Almost half of Americans work in low paid jobs

That's it. Her bedroom was always decorated with fish. She loved fish since a little girl, particularly dolphins.

They tell us the happiest people are those who like to do things as a hobby, and then find a way to make money at it. If you love what you do for a living, you never worked a day in your life.

Good theories to live by, however not applicable for most people. I used to love to play guitar, but so did 10 million other Americans. I taught music when I was younger for many years, but not even close to being able to make a living at it. It was a good part-time job though.

Good thing I never tried. Today, kids get on YouTube and try to learn everything that way as a shortcut. Many don't pursue it after a while because unlike video games and cell phones, you have to put in physical work to play an instrument. It takes time and dedication, something many younger people don't have today.

Yeah, exactly. By all means if you love doing something, and you can make the hobby into a career.... I'm all for it. Both my parents drove me crazy when I was younger, because they kept telling me they loved what they did so much, that every day was like a "kid at a playground" (which is how my father described himself at his job).

But that never happened for me. You just have to do, what you have to do. That's life. You can't make money on dreams.

Many don't pursue it after a while because unlike video games and cell phones, you have to put in physical work to play an instrument. It takes time and dedication, something many younger people don't have today

And I don't know how to fix that. I don't even know if it can be fixed.
Is there any way to teach dedication?


Quite a number of people are making money off of playing video games now. ANd more would be, if YOUTUBE hadn't gone asshole.


No one saw that coming.

Come on.... let's be real for a minute. How many Engineering jobs are there? Over 2 Million, with three hundred postings on any given week?

How many people are making a good enough income off of video games, to make a living?

Yeah, there is a few. Yes if you go to South Korea, you can find professional gamers in pro leagues.

I get it.

But let's be real a minute... how many are there really? A hundred?

And yes, some of these guys can making $300,000 a year. For sure they can. But I would place video gaming to be on the same level as media entertainment.

It's just like being an actor or actress in Hollywood. There are 5,000 B-rate actors, sitting around doing crappy $400 movies that only 100 people ever see, working as a waiter or doing odd jobs to avoid starving to death.... for every single hit actor.

These guys have managed to make a living by playing video games

And honestly the people that succeed, often have a tough life. It's not all games and giggles. Its hundreds of hours of stress and labor.

LOL, and then try to get a house loan with your income being a video game player. Good luck with that one.

Well if some of those guys are making $100,000 a year, you can just save and buy a house. Getting a decent house, isn't hard if you have the income. Yeah, it will be difficult to get a loan, but loans are just ways to give the bank money anyway.

I think that's kind of like saying you are a professional gambler. Banks not only look at income, they also look at potential future income as well. Granted, anybody can fall to illness, loss of job, or whatever, but relying on playing video games I would think be a concern of any underwriter. Banks themselves don't make the decision anymore. Underwriters do.
 
Yeah, exactly. By all means if you love doing something, and you can make the hobby into a career.... I'm all for it. Both my parents drove me crazy when I was younger, because they kept telling me they loved what they did so much, that every day was like a "kid at a playground" (which is how my father described himself at his job).

But that never happened for me. You just have to do, what you have to do. That's life. You can't make money on dreams.

Many don't pursue it after a while because unlike video games and cell phones, you have to put in physical work to play an instrument. It takes time and dedication, something many younger people don't have today

And I don't know how to fix that. I don't even know if it can be fixed.
Is there any way to teach dedication?


Quite a number of people are making money off of playing video games now. ANd more would be, if YOUTUBE hadn't gone asshole.


No one saw that coming.

Come on.... let's be real for a minute. How many Engineering jobs are there? Over 2 Million, with three hundred postings on any given week?

How many people are making a good enough income off of video games, to make a living?

Yeah, there is a few. Yes if you go to South Korea, you can find professional gamers in pro leagues.

I get it.

But let's be real a minute... how many are there really? A hundred?

And yes, some of these guys can making $300,000 a year. For sure they can. But I would place video gaming to be on the same level as media entertainment.

It's just like being an actor or actress in Hollywood. There are 5,000 B-rate actors, sitting around doing crappy $400 movies that only 100 people ever see, working as a waiter or doing odd jobs to avoid starving to death.... for every single hit actor.

These guys have managed to make a living by playing video games

And honestly the people that succeed, often have a tough life. It's not all games and giggles. Its hundreds of hours of stress and labor.

LOL, and then try to get a house loan with your income being a video game player. Good luck with that one.

Well if some of those guys are making $100,000 a year, you can just save and buy a house. Getting a decent house, isn't hard if you have the income. Yeah, it will be difficult to get a loan, but loans are just ways to give the bank money anyway.

I think that's kind of like saying you are a professional gambler. Banks not only look at income, they also look at potential future income as well. Granted, anybody can fall to illness, loss of job, or whatever, but relying on playing video games I would think be a concern of any underwriter. Banks themselves don't make the decision anymore. Underwriters do.

Well yes, I wouldn't go to any chain bank, looking for a loan in that situation.

I would go to a local bank, or a credit union, or some place where they do manual underwriting.

Interesting side note to that.... which I never knew until just this year. There is a reason why none of the banks themselves make those decisions anymore.

Fannie and Freddie, were requiring that banks use underwriters that follow Fannie and Freddie system of underwriting. As a result local branches of say Bank of America, that used to do their own underwriting, no longer do so. Apparently Fannie and Freddie offered favorable rates to banks that used their own system of underwriting. This was 90s to 2000s.

Anyway, if you go to a smaller bank that does manual underwriting, and show a history of income longer than a few years, you should in theory, be able to get a loan.
 
Just sayin'. For my favorite Progressive Trolls.

Income Mobility
Walter E. Williams
Bradley Prize Winner 2017
Professor of Economics.
Department of Economics
George Mason University

[...]
The Nov. 13 Wall Street Journal editorial “Movin’ On Up” reports on a recent U.S. Treasury study of income tax returns from 1996 and 2005. The study tracks what happened to tax filers 25 years of age and up during this 10-year period. Controlling for inflation, nearly 58 percent of the poorest income group in 1996 moved to a higher income group by 2005. Twenty-six percent of them achieved middle or upper-middle class income, and over 5 percent made it into the highest income group.
[...]
What about claims of a disappearing middle class? Let’s do some detective work.

Controlling for inflation, in 1967, 8 percent of households had an annual income of $75,000 and up; in 2003, more than 26 percent did. In 1967, 17 percent of households had a $50,000 to $75,000 income; in 2003, it was 18 percent. In 1967, 22 percent of households were in the $35,000 to $50,000 income group; by 2003, it had fallen to 15 percent. During the same period, the $15,000 to $35,000 category fell from 31 percent to 25 percent, and the under $15,000 category fell from 21 percent to 16 percent. The only reasonable conclusion from this evidence is that if the middle class is disappearing, it’s doing so by swelling the ranks of the upper classes.
[...]
Income Mobility
 
Quite a number of people are making money off of playing video games now. ANd more would be, if YOUTUBE hadn't gone asshole.


No one saw that coming.

Come on.... let's be real for a minute. How many Engineering jobs are there? Over 2 Million, with three hundred postings on any given week?

How many people are making a good enough income off of video games, to make a living?

Yeah, there is a few. Yes if you go to South Korea, you can find professional gamers in pro leagues.

I get it.

But let's be real a minute... how many are there really? A hundred?

And yes, some of these guys can making $300,000 a year. For sure they can. But I would place video gaming to be on the same level as media entertainment.

It's just like being an actor or actress in Hollywood. There are 5,000 B-rate actors, sitting around doing crappy $400 movies that only 100 people ever see, working as a waiter or doing odd jobs to avoid starving to death.... for every single hit actor.

These guys have managed to make a living by playing video games

And honestly the people that succeed, often have a tough life. It's not all games and giggles. Its hundreds of hours of stress and labor.

LOL, and then try to get a house loan with your income being a video game player. Good luck with that one.

Well if some of those guys are making $100,000 a year, you can just save and buy a house. Getting a decent house, isn't hard if you have the income. Yeah, it will be difficult to get a loan, but loans are just ways to give the bank money anyway.

I think that's kind of like saying you are a professional gambler. Banks not only look at income, they also look at potential future income as well. Granted, anybody can fall to illness, loss of job, or whatever, but relying on playing video games I would think be a concern of any underwriter. Banks themselves don't make the decision anymore. Underwriters do.

Well yes, I wouldn't go to any chain bank, looking for a loan in that situation.

I would go to a local bank, or a credit union, or some place where they do manual underwriting.

Interesting side note to that.... which I never knew until just this year. There is a reason why none of the banks themselves make those decisions anymore.

Fannie and Freddie, were requiring that banks use underwriters that follow Fannie and Freddie system of underwriting. As a result local branches of say Bank of America, that used to do their own underwriting, no longer do so. Apparently Fannie and Freddie offered favorable rates to banks that used their own system of underwriting. This was 90s to 2000s.

Anyway, if you go to a smaller bank that does manual underwriting, and show a history of income longer than a few years, you should in theory, be able to get a loan.

I applied at Huntington Bank for a home equity loan. The reason I did was because my bank, New York Community, refused to renew mine. It was there that I learned of the underwriters. The loan specialist stated he himself would gladly open an account for me, because even though the property was slightly under water, the rental income gave him confidence that it would be a low-risk loan. PNC did the same. They wanted to make the loan, but the underwriters wouldn't let them.

I just assumed that was the new standard, which I think is bad for the banks. But I was under pressure because NY Community wanted the loan paid off, and there was nobody that I could transfer the loan to.

It turned out to be a blessing in disguise though. I paid off my equity loan with a 0% interest credit card which saved me thousands of dollars in the next few years, and because Huntington Bank gave me a free appraisal, I used that appraisal to get my property taxes cut in half, which saved me thousands in the next few years, and I'm still saving thousands a year today.
 
Come on.... let's be real for a minute. How many Engineering jobs are there? Over 2 Million, with three hundred postings on any given week?

How many people are making a good enough income off of video games, to make a living?

Yeah, there is a few. Yes if you go to South Korea, you can find professional gamers in pro leagues.

I get it.

But let's be real a minute... how many are there really? A hundred?

And yes, some of these guys can making $300,000 a year. For sure they can. But I would place video gaming to be on the same level as media entertainment.

It's just like being an actor or actress in Hollywood. There are 5,000 B-rate actors, sitting around doing crappy $400 movies that only 100 people ever see, working as a waiter or doing odd jobs to avoid starving to death.... for every single hit actor.

These guys have managed to make a living by playing video games

And honestly the people that succeed, often have a tough life. It's not all games and giggles. Its hundreds of hours of stress and labor.

LOL, and then try to get a house loan with your income being a video game player. Good luck with that one.

Well if some of those guys are making $100,000 a year, you can just save and buy a house. Getting a decent house, isn't hard if you have the income. Yeah, it will be difficult to get a loan, but loans are just ways to give the bank money anyway.

I think that's kind of like saying you are a professional gambler. Banks not only look at income, they also look at potential future income as well. Granted, anybody can fall to illness, loss of job, or whatever, but relying on playing video games I would think be a concern of any underwriter. Banks themselves don't make the decision anymore. Underwriters do.

Well yes, I wouldn't go to any chain bank, looking for a loan in that situation.

I would go to a local bank, or a credit union, or some place where they do manual underwriting.

Interesting side note to that.... which I never knew until just this year. There is a reason why none of the banks themselves make those decisions anymore.

Fannie and Freddie, were requiring that banks use underwriters that follow Fannie and Freddie system of underwriting. As a result local branches of say Bank of America, that used to do their own underwriting, no longer do so. Apparently Fannie and Freddie offered favorable rates to banks that used their own system of underwriting. This was 90s to 2000s.

Anyway, if you go to a smaller bank that does manual underwriting, and show a history of income longer than a few years, you should in theory, be able to get a loan.

I applied at Huntington Bank for a home equity loan. The reason I did was because my bank, New York Community, refused to renew mine. It was there that I learned of the underwriters. The loan specialist stated he himself would gladly open an account for me, because even though the property was slightly under water, the rental income gave him confidence that it would be a low-risk loan. PNC did the same. They wanted to make the loan, but the underwriters wouldn't let them.

I just assumed that was the new standard, which I think is bad for the banks. But I was under pressure because NY Community wanted the loan paid off, and there was nobody that I could transfer the loan to.

It turned out to be a blessing in disguise though. I paid off my equity loan with a 0% interest credit card which saved me thousands of dollars in the next few years, and because Huntington Bank gave me a free appraisal, I used that appraisal to get my property taxes cut in half, which saved me thousands in the next few years, and I'm still saving thousands a year today.

Back in the day...(the late 70s +) the actual loan officer had a major say in the loan approval. S & Ls and many banks were locally owned. They kept many loans in their own portfolios. Each subsequent banking crisis removed more and more local control.

Today the loan officer might just as well be a keyboard and all loans are sold before you leave the closing to either Fannie or Freddie.

I think we were better off in the past.
 
I'm a truck driver {...snip...} I was going to retire in 2.5 years anyway. But I may end up on disability before then which is just fine by me.
Okay, full disclosure time. I'm a retired truck driver. Retired due to disability severe enough to make continuing suicide, but not enough to qualify for disability according to the state anytime soon. Very common amongst farmers and freight drivers. Just ask Rick Smith. With only 2.5 years to go.. quit if necessary but don't pursue disability. That would just be shooting yourself in the foot because it pays a fraction of your potential SS permanently. Keep your last fews years of reported income high as possible because that's what your SS is based upon. Work under the table as you can for a while and stop destroying yourself for the man. When your body goes you've done enough.

Well I would need an income of some kind, and a little old for heavy physical work along with my conditions. The only other thing I could do is start drawing from my IRA and try to survive another 2.5 years until I reach 62 years old, and then go on SS. But the way my IRA is going now, I'd hate to do that. I have to start withdrawing at 70 years old, and I'll probably be dead by then, but at least my nephew and niece will get it and payoff their houses or whatever they want to do with it.

I've been driving so long I don't know what else I could do. Many employers don't want to hire anybody at my age because they won't be there long, and don't want the higher premium rate for medical coverage. They would rather hire a much younger person. Saves them on medical insurance, and they could work a lot faster than I can.
Actually, it sounds like you were born in '59 so can't get full SS until age 66 and 10 months. Thanks, whoever! So if all you have to do is drive, sure, keep going if you can.. I worked with a guy who was 74 and still going strong delivering and picking up local freight. He'd inherited a huge farm and so was a multimillionaire but just loved the idea of coming to work each day, making some young father who actually needed the money suffer on the sidelines. Several others reached their pension year goal, retired,.. and died within six months. Guess the moral there is best make sure you can have a healthy home life before deciding to stay home.

Anyways, yeah, having no real pension, sounds like your best bet is taking SS at 62 which may amount to little better than taking disability. You're old enough to get disability without much of a fight. Otherwise, if you get hurt, don't move, have someone call an ambulance, go to the hospital, hire a lawyer, collect WC,.. perhaps your employer will buy you out within a year and you can relax.
 
I'm a truck driver {...snip...} I was going to retire in 2.5 years anyway. But I may end up on disability before then which is just fine by me.
Okay, full disclosure time. I'm a retired truck driver. Retired due to disability severe enough to make continuing suicide, but not enough to qualify for disability according to the state anytime soon. Very common amongst farmers and freight drivers. Just ask Rick Smith. With only 2.5 years to go.. quit if necessary but don't pursue disability. That would just be shooting yourself in the foot because it pays a fraction of your potential SS permanently. Keep your last fews years of reported income high as possible because that's what your SS is based upon. Work under the table as you can for a while and stop destroying yourself for the man. When your body goes you've done enough.

Well I would need an income of some kind, and a little old for heavy physical work along with my conditions. The only other thing I could do is start drawing from my IRA and try to survive another 2.5 years until I reach 62 years old, and then go on SS. But the way my IRA is going now, I'd hate to do that. I have to start withdrawing at 70 years old, and I'll probably be dead by then, but at least my nephew and niece will get it and payoff their houses or whatever they want to do with it.

I've been driving so long I don't know what else I could do. Many employers don't want to hire anybody at my age because they won't be there long, and don't want the higher premium rate for medical coverage. They would rather hire a much younger person. Saves them on medical insurance, and they could work a lot faster than I can.
Actually, it sounds like you were born in '59 so can't get full SS until age 66 and 10 months. Thanks, whoever! So if all you have to do is drive, sure, keep going if you can.. I worked with a guy who was 74 and still going strong delivering and picking up local freight. He'd inherited a huge farm and so was a multimillionaire but just loved the idea of coming to work each day, making some young father who actually needed the money suffer on the sidelines. Several others reached their pension year goal, retired,.. and died within six months. Guess the moral there is best make sure you can have a healthy home life before deciding to stay home.

Anyways, yeah, having no real pension, sounds like your best bet is taking SS at 62 which may amount to little better than taking disability. You're old enough to get disability without much of a fight. Otherwise, if you get hurt, don't move, have someone call an ambulance, go to the hospital, hire a lawyer, collect WC,.. perhaps your employer will buy you out within a year and you can relax.

I have no problem with working, it's just the bureaucrats make it harder each time I go to renew my medical certificate, which in my case, is every year.

The most frustrating thing is, even though I have disabilities, I'm still much safer than these immigrants who come here and don't know how to drive. Many of the container and moving company drivers are all immigrants. Not only can they not read our English signs, but they can't even back a trailer into a dock if a football field was in front of them.

From experience, I know they never took a CDL test in the US. Yet the government is trying to take me off the road instead of them. At this point, I'm just so aggravated with our government I'm ready to give up. I have no moving violations on my license. I have no CSA 2010 points against me. Never been in cited for an accident, and avoided so many. But that doesn't matter to the government.

So now I say F-it. If they don't want me to work, I'm sick of fighting them to work. Let them support me if that's what they want to do. Physically, I could probably drive until I was 70, but I can't if they won't let me. Let these Fn foreigners take over. And when one of these bureaucrats gets wiped out on the road with their family, somebody will do something to keep good drivers like myself on the road instead of them.
 
Shows how hollow the Trump economy is

Almost half of Americans work in low-wage jobs

America's unemployment rate is at a half-century low, but it also has a job-quality problem that affects nearly half the population, with a study finding 44% of U.S. workers are employed in low-wage jobs that pay median annual wages of $18,000.

Contrary to popular opinion, these workers aren't teenagers or young adults just starting their careers,

So it's Trump's fault they don't have enough ambition to better themselves?

Wahhhh!
Half of Americans huh? Okay so let’s pretend they did “better themselves” - who would be left behind to do those jobs they abandoned?

Republicans are too stupid for words.
 
I have no problem with working, it's just the bureaucrats make it harder each time I go to renew my medical certificate, which in my case, is every year.
It was the weird eye test required for CDL renewal every few years that always worried me. They don't do it anymore so I just ditched the hazmat and am still carrying the rest. The medical certificate was never a problem. The company always found a local doctor to bribe with the guarantee of steady business. The annual checkups were a joke.
 
A lot of You dupes believe a lot of garbage. I'll go with the experts and our government and the census bureau etcetera etcetera. You go with the garbage propaganda and racist Hysteria.... Pass the Democratic bill with ID card and end this ridiculous wedge issue scam... You can use it for your imaginary illegals voting problem too...
The government will be the last to know how many illegals there are

If you recall trump tried to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census but was blocked by the democrats and chief justice roberts

That would not answer the illegal question

but shows now little the government does know

AND it shows that the lack of knowing, is done on purpose, to hide the scale of the problem from the voters.

To prevent US from having the information we need to make an informed decision on the issue.


This alone makes the policies they managed to implement, illegitimate.
Yes yes, all our experts and government officials and journalists and law enforcement know nothing, only your bought off high school grad ex cokehead DJ idiot pundits know the truth. And racists who are obsessed with this crap. OoPS brainwashed functional racists. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card and end this scam GOP wedge issue. In the entire world only the 5% brainwashed functional morons of the GOP know the truth LOL. Idiot. Oops brainwashed functional idiot.

Yet, you can't explain why your side is the one that is actively preventing getting hard numbers on the problem.


Your sides's actions support my case, while all you have is a lot of "RACISM" and similar personal attacks.


So, fuck you.
seriously I don't give a damn either way. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card that works everywhere else and end this incredibly stupid GOP scam for the dupes that has been going on forever. Then we can get a handle on the problem and stop more from coming unless they deserve to.
AND it shows that the lack of knowing, is done on purpose, to hide the scale of the problem from the voters.

To prevent US from having the information we need to make an informed decision on the issue.


This alone makes the policies they managed to implement, illegitimate.
Yes yes, all our experts and government officials and journalists and law enforcement know nothing, only your bought off high school grad ex cokehead DJ idiot pundits know the truth. And racists who are obsessed with this crap. OoPS brainwashed functional racists. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card and end this scam GOP wedge issue. In the entire world only the 5% brainwashed functional morons of the GOP know the truth LOL. Idiot. Oops brainwashed functional idiot.

Yet, you can't explain why your side is the one that is actively preventing getting hard numbers on the problem.


Your sides's actions support my case, while all you have is a lot of "RACISM" and similar personal attacks.


So, fuck you.
of course the entire world tells you it's about 12 million illegals here but you refuse to listen, BRAINWASHED functional moron. You will never get anything like the real story from your media. I caramba!
Sorry but you are the one who is brainwashed

Liberals cling to the lower number for the sake of amnesty that they are pushing for

and they know average Americans would be shocked if they knew the truth
I don't give a damn what the number is, fix the problem with an ID card and a comprehensive immigration Bill like the Democrats want. Fix it get it? Jesus....
An ID card is not a cure all

Libs have no stomach for deporting illegal aliens

Or stopping them at the border

So they will continue to come as long as the door is open
 
AND it shows that the lack of knowing, is done on purpose, to hide the scale of the problem from the voters.

To prevent US from having the information we need to make an informed decision on the issue.


This alone makes the policies they managed to implement, illegitimate.
Yes yes, all our experts and government officials and journalists and law enforcement know nothing, only your bought off high school grad ex cokehead DJ idiot pundits know the truth. And racists who are obsessed with this crap. OoPS brainwashed functional racists. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card and end this scam GOP wedge issue. In the entire world only the 5% brainwashed functional morons of the GOP know the truth LOL. Idiot. Oops brainwashed functional idiot.

Yet, you can't explain why your side is the one that is actively preventing getting hard numbers on the problem.


Your sides's actions support my case, while all you have is a lot of "RACISM" and similar personal attacks.


So, fuck you.
seriously I don't give a damn either way. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card that works everywhere else and end this incredibly stupid GOP scam for the dupes that has been going on forever. Then we can get a handle on the problem and stop more from coming unless they deserve to.
Yet, you can't explain why your side is the one that is actively preventing getting hard numbers on the problem.


Your sides's actions support my case, while all you have is a lot of "RACISM" and similar personal attacks.


So, fuck you.
of course the entire world tells you it's about 12 million illegals here but you refuse to listen, BRAINWASHED functional moron. You will never get anything like the real story from your media. I caramba!
Sorry but you are the one who is brainwashed

Liberals cling to the lower number for the sake of amnesty that they are pushing for

and they know average Americans would be shocked if they knew the truth
I don't give a damn what the number is, fix the problem with an ID card and a comprehensive immigration Bill like the Democrats want. Fix it get it? Jesus....


Their presence flooding the labor market is the problem. Letting them stay is not fixing it. D;uh,
You are never going to get 12 million or whatever hard-working immigrants who pay taxes and own homes out of the country. Totally inhumane.the GOP gave them an invitation to come here and work. You are a dupe- they don't give a damn. Pass the goddamn ID card dumbass. Cut the stupid wall and unconstitutional un American harassment laws that do nothing.
They are not all hardworking

Many are criminals, drunk drivers, wife beaters and worse with Dreamer children collecting welfare

You will want to point out that many are honest and hardworking

But not enough to justify the bad apples
 
AND it shows that the lack of knowing, is done on purpose, to hide the scale of the problem from the voters.

To prevent US from having the information we need to make an informed decision on the issue.


This alone makes the policies they managed to implement, illegitimate.
Yes yes, all our experts and government officials and journalists and law enforcement know nothing, only your bought off high school grad ex cokehead DJ idiot pundits know the truth. And racists who are obsessed with this crap. OoPS brainwashed functional racists. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card and end this scam GOP wedge issue. In the entire world only the 5% brainwashed functional morons of the GOP know the truth LOL. Idiot. Oops brainwashed functional idiot.

Yet, you can't explain why your side is the one that is actively preventing getting hard numbers on the problem.


Your sides's actions support my case, while all you have is a lot of "RACISM" and similar personal attacks.


So, fuck you.
seriously I don't give a damn either way. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card that works everywhere else and end this incredibly stupid GOP scam for the dupes that has been going on forever. Then we can get a handle on the problem and stop more from coming unless they deserve to.
Yet, you can't explain why your side is the one that is actively preventing getting hard numbers on the problem.


Your sides's actions support my case, while all you have is a lot of "RACISM" and similar personal attacks.


So, fuck you.
of course the entire world tells you it's about 12 million illegals here but you refuse to listen, BRAINWASHED functional moron. You will never get anything like the real story from your media. I caramba!
Sorry but you are the one who is brainwashed

Liberals cling to the lower number for the sake of amnesty that they are pushing for

and they know average Americans would be shocked if they knew the truth
I don't give a damn what the number is, fix the problem with an ID card and a comprehensive immigration Bill like the Democrats want. Fix it get it? Jesus....


Their presence flooding the labor market is the problem. Letting them stay is not fixing it. D;uh,
You are never going to get 12 million or whatever hard-working immigrants who pay taxes and own homes out of the country. Totally inhumane.the GOP gave them an invitation to come here and work. You are a dupe- they don't give a damn. Pass the goddamn ID card dumbass. Cut the stupid wall and unconstitutional un American harassment laws that do nothing.



1. I note that you did not address my point, that their presence here, flooding the labor market, IS the problem. You dodged that, because you know that it is true, and you are wiling to fuck the workers of this country.


2. Sure we can deport them. It will take time, but every one we deport will be good for the nation as a whole, and the more we do, the better it will be, on and on till we are finally done.


3. The "gop" did not give them an invitation, and even if it did, it does not have the right to do that. We AMERICANS, have the right to decide who we invite to be part of our country, and we did not invite them. THey need to go home.


4. The Wall will obviously work. YOu know it. YOur allies know it. That is why they get so upset when we even talk about it. If it was not a threat to them, they would not be pissed off.

5. There is nothing unconstitutional about asking for id, and deporting those without it.
 
Finished my Masters in 2014.


How long before that, did you get your bachelors?

A while.


1. Today, they are all about forcing you to take extra bullshit classes.

2. And even if it is as easy as you recall, A. Good for you, and B. does not help the vast majority that need at least 4 years.

1. Still the same number of credit hours is needed, that has not changed.

Well maybe... but the problem is still BS classes.

When I was in college, I was taking course on computer programming. Part of my required classes was to take personal finance, which taught practically nothing about personal finance, and I had a choice of executive management communication, which was baffling to me, or I could have taken advance analytical analysis.

None of those courses did anything for me at all, and I don't remember a single thing from any of them.

Even back then (because I'd been working full time for 4 years by the time I was in this course), I was thinking I could personally teach my own course simply called "Polite Communication 101 (how not to get fired at a job)" and teach more useful stuff, than the crap spewed in these course.

In fact, I could have possibly even taught the personal finance course myself, and done a better job.

The bottom line is, most of the required extra courses are garbage, and useless.

And by the way, we found out why.

Now this is from 2002 or so. What the teachers themselves told us, was that it was a matter of Union politics. The teachers unions wanted to make sure that various other departments had classes that were required for degrees they didn't apply to, specifically to guarantee teacher jobs.

Meaning, if you have 90% of your incoming students going into engineering, you as a English teacher are in trouble. So you just make a "communications" class required for an engineering degree, and voila! You have job security.

This is exactly what they told us happened.


Thank you for adding some real life first hand data into the discussion.
 
Believe it or not, we had to talk her out of her real dream which was to become a marine biologist. When we finally convinced her that there was no work in that field, and she could see fish at Sea World, she refocused towards medical, which one would think there would be a world of opportunities. Didn't work out that way.

Ugh... So I think that really is it. That people are just going "I like starfish!" and making life choices on how they feel, instead of... I don't know... what jobs are actually out there?

That's it. Her bedroom was always decorated with fish. She loved fish since a little girl, particularly dolphins.

They tell us the happiest people are those who like to do things as a hobby, and then find a way to make money at it. If you love what you do for a living, you never worked a day in your life.

Good theories to live by, however not applicable for most people. I used to love to play guitar, but so did 10 million other Americans. I taught music when I was younger for many years, but not even close to being able to make a living at it. It was a good part-time job though.

Good thing I never tried. Today, kids get on YouTube and try to learn everything that way as a shortcut. Many don't pursue it after a while because unlike video games and cell phones, you have to put in physical work to play an instrument. It takes time and dedication, something many younger people don't have today.

Yeah, exactly. By all means if you love doing something, and you can make the hobby into a career.... I'm all for it. Both my parents drove me crazy when I was younger, because they kept telling me they loved what they did so much, that every day was like a "kid at a playground" (which is how my father described himself at his job).

But that never happened for me. You just have to do, what you have to do. That's life. You can't make money on dreams.

Many don't pursue it after a while because unlike video games and cell phones, you have to put in physical work to play an instrument. It takes time and dedication, something many younger people don't have today

And I don't know how to fix that. I don't even know if it can be fixed.
Is there any way to teach dedication?


Quite a number of people are making money off of playing video games now. ANd more would be, if YOUTUBE hadn't gone asshole.


No one saw that coming.

Come on.... let's be real for a minute. How many Engineering jobs are there? Over 2 Million, with three hundred postings on any given week?

How many people are making a good enough income off of video games, to make a living?

Yeah, there is a few. Yes if you go to South Korea, you can find professional gamers in pro leagues.

I get it.

But let's be real a minute... how many are there really? A hundred?

And yes, some of these guys can making $300,000 a year. For sure they can. But I would place video gaming to be on the same level as media entertainment.

It's just like being an actor or actress in Hollywood. There are 5,000 B-rate actors, sitting around doing crappy $400 movies that only 100 people ever see, working as a waiter or doing odd jobs to avoid starving to death.... for every single hit actor.

These guys have managed to make a living by playing video games

And honestly the people that succeed, often have a tough life. It's not all games and giggles. Its hundreds of hours of stress and labor.


True. But just making the point, it is not all that easy to predict what the job market will be, in 5 to ten years.
 
Yes yes, all our experts and government officials and journalists and law enforcement know nothing, only your bought off high school grad ex cokehead DJ idiot pundits know the truth. And racists who are obsessed with this crap. OoPS brainwashed functional racists. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card and end this scam GOP wedge issue. In the entire world only the 5% brainwashed functional morons of the GOP know the truth LOL. Idiot. Oops brainwashed functional idiot.

Yet, you can't explain why your side is the one that is actively preventing getting hard numbers on the problem.


Your sides's actions support my case, while all you have is a lot of "RACISM" and similar personal attacks.


So, fuck you.
seriously I don't give a damn either way. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card that works everywhere else and end this incredibly stupid GOP scam for the dupes that has been going on forever. Then we can get a handle on the problem and stop more from coming unless they deserve to.
of course the entire world tells you it's about 12 million illegals here but you refuse to listen, BRAINWASHED functional moron. You will never get anything like the real story from your media. I caramba!
Sorry but you are the one who is brainwashed

Liberals cling to the lower number for the sake of amnesty that they are pushing for

and they know average Americans would be shocked if they knew the truth
I don't give a damn what the number is, fix the problem with an ID card and a comprehensive immigration Bill like the Democrats want. Fix it get it? Jesus....


Their presence flooding the labor market is the problem. Letting them stay is not fixing it. D;uh,
You are never going to get 12 million or whatever hard-working immigrants who pay taxes and own homes out of the country. Totally inhumane.the GOP gave them an invitation to come here and work. You are a dupe- they don't give a damn. Pass the goddamn ID card dumbass. Cut the stupid wall and unconstitutional un American harassment laws that do nothing.



1. I note that you did not address my point, that their presence here, flooding the labor market, IS the problem. You dodged that, because you know that it is true, and you are wiling to fuck the workers of this country.


2. Sure we can deport them. It will take time, but every one we deport will be good for the nation as a whole, and the more we do, the better it will be, on and on till we are finally done.


3. The "gop" did not give them an invitation, and even if it did, it does not have the right to do that. We AMERICANS, have the right to decide who we invite to be part of our country, and we did not invite them. THey need to go home.


4. The Wall will obviously work. YOu know it. YOur allies know it. That is why they get so upset when we even talk about it. If it was not a threat to them, they would not be pissed off.

5. There is nothing unconstitutional about asking for id, and deporting those without it.

3. The "gop" did not give them an invitation, and even if it did, it does not have the right to do that. We AMERICANS, have the right to decide who we invite to be part of our country, and we did not invite them. THey need to go home.

That is a favorite talking point for liberals when their brain is on autopilot

Its based on the false assumption that every member of the Chamber of Commerce is a republican
 
1. All I know is I have heard a lot about people getting fucked, with last minute "need more classes" or "that credit doesn't count now, for bullshit reason".


2. And even if you are an incredible scholar, with a brain that would make Spock himself raise an eyebrow, so what? It does not mean that the people getting fucked, deserve it.

1. It is their fault for not paying attention to their classes. When you start your degree you are given the exact requirements. They cannot change them once you start. Most of the time these things are a result of their own lack of attention to detail.

2. I am not. But I do work hard to accomplish my goals.


You seem to be looking for reasons to dismiss the trials and tribulations of people who are having trouble(s) in their lives.


Is that your intent, and if so, why?

Not at all, I just do not agree with your view that it takes more than 4 years for most people.


Respectfully, I think you are incorrect on these facts.


Bachelor's Degree: How Many Years Does It Take?



"According to a 2016 report by the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center, 37.5% of students in bachelor's degree programs at four-year public institutions earned their degrees in four years. In addition, 75.4% of students earned their bachelor's degrees in six or fewer years.

Of course, some students earn their bachelor's degrees in less time—as little as three years—whereas others earn theirs in more time—up to eight or more years."
 
Ugh... So I think that really is it. That people are just going "I like starfish!" and making life choices on how they feel, instead of... I don't know... what jobs are actually out there?

That's it. Her bedroom was always decorated with fish. She loved fish since a little girl, particularly dolphins.

They tell us the happiest people are those who like to do things as a hobby, and then find a way to make money at it. If you love what you do for a living, you never worked a day in your life.

Good theories to live by, however not applicable for most people. I used to love to play guitar, but so did 10 million other Americans. I taught music when I was younger for many years, but not even close to being able to make a living at it. It was a good part-time job though.

Good thing I never tried. Today, kids get on YouTube and try to learn everything that way as a shortcut. Many don't pursue it after a while because unlike video games and cell phones, you have to put in physical work to play an instrument. It takes time and dedication, something many younger people don't have today.

Yeah, exactly. By all means if you love doing something, and you can make the hobby into a career.... I'm all for it. Both my parents drove me crazy when I was younger, because they kept telling me they loved what they did so much, that every day was like a "kid at a playground" (which is how my father described himself at his job).

But that never happened for me. You just have to do, what you have to do. That's life. You can't make money on dreams.

Many don't pursue it after a while because unlike video games and cell phones, you have to put in physical work to play an instrument. It takes time and dedication, something many younger people don't have today

And I don't know how to fix that. I don't even know if it can be fixed.
Is there any way to teach dedication?


Quite a number of people are making money off of playing video games now. ANd more would be, if YOUTUBE hadn't gone asshole.


No one saw that coming.

Come on.... let's be real for a minute. How many Engineering jobs are there? Over 2 Million, with three hundred postings on any given week?

How many people are making a good enough income off of video games, to make a living?

Yeah, there is a few. Yes if you go to South Korea, you can find professional gamers in pro leagues.

I get it.

But let's be real a minute... how many are there really? A hundred?

And yes, some of these guys can making $300,000 a year. For sure they can. But I would place video gaming to be on the same level as media entertainment.

It's just like being an actor or actress in Hollywood. There are 5,000 B-rate actors, sitting around doing crappy $400 movies that only 100 people ever see, working as a waiter or doing odd jobs to avoid starving to death.... for every single hit actor.

These guys have managed to make a living by playing video games

And honestly the people that succeed, often have a tough life. It's not all games and giggles. Its hundreds of hours of stress and labor.


True. But just making the point, it is not all that easy to predict what the job market will be, in 5 to ten years.


I gave both my children the same basic advice...pick a field that will pay you well enough to do what you want to do and pick a field that cannot be easily automated.

My daughter ended up as nurse. She makes great money for a 24 year old and her job will never be replaced by a machine...at least not in her lifetime.

At 17 my son is undecided.

My wife is also a nurse so she is safe from automation and recession proof, as much as any job can be. Plus she now works for the VA, so that makes her job even more secure.

My job in analytics/informatics is safe from automation for the foreseeable future. There are amazing programs to help us sift data, but human intuition cannot be replicated yet.
 
The government will be the last to know how many illegals there are

If you recall trump tried to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census but was blocked by the democrats and chief justice roberts

That would not answer the illegal question

but shows now little the government does know

AND it shows that the lack of knowing, is done on purpose, to hide the scale of the problem from the voters.

To prevent US from having the information we need to make an informed decision on the issue.


This alone makes the policies they managed to implement, illegitimate.
Yes yes, all our experts and government officials and journalists and law enforcement know nothing, only your bought off high school grad ex cokehead DJ idiot pundits know the truth. And racists who are obsessed with this crap. OoPS brainwashed functional racists. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card and end this scam GOP wedge issue. In the entire world only the 5% brainwashed functional morons of the GOP know the truth LOL. Idiot. Oops brainwashed functional idiot.

Yet, you can't explain why your side is the one that is actively preventing getting hard numbers on the problem.


Your sides's actions support my case, while all you have is a lot of "RACISM" and similar personal attacks.


So, fuck you.
seriously I don't give a damn either way. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card that works everywhere else and end this incredibly stupid GOP scam for the dupes that has been going on forever. Then we can get a handle on the problem and stop more from coming unless they deserve to.
Yes yes, all our experts and government officials and journalists and law enforcement know nothing, only your bought off high school grad ex cokehead DJ idiot pundits know the truth. And racists who are obsessed with this crap. OoPS brainwashed functional racists. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card and end this scam GOP wedge issue. In the entire world only the 5% brainwashed functional morons of the GOP know the truth LOL. Idiot. Oops brainwashed functional idiot.

Yet, you can't explain why your side is the one that is actively preventing getting hard numbers on the problem.


Your sides's actions support my case, while all you have is a lot of "RACISM" and similar personal attacks.


So, fuck you.
of course the entire world tells you it's about 12 million illegals here but you refuse to listen, BRAINWASHED functional moron. You will never get anything like the real story from your media. I caramba!
Sorry but you are the one who is brainwashed

Liberals cling to the lower number for the sake of amnesty that they are pushing for

and they know average Americans would be shocked if they knew the truth
I don't give a damn what the number is, fix the problem with an ID card and a comprehensive immigration Bill like the Democrats want. Fix it get it? Jesus....
An ID card is not a cure all

Libs have no stomach for deporting illegal aliens

Or stopping them at the border

So they will continue to come as long as the door is open


And did you note how he accepts the wage suppression?
 
Yet, you can't explain why your side is the one that is actively preventing getting hard numbers on the problem.


Your sides's actions support my case, while all you have is a lot of "RACISM" and similar personal attacks.


So, fuck you.
seriously I don't give a damn either way. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card that works everywhere else and end this incredibly stupid GOP scam for the dupes that has been going on forever. Then we can get a handle on the problem and stop more from coming unless they deserve to.
Sorry but you are the one who is brainwashed

Liberals cling to the lower number for the sake of amnesty that they are pushing for

and they know average Americans would be shocked if they knew the truth
I don't give a damn what the number is, fix the problem with an ID card and a comprehensive immigration Bill like the Democrats want. Fix it get it? Jesus....


Their presence flooding the labor market is the problem. Letting them stay is not fixing it. D;uh,
You are never going to get 12 million or whatever hard-working immigrants who pay taxes and own homes out of the country. Totally inhumane.the GOP gave them an invitation to come here and work. You are a dupe- they don't give a damn. Pass the goddamn ID card dumbass. Cut the stupid wall and unconstitutional un American harassment laws that do nothing.



1. I note that you did not address my point, that their presence here, flooding the labor market, IS the problem. You dodged that, because you know that it is true, and you are wiling to fuck the workers of this country.


2. Sure we can deport them. It will take time, but every one we deport will be good for the nation as a whole, and the more we do, the better it will be, on and on till we are finally done.


3. The "gop" did not give them an invitation, and even if it did, it does not have the right to do that. We AMERICANS, have the right to decide who we invite to be part of our country, and we did not invite them. THey need to go home.


4. The Wall will obviously work. YOu know it. YOur allies know it. That is why they get so upset when we even talk about it. If it was not a threat to them, they would not be pissed off.

5. There is nothing unconstitutional about asking for id, and deporting those without it.

3. The "gop" did not give them an invitation, and even if it did, it does not have the right to do that. We AMERICANS, have the right to decide who we invite to be part of our country, and we did not invite them. THey need to go home.

That is a favorite talking point for liberals when their brain is on autopilot

Its based on the false assumption that every member of the Chamber of Commerce is a republican



ON some level, they understand that they have to lie to make their case.


Yet, they don't see the obvious implication of that. IE, that they are in the WRONG.
 
That's it. Her bedroom was always decorated with fish. She loved fish since a little girl, particularly dolphins.

They tell us the happiest people are those who like to do things as a hobby, and then find a way to make money at it. If you love what you do for a living, you never worked a day in your life.

Good theories to live by, however not applicable for most people. I used to love to play guitar, but so did 10 million other Americans. I taught music when I was younger for many years, but not even close to being able to make a living at it. It was a good part-time job though.

Good thing I never tried. Today, kids get on YouTube and try to learn everything that way as a shortcut. Many don't pursue it after a while because unlike video games and cell phones, you have to put in physical work to play an instrument. It takes time and dedication, something many younger people don't have today.

Yeah, exactly. By all means if you love doing something, and you can make the hobby into a career.... I'm all for it. Both my parents drove me crazy when I was younger, because they kept telling me they loved what they did so much, that every day was like a "kid at a playground" (which is how my father described himself at his job).

But that never happened for me. You just have to do, what you have to do. That's life. You can't make money on dreams.

Many don't pursue it after a while because unlike video games and cell phones, you have to put in physical work to play an instrument. It takes time and dedication, something many younger people don't have today

And I don't know how to fix that. I don't even know if it can be fixed.
Is there any way to teach dedication?


Quite a number of people are making money off of playing video games now. ANd more would be, if YOUTUBE hadn't gone asshole.


No one saw that coming.

Come on.... let's be real for a minute. How many Engineering jobs are there? Over 2 Million, with three hundred postings on any given week?

How many people are making a good enough income off of video games, to make a living?

Yeah, there is a few. Yes if you go to South Korea, you can find professional gamers in pro leagues.

I get it.

But let's be real a minute... how many are there really? A hundred?

And yes, some of these guys can making $300,000 a year. For sure they can. But I would place video gaming to be on the same level as media entertainment.

It's just like being an actor or actress in Hollywood. There are 5,000 B-rate actors, sitting around doing crappy $400 movies that only 100 people ever see, working as a waiter or doing odd jobs to avoid starving to death.... for every single hit actor.

These guys have managed to make a living by playing video games

And honestly the people that succeed, often have a tough life. It's not all games and giggles. Its hundreds of hours of stress and labor.


True. But just making the point, it is not all that easy to predict what the job market will be, in 5 to ten years.


I gave both my children the same basic advice...pick a field that will pay you well enough to do what you want to do and pick a field that cannot be easily automated.

My daughter ended up as nurse. She makes great money for a 24 year old and her job will never be replaced by a machine...at least not in her lifetime.

At 17 my son is undecided.

My wife is also a nurse so she is safe from automation and recession proof, as much as any job can be. Plus she now works for the VA, so that makes her job even more secure.

My job in analytics/informatics is safe from automation for the foreseeable future. There are amazing programs to help us sift data, but human intuition cannot be replicated yet.



Good for you. And them.


Some of my friends have children who are making their career choices now. It is not easy. And the stakes are very high.


I think we should have policies that make it easier for young Americans to succeed, instead of just dismissing them, and their interests.
 

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