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Trust me. Many of us spoke of this very thing when in Alanon meetings. However, Mr Gracie didn't run from anything, nor is he weak in the sense you are referring to. Addiction is a tough tough thing. And those who love the ones addicted is just as tough.There are no alcoholics, just weak people. Nobody HAS to drink. If you can't handle it, don't drink. It's a disease that will leave you alone if you leave it alone. Most alcoholics I've known are all alike. Life gets a little tough and they crawl inside a bottle so they don't have to deal with it. Their problem isn't alcohol, their problem is running away, then when everyone around them whose lives they ruined finally kick them to the curb, they blame the substance they CHOSE to abuse as the source of their misery.
Alcohol treatment programs vary in their approach but the bottom line in all of them is WILL POWER, the one thing that is always missing in alcoholics and that's not genetics. The fact is that they are not only weak but they're also selfish and inconsiderate in that they allow their lack of self respect and self control to become everyone else's problem We don't do them any favors by blaming their weakness on genetic deficiencies or by saying "they can't help themselves".
Mostly out of boredom. I don't drink much in public any more. I never got angry when I was drunk (still don't- except here LOL).
I do have some hilarious stories though.
My brother once asked why I drink. "Because you're happy? Because you're sad? To celebrate? To forget?".
My reply: Yes.
Plus, it helps me go to sleep.
Want to hear some funny stories?
Sorry if this pisses you off but you sound like an enabler. Why should he exercise any will power when he has you to defend his drunkenness? You say he's not weak but yet he isn't strong enough to say "NO", and that is the only way anyone can overcome an addiction. The question is, does he not love you enough to do that, or do you make it easy for him to say "yes" by calling it a disease?Trust me. Many of us spoke of this very thing when in Alanon meetings. However, Mr Gracie didn't run from anything, nor is he weak in the sense you are referring to. Addiction is a tough tough thing. And those who love the ones addicted is just as tough.There are no alcoholics, just weak people. Nobody HAS to drink. If you can't handle it, don't drink. It's a disease that will leave you alone if you leave it alone. Most alcoholics I've known are all alike. Life gets a little tough and they crawl inside a bottle so they don't have to deal with it. Their problem isn't alcohol, their problem is running away, then when everyone around them whose lives they ruined finally kick them to the curb, they blame the substance they CHOSE to abuse as the source of their misery.
Alcohol treatment programs vary in their approach but the bottom line in all of them is WILL POWER, the one thing that is always missing in alcoholics and that's not genetics. The fact is that they are not only weak but they're also selfish and inconsiderate in that they allow their lack of self respect and self control to become everyone else's problem We don't do them any favors by blaming their weakness on genetic deficiencies or by saying "they can't help themselves".
This thread is not to laugh at them or call them names or make them feel bad. This thread is to understand what makes them pick up a bottle.
I'm not pissed off. You just don't understand. Kinda like I never understood it either until I started Alanon. Yes, I enabled him. I also left him and divorced him. But, I went back. And remarried him. I also refuse to call it a disease. Plenty at Alanon AND AA thought I was cruel for stating it out loud. I said the very same things you just posted. Needless to say, I stopped going because I refused to enable the enablers.Sorry if this pisses you off but you sound like an enabler. Why should he exercise any will power when he has you to defend his drunkenness? You say he's not weak but yet he isn't strong enough to say "NO", and that is the only way anyone can overcome an addiction. The question is, does he not love you enough to do that, or do you make it easy for him to say "yes" by calling it a disease?Trust me. Many of us spoke of this very thing when in Alanon meetings. However, Mr Gracie didn't run from anything, nor is he weak in the sense you are referring to. Addiction is a tough tough thing. And those who love the ones addicted is just as tough.There are no alcoholics, just weak people. Nobody HAS to drink. If you can't handle it, don't drink. It's a disease that will leave you alone if you leave it alone. Most alcoholics I've known are all alike. Life gets a little tough and they crawl inside a bottle so they don't have to deal with it. Their problem isn't alcohol, their problem is running away, then when everyone around them whose lives they ruined finally kick them to the curb, they blame the substance they CHOSE to abuse as the source of their misery.
Alcohol treatment programs vary in their approach but the bottom line in all of them is WILL POWER, the one thing that is always missing in alcoholics and that's not genetics. The fact is that they are not only weak but they're also selfish and inconsiderate in that they allow their lack of self respect and self control to become everyone else's problem We don't do them any favors by blaming their weakness on genetic deficiencies or by saying "they can't help themselves".
This thread is not to laugh at them or call them names or make them feel bad. This thread is to understand what makes them pick up a bottle.
I apologize, Gracie. I forgot you had said he was sober now. If he has gone that long he deserves a pat on the back and you do too. What matters is that he has stopped, no matter what it took to achieve it.I'm not pissed off. You just don't understand. Kinda like I never understood it either until I started Alanon. Yes, I enabled him. I also left him and divorced him. But, I went back. And remarried him. I also refuse to call it a disease. Plenty at Alanon AND AA thought I was cruel for stating it out loud. I said the very same things you just posted. Needless to say, I stopped going because I refused to enable the enablers.Sorry if this pisses you off but you sound like an enabler. Why should he exercise any will power when he has you to defend his drunkenness? You say he's not weak but yet he isn't strong enough to say "NO", and that is the only way anyone can overcome an addiction. The question is, does he not love you enough to do that, or do you make it easy for him to say "yes" by calling it a disease?Trust me. Many of us spoke of this very thing when in Alanon meetings. However, Mr Gracie didn't run from anything, nor is he weak in the sense you are referring to. Addiction is a tough tough thing. And those who love the ones addicted is just as tough.There are no alcoholics, just weak people. Nobody HAS to drink. If you can't handle it, don't drink. It's a disease that will leave you alone if you leave it alone. Most alcoholics I've known are all alike. Life gets a little tough and they crawl inside a bottle so they don't have to deal with it. Their problem isn't alcohol, their problem is running away, then when everyone around them whose lives they ruined finally kick them to the curb, they blame the substance they CHOSE to abuse as the source of their misery.
Alcohol treatment programs vary in their approach but the bottom line in all of them is WILL POWER, the one thing that is always missing in alcoholics and that's not genetics. The fact is that they are not only weak but they're also selfish and inconsiderate in that they allow their lack of self respect and self control to become everyone else's problem We don't do them any favors by blaming their weakness on genetic deficiencies or by saying "they can't help themselves".
This thread is not to laugh at them or call them names or make them feel bad. This thread is to understand what makes them pick up a bottle.
Anyway..that is personal and I won't discuss it. Especially on a message board.
As I previously stated...he is 7 years sober. Maybe 8. I don't keep track because I don't give a rats fuck any more. That is what his addiction did. Just one little part of a much bigger part. Which is private. He knows if he ever picks that Best Friend bottle back up again..I'm outta here. He won't, though. He misses his cigs more than he does the bottle.
I apologize, Gracie. I forgot you had said he was sober now. If he has gone that long he deserves a pat on the back and you do too. What matters is that he has stopped, no matter what it took to achieve it.I'm not pissed off. You just don't understand. Kinda like I never understood it either until I started Alanon. Yes, I enabled him. I also left him and divorced him. But, I went back. And remarried him. I also refuse to call it a disease. Plenty at Alanon AND AA thought I was cruel for stating it out loud. I said the very same things you just posted. Needless to say, I stopped going because I refused to enable the enablers.Sorry if this pisses you off but you sound like an enabler. Why should he exercise any will power when he has you to defend his drunkenness? You say he's not weak but yet he isn't strong enough to say "NO", and that is the only way anyone can overcome an addiction. The question is, does he not love you enough to do that, or do you make it easy for him to say "yes" by calling it a disease?Trust me. Many of us spoke of this very thing when in Alanon meetings. However, Mr Gracie didn't run from anything, nor is he weak in the sense you are referring to. Addiction is a tough tough thing. And those who love the ones addicted is just as tough.There are no alcoholics, just weak people. Nobody HAS to drink. If you can't handle it, don't drink. It's a disease that will leave you alone if you leave it alone. Most alcoholics I've known are all alike. Life gets a little tough and they crawl inside a bottle so they don't have to deal with it. Their problem isn't alcohol, their problem is running away, then when everyone around them whose lives they ruined finally kick them to the curb, they blame the substance they CHOSE to abuse as the source of their misery.
Alcohol treatment programs vary in their approach but the bottom line in all of them is WILL POWER, the one thing that is always missing in alcoholics and that's not genetics. The fact is that they are not only weak but they're also selfish and inconsiderate in that they allow their lack of self respect and self control to become everyone else's problem We don't do them any favors by blaming their weakness on genetic deficiencies or by saying "they can't help themselves".
This thread is not to laugh at them or call them names or make them feel bad. This thread is to understand what makes them pick up a bottle.
Anyway..that is personal and I won't discuss it. Especially on a message board.
As I previously stated...he is 7 years sober. Maybe 8. I don't keep track because I don't give a rats fuck any more. That is what his addiction did. Just one little part of a much bigger part. Which is private. He knows if he ever picks that Best Friend bottle back up again..I'm outta here. He won't, though. He misses his cigs more than he does the bottle.
Gotta agree with ya. "What is shared here, stays here" is a bunch of hogwash. They gossiped about everyone and everything that they heard. I went to an AA meeting with a friend of mine who was struggling. She should have gone to NA but she didn't like it so instead went to AA. One guy sat there with his arms folded surrounded by his cronies and claimed he was 20 years sober. Me, not having a very good filter and married to a guy still drinking which made me not very nice, asked him "then why the fuck are you still here? To get cake? To feel like you are something special? 20 fucking years and all you do is gossip about others instead of sponsoring them or helping the newbs here to GET sober themselves for just a day/week/month?"Sorry, but Alcoholism is not a disease, it's a habit. Is smoking cigarettes a disease? How about overeating? Why stop there? What about spitting? None of these things are diseases, they are simply bad behavior/habits. They were learned, they can be unlearned.
As for AA- it's worse than a fucking cult......
All it takes is Willpower to overcome the addiction to alcohol. Obviously... some people have stronger Willpower than others.
My willpower SUCKS at nicotine. I'm a strong person when it comes to other stuff...but cigs? Oy. I keep failing. I guess I don't want it bad enough. Gotta, to be able to do it.All it takes is Willpower to overcome the addiction to alcohol. Obviously... some people have stronger Willpower than others.
My willpower SUCKS at nicotine. I'm a strong person when it comes to other stuff...but cigs? Oy. I keep failing. I guess I don't want it bad enough. Gotta, to be able to do it.All it takes is Willpower to overcome the addiction to alcohol. Obviously... some people have stronger Willpower than others.
Here's one... I was a Cub Scout Den Leader back in the mid-80's. We held our meetings on Sundays to accommodate a Jewish kid's Sabbath (we even ordered our pizzas with hamburger instead of sausage). I had the damnedest hangover and thought about calling the parents and cancelling. But I marshaled on...Why not. I am to embarrassed to bring up my 37 year relationship with booze...Mostly out of boredom. I don't drink much in public any more. I never got angry when I was drunk (still don't- except here LOL).
I do have some hilarious stories though.
My brother once asked why I drink. "Because you're happy? Because you're sad? To celebrate? To forget?".
My reply: Yes.
Plus, it helps me go to sleep.
Want to hear some funny stories?
Halfway through our meeting I told the kids that I had to go to the bathroom. I went upstairs, puked my guts out, then went back to the meeting like nothing happened. I must have reaked like booze and vomit.
My willpower SUCKS at nicotine. I'm a strong person when it comes to other stuff...but cigs? Oy. I keep failing. I guess I don't want it bad enough. Gotta, to be able to do it.All it takes is Willpower to overcome the addiction to alcohol. Obviously... some people have stronger Willpower than others.
Thanks sweetie for posting it. 
Here's one... I was a Cub Scout Den Leader back in the mid-80's. We held our meetings on Sundays to accommodate a Jewish kid's Sabbath (we even ordered our pizzas with hamburger instead of sausage). I had the damnedest hangover and thought about calling the parents and cancelling. But I marshaled on...Why not. I am to embarrassed to bring up my 37 year relationship with booze...Mostly out of boredom. I don't drink much in public any more. I never got angry when I was drunk (still don't- except here LOL).
I do have some hilarious stories though.
My brother once asked why I drink. "Because you're happy? Because you're sad? To celebrate? To forget?".
My reply: Yes.
Plus, it helps me go to sleep.
Want to hear some funny stories?
Halfway through our meeting I told the kids that I had to go to the bathroom. I went upstairs, puked my guts out, then went back to the meeting like nothing happened. I must have reaked like booze and vomit.
These posts break my heart. Don't see anything funny in any of this.
Sorry, but Alcoholism is not a disease, it's a habit. Is smoking cigarettes a disease? How about overeating? Why stop there? What about spitting? None of these things are diseases, they are simply bad behavior/habits. They were learned, they can be unlearned.
As for AA- it's worse than a fucking cult......
BS. If you smoke three cigarettes a day you won't get addicted. Or have three drinks. People get addicted when they overdo it and alcohol is highly addictive. It can literally kill you to stop cold turkey.Nicotine IS physically addictive. Alcohol, for most people, is not.
As far as cigs go, some people are incapable of controlling it. I can smoke one cig a day for decades, but others can't do that.BS. If you smoke three cigarettes a day you won't get addicted. Or have three drinks. People get addicted when they overdo it and alcohol is highly addictive. It can literally kill you to stop cold turkey.Nicotine IS physically addictive. Alcohol, for most people, is not.
