lying.....and that's the answer to my earlier question....you believe lying is acceptable.
The reason you don't capitalize the term is to show the sort of disrespect for the concept, and you've been trained to do.
I am not lying.
Humans have worshiped many gods.
The one you worship is just one in a very long list of gods.
And I told you why I don't capitalize the word god. It has nothing to do with your beliefs.
And FYI my mother was extremely religious so no one taught me not to capitalize the word god. I decided to do that of my own free will
There is only one God, it is the Judeo-Christian one that served as a foundation for the folks who created this nation.
You really didn't learn anything in that government school, did you.
Out of pity, I'll provide this:
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html
And YOU say there is only one god and you are hardly a credible source
I for one have seen no proof that any gods exist
One is being taught now, you fool: militant secularism, neo-Marxism.
The only religion banned is that of our Founders.
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Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
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2. - School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
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The teacher also told Sommer that her son was not supposed to take the Nation of Islam handout home. It was supposed to stay in the classroom. That bit of news caused her great alarm.
“The fact that students were cautioned against allowing their parents to see anything is deeply troubling,” West told me. “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want parents to know what it is their children are learning.”
3. Under pressure from transgender activists, progressive politicians, teacher unions, and the education establishment, and despite parents’ opposition, America’s public schools are capitulating to ideologues and implementing the radical transgender agenda with full force.
...regardless of biological sex, .... Activists want every child, from kindergarten on, to learn that “sex” is something “assigned at birth” rather than a biological reality. They want children to think that individuals get to choose their own “gender identity” (not limited to male or female), and that everyone else must affirm that “gender identity” as true.
...nothing that parents (or teachers) can do to prevent the schools from imposing policies designed to indoctrinate children with gender ideology.
In public education, the “deep state” describes a coalition of various groups – including teachers’ unions, progressive advocacy groups, major corporations, and philanthropists --that work together to promote the progressive worldview..."
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4. The National Education Association approved a new "business item" expressing support for abortion access during its annual conference in Houston.
"[T]he NEA will include an assertion of our defense of a person's right to control their own body, especially for women, youth, and sexually marginalized people," the resolution states. "The NEA vigorously opposes all attacks on the right to choose and stands on the fundamental right to abortion under Roe v. Wade."
The NEA is the largest teachers' union in the U.S. with more than 3 million members. It collected nearly $400 million from American educators in 2018, according to federal labor filings. The union is also one of the most politically active in the country, spending $70 million on politics and lobbying in 2017 and 2018. Nearly all of the union's political action committee spending went to Democrats during the midterm cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
NEA's 2019 adopted New Business Items (NBIs) reveal what savvy teachers have known for decades: state and national teachers' unions are essentially the political action committee of the Far-Left,"
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5. the 20-minute video being shown in American classrooms entitled The
Story of Stuff; a catchy title to appeal to grade school kids. This piece of anti-capitalist propaganda was
put together by Greenpeace member Annie Leonard.
6. NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
“TEN YEARS. We have ten years to save the planet,” Mayor Bill de Blasio cautioned in a tweet. “Today’s leaders are making decisions for our environment that our kids will have to live with. New York City stands with our young people. They’re our conscience. We support the 9/20 #ClimateStrike.”
Legions of adolescent activists across the globe are expected to demand immediate action to combat climate change in advance of a major UN conference on the issue next week.
As long as mom and dad sanction their principled truancy, absent kids won’t have attendance records dinged, the DOE said.
The September 20th event will feature Sweden’s “Climate Crisis” sweetheart, 16-year old Greta Thunberg.
Teen activist and Swedish sensation Greta Thunberg, who recently docked her zero-emissions sailboat in New York, will speak at the event which will snake its way through lower Manhattan to Battery Park.
Kids with parental permission to attend will be granted excused absences from school, Education Department officials tweeted Thursday.
The infamous “Green New Deal” will be promoted as well.
The New York City climate strike is backed by more than 100 environmental and political activist groups and other institutions, including New York Communities for Change, The New School and the Sierra Club.
The protesters’ demands include a “Green New Deal” that would end fossil fuel extraction and move the nation onto entirely renewable energy sources by 2030. Green New Deal policies have been backed by the likes of U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Personally, if I were one of the kids, I might argue about going to school at all. After all, if the Earth only has 10 more years before we are going to die, wouldn’t it be better to spend the time having fun or spending quality time with family?
On the other hand, if the New York City school officials were really invested in solving the climate crisis, wouldn’t they emphasize science and math? Perhaps keeping the kids in school and having them conduct experiments or perform calculations would inspire an interest in real climate science.
One theory that seems to prove true and is certainly consistent with what is happening with the New York City schools: When global problems are emphasized by locals, serious local matters are being ignored.
Case in point: New York state test results for third- through eighth-grade public school students are out, and the results are underwhelming.
Statewide, more than half the kids flunked yet again: Just 45.4% were deemed proficient in reading and 46.7% in math. In the city, 47.4% passed the reading test, while 45.6% got by in math.
Think the problem’s skimpy funding? Sorry: In 2017, the Empire Center’s E.J. McMahon reported in May, New York shelled out 89% more per kid than the national average. And that gap has been growing fast: In 1997, per-pupil outlays here were just 45% above average.
…In the city Thursday, Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza tried to spin the results positively. The pass rate in English, they noted, is up 0.7 percentage points — and three whole points in math.
“Growth counts for something,” Carranza insisted.
Huh? That paltry uptick is what they’re proud of? Even though more than half the kids bombed? Please.
Notably, kids in the one category of public schools de Blasio and Carranza (and their union pals) don’t run — i.e., the charters — beat their counterparts in the regular schools by more than 10 percentage points in both English and math.
At least the kids won’t be flying private jets to attend the event. That makes them substantially less hypocritical than the celebrities who will be indoctrinating them during the Manhattan event.
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In the vid, teacher’s union with the Socialist iron fist banner…
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“Beginning in Grade 3, the Pollyanna "Racial Literacy Curriculum" asks students to become activists in order to achieve leftist goals. The 3rd Grade chapter is entitled "Stories of Activism – How One Voice Can Change a Community." The expected result is for students to understand "how we can be agents of communal, social, political, and environmental change."
…Pollyanna takes leftist activism to new heights, fabricating an image of a racist America that children are taught to rebel against.
By Grade 8,after nine years of acute indoctrination, the children are ready to fight on behalf of leftists in America. "tudents will set commitments for rectifying current social ills, such as learning and planning how to carry out anti-racist activism and/or social advocacy in their communities and/or to improve their everyday lives." The 8th Grade chapter is entitled "Racism as a Primary 'Institution' of the U.S. – How We May Combat Systemic Inequality." EXCLUSIVE: Leftist Activism Is A Requirement Of New Elementary School Curriculum
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What gods are central to this religion you say is being taught in public school?
The great god, government.
Children are taught to worship Gaia, mother earth.......on the day of Lenin's birthday.
Gee I guess I missed that class because I am no fan of the fucking government either but you are.
Funny how the atheist (me) is critical of all government while the believer( you) is a fan of government.
Seems to me you are a little confused about who is actually indoctrinated here
No vulgarity.
Fuck fuck fuck
Yeah, it looks you were not privileged enough to be sent to Parochial school.
Yes, the education was better than public schools.
I even kept the same book from 7th grade and used it in public school 9th grade.
The book? American Civics. Check it out sometime.
Publisher? Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich.
Yes, there is a God that created this world, and you denying this doesn't make it not so.
And you believing doesn't mean it is so
Reason and experience say otherwise.
there is no reason to believe in anything without empirical proof
There’s plenty of empirical evidence. It is literally all around you.
But putting that aside 90% of everything we know was accepted on authority of others. We didn't actually do the work or see the evidence. We took it on the word of others. Anyone who would scoff at accepting knowledge on the authority of others would have to go around knowing next to nothing their whole life.
With that said we shouldn’t blindly accept knowledge on the authority of others either. We should make some effort to see if what they claim makes sense.
We in all our arrogance think we understand the universe when in reality 95% of it is an utter mystery
But the mere fact that we do not understand something is in no way proof that a supreme being is responsible for it
My dog will never understand fractions because her brain has real physical limitations.
I believe that the human brain also has limitations and that we very well may be incapable of understanding the universe.
I have always found more than interesting that the biblical order of the creation of the universe is the very same that modern science has come around to proposing.
1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.
a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
2. Modern science has largely revealed the earth’s history with respect to the land and the seas. Coincidently, the first chapter of the Bible relates a formation, a creation narrative, strangely similar to scientific understanding.
a. Genesis 1: 6-10…”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dryland appear: and it was so. And God called the dry landEarth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.
b. “The formation of the sea as well as the land is chosen as the second stage in the creation on the Bible’s first page. Modern science reveals that land and sea certainly were in place before the next stage in the scientific account of the history of the universe.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p.54. What a coincidence….or confluence.
Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….
3. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative? Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.
a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
b. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth
4. Track the events in the creation account of Genesis and it’s amazing how closely the events conform to the current view of modern science. An explosion- the universe – oceans/land - plants- …And next, in verse 20, we find: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Kind of unusual…since the author of Genesis, and, if we are to believe that the first one to speak those words, Moses, didn’t really live in a habitat that one might call ‘sea side.’
Would have been understandable if this space in the Bible had, instead, have focused on the numbers of land mammals, birds, or insects found in ancient Israel, wouldn’t it? But, instead, marine organisms are specifically named: ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,…’
Wouldn’t it be interesting if science find lots and lots of marine organisms extant at this point? Imagine if Genesis actually parallels the history of life on earth as expounded by science. Be a heck of a coincidence.
a. A truly important development took place some 521 million years ago, in the geological period known as the Cambrian. “The most abundant and diverse animals of Cambrian time were the trilobites. Trilobites had long antennae, compound eyes, many jointed legs, and a hard exoskeleton like many of their modern arthropod relatives, such as lobsters, crabs, and insects. The Cambrian is sometimes called the "Age of Trilobites"…” Redirect
b. No earlier fossils were found during Darwin’s lifetime: “If the theory [evolution] be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited ... the world swarmed with living creatures. [Yet] to the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these earliest periods. . . I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable.” http://www.paleosoc.org/Oldest_Fossil.pdf
....life at this stage, about 500 million years ago, was entirely marine.
How could the Genesis writer have gotten this right?
That writer…he’s landlocked, knows little of diversity….what are the odds that ‘chance’ is the answer?
What are the odds?
5. The sequence of events from the creation of the universe, to the present, begin with great explosion that produces the universe, including the earth. The earth cools enough for oceans to form. The first life is plant life, able to photosynthesize, and add oxygen to the atmosphere. All sorts of simple non-plants fill the seas, most wormlike, with soft bodies. Along come the trilobites, hugely advanced, with hard bodies…and most amazingly, with true eyes! This makes them the primary predators….but, imposes enormous evolutionary pressure on the other organisms. The result is the Cambrian explosion, lots of small organisms with defensive armor and hard exoskeletons, some 521 million years ago. So says modern science.
a. “…Genesis shows remarkable accuracy when compared to the scientific story of life’s evolutionary journey. Here, the Genesis writer envisioned great creatures evolving from those tiny Cambrian forms, eventually making their way out of the sea….Genesis seems to have picked out all the events of the highest order of importance, and put them in the right order….I don’t know the odds against such a parallel- against making a successful guess at the scientific orthodoxy of three thousand year into the future from a knowledge base of nothing- but they must be extraordinarily long.” Parker, Op. Cit., p.163-164.
b. An interesting sidelight is the ‘evolution of the Bible’ itself. Christians have incorporated a great deal of science’s process. Early in the 20th century, the Scofield Reference Bible was published. This was a new version of the King James Bible with which added a note to Genesis, suggesting what is called the “gap theory.’ It allows that millions of years could have passed between God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, thereby freeing Genesis from the literal six-day process. “What it left was a series- the same series- of timeless events; and it is these that match the scientific account of life’s history.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p. 160.
6. Unavoidable is the recognition that, once the restrictions due to the ‘six-day’ view are removed, the order of events established by modern science conform to the sequence in the first chapter of Genesis, written millennia earlier: light from an explosion (the Big Bang), universe/earth formed, the seas from the cooling earth, plants as the first life forms; abundant sea life (the Cambrian explosion), the (evolution) of the flora and fauna we see today. Neat, eh?
Lucky guess by the author of the creation account of Genesis?
7. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.
The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.
Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!
The alternative explanation is divine intervention.
Both are merely theories that are unproven
....but taught in government school as though there were facts.
I have never seen the big bang be called fact.
It is the best theory we have based on our observations.
But then consider the fact that we have only observed about 5% of the matter and energy that comprises the universe you have to admit that the big bang even if it is the theory that best reflects our observations is not adequate.
Unlike some, I see no need to attribute the origins of the universe to a god simply because we as human beings may be incapable of every understanding the process.
It’s a little more than that. It’s energy being created from nothing according to the laws of nature which means they were in place before space and time and those laws predestined intelligence to arise. In effect the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It’s not an accident.
It is exactly that.
We do not understand 95% of the matter and energy that comprise the universe.
it is my belief we may never be able to understand it.
Saying a god made everything because we don't know the answer is a cop out.
And so what if your life was an accident? That makes it even more precious because it's the only one you will ever get
I'm not convinced that you are an authority on what Christians or Atheists believe. A little humility would go a long way as we see not all Christians in these threads hold literal views of biblical fables.
Where did you find that dark energy is stretching out the universe? You're making statements presuming absolute authority with 0% facts. Dark matter will explain the Big Bang how, exactly?
I'm reading any number of statements you make that give no one confidence they should accept any of them.
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It is called dark matter because we have no idea what it is.
We cannot see or detect it but we can see the effects of its existence .
The universe behaves as if there is much more mass and energy present than we can see or verify , at least according to our limited understanding.
As I said before we only have an understanding of about 5% of the universe.
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That's called 'communism.'
David Mamet eviscerated your mis-directed 'faith' in this way:
"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?”
But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
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My faith isn't misdirected because I have no faith that some unseen all powerful god exists and that there is some happy hunting ground where I'll live in bliss for all eternity.
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No religion should be taught in public schools
The name of the Christian god is not God.
I'll capitalize
if a god was really omniscient wouldn't he know if a person is only pretending?
"Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)."
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia
You just admitted that you think god can be duped by mere mortals
The two gifts accorded mankind are free will and intelligence.
God didn't create robots.
In Genesis, we have an occasion where God loses an argument to one of his creations....
I refer to Prager's book, "Genesis."
"GOD IS MORALLY CHALLENGED—A FIRST IN HUMAN HISTORY
18.24 What if there should be fifty innocent within the city; will You then wipe out the place and not forgive it for the sake of the innocent fifty who are in it? Abraham argues for sparing the entire city of Sodom if fifty innocent people live there.
18.25 Far be it from You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the innocent as well as the guilty, so that innocent and guilty fare alike. Far be it from You! Abraham not only argues with God, he declares God wrong—“Far be it from You”—if God should kill the innocent along with the guilty. The Hebrew words chalila l’cha may also be translated, “Don’t you dare do such a thing . . .” It is astonishing that anyone would feel he could speak to a deity in this way. Such a statement is unique among all bibles and perhaps all holy literature. But it is the essence of the Torah and of later Judaism that humans may have so real a relationship with God that we can actually speak this way to Him. This negotiation between Abraham and God led Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz to title his book on Abraham and the history of Jewish lawyers Abra- ham: The World’s First (But Certainly Not Last) Jewish Lawyer.
18.25 (cont.) Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”
Abraham was arguing a principle made famous thousands of years later by the English jurist William Blackstone. Known as “Blackstone’s Formulation” and still adhered to today in Western legal thought, it postulated “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.”4 What is as incredible as Abraham’s arguing with God is his assumption that God is just. It is incredible because we know of no other people at that time or be- fore who made such an assumption about their god(s). This assumption changed history. Never had a human being challenged a god or gods on moral grounds. This is one of many reasons the Torah is as different from pre-Torah thought as life is from non-life, and it is therefore one of the many reasons the Torah—like the emergence of life from non-life—can best be explained by attributing it to God.
Equally amazing, God was in no way upset with Abraham for arguing with Him, or even for the manner (verse 25) in which Abraham spoke to Him. God responded to Abraham’s moral argument by agreeing with him.
He prefaced his next request with a statement of humility.
18.28 What if the fifty innocent should lack five? Will You destroy the whole city for want of the five?” As a bargaining technique, Abraham did not say “forty-five.” He wanted to empha- size the number “five” hoping a compassionate God would not destroy an entire city because just five fewer good people resided there.
18.28 (cont.) And He answered, “I will not destroy if I find forty-five there.”
18.29 But he spoke to Him again, and said, “What if forty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it, for the sake of the forty.” Abraham kept lowering the number of innocent people. And God kept agreeing.
18.30 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I go on: What if thirty should be
found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
18.31 And he said, “I venture again to speak to my Lord: What if twenty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the twenty.”
18.32 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I speak out this last time: What if ten should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the ten.”
Nevertheless, a small group, as Abraham’s appeal suggests, can make a moral impact. In fact, most of the good that has ever even achieved has been initiated by small groups. Examples include the extraordinary group of founders of America, the handful of Christians who brought about the abolition of slavery, the dissidents in the Soviet Union and other tyrannies who helped bring down evil regimes, and the moral impact of the tiny group of people known as Jews.
In addition to a preoccupation with justice, Abraham demonstrated a concern for humanity in general (starting with the extraordinary hospitality he exhibited at the chapter’s opening). The people of Sodom are not his family, his people, his ethnicity, or his religion, yet their fate weighed on him."
God, in fact, appears to appreciate his creation exhibiting this sort of behavior and initiative.
So your god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven ?
He kind of sounds like an idiot to me if he is so easily fooled
My 'God' is capitalized.
Didn't you learn that in government school?
Bet you can't quote where I said "god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven."
Either you aren't the swiftest of students, or you believe that lying is a valid manner of advancing your argument.
Which is it?
To correct you, I've said that there is a determination for reward and punishment in an afterlife.
I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings.
So tell me why are you using Pascal's wager for an argument if the god you believe in can see right through it?
if you really believe that your god is omniscient wouldn't you be telling people that those who would make Pascal's wager are doomed because their ruse would be immediately discovered by a god that knows all?
Or do you really believe people should lie about believing in a god?
"I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings."
You know very well you're lying.....and that's the answer to my earlier question....you believe lying is acceptable.
The reason you don't capitalize the term is to show the sort of disrespect for the concept, and you've been trained to do.
I am not lying.
Humans have worshiped many gods.
The one you worship is just one in a very long list of gods.
And I told you why I don't capitalize the word god. It has nothing to do with your beliefs.
And FYI my mother was extremely religious so no one taught me not to capitalize the word god. I decided to do that of my own free will
There is only one God, it is the Judeo-Christian one that served as a foundation for the folks who created this nation.
You really didn't learn anything in that government school, did you.
Out of pity, I'll provide this:
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html
And YOU say there is only one god and you are hardly a credible source
I for one have seen no proof that any gods exist
One is being taught now, you fool: militant secularism, neo-Marxism.
The only religion banned is that of our Founders.
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Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
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2. - School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
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The teacher also told Sommer that her son was not supposed to take the Nation of Islam handout home. It was supposed to stay in the classroom. That bit of news caused her great alarm.
“The fact that students were cautioned against allowing their parents to see anything is deeply troubling,” West told me. “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want parents to know what it is their children are learning.”
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...regardless of biological sex, .... Activists want every child, from kindergarten on, to learn that “sex” is something “assigned at birth” rather than a biological reality. They want children to think that individuals get to choose their own “gender identity” (not limited to male or female), and that everyone else must affirm that “gender identity” as true.
...nothing that parents (or teachers) can do to prevent the schools from imposing policies designed to indoctrinate children with gender ideology.
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"[T]he NEA will include an assertion of our defense of a person's right to control their own body, especially for women, youth, and sexually marginalized people," the resolution states. "The NEA vigorously opposes all attacks on the right to choose and stands on the fundamental right to abortion under Roe v. Wade."
The NEA is the largest teachers' union in the U.S. with more than 3 million members. It collected nearly $400 million from American educators in 2018, according to federal labor filings. The union is also one of the most politically active in the country, spending $70 million on politics and lobbying in 2017 and 2018. Nearly all of the union's political action committee spending went to Democrats during the midterm cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
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5. the 20-minute video being shown in American classrooms entitled The
Story of Stuff; a catchy title to appeal to grade school kids. This piece of anti-capitalist propaganda was
put together by Greenpeace member Annie Leonard.
6. NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
“TEN YEARS. We have ten years to save the planet,” Mayor Bill de Blasio cautioned in a tweet. “Today’s leaders are making decisions for our environment that our kids will have to live with. New York City stands with our young people. They’re our conscience. We support the 9/20 #ClimateStrike.”
Legions of adolescent activists across the globe are expected to demand immediate action to combat climate change in advance of a major UN conference on the issue next week.
As long as mom and dad sanction their principled truancy, absent kids won’t have attendance records dinged, the DOE said.
The September 20th event will feature Sweden’s “Climate Crisis” sweetheart, 16-year old Greta Thunberg.
Teen activist and Swedish sensation Greta Thunberg, who recently docked her zero-emissions sailboat in New York, will speak at the event which will snake its way through lower Manhattan to Battery Park.
Kids with parental permission to attend will be granted excused absences from school, Education Department officials tweeted Thursday.
The infamous “Green New Deal” will be promoted as well.
The New York City climate strike is backed by more than 100 environmental and political activist groups and other institutions, including New York Communities for Change, The New School and the Sierra Club.
The protesters’ demands include a “Green New Deal” that would end fossil fuel extraction and move the nation onto entirely renewable energy sources by 2030. Green New Deal policies have been backed by the likes of U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Personally, if I were one of the kids, I might argue about going to school at all. After all, if the Earth only has 10 more years before we are going to die, wouldn’t it be better to spend the time having fun or spending quality time with family?
On the other hand, if the New York City school officials were really invested in solving the climate crisis, wouldn’t they emphasize science and math? Perhaps keeping the kids in school and having them conduct experiments or perform calculations would inspire an interest in real climate science.
One theory that seems to prove true and is certainly consistent with what is happening with the New York City schools: When global problems are emphasized by locals, serious local matters are being ignored.
Case in point: New York state test results for third- through eighth-grade public school students are out, and the results are underwhelming.
Statewide, more than half the kids flunked yet again: Just 45.4% were deemed proficient in reading and 46.7% in math. In the city, 47.4% passed the reading test, while 45.6% got by in math.
Think the problem’s skimpy funding? Sorry: In 2017, the Empire Center’s E.J. McMahon reported in May, New York shelled out 89% more per kid than the national average. And that gap has been growing fast: In 1997, per-pupil outlays here were just 45% above average.
…In the city Thursday, Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza tried to spin the results positively. The pass rate in English, they noted, is up 0.7 percentage points — and three whole points in math.
“Growth counts for something,” Carranza insisted.
Huh? That paltry uptick is what they’re proud of? Even though more than half the kids bombed? Please.
Notably, kids in the one category of public schools de Blasio and Carranza (and their union pals) don’t run — i.e., the charters — beat their counterparts in the regular schools by more than 10 percentage points in both English and math.
At least the kids won’t be flying private jets to attend the event. That makes them substantially less hypocritical than the celebrities who will be indoctrinating them during the Manhattan event.
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In the vid, teacher’s union with the Socialist iron fist banner…
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What gods are central to this religion you say is being taught in public school?
The great god, government.
Children are taught to worship Gaia, mother earth.......on the day of Lenin's birthday.
Gee I guess I missed that class because I am no fan of the fucking government either but you are.
Funny how the atheist (me) is critical of all government while the believer( you) is a fan of government.
Seems to me you are a little confused about who is actually indoctrinated here
No vulgarity.
Fuck fuck fuck
Yeah, it looks you were not privileged enough to be sent to Parochial school.
Yes, the education was better than public schools.
I even kept the same book from 7th grade and used it in public school 9th grade.
The book? American Civics. Check it out sometime.
Publisher? Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich.
Yes, there is a God that created this world, and you denying this doesn't make it not so.
And you believing doesn't mean it is so
Reason and experience say otherwise.
there is no reason to believe in anything without empirical proof
There’s plenty of empirical evidence. It is literally all around you.
But putting that aside 90% of everything we know was accepted on authority of others. We didn't actually do the work or see the evidence. We took it on the word of others. Anyone who would scoff at accepting knowledge on the authority of others would have to go around knowing next to nothing their whole life.
With that said we shouldn’t blindly accept knowledge on the authority of others either. We should make some effort to see if what they claim makes sense.
We in all our arrogance think we understand the universe when in reality 95% of it is an utter mystery
But the mere fact that we do not understand something is in no way proof that a supreme being is responsible for it
My dog will never understand fractions because her brain has real physical limitations.
I believe that the human brain also has limitations and that we very well may be incapable of understanding the universe.
I have always found more than interesting that the biblical order of the creation of the universe is the very same that modern science has come around to proposing.
1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.
a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
2. Modern science has largely revealed the earth’s history with respect to the land and the seas. Coincidently, the first chapter of the Bible relates a formation, a creation narrative, strangely similar to scientific understanding.
a. Genesis 1: 6-10…”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dryland appear: and it was so. And God called the dry landEarth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.
b. “The formation of the sea as well as the land is chosen as the second stage in the creation on the Bible’s first page. Modern science reveals that land and sea certainly were in place before the next stage in the scientific account of the history of the universe.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p.54. What a coincidence….or confluence.
Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….
3. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative? Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.
a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
b. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth
4. Track the events in the creation account of Genesis and it’s amazing how closely the events conform to the current view of modern science. An explosion- the universe – oceans/land - plants- …And next, in verse 20, we find: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Kind of unusual…since the author of Genesis, and, if we are to believe that the first one to speak those words, Moses, didn’t really live in a habitat that one might call ‘sea side.’
Would have been understandable if this space in the Bible had, instead, have focused on the numbers of land mammals, birds, or insects found in ancient Israel, wouldn’t it? But, instead, marine organisms are specifically named: ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,…’
Wouldn’t it be interesting if science find lots and lots of marine organisms extant at this point? Imagine if Genesis actually parallels the history of life on earth as expounded by science. Be a heck of a coincidence.
a. A truly important development took place some 521 million years ago, in the geological period known as the Cambrian. “The most abundant and diverse animals of Cambrian time were the trilobites. Trilobites had long antennae, compound eyes, many jointed legs, and a hard exoskeleton like many of their modern arthropod relatives, such as lobsters, crabs, and insects. The Cambrian is sometimes called the "Age of Trilobites"…” Redirect
b. No earlier fossils were found during Darwin’s lifetime: “If the theory [evolution] be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited ... the world swarmed with living creatures. [Yet] to the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these earliest periods. . . I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable.” http://www.paleosoc.org/Oldest_Fossil.pdf
....life at this stage, about 500 million years ago, was entirely marine.
How could the Genesis writer have gotten this right?
That writer…he’s landlocked, knows little of diversity….what are the odds that ‘chance’ is the answer?
What are the odds?
5. The sequence of events from the creation of the universe, to the present, begin with great explosion that produces the universe, including the earth. The earth cools enough for oceans to form. The first life is plant life, able to photosynthesize, and add oxygen to the atmosphere. All sorts of simple non-plants fill the seas, most wormlike, with soft bodies. Along come the trilobites, hugely advanced, with hard bodies…and most amazingly, with true eyes! This makes them the primary predators….but, imposes enormous evolutionary pressure on the other organisms. The result is the Cambrian explosion, lots of small organisms with defensive armor and hard exoskeletons, some 521 million years ago. So says modern science.
a. “…Genesis shows remarkable accuracy when compared to the scientific story of life’s evolutionary journey. Here, the Genesis writer envisioned great creatures evolving from those tiny Cambrian forms, eventually making their way out of the sea….Genesis seems to have picked out all the events of the highest order of importance, and put them in the right order….I don’t know the odds against such a parallel- against making a successful guess at the scientific orthodoxy of three thousand year into the future from a knowledge base of nothing- but they must be extraordinarily long.” Parker, Op. Cit., p.163-164.
b. An interesting sidelight is the ‘evolution of the Bible’ itself. Christians have incorporated a great deal of science’s process. Early in the 20th century, the Scofield Reference Bible was published. This was a new version of the King James Bible with which added a note to Genesis, suggesting what is called the “gap theory.’ It allows that millions of years could have passed between God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, thereby freeing Genesis from the literal six-day process. “What it left was a series- the same series- of timeless events; and it is these that match the scientific account of life’s history.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p. 160.
6. Unavoidable is the recognition that, once the restrictions due to the ‘six-day’ view are removed, the order of events established by modern science conform to the sequence in the first chapter of Genesis, written millennia earlier: light from an explosion (the Big Bang), universe/earth formed, the seas from the cooling earth, plants as the first life forms; abundant sea life (the Cambrian explosion), the (evolution) of the flora and fauna we see today. Neat, eh?
Lucky guess by the author of the creation account of Genesis?
7. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.
The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.
Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!
The alternative explanation is divine intervention.
Both are merely theories that are unproven
....but taught in government school as though there were facts.
I have never seen the big bang be called fact.
It is the best theory we have based on our observations.
But then consider the fact that we have only observed about 5% of the matter and energy that comprises the universe you have to admit that the big bang even if it is the theory that best reflects our observations is not adequate.
Unlike some, I see no need to attribute the origins of the universe to a god simply because we as human beings may be incapable of every understanding the process.
It’s a little more than that. It’s energy being created from nothing according to the laws of nature which means they were in place before space and time and those laws predestined intelligence to arise. In effect the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It’s not an accident.
It is exactly that.
We do not understand 95% of the matter and energy that comprise the universe.
it is my belief we may never be able to understand it.
Saying a god made everything because we don't know the answer is a cop out.
And so what if your life was an accident? That makes it even more precious because it's the only one you will ever get
As the fables of 'science' have been so regularly exposed, yet you continue to parrot them, one is left to conclude that it is cowardice that motivates you.
You fear confronting the absurdities of the Left, their attempts to obviate any belief in God.
That's 'God' with a capital 'G,' not your pagan versions.
A glaring example is the fake scientist's answer to the creation in Genesis.....
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
And, from reviews of Krauss' book, " A Universe From Nothing,"...
"....at the end of the book he he has given up trying to explain his hypothesis. Throughout the book he admits that Something can come from Nothing only if there is Something inherent in the Nothingness.
...Krauss claims that "in quantum gravity, universes can, and indeed always will, spontaneously appear from nothing" This is yet again another fabrication,....
Krauss mixes opinion with pseudo-science to fool his cult that the universe popped into existence from nowhere with no cause (the epitome pseudo-science, anti-science and religious belief)."
Of course, the ancient Greek, Parmenides, was correct: nihil fit ex nihilo... "out of nothing, nothing [be]comes."
The fake science dunces are willing to accept anything...even things that obviate all of real science.
And you buy it like it was on sale.
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No religion should be taught in public schools
The name of the Christian god is not God.
I'll capitalize
if a god was really omniscient wouldn't he know if a person is only pretending?
"Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)."
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia
You just admitted that you think god can be duped by mere mortals
The two gifts accorded mankind are free will and intelligence.
God didn't create robots.
In Genesis, we have an occasion where God loses an argument to one of his creations....
I refer to Prager's book, "Genesis."
"GOD IS MORALLY CHALLENGED—A FIRST IN HUMAN HISTORY
18.24 What if there should be fifty innocent within the city; will You then wipe out the place and not forgive it for the sake of the innocent fifty who are in it? Abraham argues for sparing the entire city of Sodom if fifty innocent people live there.
18.25 Far be it from You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the innocent as well as the guilty, so that innocent and guilty fare alike. Far be it from You! Abraham not only argues with God, he declares God wrong—“Far be it from You”—if God should kill the innocent along with the guilty. The Hebrew words chalila l’cha may also be translated, “Don’t you dare do such a thing . . .” It is astonishing that anyone would feel he could speak to a deity in this way. Such a statement is unique among all bibles and perhaps all holy literature. But it is the essence of the Torah and of later Judaism that humans may have so real a relationship with God that we can actually speak this way to Him. This negotiation between Abraham and God led Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz to title his book on Abraham and the history of Jewish lawyers Abra- ham: The World’s First (But Certainly Not Last) Jewish Lawyer.
18.25 (cont.) Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”
Abraham was arguing a principle made famous thousands of years later by the English jurist William Blackstone. Known as “Blackstone’s Formulation” and still adhered to today in Western legal thought, it postulated “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.”4 What is as incredible as Abraham’s arguing with God is his assumption that God is just. It is incredible because we know of no other people at that time or be- fore who made such an assumption about their god(s). This assumption changed history. Never had a human being challenged a god or gods on moral grounds. This is one of many reasons the Torah is as different from pre-Torah thought as life is from non-life, and it is therefore one of the many reasons the Torah—like the emergence of life from non-life—can best be explained by attributing it to God.
Equally amazing, God was in no way upset with Abraham for arguing with Him, or even for the manner (verse 25) in which Abraham spoke to Him. God responded to Abraham’s moral argument by agreeing with him.
He prefaced his next request with a statement of humility.
18.28 What if the fifty innocent should lack five? Will You destroy the whole city for want of the five?” As a bargaining technique, Abraham did not say “forty-five.” He wanted to empha- size the number “five” hoping a compassionate God would not destroy an entire city because just five fewer good people resided there.
18.28 (cont.) And He answered, “I will not destroy if I find forty-five there.”
18.29 But he spoke to Him again, and said, “What if forty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it, for the sake of the forty.” Abraham kept lowering the number of innocent people. And God kept agreeing.
18.30 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I go on: What if thirty should be
found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
18.31 And he said, “I venture again to speak to my Lord: What if twenty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the twenty.”
18.32 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I speak out this last time: What if ten should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the ten.”
Nevertheless, a small group, as Abraham’s appeal suggests, can make a moral impact. In fact, most of the good that has ever even achieved has been initiated by small groups. Examples include the extraordinary group of founders of America, the handful of Christians who brought about the abolition of slavery, the dissidents in the Soviet Union and other tyrannies who helped bring down evil regimes, and the moral impact of the tiny group of people known as Jews.
In addition to a preoccupation with justice, Abraham demonstrated a concern for humanity in general (starting with the extraordinary hospitality he exhibited at the chapter’s opening). The people of Sodom are not his family, his people, his ethnicity, or his religion, yet their fate weighed on him."
God, in fact, appears to appreciate his creation exhibiting this sort of behavior and initiative.
So your god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven ?
He kind of sounds like an idiot to me if he is so easily fooled
My 'God' is capitalized.
Didn't you learn that in government school?
Bet you can't quote where I said "god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven."
Either you aren't the swiftest of students, or you believe that lying is a valid manner of advancing your argument.
Which is it?
To correct you, I've said that there is a determination for reward and punishment in an afterlife.
I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings.
So tell me why are you using Pascal's wager for an argument if the god you believe in can see right through it?
if you really believe that your god is omniscient wouldn't you be telling people that those who would make Pascal's wager are doomed because their ruse would be immediately discovered by a god that knows all?
Or do you really believe people should lie about believing in a god?
"I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings."
You know very well you're lying.....and that's the answer to my earlier question....you believe lying is acceptable.
The reason you don't capitalize the term is to show the sort of disrespect for the concept, and you've been trained to do.
I am not lying.
Humans have worshiped many gods.
The one you worship is just one in a very long list of gods.
And I told you why I don't capitalize the word god. It has nothing to do with your beliefs.
And FYI my mother was extremely religious so no one taught me not to capitalize the word god. I decided to do that of my own free will
There is only one God, it is the Judeo-Christian one that served as a foundation for the folks who created this nation.
You really didn't learn anything in that government school, did you.
Out of pity, I'll provide this:
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html
And YOU say there is only one god and you are hardly a credible source
I for one have seen no proof that any gods exist
One is being taught now, you fool: militant secularism, neo-Marxism.
The only religion banned is that of our Founders.
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Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
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2. - School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
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The teacher also told Sommer that her son was not supposed to take the Nation of Islam handout home. It was supposed to stay in the classroom. That bit of news caused her great alarm.
“The fact that students were cautioned against allowing their parents to see anything is deeply troubling,” West told me. “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want parents to know what it is their children are learning.”
3. Under pressure from transgender activists, progressive politicians, teacher unions, and the education establishment, and despite parents’ opposition, America’s public schools are capitulating to ideologues and implementing the radical transgender agenda with full force.
...regardless of biological sex, .... Activists want every child, from kindergarten on, to learn that “sex” is something “assigned at birth” rather than a biological reality. They want children to think that individuals get to choose their own “gender identity” (not limited to male or female), and that everyone else must affirm that “gender identity” as true.
...nothing that parents (or teachers) can do to prevent the schools from imposing policies designed to indoctrinate children with gender ideology.
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"[T]he NEA will include an assertion of our defense of a person's right to control their own body, especially for women, youth, and sexually marginalized people," the resolution states. "The NEA vigorously opposes all attacks on the right to choose and stands on the fundamental right to abortion under Roe v. Wade."
The NEA is the largest teachers' union in the U.S. with more than 3 million members. It collected nearly $400 million from American educators in 2018, according to federal labor filings. The union is also one of the most politically active in the country, spending $70 million on politics and lobbying in 2017 and 2018. Nearly all of the union's political action committee spending went to Democrats during the midterm cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
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5. the 20-minute video being shown in American classrooms entitled The
Story of Stuff; a catchy title to appeal to grade school kids. This piece of anti-capitalist propaganda was
put together by Greenpeace member Annie Leonard.
6. NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
“TEN YEARS. We have ten years to save the planet,” Mayor Bill de Blasio cautioned in a tweet. “Today’s leaders are making decisions for our environment that our kids will have to live with. New York City stands with our young people. They’re our conscience. We support the 9/20 #ClimateStrike.”
Legions of adolescent activists across the globe are expected to demand immediate action to combat climate change in advance of a major UN conference on the issue next week.
As long as mom and dad sanction their principled truancy, absent kids won’t have attendance records dinged, the DOE said.
The September 20th event will feature Sweden’s “Climate Crisis” sweetheart, 16-year old Greta Thunberg.
Teen activist and Swedish sensation Greta Thunberg, who recently docked her zero-emissions sailboat in New York, will speak at the event which will snake its way through lower Manhattan to Battery Park.
Kids with parental permission to attend will be granted excused absences from school, Education Department officials tweeted Thursday.
The infamous “Green New Deal” will be promoted as well.
The New York City climate strike is backed by more than 100 environmental and political activist groups and other institutions, including New York Communities for Change, The New School and the Sierra Club.
The protesters’ demands include a “Green New Deal” that would end fossil fuel extraction and move the nation onto entirely renewable energy sources by 2030. Green New Deal policies have been backed by the likes of U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Personally, if I were one of the kids, I might argue about going to school at all. After all, if the Earth only has 10 more years before we are going to die, wouldn’t it be better to spend the time having fun or spending quality time with family?
On the other hand, if the New York City school officials were really invested in solving the climate crisis, wouldn’t they emphasize science and math? Perhaps keeping the kids in school and having them conduct experiments or perform calculations would inspire an interest in real climate science.
One theory that seems to prove true and is certainly consistent with what is happening with the New York City schools: When global problems are emphasized by locals, serious local matters are being ignored.
Case in point: New York state test results for third- through eighth-grade public school students are out, and the results are underwhelming.
Statewide, more than half the kids flunked yet again: Just 45.4% were deemed proficient in reading and 46.7% in math. In the city, 47.4% passed the reading test, while 45.6% got by in math.
Think the problem’s skimpy funding? Sorry: In 2017, the Empire Center’s E.J. McMahon reported in May, New York shelled out 89% more per kid than the national average. And that gap has been growing fast: In 1997, per-pupil outlays here were just 45% above average.
…In the city Thursday, Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza tried to spin the results positively. The pass rate in English, they noted, is up 0.7 percentage points — and three whole points in math.
“Growth counts for something,” Carranza insisted.
Huh? That paltry uptick is what they’re proud of? Even though more than half the kids bombed? Please.
Notably, kids in the one category of public schools de Blasio and Carranza (and their union pals) don’t run — i.e., the charters — beat their counterparts in the regular schools by more than 10 percentage points in both English and math.
At least the kids won’t be flying private jets to attend the event. That makes them substantially less hypocritical than the celebrities who will be indoctrinating them during the Manhattan event.
NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
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In the vid, teacher’s union with the Socialist iron fist banner…
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What gods are central to this religion you say is being taught in public school?
The great god, government.
Children are taught to worship Gaia, mother earth.......on the day of Lenin's birthday.
Gee I guess I missed that class because I am no fan of the fucking government either but you are.
Funny how the atheist (me) is critical of all government while the believer( you) is a fan of government.
Seems to me you are a little confused about who is actually indoctrinated here
No vulgarity.
Fuck fuck fuck
Yeah, it looks you were not privileged enough to be sent to Parochial school.
Yes, the education was better than public schools.
I even kept the same book from 7th grade and used it in public school 9th grade.
The book? American Civics. Check it out sometime.
Publisher? Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich.
Yes, there is a God that created this world, and you denying this doesn't make it not so.
And you believing doesn't mean it is so
Reason and experience say otherwise.
there is no reason to believe in anything without empirical proof
There’s plenty of empirical evidence. It is literally all around you.
But putting that aside 90% of everything we know was accepted on authority of others. We didn't actually do the work or see the evidence. We took it on the word of others. Anyone who would scoff at accepting knowledge on the authority of others would have to go around knowing next to nothing their whole life.
With that said we shouldn’t blindly accept knowledge on the authority of others either. We should make some effort to see if what they claim makes sense.
We in all our arrogance think we understand the universe when in reality 95% of it is an utter mystery
But the mere fact that we do not understand something is in no way proof that a supreme being is responsible for it
My dog will never understand fractions because her brain has real physical limitations.
I believe that the human brain also has limitations and that we very well may be incapable of understanding the universe.
I have always found more than interesting that the biblical order of the creation of the universe is the very same that modern science has come around to proposing.
1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.
a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
2. Modern science has largely revealed the earth’s history with respect to the land and the seas. Coincidently, the first chapter of the Bible relates a formation, a creation narrative, strangely similar to scientific understanding.
a. Genesis 1: 6-10…”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dryland appear: and it was so. And God called the dry landEarth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.
b. “The formation of the sea as well as the land is chosen as the second stage in the creation on the Bible’s first page. Modern science reveals that land and sea certainly were in place before the next stage in the scientific account of the history of the universe.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p.54. What a coincidence….or confluence.
Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….
3. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative? Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.
a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
b. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth
4. Track the events in the creation account of Genesis and it’s amazing how closely the events conform to the current view of modern science. An explosion- the universe – oceans/land - plants- …And next, in verse 20, we find: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Kind of unusual…since the author of Genesis, and, if we are to believe that the first one to speak those words, Moses, didn’t really live in a habitat that one might call ‘sea side.’
Would have been understandable if this space in the Bible had, instead, have focused on the numbers of land mammals, birds, or insects found in ancient Israel, wouldn’t it? But, instead, marine organisms are specifically named: ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,…’
Wouldn’t it be interesting if science find lots and lots of marine organisms extant at this point? Imagine if Genesis actually parallels the history of life on earth as expounded by science. Be a heck of a coincidence.
a. A truly important development took place some 521 million years ago, in the geological period known as the Cambrian. “The most abundant and diverse animals of Cambrian time were the trilobites. Trilobites had long antennae, compound eyes, many jointed legs, and a hard exoskeleton like many of their modern arthropod relatives, such as lobsters, crabs, and insects. The Cambrian is sometimes called the "Age of Trilobites"…” Redirect
b. No earlier fossils were found during Darwin’s lifetime: “If the theory [evolution] be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited ... the world swarmed with living creatures. [Yet] to the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these earliest periods. . . I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable.” http://www.paleosoc.org/Oldest_Fossil.pdf
....life at this stage, about 500 million years ago, was entirely marine.
How could the Genesis writer have gotten this right?
That writer…he’s landlocked, knows little of diversity….what are the odds that ‘chance’ is the answer?
What are the odds?
5. The sequence of events from the creation of the universe, to the present, begin with great explosion that produces the universe, including the earth. The earth cools enough for oceans to form. The first life is plant life, able to photosynthesize, and add oxygen to the atmosphere. All sorts of simple non-plants fill the seas, most wormlike, with soft bodies. Along come the trilobites, hugely advanced, with hard bodies…and most amazingly, with true eyes! This makes them the primary predators….but, imposes enormous evolutionary pressure on the other organisms. The result is the Cambrian explosion, lots of small organisms with defensive armor and hard exoskeletons, some 521 million years ago. So says modern science.
a. “…Genesis shows remarkable accuracy when compared to the scientific story of life’s evolutionary journey. Here, the Genesis writer envisioned great creatures evolving from those tiny Cambrian forms, eventually making their way out of the sea….Genesis seems to have picked out all the events of the highest order of importance, and put them in the right order….I don’t know the odds against such a parallel- against making a successful guess at the scientific orthodoxy of three thousand year into the future from a knowledge base of nothing- but they must be extraordinarily long.” Parker, Op. Cit., p.163-164.
b. An interesting sidelight is the ‘evolution of the Bible’ itself. Christians have incorporated a great deal of science’s process. Early in the 20th century, the Scofield Reference Bible was published. This was a new version of the King James Bible with which added a note to Genesis, suggesting what is called the “gap theory.’ It allows that millions of years could have passed between God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, thereby freeing Genesis from the literal six-day process. “What it left was a series- the same series- of timeless events; and it is these that match the scientific account of life’s history.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p. 160.
6. Unavoidable is the recognition that, once the restrictions due to the ‘six-day’ view are removed, the order of events established by modern science conform to the sequence in the first chapter of Genesis, written millennia earlier: light from an explosion (the Big Bang), universe/earth formed, the seas from the cooling earth, plants as the first life forms; abundant sea life (the Cambrian explosion), the (evolution) of the flora and fauna we see today. Neat, eh?
Lucky guess by the author of the creation account of Genesis?
7. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.
The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.
Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!
The alternative explanation is divine intervention.
Both are merely theories that are unproven
....but taught in government school as though there were facts.
I have never seen the big bang be called fact.
It is the best theory we have based on our observations.
But then consider the fact that we have only observed about 5% of the matter and energy that comprises the universe you have to admit that the big bang even if it is the theory that best reflects our observations is not adequate.
Unlike some, I see no need to attribute the origins of the universe to a god simply because we as human beings may be incapable of every understanding the process.
It’s a little more than that. It’s energy being created from nothing according to the laws of nature which means they were in place before space and time and those laws predestined intelligence to arise. In effect the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It’s not an accident.
It is exactly that.
We do not understand 95% of the matter and energy that comprise the universe.
it is my belief we may never be able to understand it.
Saying a god made everything because we don't know the answer is a cop out.
And so what if your life was an accident? That makes it even more precious because it's the only one you will ever get
As the fables of 'science' have been so regularly exposed, yet you continue to parrot them, one is left to conclude that it is cowardice that motivates you.
You fear confronting the absurdities of the Left, their attempts to obviate any belief in God.
That's 'God' with a capital 'G,' not your pagan versions.
A glaring example is the fake scientists answer to the creation in Genesis.....
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
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And, from reviews of Krauss' book, " A Universe From Nothing,"...
"....at the end of the book he he has given up trying to explain his hypothesis. Throughout the book he admits that Something can come from Nothing only if there is Something inherent in the Nothingness.
...Krauss claims that "in quantum gravity, universes can, and indeed always will, spontaneously appear from nothing" This is yet again another fabrication,....
Krauss mixes opinion with pseudo-science to fool his cult that the universe popped into existence from nowhere with no cause (the epitome pseudo-science, anti-science and religious belief)."
Of course, the ancient Greek, Parmenides, was correct: nihil fit ex nihilo... "out of nothing, nothing [be]comes."
The fake science dunces are willing to accept anything...even things that obviate all of real science.
And you buy it like it was on sale.
Saying we may never know the origins of the universe is hardly buying the big bang theory.
I have never said the big bang was fact. If you think I have then quote it.
But unlike you I don't need a universal fudge factor like a god to explain things I don't and may never understand
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You do realize this goes both ways? Some people think it is only fantasy and then realize it is the reality. Fantasy is simply a bad analogy for what is a logical, thoughtful philosophy. Half my family is atheist, and not once have they had to move the goal post of believers into fantasy. It is a simple matter of recognizing they have no belief in God and that human make-up does not consist of spirit--that it is all mind and neurochemistry.
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No religion should be taught in public schools
The name of the Christian god is not God.
I'll capitalize
if a god was really omniscient wouldn't he know if a person is only pretending?
"Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)."
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You just admitted that you think god can be duped by mere mortals
The two gifts accorded mankind are free will and intelligence.
God didn't create robots.
In Genesis, we have an occasion where God loses an argument to one of his creations....
I refer to Prager's book, "Genesis."
"GOD IS MORALLY CHALLENGED—A FIRST IN HUMAN HISTORY
18.24 What if there should be fifty innocent within the city; will You then wipe out the place and not forgive it for the sake of the innocent fifty who are in it? Abraham argues for sparing the entire city of Sodom if fifty innocent people live there.
18.25 Far be it from You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the innocent as well as the guilty, so that innocent and guilty fare alike. Far be it from You! Abraham not only argues with God, he declares God wrong—“Far be it from You”—if God should kill the innocent along with the guilty. The Hebrew words chalila l’cha may also be translated, “Don’t you dare do such a thing . . .” It is astonishing that anyone would feel he could speak to a deity in this way. Such a statement is unique among all bibles and perhaps all holy literature. But it is the essence of the Torah and of later Judaism that humans may have so real a relationship with God that we can actually speak this way to Him. This negotiation between Abraham and God led Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz to title his book on Abraham and the history of Jewish lawyers Abra- ham: The World’s First (But Certainly Not Last) Jewish Lawyer.
18.25 (cont.) Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”
Abraham was arguing a principle made famous thousands of years later by the English jurist William Blackstone. Known as “Blackstone’s Formulation” and still adhered to today in Western legal thought, it postulated “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.”4 What is as incredible as Abraham’s arguing with God is his assumption that God is just. It is incredible because we know of no other people at that time or be- fore who made such an assumption about their god(s). This assumption changed history. Never had a human being challenged a god or gods on moral grounds. This is one of many reasons the Torah is as different from pre-Torah thought as life is from non-life, and it is therefore one of the many reasons the Torah—like the emergence of life from non-life—can best be explained by attributing it to God.
Equally amazing, God was in no way upset with Abraham for arguing with Him, or even for the manner (verse 25) in which Abraham spoke to Him. God responded to Abraham’s moral argument by agreeing with him.
He prefaced his next request with a statement of humility.
18.28 What if the fifty innocent should lack five? Will You destroy the whole city for want of the five?” As a bargaining technique, Abraham did not say “forty-five.” He wanted to empha- size the number “five” hoping a compassionate God would not destroy an entire city because just five fewer good people resided there.
18.28 (cont.) And He answered, “I will not destroy if I find forty-five there.”
18.29 But he spoke to Him again, and said, “What if forty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it, for the sake of the forty.” Abraham kept lowering the number of innocent people. And God kept agreeing.
18.30 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I go on: What if thirty should be
found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
18.31 And he said, “I venture again to speak to my Lord: What if twenty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the twenty.”
18.32 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I speak out this last time: What if ten should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the ten.”
Nevertheless, a small group, as Abraham’s appeal suggests, can make a moral impact. In fact, most of the good that has ever even achieved has been initiated by small groups. Examples include the extraordinary group of founders of America, the handful of Christians who brought about the abolition of slavery, the dissidents in the Soviet Union and other tyrannies who helped bring down evil regimes, and the moral impact of the tiny group of people known as Jews.
In addition to a preoccupation with justice, Abraham demonstrated a concern for humanity in general (starting with the extraordinary hospitality he exhibited at the chapter’s opening). The people of Sodom are not his family, his people, his ethnicity, or his religion, yet their fate weighed on him."
God, in fact, appears to appreciate his creation exhibiting this sort of behavior and initiative.
So your god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven ?
He kind of sounds like an idiot to me if he is so easily fooled
My 'God' is capitalized.
Didn't you learn that in government school?
Bet you can't quote where I said "god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven."
Either you aren't the swiftest of students, or you believe that lying is a valid manner of advancing your argument.
Which is it?
To correct you, I've said that there is a determination for reward and punishment in an afterlife.
I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings.
So tell me why are you using Pascal's wager for an argument if the god you believe in can see right through it?
if you really believe that your god is omniscient wouldn't you be telling people that those who would make Pascal's wager are doomed because their ruse would be immediately discovered by a god that knows all?
Or do you really believe people should lie about believing in a god?
"I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings."
You know very well you're lying.....and that's the answer to my earlier question....you believe lying is acceptable.
The reason you don't capitalize the term is to show the sort of disrespect for the concept, and you've been trained to do.
I am not lying.
Humans have worshiped many gods.
The one you worship is just one in a very long list of gods.
And I told you why I don't capitalize the word god. It has nothing to do with your beliefs.
And FYI my mother was extremely religious so no one taught me not to capitalize the word god. I decided to do that of my own free will
There is only one God, it is the Judeo-Christian one that served as a foundation for the folks who created this nation.
You really didn't learn anything in that government school, did you.
Out of pity, I'll provide this:
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html
And YOU say there is only one god and you are hardly a credible source
I for one have seen no proof that any gods exist
One is being taught now, you fool: militant secularism, neo-Marxism.
The only religion banned is that of our Founders.
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Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
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2. - School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
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The teacher also told Sommer that her son was not supposed to take the Nation of Islam handout home. It was supposed to stay in the classroom. That bit of news caused her great alarm.
“The fact that students were cautioned against allowing their parents to see anything is deeply troubling,” West told me. “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want parents to know what it is their children are learning.”
3. Under pressure from transgender activists, progressive politicians, teacher unions, and the education establishment, and despite parents’ opposition, America’s public schools are capitulating to ideologues and implementing the radical transgender agenda with full force.
...regardless of biological sex, .... Activists want every child, from kindergarten on, to learn that “sex” is something “assigned at birth” rather than a biological reality. They want children to think that individuals get to choose their own “gender identity” (not limited to male or female), and that everyone else must affirm that “gender identity” as true.
...nothing that parents (or teachers) can do to prevent the schools from imposing policies designed to indoctrinate children with gender ideology.
In public education, the “deep state” describes a coalition of various groups – including teachers’ unions, progressive advocacy groups, major corporations, and philanthropists --that work together to promote the progressive worldview..."
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"[T]he NEA will include an assertion of our defense of a person's right to control their own body, especially for women, youth, and sexually marginalized people," the resolution states. "The NEA vigorously opposes all attacks on the right to choose and stands on the fundamental right to abortion under Roe v. Wade."
The NEA is the largest teachers' union in the U.S. with more than 3 million members. It collected nearly $400 million from American educators in 2018, according to federal labor filings. The union is also one of the most politically active in the country, spending $70 million on politics and lobbying in 2017 and 2018. Nearly all of the union's political action committee spending went to Democrats during the midterm cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
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5. the 20-minute video being shown in American classrooms entitled The
Story of Stuff; a catchy title to appeal to grade school kids. This piece of anti-capitalist propaganda was
put together by Greenpeace member Annie Leonard.
6. NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
“TEN YEARS. We have ten years to save the planet,” Mayor Bill de Blasio cautioned in a tweet. “Today’s leaders are making decisions for our environment that our kids will have to live with. New York City stands with our young people. They’re our conscience. We support the 9/20 #ClimateStrike.”
Legions of adolescent activists across the globe are expected to demand immediate action to combat climate change in advance of a major UN conference on the issue next week.
As long as mom and dad sanction their principled truancy, absent kids won’t have attendance records dinged, the DOE said.
The September 20th event will feature Sweden’s “Climate Crisis” sweetheart, 16-year old Greta Thunberg.
Teen activist and Swedish sensation Greta Thunberg, who recently docked her zero-emissions sailboat in New York, will speak at the event which will snake its way through lower Manhattan to Battery Park.
Kids with parental permission to attend will be granted excused absences from school, Education Department officials tweeted Thursday.
The infamous “Green New Deal” will be promoted as well.
The New York City climate strike is backed by more than 100 environmental and political activist groups and other institutions, including New York Communities for Change, The New School and the Sierra Club.
The protesters’ demands include a “Green New Deal” that would end fossil fuel extraction and move the nation onto entirely renewable energy sources by 2030. Green New Deal policies have been backed by the likes of U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Personally, if I were one of the kids, I might argue about going to school at all. After all, if the Earth only has 10 more years before we are going to die, wouldn’t it be better to spend the time having fun or spending quality time with family?
On the other hand, if the New York City school officials were really invested in solving the climate crisis, wouldn’t they emphasize science and math? Perhaps keeping the kids in school and having them conduct experiments or perform calculations would inspire an interest in real climate science.
One theory that seems to prove true and is certainly consistent with what is happening with the New York City schools: When global problems are emphasized by locals, serious local matters are being ignored.
Case in point: New York state test results for third- through eighth-grade public school students are out, and the results are underwhelming.
Statewide, more than half the kids flunked yet again: Just 45.4% were deemed proficient in reading and 46.7% in math. In the city, 47.4% passed the reading test, while 45.6% got by in math.
Think the problem’s skimpy funding? Sorry: In 2017, the Empire Center’s E.J. McMahon reported in May, New York shelled out 89% more per kid than the national average. And that gap has been growing fast: In 1997, per-pupil outlays here were just 45% above average.
…In the city Thursday, Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza tried to spin the results positively. The pass rate in English, they noted, is up 0.7 percentage points — and three whole points in math.
“Growth counts for something,” Carranza insisted.
Huh? That paltry uptick is what they’re proud of? Even though more than half the kids bombed? Please.
Notably, kids in the one category of public schools de Blasio and Carranza (and their union pals) don’t run — i.e., the charters — beat their counterparts in the regular schools by more than 10 percentage points in both English and math.
At least the kids won’t be flying private jets to attend the event. That makes them substantially less hypocritical than the celebrities who will be indoctrinating them during the Manhattan event.
NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
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In the vid, teacher’s union with the Socialist iron fist banner…
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…Pollyanna takes leftist activism to new heights, fabricating an image of a racist America that children are taught to rebel against.
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What gods are central to this religion you say is being taught in public school?
The great god, government.
Children are taught to worship Gaia, mother earth.......on the day of Lenin's birthday.
Gee I guess I missed that class because I am no fan of the fucking government either but you are.
Funny how the atheist (me) is critical of all government while the believer( you) is a fan of government.
Seems to me you are a little confused about who is actually indoctrinated here
No vulgarity.
Fuck fuck fuck
Yeah, it looks you were not privileged enough to be sent to Parochial school.
Yes, the education was better than public schools.
I even kept the same book from 7th grade and used it in public school 9th grade.
The book? American Civics. Check it out sometime.
Publisher? Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich.
Yes, there is a God that created this world, and you denying this doesn't make it not so.
And you believing doesn't mean it is so
Reason and experience say otherwise.
there is no reason to believe in anything without empirical proof
There’s plenty of empirical evidence. It is literally all around you.
But putting that aside 90% of everything we know was accepted on authority of others. We didn't actually do the work or see the evidence. We took it on the word of others. Anyone who would scoff at accepting knowledge on the authority of others would have to go around knowing next to nothing their whole life.
With that said we shouldn’t blindly accept knowledge on the authority of others either. We should make some effort to see if what they claim makes sense.
We in all our arrogance think we understand the universe when in reality 95% of it is an utter mystery
But the mere fact that we do not understand something is in no way proof that a supreme being is responsible for it
My dog will never understand fractions because her brain has real physical limitations.
I believe that the human brain also has limitations and that we very well may be incapable of understanding the universe.
I have always found more than interesting that the biblical order of the creation of the universe is the very same that modern science has come around to proposing.
1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.
a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
2. Modern science has largely revealed the earth’s history with respect to the land and the seas. Coincidently, the first chapter of the Bible relates a formation, a creation narrative, strangely similar to scientific understanding.
a. Genesis 1: 6-10…”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dryland appear: and it was so. And God called the dry landEarth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.
b. “The formation of the sea as well as the land is chosen as the second stage in the creation on the Bible’s first page. Modern science reveals that land and sea certainly were in place before the next stage in the scientific account of the history of the universe.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p.54. What a coincidence….or confluence.
Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….
3. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative? Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.
a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
b. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth
4. Track the events in the creation account of Genesis and it’s amazing how closely the events conform to the current view of modern science. An explosion- the universe – oceans/land - plants- …And next, in verse 20, we find: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Kind of unusual…since the author of Genesis, and, if we are to believe that the first one to speak those words, Moses, didn’t really live in a habitat that one might call ‘sea side.’
Would have been understandable if this space in the Bible had, instead, have focused on the numbers of land mammals, birds, or insects found in ancient Israel, wouldn’t it? But, instead, marine organisms are specifically named: ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,…’
Wouldn’t it be interesting if science find lots and lots of marine organisms extant at this point? Imagine if Genesis actually parallels the history of life on earth as expounded by science. Be a heck of a coincidence.
a. A truly important development took place some 521 million years ago, in the geological period known as the Cambrian. “The most abundant and diverse animals of Cambrian time were the trilobites. Trilobites had long antennae, compound eyes, many jointed legs, and a hard exoskeleton like many of their modern arthropod relatives, such as lobsters, crabs, and insects. The Cambrian is sometimes called the "Age of Trilobites"…” Redirect
b. No earlier fossils were found during Darwin’s lifetime: “If the theory [evolution] be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited ... the world swarmed with living creatures. [Yet] to the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these earliest periods. . . I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable.” http://www.paleosoc.org/Oldest_Fossil.pdf
....life at this stage, about 500 million years ago, was entirely marine.
How could the Genesis writer have gotten this right?
That writer…he’s landlocked, knows little of diversity….what are the odds that ‘chance’ is the answer?
What are the odds?
5. The sequence of events from the creation of the universe, to the present, begin with great explosion that produces the universe, including the earth. The earth cools enough for oceans to form. The first life is plant life, able to photosynthesize, and add oxygen to the atmosphere. All sorts of simple non-plants fill the seas, most wormlike, with soft bodies. Along come the trilobites, hugely advanced, with hard bodies…and most amazingly, with true eyes! This makes them the primary predators….but, imposes enormous evolutionary pressure on the other organisms. The result is the Cambrian explosion, lots of small organisms with defensive armor and hard exoskeletons, some 521 million years ago. So says modern science.
a. “…Genesis shows remarkable accuracy when compared to the scientific story of life’s evolutionary journey. Here, the Genesis writer envisioned great creatures evolving from those tiny Cambrian forms, eventually making their way out of the sea….Genesis seems to have picked out all the events of the highest order of importance, and put them in the right order….I don’t know the odds against such a parallel- against making a successful guess at the scientific orthodoxy of three thousand year into the future from a knowledge base of nothing- but they must be extraordinarily long.” Parker, Op. Cit., p.163-164.
b. An interesting sidelight is the ‘evolution of the Bible’ itself. Christians have incorporated a great deal of science’s process. Early in the 20th century, the Scofield Reference Bible was published. This was a new version of the King James Bible with which added a note to Genesis, suggesting what is called the “gap theory.’ It allows that millions of years could have passed between God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, thereby freeing Genesis from the literal six-day process. “What it left was a series- the same series- of timeless events; and it is these that match the scientific account of life’s history.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p. 160.
6. Unavoidable is the recognition that, once the restrictions due to the ‘six-day’ view are removed, the order of events established by modern science conform to the sequence in the first chapter of Genesis, written millennia earlier: light from an explosion (the Big Bang), universe/earth formed, the seas from the cooling earth, plants as the first life forms; abundant sea life (the Cambrian explosion), the (evolution) of the flora and fauna we see today. Neat, eh?
Lucky guess by the author of the creation account of Genesis?
7. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.
The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.
Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!
The alternative explanation is divine intervention.
Both are merely theories that are unproven
....but taught in government school as though there were facts.
I have never seen the big bang be called fact.
It is the best theory we have based on our observations.
But then consider the fact that we have only observed about 5% of the matter and energy that comprises the universe you have to admit that the big bang even if it is the theory that best reflects our observations is not adequate.
Unlike some, I see no need to attribute the origins of the universe to a god simply because we as human beings may be incapable of every understanding the process.
It’s a little more than that. It’s energy being created from nothing according to the laws of nature which means they were in place before space and time and those laws predestined intelligence to arise. In effect the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It’s not an accident.
It is exactly that.
We do not understand 95% of the matter and energy that comprise the universe.
it is my belief we may never be able to understand it.
Saying a god made everything because we don't know the answer is a cop out.
And so what if your life was an accident? That makes it even more precious because it's the only one you will ever get
As the fables of 'science' have been so regularly exposed, yet you continue to parrot them, one is left to conclude that it is cowardice that motivates you.
You fear confronting the absurdities of the Left, their attempts to obviate any belief in God.
That's 'God' with a capital 'G,' not your pagan versions.
A glaring example is the fake scientists answer to the creation in Genesis.....
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
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And, from reviews of Krauss' book, " A Universe From Nothing,"...
"....at the end of the book he he has given up trying to explain his hypothesis. Throughout the book he admits that Something can come from Nothing only if there is Something inherent in the Nothingness.
...Krauss claims that "in quantum gravity, universes can, and indeed always will, spontaneously appear from nothing" This is yet again another fabrication,....
Krauss mixes opinion with pseudo-science to fool his cult that the universe popped into existence from nowhere with no cause (the epitome pseudo-science, anti-science and religious belief)."
Of course, the ancient Greek, Parmenides, was correct: nihil fit ex nihilo... "out of nothing, nothing [be]comes."
The fake science dunces are willing to accept anything...even things that obviate all of real science.
And you buy it like it was on sale.
Saying we may never know the origins of the universe is hardly buying the big bang theory.
I have never said the big bang was fact. If you think I have then quote it.
But unlike you I don't need a universal fudge factor like a god to explain things I don't and may never understand
Read more carefully, you dope.
This 'scientist' is claiming that the universe appeared from NOTHING......no material, no energy......from nothing.
It is simply one more attempt to keep the hard of thinking.....you.....in line and away from any acceptance of religion.
Some of them actually admit it.
“We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs,” the geneticist Richard Lewontin remarked equably in The New York Review of Books, “in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories.” We are to put up with science’s unsubstantiated just-so stories because, Lewontin explains, “we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door!”
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Faith is much more than that. The above description doesn't even skim the surface. It is like dismissing a diamond because it is only a rock.
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Of course I realize that.
I might be wrong, you might be wrong.
No one will ever know.
Quite frankly I am amused by people who say they know with all certainty that there is a god and an afterlife and I find it even funnier when people tell me they know they are going to heaven.
Seems to me if there was a god the last person he would want in heaven is the arrogant jerk who knows he's getting into heaven.
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No religion should be taught in public schools
The name of the Christian god is not God.
I'll capitalize
if a god was really omniscient wouldn't he know if a person is only pretending?
"Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)."
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You just admitted that you think god can be duped by mere mortals
The two gifts accorded mankind are free will and intelligence.
God didn't create robots.
In Genesis, we have an occasion where God loses an argument to one of his creations....
I refer to Prager's book, "Genesis."
"GOD IS MORALLY CHALLENGED—A FIRST IN HUMAN HISTORY
18.24 What if there should be fifty innocent within the city; will You then wipe out the place and not forgive it for the sake of the innocent fifty who are in it? Abraham argues for sparing the entire city of Sodom if fifty innocent people live there.
18.25 Far be it from You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the innocent as well as the guilty, so that innocent and guilty fare alike. Far be it from You! Abraham not only argues with God, he declares God wrong—“Far be it from You”—if God should kill the innocent along with the guilty. The Hebrew words chalila l’cha may also be translated, “Don’t you dare do such a thing . . .” It is astonishing that anyone would feel he could speak to a deity in this way. Such a statement is unique among all bibles and perhaps all holy literature. But it is the essence of the Torah and of later Judaism that humans may have so real a relationship with God that we can actually speak this way to Him. This negotiation between Abraham and God led Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz to title his book on Abraham and the history of Jewish lawyers Abra- ham: The World’s First (But Certainly Not Last) Jewish Lawyer.
18.25 (cont.) Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”
Abraham was arguing a principle made famous thousands of years later by the English jurist William Blackstone. Known as “Blackstone’s Formulation” and still adhered to today in Western legal thought, it postulated “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.”4 What is as incredible as Abraham’s arguing with God is his assumption that God is just. It is incredible because we know of no other people at that time or be- fore who made such an assumption about their god(s). This assumption changed history. Never had a human being challenged a god or gods on moral grounds. This is one of many reasons the Torah is as different from pre-Torah thought as life is from non-life, and it is therefore one of the many reasons the Torah—like the emergence of life from non-life—can best be explained by attributing it to God.
Equally amazing, God was in no way upset with Abraham for arguing with Him, or even for the manner (verse 25) in which Abraham spoke to Him. God responded to Abraham’s moral argument by agreeing with him.
He prefaced his next request with a statement of humility.
18.28 What if the fifty innocent should lack five? Will You destroy the whole city for want of the five?” As a bargaining technique, Abraham did not say “forty-five.” He wanted to empha- size the number “five” hoping a compassionate God would not destroy an entire city because just five fewer good people resided there.
18.28 (cont.) And He answered, “I will not destroy if I find forty-five there.”
18.29 But he spoke to Him again, and said, “What if forty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it, for the sake of the forty.” Abraham kept lowering the number of innocent people. And God kept agreeing.
18.30 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I go on: What if thirty should be
found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
18.31 And he said, “I venture again to speak to my Lord: What if twenty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the twenty.”
18.32 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I speak out this last time: What if ten should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the ten.”
Nevertheless, a small group, as Abraham’s appeal suggests, can make a moral impact. In fact, most of the good that has ever even achieved has been initiated by small groups. Examples include the extraordinary group of founders of America, the handful of Christians who brought about the abolition of slavery, the dissidents in the Soviet Union and other tyrannies who helped bring down evil regimes, and the moral impact of the tiny group of people known as Jews.
In addition to a preoccupation with justice, Abraham demonstrated a concern for humanity in general (starting with the extraordinary hospitality he exhibited at the chapter’s opening). The people of Sodom are not his family, his people, his ethnicity, or his religion, yet their fate weighed on him."
God, in fact, appears to appreciate his creation exhibiting this sort of behavior and initiative.
So your god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven ?
He kind of sounds like an idiot to me if he is so easily fooled
My 'God' is capitalized.
Didn't you learn that in government school?
Bet you can't quote where I said "god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven."
Either you aren't the swiftest of students, or you believe that lying is a valid manner of advancing your argument.
Which is it?
To correct you, I've said that there is a determination for reward and punishment in an afterlife.
I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings.
So tell me why are you using Pascal's wager for an argument if the god you believe in can see right through it?
if you really believe that your god is omniscient wouldn't you be telling people that those who would make Pascal's wager are doomed because their ruse would be immediately discovered by a god that knows all?
Or do you really believe people should lie about believing in a god?
"I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings."
You know very well you're lying.....and that's the answer to my earlier question....you believe lying is acceptable.
The reason you don't capitalize the term is to show the sort of disrespect for the concept, and you've been trained to do.
I am not lying.
Humans have worshiped many gods.
The one you worship is just one in a very long list of gods.
And I told you why I don't capitalize the word god. It has nothing to do with your beliefs.
And FYI my mother was extremely religious so no one taught me not to capitalize the word god. I decided to do that of my own free will
There is only one God, it is the Judeo-Christian one that served as a foundation for the folks who created this nation.
You really didn't learn anything in that government school, did you.
Out of pity, I'll provide this:
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html
And YOU say there is only one god and you are hardly a credible source
I for one have seen no proof that any gods exist
One is being taught now, you fool: militant secularism, neo-Marxism.
The only religion banned is that of our Founders.
1. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.
Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
2. - School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
"School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
The teacher also told Sommer that her son was not supposed to take the Nation of Islam handout home. It was supposed to stay in the classroom. That bit of news caused her great alarm.
“The fact that students were cautioned against allowing their parents to see anything is deeply troubling,” West told me. “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want parents to know what it is their children are learning.”
3. Under pressure from transgender activists, progressive politicians, teacher unions, and the education establishment, and despite parents’ opposition, America’s public schools are capitulating to ideologues and implementing the radical transgender agenda with full force.
...regardless of biological sex, .... Activists want every child, from kindergarten on, to learn that “sex” is something “assigned at birth” rather than a biological reality. They want children to think that individuals get to choose their own “gender identity” (not limited to male or female), and that everyone else must affirm that “gender identity” as true.
...nothing that parents (or teachers) can do to prevent the schools from imposing policies designed to indoctrinate children with gender ideology.
In public education, the “deep state” describes a coalition of various groups – including teachers’ unions, progressive advocacy groups, major corporations, and philanthropists --that work together to promote the progressive worldview..."
America’s Public Education System: The Ultimate Deep State
4. The National Education Association approved a new "business item" expressing support for abortion access during its annual conference in Houston.
"[T]he NEA will include an assertion of our defense of a person's right to control their own body, especially for women, youth, and sexually marginalized people," the resolution states. "The NEA vigorously opposes all attacks on the right to choose and stands on the fundamental right to abortion under Roe v. Wade."
The NEA is the largest teachers' union in the U.S. with more than 3 million members. It collected nearly $400 million from American educators in 2018, according to federal labor filings. The union is also one of the most politically active in the country, spending $70 million on politics and lobbying in 2017 and 2018. Nearly all of the union's political action committee spending went to Democrats during the midterm cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
NEA's 2019 adopted New Business Items (NBIs) reveal what savvy teachers have known for decades: state and national teachers' unions are essentially the political action committee of the Far-Left,"
Largest U.S. Teachers' Union Endorses Abortion
5. the 20-minute video being shown in American classrooms entitled The
Story of Stuff; a catchy title to appeal to grade school kids. This piece of anti-capitalist propaganda was
put together by Greenpeace member Annie Leonard.
6. NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
“TEN YEARS. We have ten years to save the planet,” Mayor Bill de Blasio cautioned in a tweet. “Today’s leaders are making decisions for our environment that our kids will have to live with. New York City stands with our young people. They’re our conscience. We support the 9/20 #ClimateStrike.”
Legions of adolescent activists across the globe are expected to demand immediate action to combat climate change in advance of a major UN conference on the issue next week.
As long as mom and dad sanction their principled truancy, absent kids won’t have attendance records dinged, the DOE said.
The September 20th event will feature Sweden’s “Climate Crisis” sweetheart, 16-year old Greta Thunberg.
Teen activist and Swedish sensation Greta Thunberg, who recently docked her zero-emissions sailboat in New York, will speak at the event which will snake its way through lower Manhattan to Battery Park.
Kids with parental permission to attend will be granted excused absences from school, Education Department officials tweeted Thursday.
The infamous “Green New Deal” will be promoted as well.
The New York City climate strike is backed by more than 100 environmental and political activist groups and other institutions, including New York Communities for Change, The New School and the Sierra Club.
The protesters’ demands include a “Green New Deal” that would end fossil fuel extraction and move the nation onto entirely renewable energy sources by 2030. Green New Deal policies have been backed by the likes of U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Personally, if I were one of the kids, I might argue about going to school at all. After all, if the Earth only has 10 more years before we are going to die, wouldn’t it be better to spend the time having fun or spending quality time with family?
On the other hand, if the New York City school officials were really invested in solving the climate crisis, wouldn’t they emphasize science and math? Perhaps keeping the kids in school and having them conduct experiments or perform calculations would inspire an interest in real climate science.
One theory that seems to prove true and is certainly consistent with what is happening with the New York City schools: When global problems are emphasized by locals, serious local matters are being ignored.
Case in point: New York state test results for third- through eighth-grade public school students are out, and the results are underwhelming.
Statewide, more than half the kids flunked yet again: Just 45.4% were deemed proficient in reading and 46.7% in math. In the city, 47.4% passed the reading test, while 45.6% got by in math.
Think the problem’s skimpy funding? Sorry: In 2017, the Empire Center’s E.J. McMahon reported in May, New York shelled out 89% more per kid than the national average. And that gap has been growing fast: In 1997, per-pupil outlays here were just 45% above average.
…In the city Thursday, Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza tried to spin the results positively. The pass rate in English, they noted, is up 0.7 percentage points — and three whole points in math.
“Growth counts for something,” Carranza insisted.
Huh? That paltry uptick is what they’re proud of? Even though more than half the kids bombed? Please.
Notably, kids in the one category of public schools de Blasio and Carranza (and their union pals) don’t run — i.e., the charters — beat their counterparts in the regular schools by more than 10 percentage points in both English and math.
At least the kids won’t be flying private jets to attend the event. That makes them substantially less hypocritical than the celebrities who will be indoctrinating them during the Manhattan event.
NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
7. “Fifth-grade teacher defends wearing 'Columbus was a murderer' shirt to school” https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/16/fifth-grade-teacher-defends- earing-columbus-was-a/
8. “Seattle Public Schools Say Math Is Racist
The Seattle Public Schools Ethnic Studies Advisory Committee (ESAC) released a rough draft of notes for its Math Ethnic Studies framework in late September, which attempts to connects math to a history of oppression.” Seattle Public Schools Say Math Is Racist
9. “The sex and gender revolutionaries have officially taken over the Austin Independent School District without firing a single shot. In spite of overwhelming opposition from parents and pastors, the district’s trustees voted early Tuesday morning to implement a pornographic sex education policy that includes instruction on anal sex and how to place a condom on an erect penis.
The father of a fifth grader demanded to know who gave the school district the right to teach his child how to have anal and oral sex.” Texas School District Implements Pornographic Sex Education Policy
10.” It appears the Chicago Teachers Union (CTU), which held a solidarity rally this Saturday afternoon, …. seemed more like a convention of far-left radicals than the image of clean-cut teachers the CTU would like to project. Thousands of red-shirted Chicago Teachers Union members flooded into Chicago’s aptly named Union Square Park at noon today to demonstrate for solidarity and workers’ rights. Protesters embraced radical revolutionary imagery, wearing shirts with Che Guevara on them and holding signs emblazoned with the “iron fist.”
Occupy Chicago and anarchist groups as well as the Progressive Labor Party, International Socialists, SEIU, AFL-CIO, and others stood alongside teachers chanting for solidarity…” Radical left coalesces around Chicago Teacher protest
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In the vid, teacher’s union with the Socialist iron fist banner…
11. “Racial Literacy Curriculum,” elementary schools in Virginia, North Carolina, New Jersey, New York, California, Rhode Island, Missouri, and Illinois have all adopted the mind-blowing, politically-charged brainwash that they tout as education. Topics for Kindergarten to Grade 8 include: implicit bias, white privilege, intersectionality, LGBTQ issues, racism as a “primary institution of the US,” and other such leftist agenda talking points.” EXCLUSIVE: New Leftist ‘Racial Literacy Curriculum’ Brainwashing Elementary School Children
12. The Pollyana Curriculum…nationwide
“Beginning in Grade 3, the Pollyanna "Racial Literacy Curriculum" asks students to become activists in order to achieve leftist goals. The 3rd Grade chapter is entitled "Stories of Activism – How One Voice Can Change a Community." The expected result is for students to understand "how we can be agents of communal, social, political, and environmental change."
…Pollyanna takes leftist activism to new heights, fabricating an image of a racist America that children are taught to rebel against.
By Grade 8,after nine years of acute indoctrination, the children are ready to fight on behalf of leftists in America. "tudents will set commitments for rectifying current social ills, such as learning and planning how to carry out anti-racist activism and/or social advocacy in their communities and/or to improve their everyday lives." The 8th Grade chapter is entitled "Racism as a Primary 'Institution' of the U.S. – How We May Combat Systemic Inequality." EXCLUSIVE: Leftist Activism Is A Requirement Of New Elementary School Curriculum
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What gods are central to this religion you say is being taught in public school?
The great god, government.
Children are taught to worship Gaia, mother earth.......on the day of Lenin's birthday.
Gee I guess I missed that class because I am no fan of the fucking government either but you are.
Funny how the atheist (me) is critical of all government while the believer( you) is a fan of government.
Seems to me you are a little confused about who is actually indoctrinated here
No vulgarity.
Fuck fuck fuck
Yeah, it looks you were not privileged enough to be sent to Parochial school.
Yes, the education was better than public schools.
I even kept the same book from 7th grade and used it in public school 9th grade.
The book? American Civics. Check it out sometime.
Publisher? Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich.
Yes, there is a God that created this world, and you denying this doesn't make it not so.
And you believing doesn't mean it is so
Reason and experience say otherwise.
there is no reason to believe in anything without empirical proof
There’s plenty of empirical evidence. It is literally all around you.
But putting that aside 90% of everything we know was accepted on authority of others. We didn't actually do the work or see the evidence. We took it on the word of others. Anyone who would scoff at accepting knowledge on the authority of others would have to go around knowing next to nothing their whole life.
With that said we shouldn’t blindly accept knowledge on the authority of others either. We should make some effort to see if what they claim makes sense.
We in all our arrogance think we understand the universe when in reality 95% of it is an utter mystery
But the mere fact that we do not understand something is in no way proof that a supreme being is responsible for it
My dog will never understand fractions because her brain has real physical limitations.
I believe that the human brain also has limitations and that we very well may be incapable of understanding the universe.
I have always found more than interesting that the biblical order of the creation of the universe is the very same that modern science has come around to proposing.
1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.
a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
2. Modern science has largely revealed the earth’s history with respect to the land and the seas. Coincidently, the first chapter of the Bible relates a formation, a creation narrative, strangely similar to scientific understanding.
a. Genesis 1: 6-10…”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dryland appear: and it was so. And God called the dry landEarth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.
b. “The formation of the sea as well as the land is chosen as the second stage in the creation on the Bible’s first page. Modern science reveals that land and sea certainly were in place before the next stage in the scientific account of the history of the universe.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p.54. What a coincidence….or confluence.
Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….
3. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative? Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.
a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
b. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth
4. Track the events in the creation account of Genesis and it’s amazing how closely the events conform to the current view of modern science. An explosion- the universe – oceans/land - plants- …And next, in verse 20, we find: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Kind of unusual…since the author of Genesis, and, if we are to believe that the first one to speak those words, Moses, didn’t really live in a habitat that one might call ‘sea side.’
Would have been understandable if this space in the Bible had, instead, have focused on the numbers of land mammals, birds, or insects found in ancient Israel, wouldn’t it? But, instead, marine organisms are specifically named: ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,…’
Wouldn’t it be interesting if science find lots and lots of marine organisms extant at this point? Imagine if Genesis actually parallels the history of life on earth as expounded by science. Be a heck of a coincidence.
a. A truly important development took place some 521 million years ago, in the geological period known as the Cambrian. “The most abundant and diverse animals of Cambrian time were the trilobites. Trilobites had long antennae, compound eyes, many jointed legs, and a hard exoskeleton like many of their modern arthropod relatives, such as lobsters, crabs, and insects. The Cambrian is sometimes called the "Age of Trilobites"…” Redirect
b. No earlier fossils were found during Darwin’s lifetime: “If the theory [evolution] be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited ... the world swarmed with living creatures. [Yet] to the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these earliest periods. . . I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable.” http://www.paleosoc.org/Oldest_Fossil.pdf
....life at this stage, about 500 million years ago, was entirely marine.
How could the Genesis writer have gotten this right?
That writer…he’s landlocked, knows little of diversity….what are the odds that ‘chance’ is the answer?
What are the odds?
5. The sequence of events from the creation of the universe, to the present, begin with great explosion that produces the universe, including the earth. The earth cools enough for oceans to form. The first life is plant life, able to photosynthesize, and add oxygen to the atmosphere. All sorts of simple non-plants fill the seas, most wormlike, with soft bodies. Along come the trilobites, hugely advanced, with hard bodies…and most amazingly, with true eyes! This makes them the primary predators….but, imposes enormous evolutionary pressure on the other organisms. The result is the Cambrian explosion, lots of small organisms with defensive armor and hard exoskeletons, some 521 million years ago. So says modern science.
a. “…Genesis shows remarkable accuracy when compared to the scientific story of life’s evolutionary journey. Here, the Genesis writer envisioned great creatures evolving from those tiny Cambrian forms, eventually making their way out of the sea….Genesis seems to have picked out all the events of the highest order of importance, and put them in the right order….I don’t know the odds against such a parallel- against making a successful guess at the scientific orthodoxy of three thousand year into the future from a knowledge base of nothing- but they must be extraordinarily long.” Parker, Op. Cit., p.163-164.
b. An interesting sidelight is the ‘evolution of the Bible’ itself. Christians have incorporated a great deal of science’s process. Early in the 20th century, the Scofield Reference Bible was published. This was a new version of the King James Bible with which added a note to Genesis, suggesting what is called the “gap theory.’ It allows that millions of years could have passed between God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, thereby freeing Genesis from the literal six-day process. “What it left was a series- the same series- of timeless events; and it is these that match the scientific account of life’s history.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p. 160.
6. Unavoidable is the recognition that, once the restrictions due to the ‘six-day’ view are removed, the order of events established by modern science conform to the sequence in the first chapter of Genesis, written millennia earlier: light from an explosion (the Big Bang), universe/earth formed, the seas from the cooling earth, plants as the first life forms; abundant sea life (the Cambrian explosion), the (evolution) of the flora and fauna we see today. Neat, eh?
Lucky guess by the author of the creation account of Genesis?
7. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.
The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.
Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!
The alternative explanation is divine intervention.
Both are merely theories that are unproven
....but taught in government school as though there were facts.
I have never seen the big bang be called fact.
It is the best theory we have based on our observations.
But then consider the fact that we have only observed about 5% of the matter and energy that comprises the universe you have to admit that the big bang even if it is the theory that best reflects our observations is not adequate.
Unlike some, I see no need to attribute the origins of the universe to a god simply because we as human beings may be incapable of every understanding the process.
It’s a little more than that. It’s energy being created from nothing according to the laws of nature which means they were in place before space and time and those laws predestined intelligence to arise. In effect the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It’s not an accident.
It is exactly that.
We do not understand 95% of the matter and energy that comprise the universe.
it is my belief we may never be able to understand it.
Saying a god made everything because we don't know the answer is a cop out.
And so what if your life was an accident? That makes it even more precious because it's the only one you will ever get
As the fables of 'science' have been so regularly exposed, yet you continue to parrot them, one is left to conclude that it is cowardice that motivates you.
You fear confronting the absurdities of the Left, their attempts to obviate any belief in God.
That's 'God' with a capital 'G,' not your pagan versions.
A glaring example is the fake scientists answer to the creation in Genesis.....
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
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And, from reviews of Krauss' book, " A Universe From Nothing,"...
"....at the end of the book he he has given up trying to explain his hypothesis. Throughout the book he admits that Something can come from Nothing only if there is Something inherent in the Nothingness.
...Krauss claims that "in quantum gravity, universes can, and indeed always will, spontaneously appear from nothing" This is yet again another fabrication,....
Krauss mixes opinion with pseudo-science to fool his cult that the universe popped into existence from nowhere with no cause (the epitome pseudo-science, anti-science and religious belief)."
Of course, the ancient Greek, Parmenides, was correct: nihil fit ex nihilo... "out of nothing, nothing [be]comes."
The fake science dunces are willing to accept anything...even things that obviate all of real science.
And you buy it like it was on sale.
Saying we may never know the origins of the universe is hardly buying the big bang theory.
I have never said the big bang was fact. If you think I have then quote it.
But unlike you I don't need a universal fudge factor like a god to explain things I don't and may never understand
Read more carefully, you dope.
This 'scientist' is claiming that the universe appeared from NOTHING......no material, no energy......from nothing.
It is simply one more attempt to keep the hard of thinking.....you.....in line and away from any acceptance of religion.
Some of them actually admit it.
“We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs,” the geneticist Richard Lewontin remarked equably in The New York Review of Books, “in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories.” We are to put up with science’s unsubstantiated just-so stories because, Lewontin explains, “we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door!”
And , Fuckstick, I never said that the big bang was fact. Just because a person might not know everything in no way means that everything they know or understand is suspect.
In reality the person who tells everyone they know everything is the one who is suspect.
Like people who just know there is a god and an afterlife and that they will be lovingly taken to their god's bosom because they are worthy
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No religion should be taught in public schools
The name of the Christian god is not God.
I'll capitalize
if a god was really omniscient wouldn't he know if a person is only pretending?
"Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)."
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia
You just admitted that you think god can be duped by mere mortals
The two gifts accorded mankind are free will and intelligence.
God didn't create robots.
In Genesis, we have an occasion where God loses an argument to one of his creations....
I refer to Prager's book, "Genesis."
"GOD IS MORALLY CHALLENGED—A FIRST IN HUMAN HISTORY
18.24 What if there should be fifty innocent within the city; will You then wipe out the place and not forgive it for the sake of the innocent fifty who are in it? Abraham argues for sparing the entire city of Sodom if fifty innocent people live there.
18.25 Far be it from You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the innocent as well as the guilty, so that innocent and guilty fare alike. Far be it from You! Abraham not only argues with God, he declares God wrong—“Far be it from You”—if God should kill the innocent along with the guilty. The Hebrew words chalila l’cha may also be translated, “Don’t you dare do such a thing . . .” It is astonishing that anyone would feel he could speak to a deity in this way. Such a statement is unique among all bibles and perhaps all holy literature. But it is the essence of the Torah and of later Judaism that humans may have so real a relationship with God that we can actually speak this way to Him. This negotiation between Abraham and God led Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz to title his book on Abraham and the history of Jewish lawyers Abra- ham: The World’s First (But Certainly Not Last) Jewish Lawyer.
18.25 (cont.) Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”
Abraham was arguing a principle made famous thousands of years later by the English jurist William Blackstone. Known as “Blackstone’s Formulation” and still adhered to today in Western legal thought, it postulated “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.”4 What is as incredible as Abraham’s arguing with God is his assumption that God is just. It is incredible because we know of no other people at that time or be- fore who made such an assumption about their god(s). This assumption changed history. Never had a human being challenged a god or gods on moral grounds. This is one of many reasons the Torah is as different from pre-Torah thought as life is from non-life, and it is therefore one of the many reasons the Torah—like the emergence of life from non-life—can best be explained by attributing it to God.
Equally amazing, God was in no way upset with Abraham for arguing with Him, or even for the manner (verse 25) in which Abraham spoke to Him. God responded to Abraham’s moral argument by agreeing with him.
He prefaced his next request with a statement of humility.
18.28 What if the fifty innocent should lack five? Will You destroy the whole city for want of the five?” As a bargaining technique, Abraham did not say “forty-five.” He wanted to empha- size the number “five” hoping a compassionate God would not destroy an entire city because just five fewer good people resided there.
18.28 (cont.) And He answered, “I will not destroy if I find forty-five there.”
18.29 But he spoke to Him again, and said, “What if forty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it, for the sake of the forty.” Abraham kept lowering the number of innocent people. And God kept agreeing.
18.30 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I go on: What if thirty should be
found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
18.31 And he said, “I venture again to speak to my Lord: What if twenty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the twenty.”
18.32 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I speak out this last time: What if ten should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the ten.”
Nevertheless, a small group, as Abraham’s appeal suggests, can make a moral impact. In fact, most of the good that has ever even achieved has been initiated by small groups. Examples include the extraordinary group of founders of America, the handful of Christians who brought about the abolition of slavery, the dissidents in the Soviet Union and other tyrannies who helped bring down evil regimes, and the moral impact of the tiny group of people known as Jews.
In addition to a preoccupation with justice, Abraham demonstrated a concern for humanity in general (starting with the extraordinary hospitality he exhibited at the chapter’s opening). The people of Sodom are not his family, his people, his ethnicity, or his religion, yet their fate weighed on him."
God, in fact, appears to appreciate his creation exhibiting this sort of behavior and initiative.
So your god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven ?
He kind of sounds like an idiot to me if he is so easily fooled
My 'God' is capitalized.
Didn't you learn that in government school?
Bet you can't quote where I said "god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven."
Either you aren't the swiftest of students, or you believe that lying is a valid manner of advancing your argument.
Which is it?
To correct you, I've said that there is a determination for reward and punishment in an afterlife.
I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings.
So tell me why are you using Pascal's wager for an argument if the god you believe in can see right through it?
if you really believe that your god is omniscient wouldn't you be telling people that those who would make Pascal's wager are doomed because their ruse would be immediately discovered by a god that knows all?
Or do you really believe people should lie about believing in a god?
"I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings."
You know very well you're lying.....and that's the answer to my earlier question....you believe lying is acceptable.
The reason you don't capitalize the term is to show the sort of disrespect for the concept, and you've been trained to do.
I am not lying.
Humans have worshiped many gods.
The one you worship is just one in a very long list of gods.
And I told you why I don't capitalize the word god. It has nothing to do with your beliefs.
And FYI my mother was extremely religious so no one taught me not to capitalize the word god. I decided to do that of my own free will
There is only one God, it is the Judeo-Christian one that served as a foundation for the folks who created this nation.
You really didn't learn anything in that government school, did you.
Out of pity, I'll provide this:
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html
And YOU say there is only one god and you are hardly a credible source
I for one have seen no proof that any gods exist
One is being taught now, you fool: militant secularism, neo-Marxism.
The only religion banned is that of our Founders.
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Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
2. - School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
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The teacher also told Sommer that her son was not supposed to take the Nation of Islam handout home. It was supposed to stay in the classroom. That bit of news caused her great alarm.
“The fact that students were cautioned against allowing their parents to see anything is deeply troubling,” West told me. “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want parents to know what it is their children are learning.”
3. Under pressure from transgender activists, progressive politicians, teacher unions, and the education establishment, and despite parents’ opposition, America’s public schools are capitulating to ideologues and implementing the radical transgender agenda with full force.
...regardless of biological sex, .... Activists want every child, from kindergarten on, to learn that “sex” is something “assigned at birth” rather than a biological reality. They want children to think that individuals get to choose their own “gender identity” (not limited to male or female), and that everyone else must affirm that “gender identity” as true.
...nothing that parents (or teachers) can do to prevent the schools from imposing policies designed to indoctrinate children with gender ideology.
In public education, the “deep state” describes a coalition of various groups – including teachers’ unions, progressive advocacy groups, major corporations, and philanthropists --that work together to promote the progressive worldview..."
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4. The National Education Association approved a new "business item" expressing support for abortion access during its annual conference in Houston.
"[T]he NEA will include an assertion of our defense of a person's right to control their own body, especially for women, youth, and sexually marginalized people," the resolution states. "The NEA vigorously opposes all attacks on the right to choose and stands on the fundamental right to abortion under Roe v. Wade."
The NEA is the largest teachers' union in the U.S. with more than 3 million members. It collected nearly $400 million from American educators in 2018, according to federal labor filings. The union is also one of the most politically active in the country, spending $70 million on politics and lobbying in 2017 and 2018. Nearly all of the union's political action committee spending went to Democrats during the midterm cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
NEA's 2019 adopted New Business Items (NBIs) reveal what savvy teachers have known for decades: state and national teachers' unions are essentially the political action committee of the Far-Left,"
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5. the 20-minute video being shown in American classrooms entitled The
Story of Stuff; a catchy title to appeal to grade school kids. This piece of anti-capitalist propaganda was
put together by Greenpeace member Annie Leonard.
6. NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
“TEN YEARS. We have ten years to save the planet,” Mayor Bill de Blasio cautioned in a tweet. “Today’s leaders are making decisions for our environment that our kids will have to live with. New York City stands with our young people. They’re our conscience. We support the 9/20 #ClimateStrike.”
Legions of adolescent activists across the globe are expected to demand immediate action to combat climate change in advance of a major UN conference on the issue next week.
As long as mom and dad sanction their principled truancy, absent kids won’t have attendance records dinged, the DOE said.
The September 20th event will feature Sweden’s “Climate Crisis” sweetheart, 16-year old Greta Thunberg.
Teen activist and Swedish sensation Greta Thunberg, who recently docked her zero-emissions sailboat in New York, will speak at the event which will snake its way through lower Manhattan to Battery Park.
Kids with parental permission to attend will be granted excused absences from school, Education Department officials tweeted Thursday.
The infamous “Green New Deal” will be promoted as well.
The New York City climate strike is backed by more than 100 environmental and political activist groups and other institutions, including New York Communities for Change, The New School and the Sierra Club.
The protesters’ demands include a “Green New Deal” that would end fossil fuel extraction and move the nation onto entirely renewable energy sources by 2030. Green New Deal policies have been backed by the likes of U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Personally, if I were one of the kids, I might argue about going to school at all. After all, if the Earth only has 10 more years before we are going to die, wouldn’t it be better to spend the time having fun or spending quality time with family?
On the other hand, if the New York City school officials were really invested in solving the climate crisis, wouldn’t they emphasize science and math? Perhaps keeping the kids in school and having them conduct experiments or perform calculations would inspire an interest in real climate science.
One theory that seems to prove true and is certainly consistent with what is happening with the New York City schools: When global problems are emphasized by locals, serious local matters are being ignored.
Case in point: New York state test results for third- through eighth-grade public school students are out, and the results are underwhelming.
Statewide, more than half the kids flunked yet again: Just 45.4% were deemed proficient in reading and 46.7% in math. In the city, 47.4% passed the reading test, while 45.6% got by in math.
Think the problem’s skimpy funding? Sorry: In 2017, the Empire Center’s E.J. McMahon reported in May, New York shelled out 89% more per kid than the national average. And that gap has been growing fast: In 1997, per-pupil outlays here were just 45% above average.
…In the city Thursday, Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza tried to spin the results positively. The pass rate in English, they noted, is up 0.7 percentage points — and three whole points in math.
“Growth counts for something,” Carranza insisted.
Huh? That paltry uptick is what they’re proud of? Even though more than half the kids bombed? Please.
Notably, kids in the one category of public schools de Blasio and Carranza (and their union pals) don’t run — i.e., the charters — beat their counterparts in the regular schools by more than 10 percentage points in both English and math.
At least the kids won’t be flying private jets to attend the event. That makes them substantially less hypocritical than the celebrities who will be indoctrinating them during the Manhattan event.
NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
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8. “Seattle Public Schools Say Math Is Racist
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9. “The sex and gender revolutionaries have officially taken over the Austin Independent School District without firing a single shot. In spite of overwhelming opposition from parents and pastors, the district’s trustees voted early Tuesday morning to implement a pornographic sex education policy that includes instruction on anal sex and how to place a condom on an erect penis.
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In the vid, teacher’s union with the Socialist iron fist banner…
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…Pollyanna takes leftist activism to new heights, fabricating an image of a racist America that children are taught to rebel against.
By Grade 8,after nine years of acute indoctrination, the children are ready to fight on behalf of leftists in America. "tudents will set commitments for rectifying current social ills, such as learning and planning how to carry out anti-racist activism and/or social advocacy in their communities and/or to improve their everyday lives." The 8th Grade chapter is entitled "Racism as a Primary 'Institution' of the U.S. – How We May Combat Systemic Inequality." EXCLUSIVE: Leftist Activism Is A Requirement Of New Elementary School Curriculum
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What gods are central to this religion you say is being taught in public school?
The great god, government.
Children are taught to worship Gaia, mother earth.......on the day of Lenin's birthday.
Gee I guess I missed that class because I am no fan of the fucking government either but you are.
Funny how the atheist (me) is critical of all government while the believer( you) is a fan of government.
Seems to me you are a little confused about who is actually indoctrinated here
No vulgarity.
Fuck fuck fuck
Yeah, it looks you were not privileged enough to be sent to Parochial school.
Yes, the education was better than public schools.
I even kept the same book from 7th grade and used it in public school 9th grade.
The book? American Civics. Check it out sometime.
Publisher? Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich.
Yes, there is a God that created this world, and you denying this doesn't make it not so.
And you believing doesn't mean it is so
Reason and experience say otherwise.
there is no reason to believe in anything without empirical proof
There’s plenty of empirical evidence. It is literally all around you.
But putting that aside 90% of everything we know was accepted on authority of others. We didn't actually do the work or see the evidence. We took it on the word of others. Anyone who would scoff at accepting knowledge on the authority of others would have to go around knowing next to nothing their whole life.
With that said we shouldn’t blindly accept knowledge on the authority of others either. We should make some effort to see if what they claim makes sense.
We in all our arrogance think we understand the universe when in reality 95% of it is an utter mystery
But the mere fact that we do not understand something is in no way proof that a supreme being is responsible for it
My dog will never understand fractions because her brain has real physical limitations.
I believe that the human brain also has limitations and that we very well may be incapable of understanding the universe.
I have always found more than interesting that the biblical order of the creation of the universe is the very same that modern science has come around to proposing.
1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.
a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
2. Modern science has largely revealed the earth’s history with respect to the land and the seas. Coincidently, the first chapter of the Bible relates a formation, a creation narrative, strangely similar to scientific understanding.
a. Genesis 1: 6-10…”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dryland appear: and it was so. And God called the dry landEarth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.
b. “The formation of the sea as well as the land is chosen as the second stage in the creation on the Bible’s first page. Modern science reveals that land and sea certainly were in place before the next stage in the scientific account of the history of the universe.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p.54. What a coincidence….or confluence.
Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….
3. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative? Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.
a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
b. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth
4. Track the events in the creation account of Genesis and it’s amazing how closely the events conform to the current view of modern science. An explosion- the universe – oceans/land - plants- …And next, in verse 20, we find: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Kind of unusual…since the author of Genesis, and, if we are to believe that the first one to speak those words, Moses, didn’t really live in a habitat that one might call ‘sea side.’
Would have been understandable if this space in the Bible had, instead, have focused on the numbers of land mammals, birds, or insects found in ancient Israel, wouldn’t it? But, instead, marine organisms are specifically named: ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,…’
Wouldn’t it be interesting if science find lots and lots of marine organisms extant at this point? Imagine if Genesis actually parallels the history of life on earth as expounded by science. Be a heck of a coincidence.
a. A truly important development took place some 521 million years ago, in the geological period known as the Cambrian. “The most abundant and diverse animals of Cambrian time were the trilobites. Trilobites had long antennae, compound eyes, many jointed legs, and a hard exoskeleton like many of their modern arthropod relatives, such as lobsters, crabs, and insects. The Cambrian is sometimes called the "Age of Trilobites"…” Redirect
b. No earlier fossils were found during Darwin’s lifetime: “If the theory [evolution] be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited ... the world swarmed with living creatures. [Yet] to the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these earliest periods. . . I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable.” http://www.paleosoc.org/Oldest_Fossil.pdf
....life at this stage, about 500 million years ago, was entirely marine.
How could the Genesis writer have gotten this right?
That writer…he’s landlocked, knows little of diversity….what are the odds that ‘chance’ is the answer?
What are the odds?
5. The sequence of events from the creation of the universe, to the present, begin with great explosion that produces the universe, including the earth. The earth cools enough for oceans to form. The first life is plant life, able to photosynthesize, and add oxygen to the atmosphere. All sorts of simple non-plants fill the seas, most wormlike, with soft bodies. Along come the trilobites, hugely advanced, with hard bodies…and most amazingly, with true eyes! This makes them the primary predators….but, imposes enormous evolutionary pressure on the other organisms. The result is the Cambrian explosion, lots of small organisms with defensive armor and hard exoskeletons, some 521 million years ago. So says modern science.
a. “…Genesis shows remarkable accuracy when compared to the scientific story of life’s evolutionary journey. Here, the Genesis writer envisioned great creatures evolving from those tiny Cambrian forms, eventually making their way out of the sea….Genesis seems to have picked out all the events of the highest order of importance, and put them in the right order….I don’t know the odds against such a parallel- against making a successful guess at the scientific orthodoxy of three thousand year into the future from a knowledge base of nothing- but they must be extraordinarily long.” Parker, Op. Cit., p.163-164.
b. An interesting sidelight is the ‘evolution of the Bible’ itself. Christians have incorporated a great deal of science’s process. Early in the 20th century, the Scofield Reference Bible was published. This was a new version of the King James Bible with which added a note to Genesis, suggesting what is called the “gap theory.’ It allows that millions of years could have passed between God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, thereby freeing Genesis from the literal six-day process. “What it left was a series- the same series- of timeless events; and it is these that match the scientific account of life’s history.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p. 160.
6. Unavoidable is the recognition that, once the restrictions due to the ‘six-day’ view are removed, the order of events established by modern science conform to the sequence in the first chapter of Genesis, written millennia earlier: light from an explosion (the Big Bang), universe/earth formed, the seas from the cooling earth, plants as the first life forms; abundant sea life (the Cambrian explosion), the (evolution) of the flora and fauna we see today. Neat, eh?
Lucky guess by the author of the creation account of Genesis?
7. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.
The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.
Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!
The alternative explanation is divine intervention.
Both are merely theories that are unproven
....but taught in government school as though there were facts.
I have never seen the big bang be called fact.
It is the best theory we have based on our observations.
But then consider the fact that we have only observed about 5% of the matter and energy that comprises the universe you have to admit that the big bang even if it is the theory that best reflects our observations is not adequate.
Unlike some, I see no need to attribute the origins of the universe to a god simply because we as human beings may be incapable of every understanding the process.
It’s a little more than that. It’s energy being created from nothing according to the laws of nature which means they were in place before space and time and those laws predestined intelligence to arise. In effect the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It’s not an accident.
It is exactly that.
We do not understand 95% of the matter and energy that comprise the universe.
it is my belief we may never be able to understand it.
Saying a god made everything because we don't know the answer is a cop out.
And so what if your life was an accident? That makes it even more precious because it's the only one you will ever get
As the fables of 'science' have been so regularly exposed, yet you continue to parrot them, one is left to conclude that it is cowardice that motivates you.
You fear confronting the absurdities of the Left, their attempts to obviate any belief in God.
That's 'God' with a capital 'G,' not your pagan versions.
A glaring example is the fake scientists answer to the creation in Genesis.....
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
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And, from reviews of Krauss' book, " A Universe From Nothing,"...
"....at the end of the book he he has given up trying to explain his hypothesis. Throughout the book he admits that Something can come from Nothing only if there is Something inherent in the Nothingness.
...Krauss claims that "in quantum gravity, universes can, and indeed always will, spontaneously appear from nothing" This is yet again another fabrication,....
Krauss mixes opinion with pseudo-science to fool his cult that the universe popped into existence from nowhere with no cause (the epitome pseudo-science, anti-science and religious belief)."
Of course, the ancient Greek, Parmenides, was correct: nihil fit ex nihilo... "out of nothing, nothing [be]comes."
The fake science dunces are willing to accept anything...even things that obviate all of real science.
And you buy it like it was on sale.
Saying we may never know the origins of the universe is hardly buying the big bang theory.
I have never said the big bang was fact. If you think I have then quote it.
But unlike you I don't need a universal fudge factor like a god to explain things I don't and may never understand
Read more carefully, you dope.
This 'scientist' is claiming that the universe appeared from NOTHING......no material, no energy......from nothing.
It is simply one more attempt to keep the hard of thinking.....you.....in line and away from any acceptance of religion.
Some of them actually admit it.
“We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs,” the geneticist Richard Lewontin remarked equably in The New York Review of Books, “in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories.” We are to put up with science’s unsubstantiated just-so stories because, Lewontin explains, “we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door!”
And , Fuckstick, I never said that the big bang was fact. Just because a person might not know everything in no way means that everything they know or understand is suspect.
In reality the person who tells everyone they know everything is the one who is suspect.
Like people who just know there is a god and an afterlife and that they will be lovingly taken to their god's bosom because they are worthy
And again....as soon as trash like you has been destroyed, you default to vulgarity.
Get lost.
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RE: Afterlife….How About For You?
⁜→ ding, et al,
BLUF: Inalienable Rights are an illusion, but as long as everyone has the same illusion, the Rights will stick.
Yes, here we go. Injecting realism and reality into a faith-based on a theological concept.
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We understand that "their duty and obligation" is a creation of man, by men, who were motivated by factors (sometimes described as divine inspiration) which we are never really sure about there origin.
Most Respectfully,
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⁜→ ding, et al,
BLUF: Inalienable Rights are an illusion, but as long as everyone has the same illusion, the Rights will stick.
(COMMENT)
Yes, here we go. Injecting realism and reality into a faith-based on a theological concept.
(COMMENT)
We understand that "their duty and obligation" is a creation of man, by men, who were motivated by factors (sometimes described as divine inspiration) which we are never really sure about there origin.
Most Respectfully,
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No religion should be taught in public schools
The name of the Christian god is not God.
I'll capitalize
if a god was really omniscient wouldn't he know if a person is only pretending?
"Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)."
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia
You just admitted that you think god can be duped by mere mortals
The two gifts accorded mankind are free will and intelligence.
God didn't create robots.
In Genesis, we have an occasion where God loses an argument to one of his creations....
I refer to Prager's book, "Genesis."
"GOD IS MORALLY CHALLENGED—A FIRST IN HUMAN HISTORY
18.24 What if there should be fifty innocent within the city; will You then wipe out the place and not forgive it for the sake of the innocent fifty who are in it? Abraham argues for sparing the entire city of Sodom if fifty innocent people live there.
18.25 Far be it from You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the innocent as well as the guilty, so that innocent and guilty fare alike. Far be it from You! Abraham not only argues with God, he declares God wrong—“Far be it from You”—if God should kill the innocent along with the guilty. The Hebrew words chalila l’cha may also be translated, “Don’t you dare do such a thing . . .” It is astonishing that anyone would feel he could speak to a deity in this way. Such a statement is unique among all bibles and perhaps all holy literature. But it is the essence of the Torah and of later Judaism that humans may have so real a relationship with God that we can actually speak this way to Him. This negotiation between Abraham and God led Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz to title his book on Abraham and the history of Jewish lawyers Abra- ham: The World’s First (But Certainly Not Last) Jewish Lawyer.
18.25 (cont.) Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”
Abraham was arguing a principle made famous thousands of years later by the English jurist William Blackstone. Known as “Blackstone’s Formulation” and still adhered to today in Western legal thought, it postulated “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.”4 What is as incredible as Abraham’s arguing with God is his assumption that God is just. It is incredible because we know of no other people at that time or be- fore who made such an assumption about their god(s). This assumption changed history. Never had a human being challenged a god or gods on moral grounds. This is one of many reasons the Torah is as different from pre-Torah thought as life is from non-life, and it is therefore one of the many reasons the Torah—like the emergence of life from non-life—can best be explained by attributing it to God.
Equally amazing, God was in no way upset with Abraham for arguing with Him, or even for the manner (verse 25) in which Abraham spoke to Him. God responded to Abraham’s moral argument by agreeing with him.
He prefaced his next request with a statement of humility.
18.28 What if the fifty innocent should lack five? Will You destroy the whole city for want of the five?” As a bargaining technique, Abraham did not say “forty-five.” He wanted to empha- size the number “five” hoping a compassionate God would not destroy an entire city because just five fewer good people resided there.
18.28 (cont.) And He answered, “I will not destroy if I find forty-five there.”
18.29 But he spoke to Him again, and said, “What if forty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it, for the sake of the forty.” Abraham kept lowering the number of innocent people. And God kept agreeing.
18.30 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I go on: What if thirty should be
found there?” And He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
18.31 And he said, “I venture again to speak to my Lord: What if twenty should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the twenty.”
18.32 And he said, “Let not my Lord be angry if I speak out this last time: What if ten should be found there?” And He answered, “I will not destroy, for the sake of the ten.”
Nevertheless, a small group, as Abraham’s appeal suggests, can make a moral impact. In fact, most of the good that has ever even achieved has been initiated by small groups. Examples include the extraordinary group of founders of America, the handful of Christians who brought about the abolition of slavery, the dissidents in the Soviet Union and other tyrannies who helped bring down evil regimes, and the moral impact of the tiny group of people known as Jews.
In addition to a preoccupation with justice, Abraham demonstrated a concern for humanity in general (starting with the extraordinary hospitality he exhibited at the chapter’s opening). The people of Sodom are not his family, his people, his ethnicity, or his religion, yet their fate weighed on him."
God, in fact, appears to appreciate his creation exhibiting this sort of behavior and initiative.
So your god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven ?
He kind of sounds like an idiot to me if he is so easily fooled
My 'God' is capitalized.
Didn't you learn that in government school?
Bet you can't quote where I said "god would congratulate an atheist for pretending to believe in him and then reward said atheist with eternal life in heaven."
Either you aren't the swiftest of students, or you believe that lying is a valid manner of advancing your argument.
Which is it?
To correct you, I've said that there is a determination for reward and punishment in an afterlife.
I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings.
So tell me why are you using Pascal's wager for an argument if the god you believe in can see right through it?
if you really believe that your god is omniscient wouldn't you be telling people that those who would make Pascal's wager are doomed because their ruse would be immediately discovered by a god that knows all?
Or do you really believe people should lie about believing in a god?
"I don't capitalize the word god because there have been many many gods created by human beings."
You know very well you're lying.....and that's the answer to my earlier question....you believe lying is acceptable.
The reason you don't capitalize the term is to show the sort of disrespect for the concept, and you've been trained to do.
I am not lying.
Humans have worshiped many gods.
The one you worship is just one in a very long list of gods.
And I told you why I don't capitalize the word god. It has nothing to do with your beliefs.
And FYI my mother was extremely religious so no one taught me not to capitalize the word god. I decided to do that of my own free will
There is only one God, it is the Judeo-Christian one that served as a foundation for the folks who created this nation.
You really didn't learn anything in that government school, did you.
Out of pity, I'll provide this:
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html
And YOU say there is only one god and you are hardly a credible source
I for one have seen no proof that any gods exist
One is being taught now, you fool: militant secularism, neo-Marxism.
The only religion banned is that of our Founders.
1. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.
Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
2. - School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
"School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
The teacher also told Sommer that her son was not supposed to take the Nation of Islam handout home. It was supposed to stay in the classroom. That bit of news caused her great alarm.
“The fact that students were cautioned against allowing their parents to see anything is deeply troubling,” West told me. “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want parents to know what it is their children are learning.”
3. Under pressure from transgender activists, progressive politicians, teacher unions, and the education establishment, and despite parents’ opposition, America’s public schools are capitulating to ideologues and implementing the radical transgender agenda with full force.
...regardless of biological sex, .... Activists want every child, from kindergarten on, to learn that “sex” is something “assigned at birth” rather than a biological reality. They want children to think that individuals get to choose their own “gender identity” (not limited to male or female), and that everyone else must affirm that “gender identity” as true.
...nothing that parents (or teachers) can do to prevent the schools from imposing policies designed to indoctrinate children with gender ideology.
In public education, the “deep state” describes a coalition of various groups – including teachers’ unions, progressive advocacy groups, major corporations, and philanthropists --that work together to promote the progressive worldview..."
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4. The National Education Association approved a new "business item" expressing support for abortion access during its annual conference in Houston.
"[T]he NEA will include an assertion of our defense of a person's right to control their own body, especially for women, youth, and sexually marginalized people," the resolution states. "The NEA vigorously opposes all attacks on the right to choose and stands on the fundamental right to abortion under Roe v. Wade."
The NEA is the largest teachers' union in the U.S. with more than 3 million members. It collected nearly $400 million from American educators in 2018, according to federal labor filings. The union is also one of the most politically active in the country, spending $70 million on politics and lobbying in 2017 and 2018. Nearly all of the union's political action committee spending went to Democrats during the midterm cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
NEA's 2019 adopted New Business Items (NBIs) reveal what savvy teachers have known for decades: state and national teachers' unions are essentially the political action committee of the Far-Left,"
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5. the 20-minute video being shown in American classrooms entitled The
Story of Stuff; a catchy title to appeal to grade school kids. This piece of anti-capitalist propaganda was
put together by Greenpeace member Annie Leonard.
6. NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
“TEN YEARS. We have ten years to save the planet,” Mayor Bill de Blasio cautioned in a tweet. “Today’s leaders are making decisions for our environment that our kids will have to live with. New York City stands with our young people. They’re our conscience. We support the 9/20 #ClimateStrike.”
Legions of adolescent activists across the globe are expected to demand immediate action to combat climate change in advance of a major UN conference on the issue next week.
As long as mom and dad sanction their principled truancy, absent kids won’t have attendance records dinged, the DOE said.
The September 20th event will feature Sweden’s “Climate Crisis” sweetheart, 16-year old Greta Thunberg.
Teen activist and Swedish sensation Greta Thunberg, who recently docked her zero-emissions sailboat in New York, will speak at the event which will snake its way through lower Manhattan to Battery Park.
Kids with parental permission to attend will be granted excused absences from school, Education Department officials tweeted Thursday.
The infamous “Green New Deal” will be promoted as well.
The New York City climate strike is backed by more than 100 environmental and political activist groups and other institutions, including New York Communities for Change, The New School and the Sierra Club.
The protesters’ demands include a “Green New Deal” that would end fossil fuel extraction and move the nation onto entirely renewable energy sources by 2030. Green New Deal policies have been backed by the likes of U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Personally, if I were one of the kids, I might argue about going to school at all. After all, if the Earth only has 10 more years before we are going to die, wouldn’t it be better to spend the time having fun or spending quality time with family?
On the other hand, if the New York City school officials were really invested in solving the climate crisis, wouldn’t they emphasize science and math? Perhaps keeping the kids in school and having them conduct experiments or perform calculations would inspire an interest in real climate science.
One theory that seems to prove true and is certainly consistent with what is happening with the New York City schools: When global problems are emphasized by locals, serious local matters are being ignored.
Case in point: New York state test results for third- through eighth-grade public school students are out, and the results are underwhelming.
Statewide, more than half the kids flunked yet again: Just 45.4% were deemed proficient in reading and 46.7% in math. In the city, 47.4% passed the reading test, while 45.6% got by in math.
Think the problem’s skimpy funding? Sorry: In 2017, the Empire Center’s E.J. McMahon reported in May, New York shelled out 89% more per kid than the national average. And that gap has been growing fast: In 1997, per-pupil outlays here were just 45% above average.
…In the city Thursday, Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza tried to spin the results positively. The pass rate in English, they noted, is up 0.7 percentage points — and three whole points in math.
“Growth counts for something,” Carranza insisted.
Huh? That paltry uptick is what they’re proud of? Even though more than half the kids bombed? Please.
Notably, kids in the one category of public schools de Blasio and Carranza (and their union pals) don’t run — i.e., the charters — beat their counterparts in the regular schools by more than 10 percentage points in both English and math.
At least the kids won’t be flying private jets to attend the event. That makes them substantially less hypocritical than the celebrities who will be indoctrinating them during the Manhattan event.
NYC schools allow kids to go on #ClimateStrike
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In the vid, teacher’s union with the Socialist iron fist banner…
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…Pollyanna takes leftist activism to new heights, fabricating an image of a racist America that children are taught to rebel against.
By Grade 8,after nine years of acute indoctrination, the children are ready to fight on behalf of leftists in America. "tudents will set commitments for rectifying current social ills, such as learning and planning how to carry out anti-racist activism and/or social advocacy in their communities and/or to improve their everyday lives." The 8th Grade chapter is entitled "Racism as a Primary 'Institution' of the U.S. – How We May Combat Systemic Inequality." EXCLUSIVE: Leftist Activism Is A Requirement Of New Elementary School Curriculum
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What gods are central to this religion you say is being taught in public school?
The great god, government.
Children are taught to worship Gaia, mother earth.......on the day of Lenin's birthday.
Gee I guess I missed that class because I am no fan of the fucking government either but you are.
Funny how the atheist (me) is critical of all government while the believer( you) is a fan of government.
Seems to me you are a little confused about who is actually indoctrinated here
No vulgarity.
Fuck fuck fuck
Yeah, it looks you were not privileged enough to be sent to Parochial school.
Yes, the education was better than public schools.
I even kept the same book from 7th grade and used it in public school 9th grade.
The book? American Civics. Check it out sometime.
Publisher? Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich.
Yes, there is a God that created this world, and you denying this doesn't make it not so.
And you believing doesn't mean it is so
Reason and experience say otherwise.
there is no reason to believe in anything without empirical proof
There’s plenty of empirical evidence. It is literally all around you.
But putting that aside 90% of everything we know was accepted on authority of others. We didn't actually do the work or see the evidence. We took it on the word of others. Anyone who would scoff at accepting knowledge on the authority of others would have to go around knowing next to nothing their whole life.
With that said we shouldn’t blindly accept knowledge on the authority of others either. We should make some effort to see if what they claim makes sense.
We in all our arrogance think we understand the universe when in reality 95% of it is an utter mystery
But the mere fact that we do not understand something is in no way proof that a supreme being is responsible for it
My dog will never understand fractions because her brain has real physical limitations.
I believe that the human brain also has limitations and that we very well may be incapable of understanding the universe.
I have always found more than interesting that the biblical order of the creation of the universe is the very same that modern science has come around to proposing.
1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.
a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
2. Modern science has largely revealed the earth’s history with respect to the land and the seas. Coincidently, the first chapter of the Bible relates a formation, a creation narrative, strangely similar to scientific understanding.
a. Genesis 1: 6-10…”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dryland appear: and it was so. And God called the dry landEarth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.
b. “The formation of the sea as well as the land is chosen as the second stage in the creation on the Bible’s first page. Modern science reveals that land and sea certainly were in place before the next stage in the scientific account of the history of the universe.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p.54. What a coincidence….or confluence.
Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….
3. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative? Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.
a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
b. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth
4. Track the events in the creation account of Genesis and it’s amazing how closely the events conform to the current view of modern science. An explosion- the universe – oceans/land - plants- …And next, in verse 20, we find: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Kind of unusual…since the author of Genesis, and, if we are to believe that the first one to speak those words, Moses, didn’t really live in a habitat that one might call ‘sea side.’
Would have been understandable if this space in the Bible had, instead, have focused on the numbers of land mammals, birds, or insects found in ancient Israel, wouldn’t it? But, instead, marine organisms are specifically named: ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,…’
Wouldn’t it be interesting if science find lots and lots of marine organisms extant at this point? Imagine if Genesis actually parallels the history of life on earth as expounded by science. Be a heck of a coincidence.
a. A truly important development took place some 521 million years ago, in the geological period known as the Cambrian. “The most abundant and diverse animals of Cambrian time were the trilobites. Trilobites had long antennae, compound eyes, many jointed legs, and a hard exoskeleton like many of their modern arthropod relatives, such as lobsters, crabs, and insects. The Cambrian is sometimes called the "Age of Trilobites"…” Redirect
b. No earlier fossils were found during Darwin’s lifetime: “If the theory [evolution] be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited ... the world swarmed with living creatures. [Yet] to the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these earliest periods. . . I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable.” http://www.paleosoc.org/Oldest_Fossil.pdf
....life at this stage, about 500 million years ago, was entirely marine.
How could the Genesis writer have gotten this right?
That writer…he’s landlocked, knows little of diversity….what are the odds that ‘chance’ is the answer?
What are the odds?
5. The sequence of events from the creation of the universe, to the present, begin with great explosion that produces the universe, including the earth. The earth cools enough for oceans to form. The first life is plant life, able to photosynthesize, and add oxygen to the atmosphere. All sorts of simple non-plants fill the seas, most wormlike, with soft bodies. Along come the trilobites, hugely advanced, with hard bodies…and most amazingly, with true eyes! This makes them the primary predators….but, imposes enormous evolutionary pressure on the other organisms. The result is the Cambrian explosion, lots of small organisms with defensive armor and hard exoskeletons, some 521 million years ago. So says modern science.
a. “…Genesis shows remarkable accuracy when compared to the scientific story of life’s evolutionary journey. Here, the Genesis writer envisioned great creatures evolving from those tiny Cambrian forms, eventually making their way out of the sea….Genesis seems to have picked out all the events of the highest order of importance, and put them in the right order….I don’t know the odds against such a parallel- against making a successful guess at the scientific orthodoxy of three thousand year into the future from a knowledge base of nothing- but they must be extraordinarily long.” Parker, Op. Cit., p.163-164.
b. An interesting sidelight is the ‘evolution of the Bible’ itself. Christians have incorporated a great deal of science’s process. Early in the 20th century, the Scofield Reference Bible was published. This was a new version of the King James Bible with which added a note to Genesis, suggesting what is called the “gap theory.’ It allows that millions of years could have passed between God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, thereby freeing Genesis from the literal six-day process. “What it left was a series- the same series- of timeless events; and it is these that match the scientific account of life’s history.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p. 160.
6. Unavoidable is the recognition that, once the restrictions due to the ‘six-day’ view are removed, the order of events established by modern science conform to the sequence in the first chapter of Genesis, written millennia earlier: light from an explosion (the Big Bang), universe/earth formed, the seas from the cooling earth, plants as the first life forms; abundant sea life (the Cambrian explosion), the (evolution) of the flora and fauna we see today. Neat, eh?
Lucky guess by the author of the creation account of Genesis?
7. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.
The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.
Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!
The alternative explanation is divine intervention.
Both are merely theories that are unproven
....but taught in government school as though there were facts.
I have never seen the big bang be called fact.
It is the best theory we have based on our observations.
But then consider the fact that we have only observed about 5% of the matter and energy that comprises the universe you have to admit that the big bang even if it is the theory that best reflects our observations is not adequate.
Unlike some, I see no need to attribute the origins of the universe to a god simply because we as human beings may be incapable of every understanding the process.
It’s a little more than that. It’s energy being created from nothing according to the laws of nature which means they were in place before space and time and those laws predestined intelligence to arise. In effect the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It’s not an accident.
It is exactly that.
We do not understand 95% of the matter and energy that comprise the universe.
it is my belief we may never be able to understand it.
Saying a god made everything because we don't know the answer is a cop out.
And so what if your life was an accident? That makes it even more precious because it's the only one you will ever get
As the fables of 'science' have been so regularly exposed, yet you continue to parrot them, one is left to conclude that it is cowardice that motivates you.
You fear confronting the absurdities of the Left, their attempts to obviate any belief in God.
That's 'God' with a capital 'G,' not your pagan versions.
A glaring example is the fake scientists answer to the creation in Genesis.....
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
There is prominent scientist, Lawrence Krauss, "... an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...known as an advocate of the public understanding of science, ...and works to reduce the impact of superstition and religious dogma in pop culture. He is also the author of several bestselling books, includingThe Physics of Star Trek and A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krauss has said "we all, literally, emerged from quantum nothingness..."
Clearly an attempt to avoid the central question of where did the universe come from. Where are the quantum rules that imply a universe that must appear out of the void? Can any come up with a few examples where something has come from nothing?
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And, from reviews of Krauss' book, " A Universe From Nothing,"...
"....at the end of the book he he has given up trying to explain his hypothesis. Throughout the book he admits that Something can come from Nothing only if there is Something inherent in the Nothingness.
...Krauss claims that "in quantum gravity, universes can, and indeed always will, spontaneously appear from nothing" This is yet again another fabrication,....
Krauss mixes opinion with pseudo-science to fool his cult that the universe popped into existence from nowhere with no cause (the epitome pseudo-science, anti-science and religious belief)."
Of course, the ancient Greek, Parmenides, was correct: nihil fit ex nihilo... "out of nothing, nothing [be]comes."
The fake science dunces are willing to accept anything...even things that obviate all of real science.
And you buy it like it was on sale.
Saying we may never know the origins of the universe is hardly buying the big bang theory.
I have never said the big bang was fact. If you think I have then quote it.
But unlike you I don't need a universal fudge factor like a god to explain things I don't and may never understand
Read more carefully, you dope.
This 'scientist' is claiming that the universe appeared from NOTHING......no material, no energy......from nothing.
It is simply one more attempt to keep the hard of thinking.....you.....in line and away from any acceptance of religion.
Some of them actually admit it.
“We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs,” the geneticist Richard Lewontin remarked equably in The New York Review of Books, “in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories.” We are to put up with science’s unsubstantiated just-so stories because, Lewontin explains, “we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door!”
And , Fuckstick, I never said that the big bang was fact. Just because a person might not know everything in no way means that everything they know or understand is suspect.
In reality the person who tells everyone they know everything is the one who is suspect.
Like people who just know there is a god and an afterlife and that they will be lovingly taken to their god's bosom because they are worthy
And again....as soon as trash like you has been destroyed, you default to vulgarity.
Get lost.
So you can call me a dope but I can't call you Fuckstick? I even capitalized it for you.
And who is the one who resorted to name calling first?
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It reminds me of people who live for the afterlife and never live the life they have to the fullest
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